The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[ajaidev]

GeForce GTX 480 : 512 SP, 384-bit, 295W TDP, US$499

GeForce GTX 470 : 448 SP, 320-bit, 225W TDP, US$349

Internal benchmarks reveal that GeForce GTX 470 is some 5-10% faster than Radeon HD 5850 and similiar for GeForce GTX 480 over the Radeon HD 5870.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-g...aled/8635.html

I like the prices but tdp is nuts, if gtx 480 is just 5-10% more than 5870 for $499 its noting gr8 "5870 2gb" 5970's “launch” price was about $600USD.

[Carfax]

Internal benchmarks reveal that GeForce GTX 470 is some 5-10% faster than Radeon HD 5850 and similiar for [B]GeForce GTX 480 over the Radeon HD 5870.

Talk about premature.. The HD 5800 series has been out since Q3 last year, and has had ample time to refine and optimize it's drivers.

The same can't be said for Fermi though, and I can recall a few times when Nvidia has released drivers for their new cards which increased performance by as much as 30% across the board (Geforce 3 and Detonator 20xx drivers).

I hope this happens with Fermi as well

[insurgent]

Talk about premature.. The HD 5800 series has been out since Q3 last year, and has had ample time to refine and optimize it's drivers.

The same can't be said for Fermi though, and I can recall a few times when Nvidia has released drivers for their new cards which increased performance by as much as 30% across the board (Geforce 3 and Detonator 20xx drivers).

I hope this happens with Fermi as well

Considering it's size and lengthy development performance should be mind blowing. Nv is making them as fast as possible, ATI is making them as small as possible.

[LesGrossman]

Considering it's size and lengthy development performance should be mind blowing. Nv is making them as fast as possible, ATI is making them as small as possible.

lol to the coma guy that woke up and doesn't know what's going on.

[GoldenTiger]

lol to the coma guy that woke up and doesn't know what's going on.

LOL, nice joke .

[insurgent]

lol to the coma guy that woke up and doesn't know what's going on.

I said it should not that it will. See the difference? Yeah, read between the lines smart guy.

[Sn0wm@n]

Talk about premature.. The HD 5800 series has been out since Q3 last year, and has had ample time to refine and optimize it's drivers.

The same can't be said for Fermi though, and I can recall a few times when Nvidia has released drivers for their new cards which increased performance by as much as 30% across the board (Geforce 3 and Detonator 20xx drivers).

I hope this happens with Fermi as well

so your expecting epic drivers to create some magic performance boost ????


do you want walt disney himself to come render each frame in real time while we are at it ????

[Nightcover]

so your expecting epic drivers to create some magic performance boost ????


do you want walt disney himself to come render each frame in real time while we are at it ????

I think we are expecting actual benchmarks to show us the truth 26.

[annihilat0r]

i think we are expecting actual benchmarks to show us the truth 26.

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[eternal_fantasy]

29.

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[~CS~]

I think we are expecting actual benchmarks to show us the truth 26.

NVIDIA moving media embargo to March 29th


http://www.nordichardware.com/en/com...arch-29th.html

[Carfax]

so your expecting epic drivers to create some magic performance boost ????


do you want walt disney himself to come render each frame in real time while we are at it ????

You make it seem like it's impossible, when it's already happened before.

I gave a specific example even. Any long time buyer of Nvidia cards will remember when the Geforce 3 series first came out, it was barely faster than the Geforce 2 series that it was replacing.....until Nvidia released the new Detonator 20xx drivers that boosted performance by an average of 20 to 30%, and up to 40% and 50% in some cases..

So yes, it can happen. Driver optimizations can make a huge difference in performance, especially if the architecture is radically different from the previous generation; which Fermi happens to be.

[zerazax]

You make it seem like it's impossible, when it's already happened before.

I gave a specific example even. Any long time buyer of Nvidia cards will remember when the Geforce 3 series first came out, it was barely faster than the Geforce 2 series that it was replacing.....until Nvidia released the new Detonator 20xx drivers that boosted performance by an average of 20 to 30%, and up to 40% and 50% in some cases..

So yes, it can happen. Driver optimizations can make a huge difference in performance, especially if the architecture is radically different from the previous generation; which Fermi happens to be.

Problem is that driver releases have matured a lot since the days of the GeForce 2/3. Major bosts in individual games certainly exist, but long-term performance improvements across the board are not in the 20-30% range any longer

[Carfax]

Problem is that driver releases have matured a lot since the days of the GeForce 2/3. Major bosts in individual games certainly exist, but long-term performance improvements across the board are not in the 20-30% range any longer

I don't know. Nvidia is a master of squeezing performance out of their cards with drivers..

Even the G200 got some nice performance increases from driver optimizations, and it had way more similarities to the G80 and G90 cards, than Fermi will have to the G200..

When I first bought my GTX 285, it was using the 17xxx drivers. After Nvidia released the 18xxx drivers, I noticed a significant improvement in performance in a lot of games, to the tune of 15% or so..

These latest 19xxx are also very good, but the improvements are more specific than across the board..

[Sn0wm@n]

I don't know. Nvidia is a master of squeezing performance out of their cards with drivers..

Even the G200 got some nice performance increases from driver optimizations, and it had way more similarities to the G80 and G90 cards, than Fermi will have to the G200..

When I first bought my GTX 285, it was using the 17xxx drivers. After Nvidia released the 18xxx drivers, I noticed a significant improvement in performance in a lot of games, to the tune of 15% or so..

These latest 19xxx are also very good, but the improvements are more specific than across the board..

still .... dont buy the card expecting epic drivers improving performance .... judge by the release driver ... and if price performance watt etc... is ok with you then get it and be happy if nvidia improves those perf over time ....

[zalbard]

I like the prices but tdp is nuts, if gtx 480 is just 5-10% more than 5870 for $499 its noting gr8 "5870 2gb" 5970's “launch” price was about $600USD.

From the 'maximum performance only' point of view... 512 CUDA cores would be a great thing, though. TDP can be dealt with.
But energy efficiency is pretty piss poor, indeed.

You can't go over that, you won't pass PCI-SIG compliance test.

So you haven't seen ASUS Mars, have you? I don't think 4870x2 and GTX295 are certified either...