The Importances of Standoff's on FC blocks.

[Eddy_EK]

XSPC can do it right for 99$ .... why?, Eddy, why? I am seriously considering sending back my nickel FC's right now and I really REALLY don't want to have to

Hi there,

I'll be honest with you. There are few reasons why we don't use standoffs.
1. I have mounted many blocks on cards and found no need for this as I can find optimal pressure for the block quickly.
2. for standoffs we need at lease 1,2mm more copper material (which is about 15% more material and this is $$$)
3. more machining which costs from 25€-35€ per hour.

XSPC makes blocks in Asia which significantly drops the production costs. Many other brands are also making blocks in Asia... But we are determinate to keep the quality control in our hands as that is very hard to achieve in Asia.

I know we have to be better, to make it better, so the less experienced users can mount the block without any problem. We are already using standoffs for Alu parts at 4870 and 4850 blocks.

I promise you we will start seriously to find solution to this, to provide you the standoffs for et least next coming water blocks if not for the present ones.
Options are:
- plastic standoffs that are additionally glued to the copper
- metal standoffs that are additionally glued to the copper
- full copper one-piece standoffs like XSPC and some others have it

Anything else, feel free to contact me on our e-mails info@ek.....

Eddy

[Waterlogged]

Hi there,

I'll be honest with you. There are few reasons why we don't use standoffs.
1. I have mounted many blocks on cards and found no need for this as I can find optimal pressure for the block quickly.
2. for standoffs we need at lease 1,2mm more copper material (which is about 15% more material and this is $$$)
3. more machining which costs from 25€-35€ per hour.

XSPC makes blocks in Asia which significantly drops the production costs. Many other brands are also making blocks in Asia... But we are determinate to keep the quality control in our hands as that is very hard to achieve in Asia.

I know we have to be better, to make it better, so the less experienced users can mount the block without any problem. We are already using standoffs for Alu parts at 4870 and 4850 blocks.

I promise you we will start seriously to find solution to this, to provide you the standoffs for et least next coming water blocks if not for the present ones.
Options are:
- plastic standoffs that are additionally glued to the copper
- metal standoffs that are additionally glued to the copper
- full copper one-piece standoffs like XSPC and some others have it

Anything else, feel free to contact me on our e-mails info@ek.....

Eddy

Danger Den machines their standoffs on their current blocks and I'd be more than willing to bet that their machining costs are very similar to yours Eddy.

There are plenty of ppl that have had problems mounting non standoff blocks lately and some of them are very experienced ppl. It's gone beyond the newb looking stupid for no reason and that's not a good thing.

[Movieman]

Suggestion from an old fart?
What about a simple round holed plastic insert sized properly and dropped in the parts bag with a simple diagram on where they go for the uninformed.
That should keep your end down and satisfy the crazed folks here..
Yes? No? Go back and crawl in my hole?

[LeeH]

Suggestion from an old fart?
What about a simple round holed plastic insert sized properly and dropped in the parts bag with a simple diagram on where they go for the uninformed.
That should keep your end down and satisfy the crazed folks here..
Yes? No? Go back and crawl in my hole?

I went down to my local True Value Hardware and picked up a bunch of nylon parts to use as standoffs when I was having trouble getting screws the right length to attach fans to my radiator with a shroud. Works great and real cheap. I don't have any holes in my radiator.

It is true that the FC blocks should cover that issue and no block should have that problem. However, the type of experimenters we are should see the issue, advise the manufacturer and then find our own work around solution. Is this any different than the nylon standoffs provided with a RadBox?

Cordially,

Another old fart.

[IanY]

XSPC makes blocks in Asia which significantly drops the production costs. Many other brands are also making blocks in Asia... But we are determinate to keep the quality control in our hands as that is very hard to achieve in Asia.

Woah!! Take it easy on the Asia stereotyping and outright bashing there. That's about as sweeping a generalization as I have ever seen. Are you insinuating that there's poor quality in all Asian made products? Or that its impossible to ensure quality consistency if products are manufactured in Asia?

Where you choose to manufacture your blocks obviously has direct bearing on labour and production costs. Its your own decision where to manufacture.

I won't go further than that, although I can write a whole novel in response. That can be construed as highly offensive. This xenophobia and hatred is not smart. Remember that you have a lot of Asian customers.

RRR will whip out some Vincent blocks and we can take it from there.

[Eddy_EK]

Woah!! Take it easy on the Asia stereotyping and outright bashing there. That's about as sweeping a generalization as I have ever seen. Are you insinuating that there's poor quality in all Asian made products? Or that its impossible to ensure quality consistency if products are manufactured in Asia?

Where you choose to manufacture your blocks obviously has direct bearing on labour and production costs. Its your own decision where to manufacture.

I won't go further than that, although I can write a whole novel in response. That can be construed as highly offensive. This xenophobia and hatred is not smart. Remember that you have a lot of Asian customers.

RRR will whip out some Vincent blocks and we can take it from there.

I did not say it is impossible but it is hard... Don't go so hard on me

[IanY]

I did not say it is impossible but it is hard... Don't go so hard on me

OK. I apologize to you