Bulldozers first screens

[BeepBeep2]

At least compare same gen competitor chips.

i5 2500K
FX4000

Oh my god...

I think I'm done posting in this thread.
Technically you can compare i7 920 to AMD Phenom II 940BE, or if you feel that those are not "same gen" then 955BE, the Phenom II chip is gonna fail hard to the intel chip stock OR overclocked even on LN2 to the 920 despite the fact that its BCLK limited.

Now what are we supposed to do, compare a chip released several months ago to a chip that doesn't even exist in public yet?

...and I'm the furthest thing from an intel fanboy.

[chew*]

At least compare same gen competitor chips.

i5 2500K
FX4000

FX 4000 is not out nor do I have accurate numbers nor do I intend to guess.....

My compare was of what I could apple to apple core per core thread for thread.......

Do you think if i chopped 2 cores off thuban it would be any diff?

Yes i'm very interested how 4 core bulldozer will stack up in the same compare.

Tbh tired of benching intel............

Llano I can do the compare on soon......but I already know the outcome, it's deneb with an IGP tossed in......

[DarthShader]

I still think they need to fill that niche with a high IPC moderate cored cpu however.

Do they really?

What is better: 5% higher IPC or being able to clock 10% higher, within the same power budget and die area?

In case of BD, if the single threaded workload is mainly integer, it will be able to benefit from an aggressive turbo (possibly doing speculative execution with the help of the second core of the module too), if the workload is FP (and not AVX), it will be able to utilize both halfs of the FlexGPU, running two instructions in parallel, if possible. I am therefore not particualry worried about single thread performance. Yet.

[chew*]

I'm tired of benching Thuban over and over...(exactly why I should have bought a 2500k to play with)

I fired up the Windsor 5600+ tonight, was gonna put the H70 in ice water...board is dead, bricked it after I flashed the bios and I dont have a spare chip.

Tbh your not missing out on much, not to many buttons you can push which is why I prefer clocking locked parts or AMD stuff cold. I rarely sell my cpu's unless i have duplicates and I sold my only 5.5 gig 2500K chip......that should say something.

[BeepBeep2]

FX 4000 is not out nor do I have accurate numbers nor do I intend to guess.....

My compare was of what I could apple to apple core per core thread for thread.......

Do you think if i chopped 2 cores off thuban it would be any diff?

Yes i'm very interested how 4 core bulldozer will stack up in the same compare.

Tbh tired of benching intel............

I'm tired of benching Thuban over and over...(exactly why I should have bought a 2500k to play with)

I fired up the Windsor 5600+ tonight, was gonna put the H70 in ice water...board is dead, bricked it after I flashed the bios and I dont have a spare chip.

Tbh your not missing out on much, not to many buttons you can push which is why I prefer clocking locked parts or AMD stuff cold. I rarely sell my cpu's unless i have duplicates and I sold my only 5.5 gig 2500K chip......that should say something.

Interesting. You have any working AM2 boards or spare time by chance? Otherwise I cant hotflash this one because I dont have another board to do it with.

Do they really?

What is better: 5% higher IPC or being able to clock 10% higher, within the same power budget and die area?

In case of BD, if the single threaded workload is mainly integer, it will be able to benefit from an aggressive turbo (possibly doing speculative execution with the help of the second core of the module too), if the workload is FP (and not AVX), it will be able to utilize both halfs of the FlexGPU, running two instructions in parallel, if possible. I am therefore not particualry worried about single thread performance. Yet.

How about 15% higher IPC as well as being able to clock 10% higher.

SB at stock makes Thuban overclocked look like a childrens toy.

[chew*]

Do they really?

What is better: 5% higher IPC or being able to clock 10% higher, within the same power budget and die area?

In case of BD, if the single threaded workload is mainly integer, it will be able to benefit from an aggressive turbo (possibly doing speculative execution with the help of the second core of the module too), if the workload is FP (and not AVX), it will be able to utilize both halfs of the FlexGPU, running two instructions in parallel, if possible. I am therefore not particualry worried about single thread performance. Yet.

When AMD first came on the seen they never tried to be better, faster. What they offered was an alternative. Now the market is more "diverse" Diff cpu's for diff tasks.....I don't expect them to make a better cpu in that category, But i sure would like an alternative.

[Daveburt714]

When AMD first came on the seen they never tried to be better, faster.

Maybe not in the very begining, but AMD definetly tries to compete with Intel from a performance standpoint...

The Athlon was the first CPU to break the 1Ghz barrier, and the A64 actually handed P4's their lunch before C2D came out.

It may not happen this round, but there are some pretty bright engineers at AMD...

What ever happened to Cyrix anyway....

[RussC]

Cyrix was bought by National Semi in 1997. Was then later sold to VIA ~1999 or 2000.

Just Googled it.

RussC

What ever happened to Cyrix anyway....

[Daveburt714]

Cyrix was bought by National Semi in 1997. Was then later sold to VIA ~1999 or 2000.

That was really intended to be a rhetorical question...

Cyrix seemed to be the company that just wanted to be an alternative and not actually compete. Hence, they disappeared.

Thanks for the info though!

[Daimler]

In his blog, CPUZ creator used older than available build of cpuz so that doesnt prove anything.Until he confirms the same can be said of the newest builds.

The actual owner of Bulldozer used the latest CPU-Z version available and had HT-Link missing too. He explained it as some technical difference between Phenom and Bulldozer and cautioned that if you see screenshot with some digits there than it's not Bulldozer.

So it is out of question - HT-link must be blank or it's fake.

[[XC] Oj101]

Tbh your not missing out on much, not to many buttons you can push which is why I prefer clocking locked parts or AMD stuff cold. I rarely sell my cpu's unless i have duplicates and I sold my only 5.5 gig 2500K chip......that should say something.

1. Find maximum multiplier
2. Benchmark

That's about all there is to it. No more comparing (for example)

200*13.5
225*12
270*10
300*9

to see which gives you the best balance. Going cold gains stability but not speed. It's all just press a button and hope for the best.

[FlanK3r]

Maybe not in the very begining, but AMD definetly tries to compete with Intel from a performance standpoint...

The Athlon was the first CPU to break the 1Ghz barrier, and the A64 actually handed P4's their lunch before C2D came out.

It may not happen this round, but there are some pretty bright engineers at AMD...

What ever happened to Cyrix anyway....

Now will be the first native octa-core and new "modul" design. It will be about die size and performance efectivity.

[[XC] Oj101]

Now will be the first native octa-core and new "modul" design. It will be about die size and performance efectivity.

I *think* Intel already has eight core chips in the high end server market. I know there's a thread here somewhere about the upcoming ten core chips.

[FlanK3r]

ok, first in desktop

[Apokalipse]

Bulldozer is the first 8 core die (as opposed to putting two 4-6 core dies on one chip)

[muziqaz]

Can someone tell me, why Daimler's post was deleted? Were those shots fake?

[Daimler]

Sandy is being Bulldozered. At last ^_^
enjoy:



PS Post restored. Had to clear some things up.
PSS Can't confirm that this is 100% true, but it's from blog of a real Bulldozer owner here: http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2011/05/wow-enjoy.html

[muziqaz]

oh, ok.

[chew*]

Sandy is being Bulldozered. At last ^_^
enjoy:



PS Post restored. Had to clear some things up.
PSS Can't confirm that this is 100% true, but it's from blog of a real Bulldozer owner here: http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2011/05/wow-enjoy.html

Without a cpu-z and a rev version even if thats not a fake its pointless.

Your not going to be able to extrapolate any correct data from silicon that any endusers has at this point in time.

[zalbard]

This whole thread is about fakes. Totally pointless...
Also, trusting OBR would be quite short-sighted to say the least.

[Daimler]

zalbard nah, at least we have something to argue about till the official release and benchmarks show up.

[zoomee]

7.37 in Cinebench 11.5 is BD????

I get 7.14 on 1090T @ 4Ghz/2.6NB.
1090T @ 4.2 gave me 7.42!!!!!!

No way will BD be the same performance as a thuban lol!

Besides - I heard today, that BD is being delayed

[chew*]

7.37 in Cinebench 11.5 is BD????

I get 7.14 on 1090T @ 4Ghz/2.6NB.
1090T @ 4.2 gave me 7.42!!!!!!

No way will BD be the same performance as a thuban lol!

Besides - I heard today, that BD is being delayed

You don't even know what speed cine was run at..........

Delayed?

It was never to launch the 7th.........thats Llano........people are getting there dates/info wrong/mixxed up.

[w0mbat]

7.37 in Cinebench 11.5 is BD????

I get 7.14 on 1090T @ 4Ghz/2.6NB.
1090T @ 4.2 gave me 7.42!!!!!!

No way will BD be the same performance as a thuban lol!

Besides - I heard today, that BD is being delayed

1. you are comparing your extremely OC´ed CPU to one where u dont even know the clock speed.
2. no, BD is not delayed.

[zoomee]

good point! - I auto presumed it was 3.8 as per other 'leaked' benchies