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    Supermicro X9DAX-iF and Ivy Bridge xeons

    I did a complete review of this board earlier this year with the top E5-2687W 8 core 32nm Sandy Bridge cpu's.
    It is truly a beast. Rock solid stable with the SB xeons and overclockable on the BCLK to 106.25 with default voltage.
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...65#post5192765
    Now it's time to step that up a shade.
    I managed to get ahold of two pairs of the new 22nm Ivy Bridge cpu's:
    The 10 core mid range (2500/2900turbo) E5-2670 V2's and the top bin E5-2687W V2 8 cores.
    I wasn't able (sniffle-sniffle) to get my grubby mitts on the top E5-2697 V2 12 core chips as evidently Intel is demanding your first born child before they even loan a pair out.
    So lets take a short look at these bad boys and see what they are like in the real world.
    First you need a baseline to compare these two sets of chips to and for that I used my Sandy Bridge E5-2687W's.
    32nm, 3100/3400 on turbo and I was able to get it up to 3612MHz by bumping the BCLK to 106.25 which was the max I could get stable.
    Also keep in mind that throughout this we are talking what was the max I was able to attain with all three pairs of chips to try and give a apples to apples comparision.
    Now this wasn't a perfect comparision as the SB chips were a known daily used quantity for over a year while the new IB cpu's have been here a much shorter time using a beta bios to support them.
    I've had the 10 core IB chips for app 8 weeks and the top 8 core IB chips for app 2 weeks so again, not a perfect comparision but enough to give me and you a good feel for what they are like.

    I first stated out with the E5-2670 V2 IB chips.These are what I would call the "mid range" new 22nm IB 10 cores.
    2500/2900 on turbo on all cores.
    My first impressions are these are nice.
    They run a solid 12C cooler than the 8 core E5-2687W Sandy Bridge chips I had been using and on this board would do a 105BCLK and give you 3047Mhz
    on all cores loaded.
    40ivybridgethreads.jpg
    Electrical draw went from 420W with the SB xeons to 360W with these 10 cores.
    Now we get to computational power.
    These "mid range" 10 cores would almost dead equal the computational power of the previous generation Sandy Bridge 8 core cpu's in Cinebench 11.5( 27.07 vs 27.27)
    but when I ran them on my DC app WCG I saw an increase of 120,000PPD using the SB xeons to over 140,000PPD..
    Then I ran wPrime and saw what I expected.
    32m wasn't quite as fast as the higher speed SB 8 cores( 3047 vs 3612) but the extra cores now started to show the increased capability:
    SB numbers were 2.218s for 32m and 54.155s for 1024m
    IBwPrime.jpg
    My overall impression on these 10 cores were they performed excellent and when you add in the increased performance and the reduced electrical draw they are a good upgrade that will pay off long term.

    Now we get to the new top 8 core IB xeons: The E5-2687 V2's
    Rated at 3400/3600 on all cores on turbo.
    With some work I managed to get these up to 3871MHz using the 107BCLK setting in bios
    but unlike the Sandy Bridge xeons I had to add some voltage to get them stable above 101 BCLK.
    I found that an additional 300mv was the right number to add for these to get them stable.
    cpuz3871.jpg
    Now at this speed and the additional voltage I was expecting them to be very hot but they stayed in the mid to high 60C range at 100% load in a 75F room.
    Remember that the max I could get on the SB 8 cores at 3612MHz was 27.27? When I ran these at 3871MHz I got 29.85
    CB115.jpg
    Then I ran wPrime, best time yet on 1024m:
    wprimeIB2687W.jpg

    After working with the SB 8 cores for the last year and now these new IB chips and asking the question of "Which do i want to use for my daily driver?" I come away with the feeling that although the top E5-2687W V2 8 core IB chips
    have more speed and are a little faster in single threaded apps the 10 core E5-2670 V2's are the better overall choice.
    The reduced temps and the lighter electrical draw are the factors that make that decision an easy one to make.
    Then kick in that the 10 cores are almost $550.00 each cheaper than the top 8 cores from the pricing I saw at newegg.
    $1650 vs $2200 each..
    Now my one regret is that I didn't get a chance to test the new 12 core IB xeons.
    The top bin is called a E5-2697 V2 and rated at 2700/3000 on turbo all cores and that must be one impressive sucker at those speeds.
    Tried to get a pair but I couldn't find any.
    Maybe another day for those.
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    nice

    could you run Geekbench3 too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evantaur View Post
    nice

    could you run Geekbench3 too?
    I just bought geekbench 2 a few months ago and now they want more money for geekbench3.. Screw them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    I just bought geekbench 2 a few months ago and now they want more money for geekbench3.. Screw them!
    what if someone gifts you a license?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evantaur View Post
    what if someone gifts you a license?
    Well, ahh...I guess so??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Intel is demanding your first born child before they even loan a pair out.
    I'll read your full post because I take on-board your comments and opinions on things but I got as far as this and stopped.

    Dave, isn't your first-born old enough to use their charm & wit to escape and come back home? Meaning, Intel could demand your first-born for each new top-end release and you could hand them over, only for them to appear back at your door fresh-faced with a smirk a few days later?



    EDIT: ok, read it all. LOVING the lower power consumption. Very nice improvement!

    "These "mid range" 10 cores"


    LOL We don't live in a normal world, do we? Hell, even within "our" world i'm nowhere near being able to say with a straight face 10C/20T is mid-range. Whoa :p Guess that 4960X is entry-level
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    Not sure i totally follow anything you said, but regardless of that you helped me come up with a very good idea....
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    I was teasing on that line about the "first born" meaning those E5-2697 12 cores were VERY hard to find.
    Now as to calling a 10 core "mid range" I agree, it sounds funny to say it but when you compare the product line using a 10 core at a max to 2900MHz to a 12 core at 3000MHz iit is pretty much "mid range"
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    Oh, I know I mean it 50% seriously at best, it's all about context
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    Not sure i totally follow anything you said, but regardless of that you helped me come up with a very good idea....
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    you sigged that?

    why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by K404 View Post
    Oh, I know I mean it 50% seriously at best, it's all about context
    What I want is to get my hands on a pair with unlocked multi's but the chances of that happenning are about the same as me waking up and finding
    I'd hit the lottery!
    What I can say is that with either pair of these IB xeons in this SM board daily work is a joy.
    Instant response, no lag whatsoever and keep in mind that I always have WCG running which has all threads at 100% load.
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    Geekbench3 on the way (with win/linux/mac license)

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    I did a little tweaking yesterday and managed a decent Geekbench 2 run..
    Just made it into the top 10 overall and when you look at that those machines are MONSTER quad socket beasts with up to 96 cores it gives you an idea of just how much stones this "little" dualie has!

    http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/top

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    How about the highest multi core score ever submitted to Geekbench3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    I was teasing on that line about the "first born" meaning those E5-2697 12 cores were VERY hard to find.
    Now as to calling a 10 core "mid range" I agree, it sounds funny to say it but when you compare the product line using a 10 core at a max to 2900MHz to a 12 core at 3000MHz iit is pretty much "mid range"
    The E5-2697V2 is easy to find...Newegg, and everyone else has plenty...

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...25&Tpk=e5-2697

    Oh...if only the E5-2697V2 were unlocked...I'd have a box of five of them in my hands faster than you can blink...$14k worth of processors...yummy...
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    Thanks for the help (or lack thereof) in resolving my P3700 issue, FUGGER...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lutjens View Post
    The E5-2697V2 is easy to find...Newegg, and everyone else has plenty...

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...25&Tpk=e5-2697

    Oh...if only the E5-2697V2 were unlocked...I'd have a box of five of them in my hands faster than you can blink...$14k worth of processors...yummy...
    I hear you and I got an email last night and it's looking like maybe those E5-2697 V2's may just make an appearance at my house after all..
    Stay tuned..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    I hear you and I got an email last night and it's looking like maybe those E5-2697 V2's may just make an appearance at my house after all..
    Stay tuned..
    Sounds good...maybe you can give them a go in "the other board" as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutjens View Post
    Sounds good...maybe you can give them a go in "the other board" as well...
    They won't be here before that goes back..At least I don't think so..
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    Hmm... Maybe it's time to upgrade my 2687Ws...

    Anyone want to buy a pair for the price of one? Eh? Eh?

    Also, I'm surprised to find a thread about s2011 without Lutjens spitting fire at Intel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    How about the highest multi core score ever submitted to Geekbench3?

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    Hi Movieman,
    got my E5-2697v2's yesterday.

    You might be interested in some folding numbers vs. the E5-2687W
    http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1782201

    It is very tempting to get a hyperspeed mb for these as well

    cheers,
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    i wonder if these 10-12 core chips could be used for gaming, modern games should be able to use those cores but craplike coded engines like ArmaIII would run like

    just need justification to spend 5000e on a rig :P

    i'm like "I WANT TO!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas View Post
    Hi Movieman,
    got my E5-2697v2's yesterday.

    You might be interested in some folding numbers vs. the E5-2687W
    http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1782201

    It is very tempting to get a hyperspeed mb for these as well

    cheers,
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    Hello. You would love the SM X9DAX-iF board..
    Solid as a rock with the IB xeons at up to an indicated 107.55 BCLK and that is 3871MHz on all cores with the E5-2687W V2's..
    Read your posts and I admit I didn't think to turn off NUMA myself. Will give it a shot and see what happens.
    Thanks for the info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Hello. You would love the SM X9DAX-iF board..
    Solid as a rock with the IB xeons at up to an indicated 107.55 BCLK and that is 3871MHz on all cores with the E5-2687W V2's..
    Read your posts and I admit I didn't think to turn off NUMA myself. Will give it a shot and see what happens.
    Thanks for the info!
    Be careful and flexible with the NUMA setting.
    Its impact is dependent on the combination of
    a) the memory access pattern of the application
    b) the number of cores per socket
    c) the timing variations of the memory chips (I am not talking about CL settings but other properties of the ram chip design liek page size, rank, ...)

    Sometimes it improves performance, but be aware that it can also be the opposite.

    It will take probably many years until application software is written in a fully NUMA aware way (addressing memory affinity, thread affinity, interrupt affinity). Until then, legacy application software was built on the notion, that memory is one homogenous range, which it is not (on a NUMA system). Causing all sorts of inefficiencies as witnessed with a performance scaling well below factor 1 (1 = Doubling the amount of CPUs will double the performance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas View Post
    Hi Movieman,
    got my E5-2697v2's yesterday.

    You might be interested in some folding numbers vs. the E5-2687W
    http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1782201

    It is very tempting to get a hyperspeed mb for these as well

    cheers,
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    Thanks for the link. A 2P system doing 650k+

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
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    Your Ivy bridge system kicks a.. . What's next? Keep it up.
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