Which 4890?

[tuanster1119]

True - although these O/C versions sitting @ 950mhz must either be nicely binned and/or running a little more volts.
And at the same time carrying good cooling.

The ASUS being the same price but with the stock cooling could render any volt/clock gains not so friendly with the extra heat produced.

Agree/disagree?

I don't agree. The current pre overclocked versions are running at settings that are easily achievable on stock cards with the reference cooler. The upcoming models that are already set to 1ghz may be using more voltage to achieve 1ghz. Nobody really knows until we start to see them hit retail.

I'm running my card at 1ghz core, 4.5ghz memory with the stock cooler and the voltage bumped up to 1.375v. The load temps rarely ever get above 70*C under load. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to push the card even further once I get the car on water. Regardless of what people say, I think that ATI's stock cooler is one of the best in the business as far as cooling performance is concerned. Yea it can get loud but that's only under load. At idle the thing is basically silent.

[R31Nismoid]

I dont mind O/S prices provided, as long as you say where they are from so i can roughly workout a conversion and add the bullsheet AUS margins

Only issue is we dont get every model avaliable to us over here, and when they do come in at times it can be a good 1-2months behind the rest of the entire world... short of maybe antartica

[R31Nismoid]

I don't agree. The current pre overclocked versions are running at settings that are easily achievable on stock cards with the reference cooler. The upcoming models that are already set to 1ghz may be using more voltage to achieve 1ghz. Nobody really knows until we start to see them hit retail.

I'm running my card at 1ghz core, 4.5ghz memory with the stock cooler and the voltage bumped up to 1.375v. The load temps rarely ever get above 70*C under load. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to push the card even further once I get the car on water. Regardless of what people say, I think that ATI's stock cooler is one of the best in the business as far as cooling performance is concerned. Yea it can get loud but that's only under load. At idle the thing is basically silent.

Seems some of the reviews seem to hit a wall around 940-960 in some instances.
Other reviews seem to get a bit more.

So obviously some are better than others, i wouldnt be too happy if i took my chances, bet on a 850 giddy'in up to 950-980 and then it caps out @ 900.

That wouldnt sit very well so i'm happy to fork out the minor different for a little bit of certainty there

[R31Nismoid]

The XFX Black 1ghz just landed here
Its beyond ridiculous for pricing
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=11594

XFX Black - $535!!!
950mhz PCS+ - $380

$155 diffence
The pricing difference is worse than i imagined, im 100% happy i decided on a PCS+ now.

Thanks for the help people

[Michowski]

I dont understand why you would pay for an overclocked card vs just overclocking it yourself. Its not hard to do.

[gOtVoltage]

Some times people just want or Need 100% stock running high clocked card for what ever build.


Thats the whole point of High Colcked warrented cards.

Do like i DO,, See what Stock clocked Do 1st online,, Buy one,, Then Crank the Crap to the moon .

[Michowski]

I got the xfx 4890 with stock 850mhz core. Right now its 940 still on stock cooling. Fan never has gone above 40% either. Thats with several hours at a time gaming. Temps hover around the 70c range. All I did was just turn up core and memory and in ccc I tested the custom clocks. I went as high as I can go with the card 100% stock and all is good. In total it was about 10 minutes of oc'ing and just non stop gaming after that.

[lee143]

Many of the pre-clocked cards are binned chips with even more potential to be overclocked further. That's why there's value in getting one of them.

[R31Nismoid]

I dont understand why you would pay for an overclocked card vs just overclocking it yourself. Its not hard to do.

Back to page one with the binning - if this is indeed occuring and the 950mhz PCS+ is one of those, then a 950mhz is going to better in terms of where it can move to a 850mhz

Meaning its more likely i'll hit 1ghz while you are @ 940
So i get a XFX Black edition for $150 less, while you get a PCS+ for $40 less (in AUD terms)

[_galactic_]

ATI Radeon HD 4890 Roundup (ASUS, Diamond, HIS, Sapphire, XFX)



http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...phire-xfx.html

[Glow9]

Theres 3 new insanely nice cooled Saphires. Anyone know if XFX is going to put out some affordable high clocked nice models too?

[Michowski]

OK I thought those higher mhz chips were just bumped up and saved in the bios. I always figured it was the same end result, you just payed to have them do the oc'ing. Learned something new.

[purecain]

i would of liked to of seen all cards have their bios flashed to the same one for another comparison....

then we know it is definatly the actual binning process which is producing the 1ghz cards(as well as bumped voltage)....

[OC Nub]

The XFX Black 1ghz just landed here
Its beyond ridiculous for pricing
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=11594

XFX Black - $535!!!
950mhz PCS+ - $380

$155 diffence
The pricing difference is worse than i imagined, im 100% happy i decided on a PCS+ now.

Thanks for the help people

OMG!!! those prices price are insane.

[R31Nismoid]

Yep - This is Australia... the land to profiteer wherever possible because most O/S places dont ship (ie, Newegg)... if they did ship, it would work out $30 cheaper on say a 4870 overall.
So it would lead slowly to people either going to newegg, or AUS people pricing things without trying to make the extra $$ here and there



In other news - PCS+ has arrived as per attached

[perkam]

I demand Hi-Res In-game PICS !!!

Congrats

Perkam

[Razrback16]

I sold off a HIS ICEQ4 4850 1GB recently and im currently using a spare 4850 but it's a friends and i need to return shortly

So that means its 4890 time
I've been reading various reports about the fan noise of stock 4890 cooling and wondering if there is a card/brand that perhaps offers a better solution to it all?

PowerColor Radeon HD4890
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=11078

Or

Something with an aftermarket cooling setup (and generally is overclocked)
PowerColor Radeon HD4890 PCS+
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=11466

With the PCS+ im worried about the fan being in the middle and some of the card missing out on the airflow (i cant remember the part name under the heatsink near the end of the car, just that it needs decent/active )

PowerColor's seem to be the cheapest here in AUS at present so ill be going down that route unless there is compelling reason to go with another brand?
Or is there an aftermarket option that works better again (but still makes the overall price not too harsh).

Any ideas/pointers?

Cheers!

I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, just wanted to say I just picked up an HIS and Sapphire 4890 (Reference) and installed them in Crossfire on Monday -- the fans are very reasonable just letting the card's BIOS control them without any tweaking. Even in gaming they are pretty quiet. I'm sure they're not spooling up much above 40-50% but it's not "loud" by any means.

[W1zzard]

the powercolor pcs sample i had uses a very high gpu voltage to reach higher clocks, doesnt look like special binning to me.

i am reviewing the sapphire vaporx 4890 right now and i have to say i'm very impressed. the card is very quiet. uses reference design (= volterra voltage regulators with software control). overclocking is quite limited on my sample though.

[R31Nismoid]

I wish i could check my voltage to have a look!

But alas... C++ 2008 wont install - spits out some 1935 VC90 error.
For 3hrs now I've scoured the net with no clear fix at all so i kinda give up. CBF'd with microsoft bull problems tonight, perhaps in a couple of days or something i might have more time to waste on ty software

[R31Nismoid]

hoho, last google before bed got it working... pity the PCS+ card gives the error its not reported (from the Riva Pluging/Volt increase thread)

will keep looking into it



W1zzard - how are you checking the voltages on yours?

[R31Nismoid]

Well my PCS+ certainly isn't binned or anything special... 960mhz GPU limit, and 1050mhz is about the mem limit, i cant even get to 1100mhz on the memory.
Little black artifacts if i ask anymore of it basically other than factory (FurMark with 4x MSAA and 1280x1024 in stability mode)


At least the fan is quiet, suppose i can pretend that justifies the extra cash over the standard one considering a standard one could do what i am doing...
Ah well, either way its a good card and will last me a year pretty easily!

[Falkentyne]

What GPU voltage?
If that's stock, you should reach 1 ghz easily with 1.4v.

[purecain]

@R31Nismoid....use RBE to modify the 3D voltage register to 1.375-1.4v and say hello to 1ghz....

[Darth_Penguin]

I take it when water cooling these cards 1.4 volts is safe?

[Falkentyne]

You guys are lucky though. my card only goes to 970 mhz with no artifacts and that's at 1.4v. (memory goes to 1150).

I guess my card is the worst one ever, right?