AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

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IMHO GTX 580 is still a better buy if your not dirty poor and compromising to save few bucks.

Game Compatibility
Nvidia has generally better (with all the cash they dumb in game companies TWIMTBP titles ect) yes such company bias is bad but it is what it is and we have to live with it, it can be a bonus if your on such camp nvidia does put more effort in getting certain game features working, you don't see AMD putting such efforts.

Sponsored Games
As such sponsored games by nvidia eg. Lost Planet 2, Hawx 2 ect. perform substantially better on geforce line. (it might be a bit to early to make this claim as we don't have enough direct 580/480 comparisons only 5870/6970 but looking at LP2 a stock 480 is substantially faster)

Single GPU Preference
Taking above into account Single GPU performance wise GTX 580 is a fastest you can get. (A bit premature i know but my claim seem logical)

Extras
PhysX (hopefully it will die and get replaced by something better but for now it is free Candy if you have Geforce no such perk from AMD side)

CUDA (not really relevant to games but those who use programs who support it, know its a nice bonus to have)

3D gaming (currently the only solid platform from nvidia, AMD response is pathetic with so little effort put into it)

Mutual Abilitys
Multi Display gaming (Need SLI for 3 monitor gaming, this one AMD is one step ahead sorta still need crossfire for acceptable FPS especially with more then 3 monitors)

Both can do SLI/CF (nothing to see here)

*puts on anti troll ear plugs*

[Oliverda]

IMHO GTX 580 is still a better buy if your not dirty poor and compromising to save few bucks.

Thank you for your objective judgement.

[flopper]

IMHO GTX 580 is still a better buy if your not dirty poor and compromising to save few bucks.

my crossfire 6850 setup runs faster than a 580gtx and is a lot cheaper.
it runs better in the games I play than nvidia hardware does.

I would compromizing my game experience if I bought nvidia stuff.

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my crossfire 6850 setup runs faster than a 580gtx and is a lot cheaper.
it runs better in the games I play than nvidia hardware does.

I would compromizing my game experience if I bought nvidia stuff.

We all have different needs , yours was clearly cheapest crossfire setup , witch is fine no complains here cheap and fast but that does not invalidate my points given nor i was claiming anything against your setup . Its 6970 vs 580. A single GPU preference.

[cold2010]

my crossfire 6850 setup runs faster than a 580gtx and is a lot cheaper.
it runs better in the games I play than nvidia hardware does.

I would compromizing my game experience if I bought nvidia stuff.

What's new about this point ??

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...xkRXr6qWly5vtw

[Kristers Bensin]

IMHO GTX 580 is still a better buy if your not dirty poor and compromising to save few bucks.

Game Compatibility
Nvidia has generally better (with all the cash they dumb in game companies TWIMTBP titles ect) yes such company bias is bad but it is what it is and we have to live with it, it can be a bonus if your on such camp nvidia does put more effort in getting certain game features working, you don't see AMD putting such efforts.

Sponsored Games
As such sponsored games by nvidia eg. Lost Planet 2, Hawx 2 ect. perform substantially better on geforce line. (it might be a bit to early to make this claim as we don't have enough direct 580/480 comparisons only 5870/6970 but looking at LP2 a stock 480 is substantially faster)

Still, we dont know anything untill wednesday, and as many noticed before me. Both 5870 and GTX 480 have made huge improvements just in the driver territory.

I cant say game compatibility differs between the companies.

I belive AMD is putting alot of money in the game industry, its just that when they do it doesnt get a first page article about not optimizing anything (physX) for Nvidia cards as for when Nvidia optimize a game they let out any of the goodies for AMD cards.

Just a sidenote isnt all the games showed during catalyst installation AMD sponsored?

[tifosi]

*puts on anti troll ear plugs*

*Removes the ear plug* advises to stop trolling threads and walks away... leaving with a warning, 'I'll be back!'

IMHO GTX 580 is still a better buy if your not dirty poor and compromising to save few bucks.

Staff... you got to give me this one... I really want to rip this one apart, limb to limb, and then some :P and then some more

Seriously dude... you want to buy something, buy it. But answer this...
Does Nvidia cards support 6 monitors?
Does Nvidia cards support 7.1 HD audio over HDMI?
No?
Then why troll?

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*Removes the ear plug* advises to stop trolling threads and walks away... leaving with a warning, 'I'll be back!'




Staff... you got to give me this one... I really want to rip this one apart, limb to limb, and then some :P and then some more

Seriously dude... you want to buy something, buy it. But answer this...
Does Nvidia cards support 6 monitors?
Does Nvidia cards support 7.1 HD audio over HDMI?
No?
Then why troll?

Dude you listed two features one of them requires major Crossfire to be useful for games, and you have the nerve to call me a troll. And 7.1 audio over HDMI realy ? there is so many more ways to get audio, your points are laughable. Its equvalent of saying does your card have a green sticker ? no then why buy it.

Oh and keep that warning for your self.

Edit:
Do you even have 6 displays and 7.1 Speaker setup

[Chocolate Pi]

Edit:
Do you even have 6 displays and 7.1 Speaker setup

I can't speak for him, but I've been lurking/following this thread because I have 5 monitors and nVidia isn't an option for me at all. Thanks for making the wait entertaining for me though!

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I can't speak for him, but I've been lurking/following this thread because I have 5 monitors and nVidia isn't an option for me at all. Thanks for making the wait entertaining for me though!

Not sure why would you direct that comment at me, never told you not to buy AMD if you need a specific single brand feature.

I was saying it at trolls who make it out to be something vital to everyone, like this one

Posted by tifosi
Does Nvidia cards support 6 monitors?
Does Nvidia cards support 7.1 HD audio over HDMI?
No?
Then why troll?

As if everyone needs 6 displays from one card , it is a very tiny nich market. Same for 7.1 speaker setup over Graphics card HDMI port.

Random gamer out of the box will have more benefit from PhysX and 3D gaming. If you go by tifosi logic you could say "why get AMD if they don't have PhysX".
Then again some people don't care for any of that but very narrow feature set FPS/dollar.

What is valuable to you may be **** to others and GTX580 is precisely that ****, in India where it gets bloody hot

Cool buy what fits your needs, now why troll and post such nonsense. You do realize exact same statement can be said to you. Or anyone else.

[dasa]

there is a fair bit of user preference in those things
i think physx is currently a useless pile of crap and haven't seen it do anything of use in game except for more natural looking fog

i would like the 5.1 hdmi sound output on my gtx480 to work better than it dose
currently it detects the amp as a monitor so i have a invisible monitor on my desktop that some items will open on or the mouse can wonder over to
two monitors being detected also prevents the card from down clocking correctly

cant say 3d is of any interest to me but 3 u2711 would be nice

as i said at the start each to there own

i was hopping two 6970 may have been an upgrade option for me but a second gtx480 is looking more likely

still it looks like these cards will be a decent evolution and keep some pressure on nvidia to lower prices

[stuffme]

I vote only one cable to my receiver, so radeon is the only option. If only nvidia would see that too.

[96redformula]

I vote only one cable to my receiver, so radeon is the only option. If only nvidia would see that too.

Yeah, I need HDMI audio/video paired together for HTPC too.

[tifosi]

Cool buy what fits your needs, now why troll and post such nonsense. You do realize exact same statement can be said to you. Or anyone else.

When was i trolling, my nvidia has this-that was in response to your original post about single card, physx baloney :P

Never mind... no more food for you! Adios!

[Macadamia]

Wow it must be either coincidence that 480 owners are just damn insecure, or jerks, to not mind their own business and not be smartasses in threads.


(The 470 and 580 people are okay though, way less extremists by percentage. Maybe the lesser heat dissipation does help!)

[duploxxx]

Not sure why would you direct that comment at me, never told you not to buy AMD if you need a specific single brand feature.

I was saying it at trolls who make it out to be something vital to everyone, like this one As if everyone needs 6 displays from one card , it is a very tiny nich market. Same for 7.1 speaker setup over Graphics card HDMI port.

Random gamer out of the box will have more benefit from PhysX and 3D gaming. If you go by tifosi logic you could say "why get AMD if they don't have PhysX".
Then again some people don't care for any of that but very narrow feature set FPS/dollar.



Cool buy what fits your needs, now why troll and post such nonsense. You do realize exact same statement can be said to you. Or anyone else.

by accident didn't see me response to you
I''ll repeat again what the 6970 will offer more then your beloved nv580

cost less with probably only few fps less in some games which will never be noticable
2GB ram
less power consumption, so cheaper in the long run
3 monitor setup out of the box (yes we ship 25K units a year like that so I love it that ATI brings that to the plate, only need 1 gpu now)
2 displayport + 1 hdmi + 2dvi got to love the choice without required conversion.
able to combine with APU in the near future for free for enhanced performance.
better cf scaling then SLI

I'm just waiting for the response from this thread when the reviews come out. It's going to be epic.

or yours when you see nv is dropping 50$ on the 570 and 100 on the 580 because of competition... but then you'll be no where anymore in this thread...

comments are epic depending on what anyone would expect of a card.

I expect slightly higher 5870 perf with much better dx11 performance with power consumption under controll, very sure i will be right and it is the right card just in time ready for the next shrink to increase perf and size while nv needs the shrink for powercontroll and size controll, that is the opposit and not so bright future of nv.

[Aten-Ra]

able to combine with APU in the near future for free for enhanced performance.
better cf scaling then SLI

can you provide a tech link about those two plz ??

[Pantsu]

or yours when you see nv is dropping 50$ on the 570 and 100 on the 580 because of competition... but then you'll be no where anymore in this thread...

Oh I'll be here don't you worry.

Actually most likely I'll buy a 6970 since I'm going 3-monitor eyefinity next and eventually go crossfire too. Still I don't have delusions about GTX 580 class performance for GTX 570 price or 100$ price drops. AMD will price these according to performance.

[Kuroimaho]

or yours when you see nv is dropping 50$ on the 570 and 100 on the 580 because of competition... but then you'll be no where anymore in this thread....

That would be awesome, would buy 2 580s as soon as that price comes to effect.

[tifosi]

Dude you listed two features one of them requires major Crossfire to be useful for games, and you have the nerve to call me a troll. And 7.1 audio over HDMI realy ? there is so many more ways to get audio, your points are laughable. Its equvalent of saying does your card have a green sticker ? no then why buy it.

Edit:
Do you even have 6 displays and 7.1 Speaker setup

Yes, you'd get audio, but when i have 8 odd terabytes with HD media all over it... i'd want lossless audio over to my receiver. Monitors, i can add more, but should i have to buy a new card, if i needed then? You see this guy below me making my point... Read it slowly, if you will and try to comprehend it. You buy what offers you more value. What is valuable to you may be to others and GTX580 is precisely that, in India where it gets bloody hot (47 Degree Celsius)! Did you see me recommending any card here? Most of us here are trying to help people make an educated and informed choice.

I can't speak for him, but I've been lurking/following this thread because I have 5 monitors and nVidia isn't an option for me at all. Thanks for making the wait entertaining for me though!

Thanks for proving my point mate!

Add CF scaling. So probably HD6970 CF > GTX580 SLI

Seems he is still in the "if I pay more, then it's better" attitude.

[kam03]

Dude you listed two features one of them requires major Crossfire to be useful for games, and you have the nerve to call me a troll. And 7.1 audio over HDMI realy ? there is so many more ways to get audio, your points are laughable. Its equvalent of saying does your card have a green sticker ? no then why buy it.

Oh and keep that warning for your self.

Edit:
Do you even have 6 displays and 7.1 Speaker setup

I was going to wait for 6970 to compare it to 580 before i make a purchase but after some research i have found out that GTX 580 does not support bit-streaming pass-through for Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master so its 6970 all th way. Whats the deal with that? the 460's have it

Also you dont need 7.1 for good audio, 5.1 is enough with a good setup.

[safan80]

Also you dont need 7.1 for good audio, 5.1 is enough with a good setup.

Yeah because stereo rules, I mean 2.0 audio. Heck nobody needs that just use mono for good audio.

[kam03]

Yeah because stereo rules, I mean 2.0 audio. Heck nobody needs that just use mono for good audio.

2.0 is ok but if you're a pro gamer and watch a lot of movies then 5.1-7.1 all the way!

[Johnny87au]

2.0 is ok but if you're a pro gamer and watch a lot of movies then 5.1-7.1 all the way!

[safan80]

2.0 is ok but if you're a pro gamer and watch a lot of movies then 5.1-7.1 all the way!

I was using sarcasm my friend. Check my sig I use 7.1 audio.