***X58A-OC*** Club/Discussion/Information

[Hondacity]

the multi change is what sets it apart...or does ud5 have that already? lol i dunno

[Buckeye]

Take it for what its worth

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=269500

Yes the OC has some nice features that some many like and want. UD5 is no weakling when it comes to OCing either.

Brian used the same chip for both boards so we can get a good idea on how they match up.

To me it all boils down the the CPU that wil make or break either of these boards.

It would be nice to see a 980x/990x used on both boards and compare also. No ES chips please, just retails.

Same chip on each board that is.

[Leeghoofd]

The thing that should do it for the OC board was the initial low retail price in the 250 dollar region. Though etailers here are also more talking about 400 dollars which really kills it as many will still go for a more feature equipped board alike UD7/RE 3.

We will see on the 21st when we have a launch party at Tones...

[Eldonko]

Ouch yeah this board is much more than I anticipated. I was thinking $300 at the most

[Olivon]

One french e-shop sells it 250€ but not in stock

[NoGuru]

I bought one from the Egg. More then I wanted to pay but still want to check it out.

[runmc]

I never had a Giga board. I wonder how this board stacks up against the REBE

[zalbard]

WoW $379 plus tax & shipping puts this over $400... ekk
To much for me

I would rather get a UD5 for almost $100 cheaper and has plenty of features that can be used for other things. Plus from Chews report it OC's just as well, if not better is some cases.

Yeah, I don't quite see the savings from removing the unnecessary components... It's a great looking board, but $400 is too much. $300 would be much more reasonable. $250 would be fantastic!

[D749]

wtf

WTF is right. What happened to ~$280.

[dinos22]

Any significant changes from 014 to F3? Running 014 at the moment and wondering if it's worth flashing and retesting everything.

why not just flick the bios switch and test it on the second bios , that's what it's there for

[sin0822]

F3 gave me better benchmark scores

anyways got a PB this weekend with my i7 930 5.250ghz puts me in #9 on hwbot for cpu clock. Not bad i am surrounded by all R3Es LOL.
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2166192_
I was able to maximize CB to -90c
the board is too easy and fun to use! I laugh so hard b/c my 930 wont do over ~220blc on air(on any board i test), that is with slow mode.

Anyways more to come and some nice benches soon.

[dinos22]

Yeah, I don't quite see the savings from removing the unnecessary components... It's a great looking board, but $400 is too much. $300 would be much more reasonable. $250 would be fantastic!

The board just released....UD9 was $700 when it came out. This one is almost half the price of that on release day. It was planned to be released even cheaper but some delays and changes have increased the cost of production unfortunately.

Have you looked up what the new R3B is selling on its release? I see 200 reasons why it makes sense to remove we don't need and put things we do want

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ge%203%20black

[sin0822]

to be honest not much was removed?

SATA6G? Yes there and MUCH better than SATA6G on any other X58 board except the G1 sERIES, you can actually RAID 0 with SAT6G SSDs with Marvel SE9182
USB 3.0? Yes its still here, but two ports with a different Etron tech controller, so some money saved maybe on 4 ports?
eSATA no, but who uses eSATA?
USb 2.0? Not totally gone, total of 2 on the back panel and 2 through USb 2.0 header
IEEE? No but who uses it anyways?
PCI? yes x1
PS2? yes X2
PCI-E layout? better than any other GB X58 board other than the UD9 and G1

Cost for features like USB cut of course, but not by much, maybe an extra Ti IEEE controller or using more USB 3.0 through a NEC controller would increase costs a bit, and traces and cost for engineering and PCB would have increased a bit as well if they used more of the 14 available USB 2.0 outputs from ICH10R which is already there. In teh end a small cut in conectivity which was put towards power delivery.


Power delivery? POSCaps 100% is a HUGE cost
Loss of DrMOS in half= savings
Addition of special order 50A Core chokes= Large cost
ISl 6336G= same as other boards

other VRMs same components but Low rds on FETs same as other GB boards, but high quality Caps and Chokes.

VRM price increased, considering the entire board has all upgraded components, the Chokes which are special order for this board, and POSCaps are prob the most expensive tantalum caps they could have used. VRM cost over UD7 and UD5=Huge.


Features that cost:
DIP switches for SF and BIOS
Buttons and nuvoton special order controller for buttons and 4g button prob wasn't cheap either.
Extra hardware monitoring IC= Windbond IC + iTE IC which also took more engineering like the G1 actually.
Special heatsinks and LEDs in heatsinks, prob a smaller cost, but one that counts.

This board has much better power delivery than the UD5 and UD7 on top of that it has more OC features, not much for connectivity was cut out. Its not like this board lacks USb 3.0 and SATA6G.

That is my take, but others might disagree, but after playing with this board for a month now, I gotta say its been just a pleasure to work with. other than my oc ability nothing is holding this board back, pushed 250blck on my crappy 930, pushed 6.6ghz on my 990x, its just a joy to work with, and even easier to OC than any board I have ever played with.

This board is a gateway drug to the addiction of extreme overclocking, at least for me it has been, for others who already have been long time benching LN2 its prob a welcomed change.

[donmarkoni]

I really wanted to buy this board, but now I highly doubt. Price is to high, especially this late in the game.
I'll probably stick to my R3E until socket 2011 and/or 1356 comes out.

[sin0822]

i think its 2011

[zalbard]

Have you looked up what the new R3B is selling on its release? I see 200 reasons why it makes sense to remove we don't need and put things we do want

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ge%203%20black

I gave up on ASUS a while ago. No way I'd pick up R3B, even if it was $200 cheaper.
And removing the extra stuff is great. It both gets rid of the clutter (and thus the extra effort to turn things off) and allows to save up on the excluded components.
Besides, R3B is more like G1-Killer boards rather than X58A-OC.

The board just released....UD9 was $700 when it came out.

I sure hope you aren't saying that it was reasonably priced. Should've been $500 tops at launch...

[donmarkoni]

i think its 2011

Yeah, 2011 for quad channel RAM and dual QPI, but 1356 for triple channel and single QPI.

IMO, 2011 will be too expensive, at least those dual QPI CPU's, like X5xxx Xeons are now.
I would like to be wrong at this and that there would be single socket 2011 MB's that accept single QPI CPU's, but it's highly unlikely.

[zalbard]

1356 was cancelled, wasn't it?

[Eldonko]

Good points, all we really need is usb3 and sata6g. The cost of the board is high likely because of engineering costs and a smaller production scale. Niche board for niche market loses a lot of the economies of scale that a mainstream board would have. Love the board either way and I applaud GB for producing something like this at all.

to be honest not much was removed?

SATA6G? Yes there and MUCH better than SATA6G on any other X58 board except the G1 sERIES, you can actually RAID 0 with SAT6G SSDs with Marvel SE9182
USB 3.0? Yes its still here, but two ports with a different Etron tech controller, so some money saved maybe on 4 ports?
eSATA no, but who uses eSATA?
USb 2.0? Not totally gone, total of 2 on the back panel and 2 through USb 2.0 header
IEEE? No but who uses it anyways?
PCI? yes x1
PS2? yes X2
PCI-E layout? better than any other GB X58 board other than the UD9 and G1

[donmarkoni]

1356 was cancelled, wasn't it?

Was it? I wasn't aware. Wasn't following news carefully. Thanks for the heads up.

Hmm... Then I just might be wrong and it would be a good thing.
Well, I don't see any reason why wouldn't socket 2011 support both types of CPU (single and dual QPI) and both types of IMC (three and four channels).

EDIT: Sorry for off-topic discussion.

[sin0822]

well it hink 2011 willbe us, and maybe 1356 will be server only. I like teh dual QPI but that means that it should be a dual CPu system. I hope we get single CPU varients, but all in all 2011 looks to be our target market. If Intel fixes the cold bug and lifts multiplier limits, then maybe we can switch from X58 to X79, otherwise the boards we already have max out our current CPUs.

[zalbard]

well it hink 2011 willbe us, and maybe 1356 will be server only. I like teh dual QPI but that means that it should be a dual CPu system. I hope we get single CPU varients, but all in all 2011 looks to be our target market. If Intel fixes the cold bug and lifts multiplier limits, then maybe we can switch from X58 to X79, otherwise the boards we already have max out our current CPUs.

I think the new 22nm 3D transistors look very promising (for OCing). Just hope they scale with cold really well...

[Leeghoofd]

Have you looked up what the new R3B is selling on its release? I see 200 reasons why it makes sense to remove we don't need and put things we do want[/url]

Never compare apples to oranges. RBE is feature comparitive with the G1 asssssasssssssination on your wallet series. So is their retail price... Hence why I asked a Sniper board for the demo of the 21st, better bang for the buck... at least from a gamers perspective... a mobo solution that I can defend if someone want's to buy a cool looking board.

Looking forward though to give this retail OC board a spin next week... I think it will be better to NOT do a live stream :p

[Olivon]

One french e-shop sells it 250€ but not in stock

Price is now 350€

[maddoctor]

the multi change is what sets it apart...or does ud5 have that already? lol i dunno

Wow, you are the real Intel Lover.