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    The date was pushed back in case anyone didn't get the email.

    Good thing too, because I've only done synthetic benchmarks so far, still need to do some real world testing

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    Quote Originally Posted by sno.lcn View Post
    The date was pushed back in case anyone didn't get the email.

    Good thing too, because I've only done synthetic benchmarks so far, still need to do some real world testing
    Yes I wanted to get mine completed, I can add more. But with CES coming up real quick so time was short.

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    You can install 16Gb of DDR2 on one 9010, set the jumper to dual mode, and you will have 2x 8Gb "disks". When RAID0'd you will get the same capacity you have now (16Gb) but double the performance.
    If you get a 2nd unit, you repeat the same and end up with one 32Gb disk, comprised of 4x 8Gb drives in RAID0 and 700Mb/sec speed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chosen. View Post
    You can install 16Gb of DDR2 on one 9010, set the jumper to dual mode, and you will have 2x 8Gb "disks". When RAID0'd you will get the same capacity you have now (16Gb) but double the performance.
    If you get a 2nd unit, you repeat the same and end up with one 32Gb disk, comprised of 4x 8Gb drives in RAID0 and 700Mb/sec speed
    Thanks Chosen. I must have miss read that in the manual. I was in a big hurry doing a lot of stuff before CES, I will relook at that.

    Thanks again

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    Really? In RAID-0 performance on mine actually decreased quite a bit except for stuff where there is large, sequential I/O. Windows boot and such slowed down by average of ~2 seconds. Windows install also increased. Maybe it's my RAID controller. I might switch it over to my Areca ARC-1220 and see how it performs then instead of using SB750 RAID. Frankly speaking though, the results were as I expected with RAID-0 increasing task time for stuff where it's lots of little bits of I/O.
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    Ack. My unit half died last night, before I finished testing.

    I can get it partially working but I think I have to redo all the results to satisfy people. Not good :/
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    my review will be posted today in the xtreme reviews section. Time to get cracking on it. dammn procrastination .

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    Does anybody have a setup to compare and to create a review about ANS-9010 versus ANS-9010B in single and RAID mode? Would be interesting to see those two units competeing against each other. I have a freaky thought that the cheaper units in RAID mode would won - don't ask why. (Haven't touched by myself-not sold in EU yet )

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonNiger View Post
    Does anybody have a setup to compare and to create a review about ANS-9010 versus ANS-9010B in single and RAID mode? Would be interesting to see those two units competeing against each other. I have a freaky thought that the cheaper units in RAID mode would won - don't ask why. (Haven't touched by myself-not sold in EU yet )
    I think you would find performance to be identical, with only the maximum size of the disk varying (6 dimm slots vs 8). There's no difference in speed between having 1 and 8 sticks of ram in the 9010, so having 6 sticks in either system should be the same too.

    I doubt the models have any physically different components, so I am making that assumption in my answer.
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    Damn it I had more ram I'd enter but I only have 2 gigs and no review writing experience.

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    I've had the damnedest time getting consistent results. I have to reboot the damn machine to clear out the disk cache.
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    You seem to have problems running much of anything :p

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    Motherboards mainly. heh I've blown through my fair share of them, but I blame build quality. Most of my failures were MOSFET related. And I don't think you can blame the Catalyst problems I've been having on me either.
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    My review can be found at: http://forums.primelogic.com.au/inde...pic,758.0.html

    I decided I'd be special by posting elsewhere. Seems like I'm not the only one People can pm me here as well for questions or testing requests.

    It's a bit long. I felt it was justified. There's a lot to discuss

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    My idea was to use software raid to get it to show up as a single logical volume, then use vmware to effectively boot from the software raid and do real world tests within vmware ,but the performance hit isn't negligible. I'll have to do the tests with a real os.

    this will take another day, sorry.

    edit: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...80#post3618180
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    I'm quite disappointed by how many people didn't do the review... there are 4 links here, and we know Particle's is on the way.

    I really hope 5 people didn't take the unit and run. That's quite awful if true

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumballguy View Post
    I'm quite disappointed by how many people didn't do the review... there are 4 links here, and we know Particle's is on the way.

    I really hope 5 people didn't take the unit and run. That's quite awful if true
    http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=593841

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    I'm quite disappointed by how many reviewers (including TechReport) managed to get the same scores with the ANS-9010 in dual mode, as in single mode.
    I mean, come on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chosen. View Post
    I'm quite disappointed by how many reviewers (including TechReport) managed to get the same scores with the ANS-9010 in dual mode, as in single mode.
    I mean, come on!
    It does depend on what theyre testing. Read/writes go up, IOPS/seeks stay the same. The benchmark application also may not work (I found at least 2 that didnt) on such fast drives. If the benchmark app screens the actual speeds behind a silly number (eg: if you couldn't look into individual speeds in pcmark you'd just get a meaningless end number) it will also hide that the app is failing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chosen. View Post
    I'm quite disappointed by how many reviewers (including TechReport) managed to get the same scores with the ANS-9010 in dual mode, as in single mode.
    I mean, come on!
    I thought that was strange also. Mine was in single mode which was the same as what others said was dual, very close numbers.

    I tried in dual mode with my ARC-1231ML and had problems with that, so I kept it in single as I was off to XS and short on time.

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    Mine was posted at OCF on the 31st:

    http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=594189

    It isn't in the review, but I ordered some Fujitsu 15K RPM SAS drives that I'll be comparing the ACARD to as well. Testing will start tonight, actually.

    Folks, RAID-0 isn't a magical thing that will double all performance. It's going to matter when you're doing lots of large, sequential I/O but not much of anything otherwise. For real-world usage like boot drives and program loads, RAID-0 will probably even slow you down versus a single drive.
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    Any word on who ever won the second 9010 + eSATA enclosure? We must be a bit past the extended evaluation day by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serra View Post
    Any word on who ever won the second 9010 + eSATA enclosure? We must be a bit past the extended evaluation day by now.
    Evaluation period was extended due to the delayed deliveries, as far as I remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chosen. View Post
    Evaluation period was extended due to the delayed deliveries, as far as I remember.
    Well he said it would be extended accordingly with the review period. The review period was extended until the end of January, and the original evaluation period was going to be 10 days... so... should be ~Feb 10 or so...
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    So everybody got their unit apart from me despite being sent a email just before christmas saying I'd be getting some to test, thats great. If I had some kind of notification then fine, as I didn't, this company now = blacklisted in my books.

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