Real Temp - New temp program for Intel Core processors

[Fungus]

I started using RealTemp a few days ago, and calibrated it as described in the manual page on the website.

There seems to be a problem with it with wolfdale's imo.

When I calibrated (fsb266, 6.0* multipiler) The ambient was 17C, so I set it for an adjustment of -1.0 which gave core temps of about 24C.

Now today the ambient was 32C and core temps were showing less than ambient being around 30C, so I reset it to no correction (0.00) and then it read core's at about 34... this can't be right so I set it to +1.0 and then it showed temps about 37... all these readings @ idle.

HW+Clocking in my sig.

[unclewebb]

Fungus: Most of the sensors I've worked with are pretty consistent. They might be wrong but they are consistently wrong and either read too low or too high at lower temperatures. This behavior doesn't tend to change from one day to the next.

Your results don't make any sense to me either. The ambient goes from 17C to 32C which is a change of 15C but your core temps only go from 24C to 30C or a change of 6C. Something definitely isn't right with that. It seems like you might have some sticking sensors. If your sensors were stuck the other day when you first calibrated then the calibration factor you used might have been completely wrong. A stuck sensor simply reaches a fixed value as it is cooling down. As the CPU gets cooler, it will just keep reporting the same number. There is no way to calibrate a sensor if it has these sticking issues.

Set your calibration back to zero and see if there is a core temperature number that your sensors don't ever go below. You might have to wait for some cooler weather. Drop the core voltage and MHz, open up your case, turn the fans on high, stand on your head and do whatever it takes to get your temps as low as possible. Not all sensors can be used to report accurate idle temperatures. If you can find out if your sensors have a sticking problem and what temperature that problem happens at then maybe you can use the RealTemp calibration feature.

In a few days when Intel tells us everything about these sensors there should be lots of software available that can provide you with accurate temperatures, as long as your sensors aren't sticking.

gbeans99: Don't worry. I love hearing about user error! Far better than having to admit that I screwed something up. You had me scratching my head there for a few minutes but I think I figured it out. I like having the date in the log file now. Nice idea.

[Fungus]

One of the sensors sticks and the other floats to +3 degrees. The one that sticks sits at 22C and the other will read between 22 and 25C.

Ambient is 21.5 right now, and core readings are 28/28... so I think the +1.0 is correct.

I'll see tomorrow as it is supposed to get up to 32-35 or so.

[impar]

Greetings!

This might turn interesting:
Intel Will Disclose DTS Specs At IDF

Previously undisclosed information about DTS or digital thermal sensor by Intel will be announced at IDF to provide for more accurate internal temperature monitoring of current 45nm CPUs.

[Warboy]

Something is a miss here.

[Ol'Baditude]

Well, nothing stands out for me. Other than 3 of your cores appear to be reading the same thing at the time of the screenshot. I have no idea what that other program is, so why don't you spell it out.

[BeastNotro]

The other program is everest's OSD on screen function.

OSD = On Screen Display

[Ol'Baditude]

Yes, I know that Beast. Thank you though. I was referring to the other program, the intel burn test. I've never used it, therefore I can't really read much from it other than it passed.

[BeastNotro]

Oh well in that case i have used it many times in the past few days.

And yeah all it is a run he did and it passed, but i think he is refering to his temps being 25-25-25-22 ... which would be after the test ran .... not sure if it is a calibration issue or not as his MAX was 39C which is weird if he is on Air Cooling, but i can't see anything refering to what cooling he is using as that program makes mine and many others CPU go to 74-80-88C max and i idle at 32-30-28-29.. air cooled read my specs.

We need him to post what he was refering to and as to why he is?

[unclewebb]

Maybe he noticed that RealTemp reports 25,25,25,22 and Everest reports 25,25,22,25. RealTemp is one of the few programs that re-orders the cores on Quad core processors into there correct physical order based on APIC ID.

[Ol'Baditude]

Yes, I noticed that on my machine. I changed the order in Everest to match when I saw that.

[jaredpace]

If there's anyone here that wont be at IDF to give us the data from their pda/cell, anand will have it up aug 21st.

old news here quoted from anand:


We met with Intel today and have some interesting IDF (Intel Developer Forum) 2008 news. IDF is scheduled this year for August 19 - 21 in San Francisco. It is shaping up to be an exciting event for those tech geeks like us as X58/i7, Larrabee, and System on Chip (SoC) technologies will be discussed in detail among other things. We learned this afternoon that full disclosure of Intel's existing 45nm processor Digital Thermal Sensor (DTS) specification will be presented on Day 3. This 50-minute technical presentation on DTS (course #TMTS001) will start at 1:40 pm. A complete schedule of events can be found by visiting Intel’s official IDF website.

Benson Inkley, a senior power/thermal engineer with Intel, is prepared to address nearly every aspect of DTS functionality for the attendees. However, perhaps the biggest surprise to come out of his presentation will be the first-ever public disclosure of the maximum Tjunction value for all Core 2 Duo/Quad/Extreme desktop processors built on current 45nm-process technology.

Armed with this information, seasoned application developers and amateur coders alike will finally have everything they need to implement the most accurate, real-time core temperature display tool possible. We discussed this topic in our Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 review back in March 2008, except our discussion left quite a few unanswered questions flapping in the breeze. Come next Thursday, anyone walking out of Mr. Inkley's technical session will have all the knowledge needed to lay any longstanding DTS questions to rest.

We applaud Intel for recognizing the enthusiast community’s interest in this subject. Overclockers, performance enthusiasts, and everyday users will finally be able to monitor their CPU’s individual core temperatures without wondering if the reported results are accurate or not. Check back here on Thursday, August 21, for a detailed update on DTS.

[unclewebb]

jaredpace: This has been the top story at Tom's Hardware this weekend as well. Let's hope that Intel doesn't hold anything back.

[unclewebb]

It was such a nice weekend that I didn't get as much accomplished as I thought I would.

Initial testing of the next version is looking good. I've added fully adjustable background and text color for Normal mode as well as Mini Mode. You can leave normal mode as is, if you like, and have a different color scheme for Mini Mode. Whatever you like! I think it should be pretty easy to go from this to a user selectable bitmap for the background in the near future.

[loonym]

Nice look, where's mine?

[kpo6969]

Very nice!

[RejZoR]

If you ask me, serious visual features should be implimented last... And that also looks quiet ugly imo...

[unclewebb]

You're always such a hard guy to please RejZoR. This feature was simple to add to RealTemp without a lot of code bloat and gives a user some control of how RealTemp looks on their desktop. It was mostly designed for Mini Mode but I decided to allow custom colors for the regular GUI as well. RealTemp will not force you to have that ugly monstrosity on your desktop. You can adjust the colors to whatever you like or you can choose not to use that feature and you'll get the standard background and text color just like in previous versions. Just because you personally won't be using a feature doesn't mean that no one else will.

If you ask me, serious visual features should be implimented last...

That's exactly what I've done. There's not a hell of a lot left for RealTemp. It is reaching the end of the development line. Once Intel comes clean with TjMax, etc., every program should be able to correctly figure out temperatures for the 45nm processors.

[Marios]

This is really important news.
Tomorrow at IDF 2008 Intel is going to announce max Tjunction values for 45nm CPUs along with more info about CPU DTS (Digital thermal sensonrs).
We depend on DTS readings to calculate the core CPU temps.

Benson Inkley, a senior power/thermal engineer with Intel, is prepared to address nearly every aspect of DTS functionality for the attendees. However, perhaps the biggest surprise to come out of his presentation will be the first-ever public disclosure of the maximum Tjunction value for all Core 2 Duo/Quad/Extreme desktop processors built on current 45nm-process technology.

Source

[unclewebb]

I kind of like the ability to lighten up the main GUI as well as create some interesting Mini Modes.

The beta section is open for business:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip



if you think this might be a useful feature for you or

I agree with RejZoR, this is fugly, useless bunk.

This is beta software but seems to work pretty good. If you have any problems, let me know.

[RejZoR]

Well, maybe it's just black that makes too much contrast difference... There is one thing. Can you make a drop down menu for Font options? Those radio buttons placement looks like feature related to each separate core but in fact it's not. Then just enter font names in the drop down menu, if there is no names or you don't have any to waste just name them "Font Type X" or "Font Option X". Replace X with font number.

[skinnee]

I will use it!

[unclewebb]

A font requester for the System Tray area is a good idea RejZoR. The reason I haven't gone to this yet is because you can spend hours picking through your font collection and you'll probably come to the same conclusion that I did, there aren't a lot of fonts that are readable that fit nicely in the system tray area.

RealTemp gives users a choice of 4 fonts for the System Tray area that can be quickly accessed. I agree that it's not intuitive but after 100,000+ downloads, you are the only one to complain about this feature. RealTemp also allows you to use a font editing program like Fony and you can edit the included RTFont to create whatever you like. I like that flexibility. My main competition, CoreTemp, gives you one tiny font option for the System Tray last time I checked. A SystemTray font requester won't become a high priority feature to add until more people complain about this.

I tried putting a + sign in the naked toggle button at the top right that you don't like but to me it looked ugly so I got rid of that and left it blank.

1001 suggestions from yourself and other members of XS combined with 6 months of development has resulted in RealTemp heading to the IDF.

I'm happy with that.

[Ol'Baditude]

I will use it!

Nice hound in your Avatar Skinnee. I have a couple here at home.

webb, I can't wait to try the new beta when I get home. My work machine has a crappy Centrino and RT won't run.

[unclewebb]

Ol'Baditude: Why not post a CPU-Z screen shot of your work machine to see if there's any hope of getting RT to run on that.