AMD Trinity news (looks, its near to launch?)

[FlanK3r]

think, very good price strategy! Im looking forward so much for A10-5800K!

[tbone8ty]

Trinity world records

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/09/...world.html?m=1

[FlanK3r]

Nice. I think, these results are not final. I thinking, there will be next 20% up in score - in future with overclockers.

[dr-]

And they seem to have officially launched:

http://www.techpowerup.com/172817/AM...ktop-APUs.html

[tbone8ty]

nice!

these are gonna be baller OC gpu to over 1ghz!

[tbone8ty]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/27/a...iew/#continued

sammy

[sutyi]

Basically with an A10 APU and a decent memory (DDR3-2000+) you can get quite good gaming performance. Not bad this.

[FlanK3r]

Some reviews of iGPU part of AMD Trinity
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...Preview/1.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/a...-review-part-1
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...400k,3224.html (this is old review from June)
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2043/1/ (good power consumption of APU)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/gra...-graphics.html (many gaming benchmarks!)
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-A...ce-and-Gaming/
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Process...rinity-Desktop
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trin...#ixzz27eY1Tr76

[ajaidev]

Some reviews of iGPU part of AMD Trinity
http://www.t.......................0...#ixzz27eY1Tr76

Was about to post the same thing :P

[FlanK3r]

looks not bad in iGPU performance, CPU will be similar I think-sometimes better Llano A8, sometimes A10. Its because Trinity is near to 2CM/4T than classic 4C/4T.

[informal]

I think it's not a smart move to limit the previews to iGPU tests only. We already know how CPU part performs from THG review that was made months ago. They even republished it today . Anyway,solid improvement over Llano's GPU and great OC capabilities.

[ajaidev]

Most of the reviews are iGPU centered not much CPU testing going on wonder if that will be covered in part 2... Oh well

[cold2010]

http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd...elease-of-info

[FlanK3r]

hard to say...I dont see problem in complete review, but together not problem in parts review.It does not bother me.

[imamage]

I love the Retail box , I wish I can grab one (A10-5700 / A10-5800K) right now

[ajaidev]

Humm its not all that great compared to the likes of 3870K i had expected more, the CPU part will tell the whole story. AMD forced me to buy the 3870K and i am not regretting it now since the GPU part is more or less equal to say an HD 7560D.

The second part is the size of 246mm2 "1.303B" which is just idiotic last year Raphial from AMD told me there is going to be better size utilization well this is just not what i had in my mind. Intel's mobile IVB with GT2 is around 121mm2 and this is around 246mm2 now Haswell is supposed to be around 190mm2 so i hope Trinity successor is more than just a shrink

[informal]

Intel's mobile IVB with GT2 is around 121mm2 and this is around 246mm2 now Haswell is supposed to be around 190mm2 so i hope Trinity successor is more than just a shrink

Successor to Trinity is known and it will have a new CPU core and new GPU core. And why is die size a concern to you? You should care for performance/power and price.Die size is irrelevant to end user. If AMD can make a profitable 600mm^2 die product that consumes 50W and performs awesome would you care? Note that this is practically impossible of course,I used it just as an example.

[Kuroimaho]

No CPU tests ? I can't find a single one, seems fishy...

Ooo I see now. http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd...elease-of-info

That explains everything.

[informal]

We have a review of 5800K already. THG did it few months ago. There you have all the CPU benchmark results you can think of.

[ajaidev]

Successor to Trinity is known and it will have a new CPU core and new GPU core. And why is die size a concern to you? You should care for performance/power and price.Die size is irrelevant to end user. If AMD can make a profitable 600mm^2 die product that consumes 50W and performs awesome would you care? Note that this is practically impossible of course,I used it just as an example.

It most likely will use Steamroller derivatives and maybe GCN for the GPU amm the GPU inside Trinity is not GCN right.

Streamroller - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6201/a...r-architecture



It seems more of a evolution over Piledriver. If you have access to Intel doc service check out tag's #971380128 and #979731102, Intel has a lot of guns pointed at APU segment with Haswell and Broadwell check yourself. Given the late arrival of Piledriver, Streamroller might be also delayed to the Q4 2013 that means it will be in the cross hair of not only Haswell "Q1 2013" but also Broadwell "Q1 2014".

AMD can do a lot with APU's add common cache access for one in the L3-L4 range but instead they are trying to give the FX series processors more than deserved attention. The APU space is something that is new for Intel and it will take time for them to get legs in that market, AMD should be fierce in this space which it is not. Exclusion of iGPU in the FX series is an oversight, i know you all will say TDP matters but the way Intel implements it TDP does not matter.

Larger silicons have huge negatives from turn out rate to leakage to signal interference, etc. 200mm for complicated chips is the not to exceed size rather it was in 45nm and with Intel. This does not mean they never exceeded this size but with 22nm this is bound to be lower or same but not excessive.

[haylui]

No CPU tests ? I can't find a single one, seems fishy...

Ooo I see now. http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd...elease-of-info

That explains everything.

this is preview not full review
those sites could do whatever after the product was launched.

[SKYMTL]

http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd...elease-of-info

Finally, someone telling it how it is. Props to Scott.

[Stukov]

Finally, someone telling it how it is. Props to Scott.

And if AMD simply wants to talk about GPU performance for a week before the inevitable PD vs BD discussion completely takes over (especially if they release Vishera benches at the same time)? Is this all that much different when Intel does an early preview and limits testing on something like power consumption? I guess I don't understand what the issue if if normally the full NDA lift date was Oct 2nd and AMD let some sites preview the GPU performance a week early?

[SKYMTL]

And if AMD simply wants to talk about GPU performance for a week before the inevitable PD vs BD discussion completely takes over (especially if they release Vishera benches at the same time)? Is this all that much different when Intel does an early preview and limits testing on something like power consumption? I guess I don't understand what the issue if if normally the full NDA lift date was Oct 2nd and AMD let some sites preview the GPU performance a week early?

In my years of testing AMD and Intel processors, I have yet to come across a situation like this from either camp. I've seen previews of AMD and NVIDIA GPUs but in every case, there has been a clear determination of the NUMBER of benchmarks allowed rather than cherry picking the ones which make a given architecture look the best.

As per Scott's post, this is about the way it was handled and other sites paying lip service by posting only certain benchmarks in order to make an architecture look better than it really is. This is about information filtering and control of the press. You can't forget that search results on Google, Bing, etc are largely influenced by date / time of posting and content. This means anyone looking for a Trinity article weeks or even months from now will stumble across these articles and have an overly positive representation of the architecture.

We have a very similar process in effect: we refuse to post a reviews at launch unless they can be absolutely, positively up to our readers' expectations. This lack of time is precisely why a Trinity desktop review won't be posted until sometime after launch and why we still don't have a GTX 650 review live. Unless we can completely be confident with the results, I'd rather loose traffic than post something that will steer readers in the wrong direction. I know for a fact that Scott adheres to the same set of ideals.

This isn't to say that Trinity isn't good, because I happen to love AMD's Fusion initiative. Trinity and the new APUs are great candidates for anyone that doesn't give a damn about simple CPU performance. However, there does come a time when pushing certain data ahead of other items doesn't sit well....and this is one of those times.

[informal]

Yeah,it's not a good move by AMD but it's done now. They could have just hold of until real launch but they wanted and early positive press coverage I guess.

As for CPU performance,we have known it for few months now. THG did a complete review of 5000K series back in June. They even compared it to i3 and 3870K in later article. There are no mysteries when it comes to x86 performance of Trinity.