p4gd1 torture chamber

[cirthix]

its nice to see you here at xtremesystems

every person here will recommend you get a dothan for your p4gd1 :P.

anything special to get it working on a p4gd1? nope, should fire up first try, the bios flashing is only because the shipping bios does not support the adapter, it needs bios 1005 or 1006 to work. The first thing i did was flash to 1006, but if you're using a p4, it probably wont matter.

the vidimm mods are only necessary if your ram needs over 2.9v to keep up with your fsb. most ram doesnt, its mainly for winbond chips.

quick and dirty for this board? flash to 1006, put pcie to the highest it will work stably, bump the vcore a bit. then use clockgen, increasing slowly untill you cant run superpi1m, then back down untill you can run 32m. then back down about 50mhz (on the core), you should be stable there. run prime95 overnight if you want.

your northwood will probably hit around 3.7 with a decent heatsink and a little extra voltage

[Ratax]

I just can't download the software kit...
can someone host it in a different server?

[saaya]

its nice to see you here at xtremesystems

every person here will recommend you get a dothan for your p4gd1 :P.

anything special to get it working on a p4gd1? nope, should fire up first try, the bios flashing is only because the shipping bios does not support the adapter, it needs bios 1005 or 1006 to work. The first thing i did was flash to 1006, but if you're using a p4, it probably wont matter.

the vidimm mods are only necessary if your ram needs over 2.9v to keep up with your fsb. most ram doesnt, its mainly for winbond chips.

quick and dirty for this board? flash to 1006, put pcie to the highest it will work stably, bump the vcore a bit. then use clockgen, increasing slowly untill you cant run superpi1m, then back down untill you can run 32m. then back down about 50mhz (on the core), you should be stable there. run prime95 overnight if you want.

your northwood will probably hit around 3.7 with a decent heatsink and a little extra voltage

i thougt the max stable pciE speed varies and depends on what fsb your running?

I just can't download the software kit...
can someone host it in a different server?

did you try it with internet explorer like i said?
if you click on the link you get a 15s countdown, then the page reloads and you get another 15 sec countdown, then you get a reload and can choose between ftp, http and p2p. http is the only one that works with firefox, for some reason this isnt available for the software pack though.

so use internet explorer and choose the ftop option.

if that doesnt work please report what error your getting.

hey Kainthelongshot, welcome to XtremeSystems
well id recommend you to get the 915 tweaker to change the memory timings in windows, and clockgen to change the fsb in windows.
now it depends opn what your looking for, max benchable speed or max stable speed.
to find the max bencheable speed superpi 1m is the best as its a very fast indication of what speed is more or less benchable and what not.

for stability you should use dual prime95 and s&m.
increase your fsb and cpu speeds until your system crashes/freezes/benchmark crashes, then increase vcore, or change other settings if vcore doesnt help, then increase the speed again until you hit the limit again.

and always watch your temps, for 24/7 i wouldnt go over 55°C load temps.
dont know if you get higher vcore options with a northwood on this board, but in case you can get 2v vcore dont use it
1.8v is the absolute max i would recommend for 24/7 for a northwood, id rather stay at 1.7 or 1.75

[Movieman]

Anyone with issues getting the software kit

PM me and I'll get it to you, either FTP or ICQ..

[cirthix]

i thougt the max stable pciE speed varies and depends on what fsb your running?

from my playing with it, the fsb should be UNDER 2.2 times the pcie. so right now i have it set to 107 in bios and fsb to 218 in bios. it gives me a little headroom for clockgen if i need it.


and i'll have tccd tomorrow, for a couple of days

[Ratax]

I just can't download the software kit...
can someone host it in a different server?

Thanks to Movieman for provide an ftp download for this files

saaya, I don't get any error... run through all the steps and when I'm on the last one it redirects to some link with crap movies or something and doesn't start downloading... Used Firefox and IE...

[Ratax]

I'm here trying my new system and decide to try the beta2 1007 bios because the few options 1006 has...

Well, no post with dothan and 1007 beta2, only had post when swap the cpu with a prescott.
Will flash 1005 to see if it's better.

So watch out if you don't have any other cpu to flash the board in case some bios doesn't recognize ct-479+dothan...

[saaya]

will add a warning
thx

[saaya]

oh and heres superpi mod 1.4, i will add it to the next version of the software pack

[saaya]

added memtest

[saaya]

Filefactory offers 3 download options, via ftp, http or p2p.
only the http one works for firefox, the ftp and p2p options only work with internet explorer.

if you have a problem downloading from filefactory please follow theese steps:
1. open a new internet explorer window
2. copy the following url and paste it into the new internet explorer window

http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=001ceb9180c25d31cccb4b98

3. hit enter
4. wait for the 15 seconds coundtown to pass
5. click on "continue to the download"
6. wait for the 2nd 15 seconds countdown to pass
7. choose the ftp download, right click "save as"

if you get a full screen banner/comercial at any time during this process then click on
"Click here to continue to File Factory" on top of the page.

if the download still doesnt work for some reason please contact Movieman via pm and he will hook you up to his ftp, thx a lot to Movieman again

[mrlobber]

will add a warning
thx

I think it was somewhere in stryg's Dothan thread that the 1007 bios for mysterious reasons is not compatible with the CT-479 & Dothan cpus.

[saaya]

well i guess they just didnt add the part of the bios for the pentium m yet.
i suspect they were only working on the main bios block for the board and didnt change anything pentium m specific.

somebody with bios modding skills should be able to add the pentium m block to the 1007 in no time
and adding memtest to the bios would be nice too!
imma see if i can find somebody to mod the bios

whats new in 1007 anyways?
higher volts? more settings? or just bugfixes?

[toledo]

somebody with bios modding skills should be able to add the pentium m block to the 1007 in no time
and adding memtest to the bios would be nice too!
imma see if i can find somebody to mod the bios

whats new in 1007 anyways?
higher volts? more settings? or just bugfixes?

I lot of guys have asked Big Toe to mod this bios , but no success so far . Why don´t you try ? BTW , multis on this board would be just great

[saaya]

i have absolutely no expirience in modding bios files man...
i can ask tictac, he owes me something...

[toledo]

i have absolutely no expirience in modding bios files man...
i can ask tictac, he owes me something...

I was not clear in my previous post . I meant try to ask BigToe , not try to mod the bios , maybe he listen you ,or give you more attention than he usually gives for the "regular " members . Me and Stryg already asked him os his bios mod thread , but no answer . And yes , TicTac is another option .

[saaya]

i asked tictac and tony, lets see if they can help us

[saaya]

Tips Tricks and Tweaks:
TIP: go to advanced -> jumper free configuration -> ai overclocking and set it to manual to get all the overclocking options
TIP: dram frequency auto = sets a 1:1 fsb:dram divider, fsb100:dram400 = actually sets an fsb:dram 5:4 divider and fsb100:dram533 is actually the fsb:dram 1:1 divider again. i tried all settings and combinations, setting the ct470 to 133fsb or 100fsb, booting at 133fsb or 100fsb or 101fsb and using pc2700 and pc3200 memory but i could get any other divider working.
TIP: go to advanced -> chipset configuration and set configure dram timings by spd to disabled to be able to set memory timings
TIP: 2.0-2-2 doesnt work for me with 2.9v even at only 150mhz. i had to set it to 2.0-2-3 or i would get memory corruption.
TIP: hyperpath 2 enabled or disabled didnt make a difference at all to me
TIP: the actualy vcore is a lot higher than what is actually set in bios
this is with a pentium m banaias 130nm:
1.1125v = ~1.200v
1.2125v = ~1.290v
1.3375v = ~1.410v
1.4375v = ~1.504v
1.5375v = ~1.600v
1.6625v = ~1.710v
TIP: the voltage readings in bios are pretty accurate, so if you increase vcore save to bios and reboot and enter bios again to see how high vcore is actually set.
TIP: vdd aka the chipset voltage is almost 0.2v lower than it should be according to the bios settings, to get really high fsbs you need a vdd mod to around 1.8v or higher
TIP: vdimm is pretty accurate, its 0.02v higher than whats set in bios.
to get more than 2.9v you can do the 3.3v rail to vdimm mod wich is pretty easy.
TIP: go to advanced -> onboard devices configuration and disable the ITE ide raid controller to speed up the boot process
TIP: go to advanced -> onboard devices configuration and disable all serial ports, game ports, onboard sound and onboard lan to make sure nothing is holding you back when ocing to the max
TIP: go to advanced -> usb configuration and disable the usb controllers to make sure its not holding you back when ocing to the max
TIP: use the EIST tool or CrystalCPUID to increase your multiplier and then increase the fsb bit by bit to find the max stable cpu speed
TIP: use the EIST tool or CrystalCPUID to lower your multiplier to find the max fsb/dram speed. if you think your memory is holding you back set the fsb100:dram400 divider wich results in a 5:4 fsb:dram divider to see if it was really the memory holding you back.
TIP: if you hit the fsb limit on your board increase the chipset voltage
TIP: if you hit the fsb limit on your board increase the pciE speed by 5mhz and see if you can get a higher fsb
TIP: the max fsb you can boot with is not the max fsb you can run in windows!
pentium m cpus initially boot with the default multiplier and fsb , then apply the fsb set in bios and then the multiplier set in bios. this means we cant boot at high fsbs because the stock multiplier with the increased fsb results in a huge cpu clock that crashes the cpu, even though this high clockspeed is only applied for a fraction of a second.
TIP: set the jumpers on your ct479 to 100fsb wich should give you a 10-20mhz fsb boost
TIP: always backup your hdd if your ocing so you dont lose anything if the hdd corrupts

[saaya]

i updated the first post, is it too hard to read letter size1?
is the blue ok or is it glowing too much?
any comments?

[Movieman]

i updated the first post, is it too hard to read letter size1?
is the blue ok or is it glowing too much?
any comments?

Perfect! Copy/paste to text, increase font to 14 for my aging eyes!
The amount of excellent info you guys have posted is amazing!
My thanks to all!

[saaya]

is this better?

Tips Tricks and Tweaks:

TIP: go to advanced -> jumper free configuration -> ai overclocking and set it to manual to get all the overclocking options
TIP: dram frequency auto = sets a 1:1 fsb:dram divider, fsb100:dram400 = actually sets an fsb:dram 5:4 divider and fsb100:dram533 is actually the fsb:dram 1:1 divider again. i tried all settings and combinations, setting the ct479 to 133fsb or 100fsb, booting at 133fsb or 100fsb or 101fsb and using pc2700 and pc3200 memory but i could get any other divider working.
TIP: go to advanced -> chipset configuration and set configure dram timings by spd to disabled to be able to set memory timings
TIP: 2.0-2-2 doesnt work for me with 2.9v even at only 150mhz. i had to set it to 2.0-2-3 or i would get memory corruption.
TIP: hyperpath 2 enabled or disabled didnt make a difference at all to me
TIP: the actual vcore is a lot higher than what is actually set in bios
this is with a pentium m banaias 130nm:
1.1125v = ~1.200v
1.2125v = ~1.290v
1.3375v = ~1.410v
1.4375v = ~1.504v
1.5375v = ~1.600v
1.6625v = ~1.710v
TIP: the voltage readings in bios are pretty accurate, so if you increase vcore save to bios, reboot and enter bios again to see how high vcore is actually set.
TIP: vdd aka the chipset voltage is almost 0.2v lower than it should be according to the bios settings, to get really high fsbs you need a vdd mod to around 1.8v or higher
TIP: vdimm is pretty accurate, its 0.02v higher than whats set in bios.
to get more than 2.9v you can do the 3.3v rail to vdimm mod wich is pretty easy.
TIP: go to advanced -> onboard devices configuration and disable the ITE ide raid controller to speed up the boot process
TIP: go to advanced -> onboard devices configuration and disable all serial ports, game ports, onboard sound and onboard lan to make sure nothing is holding you back when ocing to the max
TIP: go to advanced -> usb configuration and disable the usb controllers to make sure its not holding you back when ocing to the max
TIP: use the EIST tool or CrystalCPUID to increase your multiplier and then increase the fsb bit by bit to find the max stable cpu speed
TIP: use the EIST tool or CrystalCPUID to lower your multiplier to find the max fsb/dram speed. if you think your memory is holding you back set the fsb100:dram400 divider wich results in a 5:4 fsb:dram divider to see if it was really the memory holding you back.
TIP: if you hit the fsb limit on your board increase the chipset voltage
TIP: if you hit the fsb limit on your board increase the pciE speed by 5mhz and see if you can get a higher fsb
TIP: to get an even higher fsb and a higher cpu overclock as well check out hipro5's ct479 mods
TIP: the max fsb you can boot with is not the max fsb you can run in windows!
pentium m cpus initially boot with the default multiplier and fsb, then apply the fsb set in bios and then the multiplier set in bios. this means we cant boot at high fsbs because the stock multiplier with the increased fsb results in a huge cpu clock that crashes the cpu, even though this high clockspeed is only applied for a fraction of a second.
TIP: set the jumpers on your ct479 to 100fsb wich should give you a 10-20mhz fsb boost
TIP: always backup your hdd if your ocing so you dont lose anything if the hdd corrupts

[Movieman]

is this better?

Tips Tricks and Tweaks:

TIP: go to advanced -> jumper free configuration -> ai overclocking and set it to manual to get all the overclocking options
TIP: dram frequency auto = sets a 1:1 fsb:dram divider, fsb100:dram400 = actually sets an fsb:dram 5:4 divider and fsb100:dram533 is actually the fsb:dram 1:1 divider again. i tried all settings and combinations, setting the ct479 to 133fsb or 100fsb, booting at 133fsb or 100fsb or 101fsb and using pc2700 and pc3200 memory but i could get any other divider working.
TIP: go to advanced -> chipset configuration and set configure dram timings by spd to disabled to be able to set memory timings
TIP: 2.0-2-2 doesnt work for me with 2.9v even at only 150mhz. i had to set it to 2.0-2-3 or i would get memory corruption.
TIP: hyperpath 2 enabled or disabled didnt make a difference at all to me
TIP: the actual vcore is a lot higher than what is actually set in bios
this is with a pentium m banaias 130nm:
1.1125v = ~1.200v
1.2125v = ~1.290v
1.3375v = ~1.410v
1.4375v = ~1.504v
1.5375v = ~1.600v
1.6625v = ~1.710v
TIP: the voltage readings in bios are pretty accurate, so if you increase vcore save to bios, reboot and enter bios again to see how high vcore is actually set.
TIP: vdd aka the chipset voltage is almost 0.2v lower than it should be according to the bios settings, to get really high fsbs you need a vdd mod to around 1.8v or higher
TIP: vdimm is pretty accurate, its 0.02v higher than whats set in bios.
to get more than 2.9v you can do the 3.3v rail to vdimm mod wich is pretty easy.
TIP: go to advanced -> onboard devices configuration and disable the ITE ide raid controller to speed up the boot process
TIP: go to advanced -> onboard devices configuration and disable all serial ports, game ports, onboard sound and onboard lan to make sure nothing is holding you back when ocing to the max
TIP: go to advanced -> usb configuration and disable the usb controllers to make sure its not holding you back when ocing to the max
TIP: use the EIST tool or CrystalCPUID to increase your multiplier and then increase the fsb bit by bit to find the max stable cpu speed
TIP: use the EIST tool or CrystalCPUID to lower your multiplier to find the max fsb/dram speed. if you think your memory is holding you back set the fsb100:dram400 divider wich results in a 5:4 fsb:dram divider to see if it was really the memory holding you back.
TIP: if you hit the fsb limit on your board increase the chipset voltage
TIP: if you hit the fsb limit on your board increase the pciE speed by 5mhz and see if you can get a higher fsb
TIP: to get an even higher fsb and a higher cpu overclock as well check out hipro5's ct479 mods
TIP: the max fsb you can boot with is not the max fsb you can run in windows!
pentium m cpus initially boot with the default multiplier and fsb, then apply the fsb set in bios and then the multiplier set in bios. this means we cant boot at high fsbs because the stock multiplier with the increased fsb results in a huge cpu clock that crashes the cpu, even though this high clockspeed is only applied for a fraction of a second.
TIP: set the jumpers on your ct479 to 100fsb wich should give you a 10-20mhz fsb boost
TIP: always backup your hdd if your ocing so you dont lose anything if the hdd corrupts

Beauuuuuutiful!

[[_Silence_]]

Without vmoding the Chipset is it possible to get 180-200 FSB? Cause im having trouble with getting more than 160 FSB with an 780ES, even with 14x multi and mems (Redline XP4000) @ 140Mhzs 2-2-3-5.

[saaya]

thats very odd....
make sure its not the memory...
enabled the pci and pciE locks?
try a higher pciE speed... hmmm

[[_Silence_]]

thats very odd....
make sure its not the memory...
enabled the pci and pciE locks?
try a higher pciE speed... hmmm

PCI set 33Mhzs in bios and PCI-Express set to 120Mhzs, booting with 150 FSB mem with 5:4 diviser. No go with more than 160-165 FSB =(

EDIT: nvm Saaya, tried booting at 170FSB and 120Mhzs PCI-Ex and now it does 200+++ FSB =) Till now this 780ES (its ojdr2001 CPU as i'm his son :P) does 2860Mhzs 1.46v stable for SuperPi 1M with CT-479 stock cooler =)