PCMark Vanatage WR is now 29272

[Expat GriZ]

"The LN2 or SS guys should be able to bump me off the top but only if they have a good storage system attached."

I'm not trying to make light of your fantastic score, but there lies the problem..no points awarded, no interest level. If PCMark 05 is outdated and prone to hacks, etc. I wish the Bot would make this the new standard. Will have to PM you at some point Steve for tips on a storage system.....is the new 1880 going to be the one to have?

Congrats on the record, I think you can squeeze more out of that rig.

[Yellowbeard]

[B][I] More & more very expensive, quickly obsolete parts!!

If you use slow shipping methods or live far from the city, it may be obsolete by the time it gets to your door.

[SteveRo]

Great work Steve, congrats for the 30k!

Woah!
Congrats on the WR, this is an amazing score!

Thanks guys, others with 980's will be giving me a run for my money soon enough.
They may need a good storage system though.

[SteveRo]

"The LN2 or SS guys should be able to bump me off the top but only if they have a good storage system attached."

I'm not trying to make light of your fantastic score, but there lies the problem..no points awarded, no interest level. If PCMark 05 is outdated and prone to hacks, etc. I wish the Bot would make this the new standard. Will have to PM you at some point Steve for tips on a storage system.....is the new 1880 going to be the one to have?

Congrats on the record, I think you can squeeze more out of that rig.

Best bang for the buck xtreme storage -

option 1 - 4x intel x25-v on either ich10r (soon with trim) ~$500 or

a little faster - option 2 - same array on an LSI 9211-8i - ~ $730.

Yes, 1880 with 4GB cache (whenever that arrives) should be a killer controller, we will see soon.

If you use slow shipping methods or live far from the city, it may be obsolete by the time it gets to your door.

Generally oh so true - that said - in the storage arena - both the Areca 1231ML-2G/4G and the acard 9010s have been on top for a while and just now they may be beginning to show their age. LSI 9211-8i and 9260-8i is catching up to Areca and the 3rd generation SSDs (ocz vertex LE, owc mercury, maybe the crucial realSSD) are beginning to give the acards some competition.

Some of the new pcie direct connect storage devices like ioxtreme have the potential to be huge game changers

[Tiltevros]

Best bang for the buck xtreme storage -

option 1 - 4x intel x25-v on either ich10r (soon with trim) ~$500 or

a little faster - option 2 - same array on an LSI 9211-8i - ~ $730.

Yes, 1880 with 4GB cache (whenever that arrives) should be a killer controller, we will see soon.



Generally oh so true - that said - in the storage arena - both the Areca 1231ML-2G/4G and the acard 9010s have been on top for a while and just now they may be beginning to show their age. LSI 9211-8i and 9260-8i is catching up to Areca and the 3rd generation SSDs (ocz vertex LE, owc mercury, maybe the crucial realSSD) are beginning to give the acards some competition.

Some of the new pcie direct connect storage devices like ioxtreme have the potential to be huge game changers

intels E versions are acard killers 1rst generation of SSD and almost same price

[SteveRo]

Good morning Tilt,

I thought x25-e's might be faster also until I read this, looks like acard 9010 is still better performance for the most part -

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=215670

The conclusion of that compare - quote -

Conclusion
Is the ANS-9010 the fastest mainstream storage drive in the world? Yes.
No matter how many times I run the benchmarks, or even by using Vista daily on it for the last few weeks, the answer is always the same.
I have a "thing" with solid state technology and I have bought, tested and used most of the SLC SSDs that have been available to the public since September 2007 (Memoright, Mtron, Sandisk, Intel, Samsung and OCZ) as well as the Gigabyte i-Ram.
The fact that it is using RAM, automatically means that it does not suffer by the issues that some (if not all) SSDs have to live with (wearing off, limited write cycles, performance hit with filesystem fragmentation, etc.)
Leaving the pagefile on, doesn't hurt it. Enabling or disabling indexing doesn't make a single difference, search results appear faster than your gfx card can render ;o
Also, fitting it with Lifetime warranty DIMMs, means that I don't have to worry about "bad sectors". DIMM fails, pull it out, restore the OS on a slightly smaller partition, replace it.


So what stops everyone from getting the fastest storage into their systems? As quickly and simply the previous answer was given: the cost.
Not the cost of the device itself, rather than the total cost for getting the ANS-9010 populated with enough DDR2 gigabytes to make it usefull as an OS drive.
I do not consider the limited capacity to be an issue, as it can be resolved by getting 4Gb modules and of course by getting as many ANS-9010 units as your PC case can fit. The common factor in all senarios ends up being the total cost.
The ANS-9010 costs $399 and the shipping costs for EU were $28. The import tax that I had to pay, was €70. The 2Gb Kingston DIMMs I bought for €17 each and the 4Gb Kingston DIMMs go for €95 each.
If you do the math quickly, someone in Europe would have to pay a total of €550 for a 16Gb ANS-9010 or €1150 for a 32Gb one.
The numbers are quite similar in the US as well ($600/16Gb or $1200/32Gb).

[Tiltevros]

ANS-9010 is not the fastest mainstream storage drive... is just the fastest that WE have tested here... there are so many products out there that we didnt test yet.
Acard technology is very old ive seen them in cebit 1999-2000-2001 as militery class using for data processing for fighter jets. but hey this is 2010... many PCIE ssd cards are out there and they are bootable.
Now for SSD's. SSD's were mainly made for Laptops and Enterprises. thats why the mainstream ssd cant perform. Laptops dont need 400Mb/s dont need 20k IO/s.
and ANS-9010 cant fit into a laptop.
I think that we dont use the SSD's for the reason that they r made for...
Enterprices buy SSD's for cache only!!! atleast the company that im working they use SSD's for Caching not for storage and that made me think of why.
From my point of view i think that SSD's are not mature. we have long long way ahead. SSD's technology of today is not even 60% compatible with the staff that we have.

[SteveRo]

I agree you with you that the conversion to SSD is still just starting.
Also once the bugs are ironed out - I think direct connet pcie storage - dram/flash or eventually perhaps all flash - should be the next big thing in xtreme storage.
I am somewhat surprised at how slow the direct pcie solution in proceeding - I would have thought there would have been a big race to this.
Eventually - will we get to the point where it's integrated onto the mobo?

[Tiltevros]

using 3 kinds of mobos made me come with some thoughts... mainstream mobos are not made for Raids more than 3 drives. Even with top Controllers on them.
Now intergreting SSD's or nand chips on a mobo is possible but it will be like tables in sizes. Imagine 8 ssd's onboard with 10 chips each on them lol or imagine PCIE cards size to be onboard!!

[Computurd]

steve i looked at your results again and they are just impressive. 554 for application loading...whoa! and the decryption score is fantastic as well, you are definitely setting a high bar there bro!

[onex]

can u support it with an article?

the only weakness i see with mobo integrated flash based devices is what if you get a error in a nand chip? rma the whole mobo, also you would need varying capacities of course.

it'll probably fit into a socket, it would be ridiculous for any manufacturer to provide the same MB with different capacities or enforce anyone to buy anything they don't really need.

steve - that ACARD test was the reason to say ACARD's are better for benching,
E:mistake, the crucial gave 20k, before going gulftown, u'r system kicked 8 sata 3 SSD's by 6k.

[SteveRo]

onex - it might still be interesting for mbreslin and I to run a acard vs c300 test.
We would probably need to go to ich10 to take the areca 1231ml-4G and LSI 9260-8i out of the equation.
In the simplist test - 2xC300 vs 2xacard9010 - actually - I think the C300's should win.
Both are excellent at small file i/o - but 2x C300s (seq r/w ~ 530/405) should kill 2x acards in sequential i/o (seq r/w ~ 350/300) - for 2xR0.
If we go to 4xR0 it gets harder to predict.

[lowfat]

Acard should really release an updated version of the 9010. A 6Gbps SATA version would really own.

[SteveRo]

Acard should release a pcie direct connect that is bootable

[onex]

it might still be interesting for mbreslin and I to run a acard vs c300 test.
We would probably need to go to ich10 to take the areca 1231ml-4G and LSI 9260-8i out of the equation.
In the simplist test - 2xC300 vs 2xacard9010 - actually - I think the C300's should win.
Both are excellent at small file i/o - but 2x C300s (seq r/w ~ 530/405) should kill 2x acards in sequential i/o (seq r/w ~ 350/300) - for 2xR0.
If we go to 4xR0 it gets harder to predict.

he'll need a SATA3 compatible MB, anyhow, the real test for actual performance would be the PC vantage one FWIW, the ACARD's seems to overkill it yet it could be that the 1231 cache has something to do with it.
he'll need to set up his system though, maybe on that 64KB block,
it's still early to estimate it's full capabilities without testing the array on different alignments.

Acard should really release an updated version of the 9010. A 6Gbps SATA version would really own.

yeah, maybe even dual sata controllers for raiding both of the modules arrays on different cabling - from a RC.
that'll would give u 8 options actually without the need to buy more hardware,
sata3 should perform much better, giving each link with higher bandwidth, eliminate the early saturation of the protocol, atleast from the datasheet-specified bandwidth capability,
maybe just a half system - half capacity for benching.

[SteveRo]

onex - pc vantage suite score loves cache.
w/o the areca 4GB cache - I think the score is way different.

[Tiltevros]

im smelling No.9 new record congrats Computard for ur new record its about time to see everyone going update

[SteveRo]

The record is now 31333.
I increased vcore to 1.5v and was able to dial in 4.75ghz with memory at 2016 6-7-7 1T.
Added another ~1K points.
Also updated post#1.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcmv=299317

[onex]

this one seems to last...

4.75
119
top of the notch,
very nice .

[SteveRo]

Thanks onex, we will see, I think this is about the best I can do with my current setup.

[onex]

Ln2 ...

[lowfat]

LN2 ...

Or even a single stage. Even w/ the ty single stage I have I can pull 4.8GHz easily enough w/ an i7 920. W/ a 32nm CPU a good single stage should be able to bench easily @ 5GHz.

[onex]

yeah stevie go ahead .
j/k,
or move to antarctica for a day ?

[Biker]

Brilliant run!

Well done

I was going to jump on a bunch of 3rd gen SSD's but there is a *lot* of erratic performance out there so i'm waiting for the dust to settle

[mbreslin]

Amazing steve.

Just checking in to say I'm not done, Grabbed new 5970 on ebay to replace my cold bug crappy one, 980x still not shipped from tiget direct lsi fastpath still to come, I will not just go away quietly with #4. :p