Thuban II X6 comes as a Phenom 1000-series "With pretty slides"

[JF-AMD]

If what JF said is true then Thuban is Rev. Ex because of silicon changes.

Istanbul is D0. However, Istanbul is a different node than any of the consumer products, so you shouldn't count on sequential numbering.

When they were on the same node C3 meant the same thing (at the high level) for Shanghai and whatever the desktop equivalent was.

But once we split, the numbering schemes no longer reflect each other.

Magny Cours and Lisbon are D1 silicon.

[Jaco]

what clockspeeds are we talking here?
And is there going to be something similar to Intel's Turbomode ?

[SubZero.it]

But does X6 are supported by am2+?if yes...than thank you amd, i'm gonna upgrade too

[haylui]

But does X6 are supported by am2+?if yes...than thank you amd, i'm gonna upgrade too

It'd better be able to run on AM2+ board. I got my fingers crossed

[gOJDO]

Thuban will be 45nm and its the same thing as i7 920 vs i7 980x other than that.

i7-980x is made on another production process. Unlike i7's, the PII x6 and PII x4are going to be produced on the same production process.

Thuban and Deneb are different architectures but Thuban does have similarities to it.

Thuban and Deneb have the same architecture. Thuban will have some parts of the logic redesigned due to the functionality requirements of the extra 2 cores.(just like the i7-980x)

Gulftown and Bloomfield are different architectures but Gulftown does have similarities to it.

They have exactly the same architecture, but Gulftown has few parts of the logic redesigned(like the L3) and upgraded (like the microcode).

For your application and core question just look at any i7 980x review the applications where it performs much better than the i7 quad at same clock is where the added cores are being used it will a similar case for Thuban.

I think that the performance difference in these apps, between a same clocked PII x4 and PII x6 is going to be bigger than the difference between Bloomfield and Gulftown. Due to software limitations(capability of using the available threads), the performance benefits of the additional threads are going to be deminished.

Anyway, we need PII x6 clocked at 3GHz or more. Otherwise it would be like a doungrade for those who already have 3.2/3.4GHz PII x4 in their systems.

[ajaidev]

i7-980x is made on another production process. Unlike i7's, the PII x6 and PII x4are going to be produced on the same production process.

Thuban and Deneb have the same architecture. Thuban will have some parts of the logic redesigned due to the functionality requirements of the extra 2 cores.(just like the i7-980x)

They have exactly the same architecture, but Gulftown has few parts of the logic redesigned(like the L3) and upgraded (like the microcode).

I think that the performance difference in these apps, between a same clocked PII x4 and PII x6 is going to be bigger than the difference between Bloomfield and Gulftown. Due to software limitations(capability of using the available threads), the performance benefits of the additional threads are going to be deminished.

Anyway, we need PII x6 clocked at 3GHz or more. Otherwise it would be like a doungrade for those who already have 3.2/3.4GHz PII x4 in their systems.

Thats what i said other than manufacture process used x4 9xx and x6 1xxx are similar to i7 9x0 and i7 980x that being the added 2 cores.

The silicon is changed its not the exact same architecture as Deneb. Addition of Turbo is also made such thing influence the architecture in no small way.

i7 980x has a nehalem arc not a Bloomfield one. Again the addition of AES IN booster and the fact that its a 32nm means it also is not the same exact arc as the Bloomfield.

Since Thuban is a new silicon i expect it to perform better than Istanbul in several instances but allready i7 980x has all ready shown very good scalability and idk how much better can thuban do.

[JF-AMD]

Thuban will perform better because consumer parts always have higher clocks than server parts. We have a different characterization.

[Vozer]

I'm sure some sites will have a clock-for-clock comparison between a X4 9xx and a X4 9xxT and we will find out.

[charged3800z24]

Thuban will perform better because consumer parts always have higher clocks than server parts. We have a different characterization.

Did the Istanbul chips top out at 2.6ghz? Then we should know 2.8 is a given, and 3.0ghz is possible. I would love to see if this "turbo feature" is true and how it works. I am excited to see some info soon. Oh, sdid Magny-cours officially launch? I haven't seen any info on it floating around.

[informal]

Istanbul Opties top out at 2.8Ghz today .

[charged3800z24]

Istanbul Opties top out at 2.8Ghz today .

Oh yeah, I forgot about the 105 watt SE models. Well, we should see some higher clocked ones then.

[gOJDO]

@ajaidev
Some minor tweaks, few basic features and extra two cores are not making Thuban and Gulftown a new architectures over Deneb and Bloomfield (respectively). Their cores, pipelines, execution units, buffers, prefetchers, OoO engines, core caches, predictors and etc. are the same. So, it's the same architecture, just like all the K8 variants: 130, 90 and 65nm: s754 with single channel DDR ODMC, s939 with dual channel DDR ODMC and with and without SSE3, dual core s939, sAM2.
A different architecture is for example K10 over K8, or Nehalem over Penryn.

Thuban will perform better because consumer parts always have higher clocks than server parts. We have a different characterization.

OK, so should we consider:
PII x6-1095: 3.2GHz/140W TDP
PII x6-1075: 3.0GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1055: 2.8GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1035: 2.6GHz/95W TDP * (EDIT: fixed)
?

[charged3800z24]

OK, so should we consider:
PII x6-1095: 3.2GHz/140W TDP
PII x6-1075: 3.0GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1055: 2.8GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1075: 2.6GHz/95W TDP
?

I can see that being the case. Not to far out of reach. Thought your model numbers look strange though, 1075 2.6 and 1075 3.0 .

[gOJDO]

I can see that being the case. Not to far out of reach. Thought your model numbers look strange though, 1075 2.6 and 1075 3.0 .

I copy-pasted it Now, it's fixed.

[[XC] Oj101]

I thought there weren't plans for a 140w chip?

[=SOC= Admiral]

I want that 1075. Would be pretty nice for folding. And if its a black edition then defiantly. I know it would be better than my current Phenom II x3 720 BE I have clocked at 3.4 but the biggest variable for me is the Price. As I plan if the price is right to get the MSI 870A GD60 Hydra and if the price is right I would also consider getting a 1075. Otherwise Im getting a mobo and waiting for the Bulldozers but even the mobo is a variable is i can figure out if MSI will put anything better out with the Hydra for the Bulldozers.

[EnJoY]

I thought there weren't plans for a 140w chip?

Not for launch. That doesn't mean they can't release one later on. Doesn't mean they will though.

[Manicdan]

i hope they release a 140W version, its more money in their pocket for the same size chip and lets them compete with intel just that much more. i could see quantity being the first thing to figure out if only a few chips can reach that bin. i think once we see the volts and clocks and actual power draw, we can guess with better accuracy.

[Chickenfeed]

i7-980x is made on another production process. Unlike i7's, the PII x6 and PII x4are going to be produced on the same production process.

Thuban and Deneb have the same architecture. Thuban will have some parts of the logic redesigned due to the functionality requirements of the extra 2 cores.(just like the i7-980x)

They have exactly the same architecture, but Gulftown has few parts of the logic redesigned(like the L3) and upgraded (like the microcode).

I think that the performance difference in these apps, between a same clocked PII x4 and PII x6 is going to be bigger than the difference between Bloomfield and Gulftown. Due to software limitations(capability of using the available threads), the performance benefits of the additional threads are going to be deminished.

Anyway, we need PII x6 clocked at 3GHz or more. Otherwise it would be like a doungrade for those who already have 3.2/3.4GHz PII x4 in their systems.

Thank you very much As much as I figured.

[FlanK3r]

T is as Turbo(turbocore). Example, Phenom II X4 960T is codename Zosma, not Thuban. And Phenom II X6 1055T is codename Thuban.

[Helloworld_98]

might get the 1035T for a HTPC/Video conversion server build if power usage is low enough

[tbone8ty]

but if its priced at $350 phenom x6 would be awesome

[Hell Hound]

If mobo makers dont update bios that's half of their buyer's gone.Not everyone will trade a p2 x4 for p2 x6 if they have to change whole platform.

[dartaz]

I'm sure some sites will have a clock-for-clock comparison between a X4 9xx and a X4 9xxT and we will find out.

Clock for clock, they would perform equally. There is no doubt about that. Both have same architecture and same L3 cache size

[qcmadness]

@ajaidev
Some minor tweaks, few basic features and extra two cores are not making Thuban and Gulftown a new architectures over Deneb and Bloomfield (respectively). Their cores, pipelines, execution units, buffers, prefetchers, OoO engines, core caches, predictors and etc. are the same. So, it's the same architecture, just like all the K8 variants: 130, 90 and 65nm: s754 with single channel DDR ODMC, s939 with dual channel DDR ODMC and with and without SSE3, dual core s939, sAM2.
A different architecture is for example K10 over K8, or Nehalem over Penryn.

OK, so should we consider:
PII x6-1095: 3.2GHz/140W TDP
PII x6-1075: 3.0GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1055: 2.8GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1035: 2.6GHz/95W TDP * (EDIT: fixed)
?

It was supposed that PIIx6 1095T to be 2.8GHz part