Dual Core AMD Opteron. First screenshot!

[notoriousformula]

Dual Core Opteron Pricing

[STEvil]

pair of these dropped into a "cheap" dual 940 board would be very attractive....

[b0bd0le]

ooooooh GIMME!!! I WANT!

any word on prices?

are they really going to be $1600?

[Hallowed]

Awesome chip, but that price is a bit extreme.

Thanks for the sneak peek VVJ. Much appreciated.

[lv_88]

the prices looks way to high right now, hopefully they will drop a bit

[cpulloverclock]

Egypt, Italy, lol AMD is funny

[aoc007]

And Turion64 over IDF or whatever it was haha, they have a good sense of humor.

[sojouner]

wwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa cries the dual core p4 @ 2 x2.8 ghz and running @ 244 watts .

[Korpse]

11x200
htt link x5

HYPER THREADING - i thought only intel done this?

[VVJ]

Guys, I’ll try to post a new screenshot of the P-States tab this evening if I’ll be provided, of course. It’s seems the processor fully supports Cool’n‘Quiet technology and even has some performance states.

[perkam]

But what about Opteron 175...just as there was the 150/152 opterons ???

Perkam

[[XC] leviathan18]

i saw in a post while ago that amd enable some instructions like the ones HT has just to take advantages in programs that uses HT right now so this chips will gain perfomance is that programs.

the cores have city names and country names...

[Ailleur]

i saw in a post while ago that amd enable some instructions like the ones HT has just to take advantages in programs that uses HT right now so this chips will gain perfomance is that programs.

the cores have city names and country names...

Righty-o

http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=870

[Quanticles]

Intel HT = HyperThreading, A method of splittings pipelines into seperate proccesses

AMD HT = HyperTransport, A physical communication link like PCI, SATA, etc, that connects processors together and processors to the chipset. Your 939 has an HT link between the processor and the chipset.

There will be a dual-core 939, that information is posted on AMD's website.

AMD uses a different type of manufacturing process that creates very low power, very low voltage components. I believe they develope it with IBM (partners).

AMD is reporting very high yields on their processors.

The pricing strategy is such that a dual core will be slightly cheaper than two single cores. This is to make as much money as possible (you want AMD to do that so they can afford more R&D). This strategy is being applied to the server/enterprise market (big companies). No home user is going to want to buy opterons anyway. There is no telling what the pricing strategy will be for 939.

939 should be out in a couple months, June I believe.

[Ailleur]

Intel HT = HyperThreading, A method of splittings pipelines into seperate proccesses

AMD HT = HyperTransport, A physical communication link like PCI, SATA, etc, that connects processors together and processors to the chipset. Your 939 has an HT link between the processor and the chipset.

There will be a dual-core 939, that information is posted on AMD's website.

AMD uses a different type of manufacturing process that creates very low power, very low voltage components. I believe they develope it with IBM (partners).

AMD is reporting very high yields on their processors.

The pricing strategy is such that a dual core will be slightly cheaper than two single cores. This is to make as much money as possible (you want AMD to do that so they can afford more R&D). This strategy is being applied to the server/enterprise market (big companies). No home user is going to want to buy opterons anyway. There is no telling what the pricing strategy will be for 939.

939 should be out in a couple months, June I believe.

The discussion wasnt about the meaning of HT across both company but was about amd enabling the hyperthreading bit on their cpu

Read http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=871

[drcrawn]

Intel is in so much trouble it's not even funny anymore I'm sold on Opteron more than ever now. And do I even need to mention that XS is fast becoming the place for first looks on just about everything. Love this place. Socket 940 power baby!
As for the voltage, I believe it. It's already been shown the Opty E4s run much cooler and use considerable less power. We are witnessing AMD come into a period of pure greatness and things just keep getting better.

[terrace215]

Intel is in so much trouble it's not even funny anymore I'm sold on Opteron more than ever now. And do I even need to mention that XS is fast becoming the place for first looks on just about everything. Love this place. Socket 940 power baby!
As for the voltage, I believe it. It's already been shown the Opty E4s run much cooler and use considerable less power. We are witnessing AMD come into a period of pure greatness and things just keep getting better.

It may be possible with DSL / a different transistor mix.

E4 Optis are nice, but they run at 1.35v/1.4v at top clock, like Venice and San Diego.

1.2v is just amazing.

MT-xx Turions might run at 1.2v as well, I suppose.

[terrace215]

Intel HT = HyperThreading, A method of splittings pipelines into seperate proccesses

AMD HT = HyperTransport, A physical communication link like PCI, SATA, etc, that connects processors together and processors to the chipset. Your 939 has an HT link between the processor and the chipset.

Yes, but in this case, the reference to HT is to hyperthreading support, which AMD's dual core parts will have. Just so that software that checks for HT will run properly, and take advantage of both cores.

This has been known for some time, announced last year by AMD, despite Samuel of x86-secret thinking he discovered something.

[cpuz]

Actually dual core Athlon/Opteron really report the Hyper-Threading flag as being set, and also 2 logical CPUs.
IMO this is just for software compatibility, even if the CPU does not support HT stricto senso.

[[XC] leviathan18]

Originally Posted by Quanticles
Intel HT = HyperThreading, A method of splittings pipelines into seperate proccesses

AMD HT = HyperTransport, A physical communication link like PCI, SATA, etc, that connects processors together and processors to the chipset. Your 939 has an HT link between the processor and the chipset.

There will be a dual-core 939, that information is posted on AMD's website.

AMD uses a different type of manufacturing process that creates very low power, very low voltage components. I believe they develope it with IBM (partners).

AMD is reporting very high yields on their processors.

The pricing strategy is such that a dual core will be slightly cheaper than two single cores. This is to make as much money as possible (you want AMD to do that so they can afford more R&D). This strategy is being applied to the server/enterprise market (big companies). No home user is going to want to buy opterons anyway. There is no telling what the pricing strategy will be for 939.

939 should be out in a couple months, June I believe.

you are right but in this chips amd did this:

Athlon 64 Simple Core - CPUID (EAX = 1)
Hex (EDX) : 0x078bfbff
Bin (EDX) : 0b00000111100010111111101111111111
Hex (EBX) : 0x00000800

Athlon 64 Dual Core - CPUID (EAX = 1)
Hex (EDX) : 0x178bfbff
Bin (EDX) : 0b00010111100010111111101111111111
Hex (EBX) : 0x00020800

The bit 28 in register EDX (which is emphasized in red here) corresponds to the support of HyperThreading. However, we can see clearly that this bit is now set to 1 whereas it was to 0 for a standard, Single Core, Athlon 64. In the same way, the bits [23:16] of register EBX, which indicate the number of logicals CPU supported on Intel CPUs with Hyperthreading enabled, are also set to "2" in the case of a DC Athlon 64.

So, It seems that AMD chose to activate the "HyperThreading" bit on those Athlon 64 Desktop CPUs in order to profit from optimizations already done by many programmers for HyperThreading technology. This will make possible for those upcoming Athlon 64 Dual Core to also benefit from work already carried out. For now, we do not know yet if the Dual Core Opterons will also have this bit active.

as i said before just to take advantage in the programs that have some optimizations with hyperthreading.....

[Quanticles]

I thought there was a question about Intel HT and AMD HT, I must have been mistaken.

There's no reason to not take advantage of HyperThreading optimizations using a dual-core scheme, that's what HyperThreading was supposed to represent. I'd imagine Intel is doing the same thing.

[perkam]

AMD HT = HyperTransport, A physical communication link like PCI, SATA, etc, that connects processors together and processors to the chipset. Your 939 has an HT link between the processor and the chipset.

Right...uh huh...so if HT was HyperTransporT bus, then can u pls educate us on what HTT would be

Perkam

[dippyskoodlez]

Right...uh huh...so if HT was HyperTransporT bus, then can u pls educate us on what HTT would be

Perkam

lol.

Gotta love comments like that

[Quanticles]

Alot of people call it HT, not HTT. Talk trash if you want.

[dippyskoodlez]

Alot of people call it HT, not HTT. Talk trash if you want.

Geez.. no need to get all angry :P

The CBID screenie says "hyperthreading" not HT.