AMD now worth less than Youtube

[Shintai]

If AMD were forced to sell out, the buyer would come from the East side I imagine... a giant like Samsung maybe?

And they would make what CPUs? Because they sure wont be x86 CPUs. Unless Samsung gets a new x86 license from Intel. And thats not gonna happen.

AMD is absicly worthless for buying, since it will lose almost all its worth in the process. You will sit back with buildings and fabs roughly and thats all. If AMD had a valid "resell" x86 license. Their stock price would be alot higher.

[Rovtar]

heh joke...

i just hope that amd will get out of this sh*t....

[knightwolf654]

no way their gunna get out of this fun unless people start buying their stuff. but i'm 1 out of like 20 that will. you want to see them stay around then buy their stuff.

[Omastar]

no way their gunna get out of this fun unless people start buying their stuff. but i'm 1 out of like 20 that will. you want to see them stay around then buy their stuff.

Or they could make a CPU that doesn't suck. I'm not going to buy an inferior product just to keep around a company who can't pull their own ass out of the fire. That's not my responsibility as a consumer.

[dinos22]

how about Intel will buy it and then close it, no competition anymore, lol!

and then the US gov't will pull apart Intel for monopolising the market

[Nanometer]

Anti-trust laws probably won't allow Intel to buy AMD.

that's not how antitrust works. Coke Cola has at least 60 percent market share, and they can still buy more if they wish. They get away by using other names besides Coke Cola on their products. Intel can do it if they keep AMD's name.

[knightwolf654]

Or they could make a CPU that doesn't suck. I'm not going to buy an inferior product just to keep around a company who can't pull their own ass out of the fire. That's not my responsibility as a consumer.

lies like that is what keep people from buy them, it is not a inferior product it is still competitive, a few % difference is not enough to say this product is crap no one should buy it.

[Shaggy]

Now would be an ideal time for someone to take AMD's place as intels primary competitor. Like Texas Instruments or Motorola.

[Fixxxer]

lies like that is what keep people from buy them, it is not a inferior product it is still competitive, a few % difference is not enough to say this product is crap no one should buy it.

I shoudn't call it "a few % difference". AMD hasn't done the homework and now is getting what deserves. K10 is a total failure.

At least with the ATI 38x0 family is doing well.

[nemrod]

AMD is absicly worthless for buying, since it will lose almost all its worth in the process. You will sit back with buildings and fabs roughly and thats all. If AMD had a valid "resell" x86 license. Their stock price would be alot higher.

You could now buy ATI + Fabs + R&D for the price of ATI, not so bad, is it.


(ok at this point ATI + AMD fab doesn't produce good gpus, but if gpu was the most important product, perhaps fabs could produce...)

[zerazax]

that's not how antitrust works. Coke Cola has at least 60 percent market share, and they can still buy more if they wish. They get away by using other names besides Coke Cola on their products. Intel can do it if they keep AMD's name.

Uh that's cause PepsiCo. is rivals with Coca Cola Co. and they are actually pretty close to one another in market share. Hardly monopolozing the market.

The second Intel even thinks about buying AMD, which owns essentially 90% of the rest of the market from Intel, is when they start talks to break them up. No company is going to own 95% of the market.

Also, if AMD goes down and there is no x86 license, they're still valuable because technological know how + real assets like fabs and so on don't just dissappear. You don't think companies like Samsung, TI, and Motorla wouldn't want to take advantage of this suddenly new open market? You'd be sorely mistaken if you didn't think so

[The_Beast]

haha..

intel will buy it

then maybe they will be able to turn a profit

[zabomb4163]

You could now buy ATI + Fabs + R&D for the price of ATI, not so bad, is it.

wrong. you could buy ATI+fabs + 5 1/2 billion dollars in debt for what ATI used to cost. You'd still pay exactly the same price for ATI that AMD did because AMD paid for it with debt.

[grunge100]

Shintai,

Please show me a link covering every aspect of the agreement between AMD and Intel concerning the X86 license.

Thanks.

[Hornet331]

it was posted allready a bazilliontimes in similar threads like this one... move your lazy butt and search on your own...

[Omastar]

lies like that is what keep people from buy them, it is not a inferior product it is still competitive, a few % difference is not enough to say this product is crap no one should buy it.

The FACT that Phenom is INFERIOR to Core is not a LIE. Note the capitalized words (they're the important ones). For me to buy Phenom, it would have to outperform Core 2 Duo/Quad by 10%, not underperform it. I know this is a terribly difficult concept for a fanboy to accept, but please, spare me the indignity of having people believe they should buy a product just to keep the company afloat. That's their job, not mine.

[Bobsama]

I'd say Phenom is a good buy if the complete "Spider" platform was actually available while being well-priced. Phenom is vapor-ware on top of a paper launch. Radeon 38xx made a hard launch but now they (DAMMIT) can't produce enough. More already! AMD CPUs don't sell so well so convert a fab to make GPUs instead. I know you can't use SOI on graphics, so it'd take a bit of an investment... but considering that nVidia has about 60% of the deticated graphics share, it should be fine to compete against nVidia more effectively.

The only new scenario that I could see is if VIA and AMD partnered up--and VIA starts releasing reasonable mainstream processors. Remember that VIA also has an x86 license--as seen by their Eden C7 processors still being produced and sold new.

[nemrod]

Shintai,

Please show me a link covering every aspect of the agreement between AMD and Intel concerning the X86 license.

Thanks.

Some points are confidential but you have the main part here:
http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.c...001.01.01.html

And the part you search is:

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(a) A party may terminate the other party's rights and licenses
hereunder upon notice if the other party hereto commits a
material breach of this Agreement and does not correct such
breach within sixty (60) days after receiving written notice
complaining thereof. In the event of such termination, the
rights and licenses granted to the defaulting party shall
terminate, but the rights and licenses granted to the party
not in default shall survive such termination of this
Agreement subject to its continued compliance with the terms
and conditions of this Agreement.

/..../

(7) the other party undergoes a Change of Control. For
purposes of this Section 6.2(b)(7), "Change of Control"
shall mean a transaction or a series of related
transactions in which (i) one or more related parties
who did not previously own at least a fifty percent
(50&#37 interest in a party to this Agreement obtain at
least a fifty percent (50%) interest in such party, and,
in the reasonable business judgment of the other party
to this Agreement, such change in ownership will have a
material effect on the other party's business, or (ii) a
party acquires, by merger, acquisition of assets or
otherwise, all or any portion of another legal entity
such that either the assets or market value of such
party after the close of such transaction are greater
than one and one third (1 1/3) of the assets or market
value of such party prior to such transaction.

So if AMD is bought by another compagny, Intel keep right on all contribution of AMD to x86 but doesn't grant anymore any licence for the other compagny...

[KTE]

That's very bad.

[nemrod]

That's very bad.

You could say also that is very thought. and not so illogical that fathers of x86 protect themselfs...

[KTE]

You could say also that is very thought.

I don't understand what you mean there nemrod

[nemrod]

I don't understand what you mean there nemrod

I was thinking your comment was related to mine above showing agreement.

[Zytek_Fan]

If anyone buys AMD (or does a lovely majority investment, so it's not a complete buyout) it'll be Siemens AG. AMD is really essential to Saxony's economy, and losing AMD would cause a huge hit to Saxony.

Also Siemens has the expertise and resources that would allow them to partake in such a venture...

[KTE]

OK. My comment was towards the original post nemrod. Very bad condition for AMD.

[knightwolf654]

The FACT that Phenom is INFERIOR to Core is not a LIE. Note the capitalized words (they're the important ones). For me to buy Phenom, it would have to outperform Core 2 Duo/Quad by 10%, not underperform it. I know this is a terribly difficult concept for a fanboy to accept, but please, spare me the indignity of having people believe they should buy a product just to keep the company afloat. That's their job, not mine.

please call me a fanboy cause i am but seems you cant seem to come out the closet yes phenom is a little slower then kensfield o well. sure when it comes to overclocking its not the greatest, o well. what ever. its STILL A OPTION. especially for people who dont want to dish out $250 every time a new cpu comes out, READ MY WORDS ITS NOT A FAILURE plane and simple. jeez
learn to read and understand then reply. if its priced like it is now, once AMD gets 45nm down can you say cheap quads? yes for AMD no for intel.