AMD Officially Denies Bulldozer Delay !

**Macadamia** · 05-30-2011, 11:11 AM

@chew* Sandy got wider (and had an iGPU of all things to integrate), while BD partly tries to streamline work for clockspeeds. (by extrapolation, it's quite easy to see how good SB-E can clock without the extra baggage)

Only time will tell whether there are some stupid mistakes in the process of getting there, like Netburst.
Do remember though, that AMD Austin is the lead design for BD (as far as I know), a stronger team than the one that leaded K10 in general. These guys did Athlon Classic, A64 and more.

chew* · 05-30-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Macadamia

@chew* Sandy got wider (and had an iGPU of all things to integrate), while BD partly tries to streamline work for clockspeeds. (by extrapolation, it's quite easy to see how good SB-E can clock without the extra baggage)

Only time will tell whether there are some stupid mistakes in the process of getting there, like Netburst.
Do remember though, that AMD Austin is the lead design for BD (as far as I know), a stronger team than the one that leaded K10 in general. These guys did Athlon Classic, A64 and more.

Believe me I know all of this.

Just because my Avatar says what it says I am not out of the loop.

I was not removed from the loop.

I have chosen to remove myself from the loop in the very near future

but I'm not out of the loop just yet, there's still some work to be done.

Sadly, real life is calling, and it's not just calling it's yelling at the top of it's lungs.

**EniGmA1987** · 05-30-2011, 03:25 PM

Feel free to push "the loop" my way Chew

**DarthShader** · 05-30-2011, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by chew*

I would be less inclined to make assumptions.

But you nevertheless made a Bulldozer performance prediction by taking a Thuban + delta between Thuban and Deneb + some IPC improvements. That's a whole load of assumptions there.

Originally Posted by XRL8

The only semi credible ones were with B0 stepping in cinebench using 890FX mainboard.

Yeah, I might have mixed up the numbers ...

**JumpingJack** · 05-30-2011, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Macadamia

@chew* Sandy got wider (and had an iGPU of all things to integrate), while BD partly tries to streamline work for clockspeeds. (by extrapolation, it's quite easy to see how good SB-E can clock without the extra baggage)

Actually SB is still 4 issue so it didn't widen you probably mean that it got deeper which it did.

Also how does one partly streamline work for clock speed?

chew* · 05-30-2011, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by DarthShader

But you nevertheless made a Bulldozer performance prediction by taking a Thuban + delta between Thuban and Deneb + some IPC improvements. That's a whole load of assumptions there.

Educated guess's are not assumptions. They are improving IPC slightly. They are adding 2 cores....It's not hard to do worst case scenario math.

Like I said my approach leaves me never being dissapointed. Anything else is a bonus.

Originally Posted by EniGmA1987

Feel free to push "the loop" my way Chew

I never asked for my "loop" nor did I go chasing it down. It chose me. It may also end with me.

**james333** · 05-30-2011, 10:30 PM

Is the loop like the Burns family circle of trust?

chew* · 05-30-2011, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by james333

Is the loop like the Burns family circle of trust?

I don't know, you tell me...NDA was up yesterday, this is the first anyone has even known I even had boards.......and i'm not "signed" to NDA.

**Daveburt714** · 05-30-2011, 11:03 PM

So which board you like best chew*?

I was leaning toward the MSI, but reviews look like it needs a little bios work yet.

Since it looks like BD is going to be delayed, I may just go with a Llano build to satisfy my need for new gear. I'd still like to get your opinion though...

**Lightman** · 05-31-2011, 12:48 AM

Same question chew*.

I might need to buy new mobo very soon due to failing CH IV.
Any of these recommended for OC fun on AIR/Water and good DualChannel memory clocks?

Feel free to PM me in case you don't want to upset any of friendly board markers.

**zoomee** · 05-31-2011, 02:18 AM

Are nay of these UEFI bios boards quicker to boot than the current CHIV please?

Its the only reason I'd want a UEFI board! - The promised super quick boot times (which I aint seen delivered yet!)

**duron** · 05-31-2011, 02:24 AM

hmmmmm why is it on sale already if it's delayed?

FX 8130P now! get one already & do the test! woot!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10505340290

http://wccftech.com/2011/05/30/amd-b...9980-yuan-308/

**[XC] Oj101** · 05-31-2011, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by chew*

I don't know, you tell me...NDA was up yesterday, this is the first anyone has even known I even had boards.......and i'm not "signed" to NDA.

Just because you haven't said anything doesn't mean we didn't have our strong suspicions

**andos** · 05-31-2011, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by duron

hmmmmm why is it on sale already if it's delayed?

FX 8130P now! get one already & do the test! woot!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10505340290

http://wccftech.com/2011/05/30/amd-b...9980-yuan-308/

Taobao is the Chinese answer to eBay. That is probably fake, and is even using the concept art.

**2senile** · 05-31-2011, 05:07 AM

@ andos
'fraid either totally fake or somebody selling samples. Even the stated speed on the OEM 8110 system is well below what is expected.

**[XC] Oj101** · 05-31-2011, 05:22 AM

That advert also says "X4 9750"

**Brother Esau** · 05-31-2011, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by chew*

I don't know, you tell me...NDA was up yesterday, this is the first anyone has even known I even had boards.......and i'm not "signed" to NDA.

Good to know some people still operate with the code of honor chew

Also, what the hell is a *CHIV* ? this has been bothering the crap out of me every time i see it mentioned.

**MrMojoZ** · 05-31-2011, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Also, what the hell is a *CHIV* ? this has been bothering the crap out of me every time i see it mentioned.

Crosshair 4.

**jmrios** · 05-31-2011, 05:32 AM

CHIV= Crosshair IV

**FlanK3r** · 05-31-2011, 06:02 AM

nice collection set Chew*

Will u tetsing with Thubans or later with BD chips?

**64NOMIS** · 05-31-2011, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Good to know some people still operate with the code of honor chew

Also, what the hell is a *CHIV* ? this has been bothering the crap out of me every time i see it mentioned.

"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

**stangracin3** · 05-31-2011, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

Just because you haven't said anything doesn't mean we didn't have our strong suspicions

screw suspicions we all knew he had a few...
we didnt even need to see them because we all know he is gauranteed to have some because he keeps his mouth shut when he doesn't have to

**undone** · 05-31-2011, 11:32 AM

When I translate the page about Llano I find some useful(maybe) info on it.
http://translate.google.com/translat...F11_99185.html

Llano official version has been shipped, BD is unknown

looks like Llano is begin shipping, but bulldozer shipment is still unknown. Maybe even the internal worker also have questions about the situation.

Edit: This guy also posted some test about Llano, even last year he posted some leaked "Detailed parameters Phenom II X6", but later he had no post in almost one year, that's why he is looked like an informed person.
I decided to follow this guy, maybe he will give out other info in the future. (the last post is at May 28, with Llano at 4ghz)
http://translate.google.com/translat...%2Fdick_ken%2F

Edit2: the google trans link sucks I spend a lot of time to correct it.