NEWS AM2 Info

[[XC] leviathan18]

they might change their mind but i see inminent the change to AM2 this year

is stated by AMD they are going to use DDR2 several times and now with this interactive road map they said it again.

DDR 3 as they said before is coming for 2008

and my guess is 65nm (UnG said is 64nm btw) will be here by the end of this year

i cant believe amd is going to wait more than 1 year to change they plataform again with conroe coming next.

and all what i said except when is coming the 65nm chips are in that interactive road map

[wat0n]

http://www.amdcompare.com/prodoutlook/

better check this, 65nm is going to be used in the AM2 not socket 939 forget about that

virtualization and DDRII in the near future DDR3 is coming 2008

http://www.amdcompare.com/techoutlook/

thx, i wanted to know when could ddr3 be for amd

anyways, how big would the performance boost be for single cores? would it justify the high prices at beggining? and for dual cores?

[Piotrsama]

and all what i said except when is coming the 65nm chips are in that interactive road map

And that's (probably) because things are not going smooth on the 65nm transition...
Let's hope they can get it right before 2007 :thumbsup:

[[XC] leviathan18]

well i guess amd doesnt have any problems with 65nm because they are using ibm technology but what do i know?


for 2008 i expect no more single cores and just dual core and more cores

2007 bring the lvl 3 cache and HTT 3

[Piotrsama]

well i guess amd doesnt have any problems with 65nm because they are using ibm technology but what do i know?

Things aren't smooth for IBM either, that's why I said that :thumbsup:
Good Read:
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00885/

[Cooper]

well i guess amd doesnt have any problems with 65nm because they are using ibm technology but what do i know?


for 2008 i expect no more single cores and just dual core and more cores

2007 bring the lvl 3 cache and HTT 3

And that`s the year of my next upgrade
Really multi-core cpus would surely benefit from DDR3 and by that time it`s gonna be awfully cheap

[[XC] leviathan18]

Things aren't smooth for IBM either, that's why I said that :thumbsup:
Good Read:
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00885/

pretty interesting read but amd stated first AM2 will be 90nm so if they release AM2 april or may i guess we'll see 65nm by the end of this year and then im going to change

[nn_step]

I still stand by my statement it is still a year away

[[XC] leviathan18]

well i can assure we will see AM2 before this year end

[nn_step]

Yes we will see it but it will not become Retail..

[HKPolice]

"This circumstance could become significant, as the performance difference between the current Socket 939 processors and their upcoming Socket M2 counterparts will be rather small, according to sources."

Just as I predicted... benefits will be minimal, probably 5% overall, just like the jump from S754 to S939.

But the newer cores will probably provide at least 200Mhz boost in overclocking potential.

[nn_step]

Think Socket A to Socket 754.. not 754 to 939...

[HKPolice]

Think Socket A to Socket 754.. not 754 to 939...

LOL sorry but you're wrong. Socket A to 754 = lots of core tweaks + intergrated mem controller which is where MOST of the performance boost came from.

S754 to S939 = double the memory bandwidth and nothing else, which is basically what S939 to AM2 is. In fact, the stock memory speed is supposed to be 333Mhz DDR2 compared to 200Mhz for S939, so it's not even actually doubling the bandwidth.

[thephenom]

Yes we will see it but it will not become Retail..

As far as I remember, AM2 is made by AMD, not ATI. AMD doesn't do paper launches or limited quantities like video card does. And since the CPU is still 90nm process, there shouldn't be any yield problems either. 65nm might come out late, but I don't see any reason why the 90nm chip would be delayed.

Think Socket A to Socket 754.. not 754 to 939...

lol, Socket A to 754 was a huge change, AM2 is just a switch to DDR2, the bandwidth won't increase that much just as HKPolice mentioned.

[nn_step]

AMD Hasn't Launched it YET PEOPLE..
M2 isn't going to Be DDR2 no matter what you may think

[thephenom]

AMD Hasn't Launched it YET PEOPLE..
M2 isn't going to Be DDR2 no matter what you may think

DDR3 is set to begin SAMPLING in late 2006.

So to hit retail, it'd be at least 2007.

Why does EVERYONE keep saying Socket M2 is Going to Be DDR2.. We went over this Already it is going to be DDR3.. Does anyone here honestly Think AMD is going to start Using a Technology that Intel itself rejected?

How did Intel reject DDR2? DDR2 is used on current P4s, Pentium Ms, and upcoming Yonah. So what kinda of "rejection" is that?

I think I should have a $2000 bet that AM2 is going to be DDR2. (Just enough so I can buy a AM2 CPU, mobo and some nice DDRs)

[[XC] leviathan18]

AMD Hasn't Launched it YET PEOPLE..
M2 isn't going to Be DDR2 no matter what you may think

so you tell me why amd roadmap says DDR2 for 2006 and DDR3 for 2008 and this roadmap is fairly new no more than 2 months

[perkam]

Socket M2 will be using ddr2. Thats because AMD will be looking to release the platform in q3 06 by the latest, seeing as Conroe will start creeping up on it real fast if it doesn't. Also, Intel is the company that will decide when DDR3 will enter the market due to its influence, and it isn't anytime soon.

AMD will have a tough time trying to churn out 65-nm chips from fab36 if it doesn't rack up decent revenues in 06...currently all chips coming out of there are 90nm.

Perkam

[[XC] leviathan18]

but if what ive read is correct they are making test in fab30 to see if the cpus runs ok im pretty confident we will AM2 pretty soon and 65nm by the end of this year and DDR2 not DDR3

[perkam]

True....but most will have little reason to go to cas 4 from cas 2 if they aren't given a good incentive...such as 65nm processors. Perhaps you're right and they'll be giving "the promise" of 65nm on AM2 for later on...but there'll be little need to upgrade from 939 at AM2 Launch.

Perkam

[[XC] leviathan18]

at launch never is good to upgrade im going to upgrade from 939 to am2 by the end of this year when i see more chipsets and mobo revisions

DDR 667 with some more voltage perhaps can make lower latencies or always we can use corsair 8000u

there 1 ballistix kit 512 x 2 @ 3-3-3-12 and other 1gig stick with the same timming DDR 2 667 i guess they are pretty good

[Piotrsama]

but most will have little reason to go to cas 4 from cas 2 if they aren't given a good incentive...

From the article on the first post:

While Intel's chipset specifications officially support 4 clock CAS latencies for DDR2-667 memory only, there is some headroom for AMD to optimize the memory interface for CAS 3.

Maybe we get 667 at 3 cas.

[[XC] leviathan18]

well in newegg you can see them but the 1gig stick of crucial costs 200 and the 2gig kit is 406$ the 1 kit 512mb x 2 costs 190

mmm i want to see reviews with the am2 with these memories

[perkam]

From the article on the first post:

Maybe we get 667 at 3 cas.

DDR2 667 was done on cas 3 long ago...we are now at DDR2 800 at cas 3. Check the x3d section for fugger's results...its been about 3/4 months since low latency DDR2 has been out. However, as yet only Micron's D9 DDR2 chips are capable of it...but they are available in quanitity.

Perkam

[[XC] leviathan18]

in quantity and pretty expensive too