I am, that was my freind that said that. I want AMD to do well. I really do. Sometimes I believe the right hand is not working with the left hand though. Sometimes it seems like the Marketing dept is just not going along with what the enginering dept is.
It might do it, and it's good if it does, but what I'm getting at is what if it doesn't? That would not be good, and we don;t wanna see anything bad happen.
Anyone know how much these will cost yet? Also I presume am2+ boards supporting ddr2 can use danebs? If so, may be significantly cheaper than a core i7 system.
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Yes, many if not most AM2+ boards are going to support both AM2+ and AM3 Denebs. It just requires a quick BIOS update from the manufacturer. There's nothing technical keeping it from working.
Many already do.
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I would argue this ... K8, when it launched, was pretty phenomenal .... major leap forward over the crop of CPUs at the time.Originally Posted by dinos22
yeah i doubt it as well but its good to keep grounded because this is beyond any and every expectation i've had for AMD CPUs
really good news but i would hate for it to become sour news that's all i guess
lol noEinstein
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The AM2+ deneb will probably work on an AM2 board.
BUT: I wonder if the AM3 will work on AM2 boards. (Assuming the AM2 board already supports the current AM2+ chips.) That would be a Phenomenal achievement... compatible over 2 socket upgrades.
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you argue everything
yeah i meant to say that i was talking about the difference between my expectations and this news for upcoming gen of their CPUs
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Phenom II looks to be a fun piece of hardware to play with. Exciting news indeed! Hats off to AMD for looking out for the enthusiast as well as enterprise with these new innovations. Cant wait to build my 4ghz + AMD machine after the new year. To all you repeat AMD bashers:
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I know, that's what makes it fun.you argue everything
yeah i meant to say that i was talking about the difference between my expectations and this news for upcoming gen of their CPUs
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core2uo:coreduo::phenomII:phenom
if true then yay!
[H]'s staff are pretty blase about this.
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The look on peoples faces if AMD flops again
Lets hope thats not true hehe
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best news in a long time -give em a break - can't wait to bench an AMD that is worth the effort - and those puppies sound like they are fun
Even my old M3A32 has one of the best power distribution systems I've ever seen. NO vDrop and NO vDroop, either. I couldn't believe it and assumed I had gotten a "golden board" but several others here on XS reported the same thing. It also has 6 +1 external SATA ports and RAID 5 on down. Newer SB750 boards have similar characteristics. All have AMD Overdrive, which has unbelievable options for clocks, timings, multi's, and voltage control. What more could you want ...?
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You can always hope(that they flop),can't youThe look on peoples faces if AMD flops again
Lets hope thats not true hehe
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Fuad is reporting 5+Ghz Phenom IIs are running Far Cry 2 just fine:
Phenom II runs Far Cry 2 at 5GHz+ Print E-mail
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Austin 2008: New LN2 overclocker in town
LN2 is a dangerous liquid and if you are not careful you can burn an arm or two, but if you want some top overclocking scores, you still have to use it.
AMD has demonstrated that Deneb, Phenom II CPU, when cooled with LN2 can run stable at over 5GHz+ and run stable Far Cry 2 benchmark. This is a great score as the guys who were overlocking have said that this was the first time they seriously played with Deneb overclocking.
They used Gigabyte motherboard in AM2+ edition with 790GX chipset and the chipset is the part of this success story as the guys who made it have said that they believe it’s the best one AMD made so far.
The temperature was insane minus 186 Celsius and we recon they used 1.9V voltage, something that you use only if you have a superb cooling. This clearly shows that Deneb, Phenom II will have a fighting chance and it should stand much better compared to Intel’s lineup but we are still no aware how Deneb goes against the same clocked Nehalem, Core i7.
Here is Sami Maekinen AMD's top notch overclocker and the chap who helped develop Overdive software OC tool next to 5GHz+ Deneb running stable.
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He was the first person to ever get one I think.I spy a Dragon Evo.
If Macci is hitting those kinds of clocks on LN2 with Dragon Evo...wonder what he would do with a F1 extreme...Sami PM me your info again, time for an upgrade
Looks like AMD is back in the LN2 game after all this time. Pretty cool
Nehalem kind of sucks for extreme overclocking on LN2 to be honest. The LN2 party since dothan had to end some time I guess lol.
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The only downside I see here, is the amount of LN2 we will have to spend running the CPU at -190C all day long
Nice to see that AMD is back in business. Now where is my AM2 board again? After CES things should get interesting again =) Finally a change in the benching scene. Benching C2Ds all the time is a little boring and Nehalem is not exactly much fun under LN2 as of right now =/
Fingers crossed, AMD is right and that CPU is not cherry picked or special in any form.
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Ok, so when we can see some benchmarks? Must Cest be the firs stop, or some one can share sone little more informations about the Phenom II and any benchmark?
You could want it to say Intel on it, brand is all that matters right?
What more could you want ...?
Heh, just look at the "LOL AMD is going to fail and you are all idiots. Oh but I hope they do okay." comments.
Originally Posted by GAR
The look on peoples faces if AMD flops again
Lets hope thats not true heheHe said IF they flop, so why are you acting like he said when they flop? Or even worse hope they flop. He then says let's HOPE they don't. WOW, So you're turning concern into a Bash even when posters aren't bashing, amazing!
Most folks wants to see AMD do well, some want to them at least catch Intel. ALL OF US know prices will go up if they don't.
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I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.qft!
Donnie,look the post above yours,MrMOjoz summed it up perfectly!
"Oh but I hope they do okay" should make us forget the first part,even if it was not said directly but just hinted at.
BTW i'm not going to get myself into an argument with you and make the same mistake Rammsteiner made.For me there is nothing more to say regarding your comment.
Yeah, sometimes there's no point in going that wayI learned the hardway.
But indeed, people shout left and right 'Oh, I hope this and that' while they mean
Although the LN2 stuff is very cool, Im quite curious how Deneb runs with like a Vapochill and such cooling, cooling that is able to run 24/7
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I didn't even noticed that post till everyone raged about it... good way to make a mountain out of a molehill.
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