MSI AM3+ 990FX Spotted

[Mats]

Just looks like a normal lotes socket to me.

Physically, the AM3+ socket must be identical to AM3, otherwise it wouldn't wotk with older AM3 CPU's.
The difference must be in the AM3+ CPU's, obviously. Compare with this.

[imamage]

be specific mitx with pci-e 16x!

Yep , Please please please
Gigabyte / ASUS / MSI if you guys can hear us
please make a mITX with PCI-e x16 !!!
Best to pair with Desktop DDR3 Ram slot

[imamage]

Alright finally AM3+ board , ASUS where's your Crosshair V ?

[Oliverda]

Probably this will be my next mobo. I can't wait the moment to throw out the crappy Crosshair IV from my case.

[Tomasis]

cannt wait for more ma3plus mobos

[Smartidiot89]

Hmm I was expecting another solution for AM3+ that would enable backwards compatibility with AM3-processors. This meens there will be a socket-change when the new Bulldozer-uArch appears in 2012 considering it fully integrate the Northbridge chipset...

Probably this will be my next mobo. I can't wait the moment to throw out the crappy Crosshair IV from my case.

I'd gladly take the burden of you, want my adress?

[Oliverda]

I'd gladly take the burden of you, want my adress?

I don't want to hurt you.

[Smartidiot89]

I don't want to hurt you.

I loooove pain so please send me that sexy latex-dressed motherboard over here!

[Mats]

This meens there will be a socket-change when the new Bulldozer-uArch appears in 2012 considering it fully integrate the Northbridge chipset...

Exactly, that's what I've been saying for the last six months. AM3+ is a bad compromise. Not future proof, and at the same time it doesn't have the backwards compatibility that people wanted (reusing AM3 boards).

All because AMD realized that the current socket would bottleneck the BD somehow, which is a good thing.
It's just too bad they couldn't figure out that before designing/launching the 800 chipsets.

[jeremyshaw]

Exactly, that's what I've been saying for the last six months. AM3+ is a bad compromise. Not future proof, and at the same time it doesn't have the backwards compatibility that people wanted (reusing AM3 boards).

All because AMD realized that the current socket would bottleneck the BD somehow, which is a good thing.
It's just too bad they couldn't figure out that before designing/launching the 800 chipsets.

AMD could be going the Intel route. Two different sockets for low/mainstream and high end split...

[Halk]

I do not see the advantage in the backwards compatibility.

People replace CPUs for a boost. They don't replace motherboards for a boost.

If the new CPUs only work in the new motherboards that means new CPU means new motherboard.

I'm not seeing an advantage, if there is one. In fact I'd rather they scrapped AM altogether and went for a platform that would do them for a long time, and allow people to have several CPUs in the future without new motherboards for em.

[richierich]

That first mobo pictured on Tech Report is a LGA1155 SB mobo.

[AlleyViper]

Most probably it's just a small pwm and generic chipset cooler for the board to be demo'ed. I don't believe MSI will abstain to put fancy coolers with a lot of branding in the final version, specially on a 990FX enthusiast board.

[Manicdan]

i noticed the AM3+ socket has the same number of pins missing on each corner, how the hell will we know how to line up the cpu right before pushing it in the socket?!?!?!?!?

[Sn0wm@n]

Exactly, that's what I've been saying for the last six months. AM3+ is a bad compromise. Not future proof, and at the same time it doesn't have the backwards compatibility that people wanted (reusing AM3 boards).

All because AMD realized that the current socket would bottleneck the BD somehow, which is a good thing.
It's just too bad they couldn't figure out that before designing/launching the 800 chipsets.

the socket isnt even announced officially and what comes after that isnt even official in term of socket etc... so why complain now ????

i noticed the AM3+ socket has the same number of pins missing on each corner, how the hell will we know how to line up the cpu right before pushing it in the socket?!?!?!?!?

with the guide that we receive with our motherboard i guess ....

[Manicdan]

with the guide that we receive with our motherboard i guess ....

i use to just look for the one pin on the corner thats missing to know how to line it up, and i have messed even that simple task up before. i was just hoping they did something a little more idiot proof.

[Oliverda]

I really hope that MSI won't forget to put the V-CHECK points onto this mobo.

[Sn0wm@n]

i use to just look for the one pin on the corner thats missing to know how to line it up, and i have messed even that simple task up before. i was just hoping they did something a little more idiot proof.

and the pointy red arrow on the corner of the cpu wont help you too ???


i mean the pointy arrow + the guide that comes with the mobo .. and yet you expect it to be an headache ....

[stangracin3]

i use to just look for the one pin on the corner thats missing to know how to line it up, and i have messed even that simple task up before. i was just hoping they did something a little more idiot proof.

top left corner of the socket there is an arrow that shows where to line up the cpu

[Mats]

the socket isnt even announced officially and what comes after that isnt even official in term of socket etc... so why complain now ????

Just to give people a heads up before they buy, it looks like AM3+ is a dead end after first gen BD.
No point in complaining after buying since it doesn't help me or anyone else, right?
But in the end it all depends on when they include PCIe, which will require a new socket.

[charged3800z24]

Thanks for posting Dave

Looks like my Crosshair IV is going up for sale...I have a few AM3 boards laying around to hold me over

[FlanK3r]

last few months of glory my x6 1090T BE ...the longest life from all my Phenoms (in APril will be 1 year old and active in using!)

[FlanK3r]

thx to Pietro.sk from AMDzone forum and pc.sk forum
AM3+ MSI

[Sn0wm@n]

Just to give people a heads up before they buy, it looks like AM3+ is a dead end after first gen BD.
No point in complaining after buying since it doesn't help me or anyone else, right?
But in the end it all depends on when they include PCIe, which will require a new socket.

again ... how can you know if am3+ wont get another cpu next year if we dont know whats happening officially next year ....

[Mats]

again ... how can you know if am3+ wont get another cpu next year if we dont know whats happening officially next year ....

1 - This slide shows that Komodo got an integrated GPU (not that I want it tho).
It's not an APU, but given what it's made for I'm not surprised that AMD calls it a CPU.
If you integrate a GPU that doesn't match the CPU performance wise (ie adding the Llano graphics to a 8C BD), you simply wouldn't call it an APU, IMO. I'd like to hear some official words about that, tho.

2 - The server counterparts, Sepang and Terramar, will get new sockets and have integrated PCIe (it doesn't mention any Komodo GPU).
Even the relatively new, lagacy-free C32 and G34 isn't enough even though they're guaranteed to work with first gen Bulldozer.

3 - JF have told us that PCIe can't be integrated without a new socket.

Desktop and server development has been close to each other since the AMP/XP, and I don't think AMD is prepared to separate them more =(higher cost) just to keep AM3+ for desktop.
So even if Komodo doesn't have a GPU, it most likely will have PCIe on die since that's what the server CPU's have.

Nothing is set in stone, and I hope I'm wrong, but this is why I think AM3+ won't work with Komodo.

Sn0wm@n: Have you seen any signs indicating that Komodo will work with AM3+?