Dothan vs San Deigo!!! Title Bout!!

[crotale]

zxlr8: You said both cards were AGP... Try the X800 with the Dothan, they like each other =)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8668925

[Dragonx21]

Best SPi 1m?

for now 25" liquid...

waiting...

[Cooper]

zxlr8: You said both cards were AGP... Try the X800 with the Dothan, they like each other =)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8668925

And those scores were done on air ???? Impressive !

[zxlr8]

Just looking at the clocks and scores, I would say the p4c800 is faster in 3d and slower in Spi than the p4p800se. Am I right?

[justwOo]

P4C800 is about 1 second faster in SuperPi than P4P800se I thought

[caater]

Just looking at the clocks and scores, I would say the p4c800 is faster in 3d and slower in Spi than the p4p800se. Am I right?

nope, p4p is still a bit behind in spi..

about your stuttering - mby bad IDE/sata drivers? intel hd controllers are known good performers.. and if that stuttering occurs when loading something.. might be related

[zxlr8]

Hmm. Ok maybe I will build a new dothan rig with a p4c800. What do you all think?

[Cooper]

I think how much for Asus p4p800se really

[zxlr8]

I would keep the other Dothan rig and just build another one, unless you made me an offer I could not refuse....

[Cooper]

Maybe later. Right now I`m on something else in my list.
P.S. Sorry for offtopic

[cadaveca]

ok wait a minute. comparing a system, or two systems, using different videocards, in real world applications, is not an apples to apples comparo for the cpu. When it comes to games, there's that nasty little TWIMTBP logo...and you know what that means? OPTIMIZATIONS. SO, when you say the system with the nvidia card is faster...i beleive you. But i don't beleive it's because of the CPU.


At equivelent clock speeds, the dothan is faster, imho. so, same clock speeds, same mem, same card, the dothan rig should be a hair faster, even in benches. But that's with everything the same. You better make sure to use the same PSU too.


I have a 7800gtx, as per my sig...and you know what? COlin mccrae rally '05...x800xt performs better. The only thing that this shows is that performance in any given situation is definately application specific.

[Cooper]

Well there is huge comparison test on XbitLabs

[zxlr8]

So cadaveca, do you get little spots of stutter when you first are dumped in a new map?

[crotale]

And those scores were done on air ???? Impressive !

Yes, all air and stock X800.
The X800 didn't clock that good on air, but we have a 36.4k score all air with some gfx clocks.

Here's SuperPi, 25.140
http://www.nordiccrew.com/crusader/s...46_25,140s.gif

[cadaveca]

So cadaveca, do you get little spots of stutter when you first are dumped in a new map?

depends on the game. BF2, for example...x850xtpe @ 620/620..yes, there was stutter. 7800GTX...still there, but it did not take 5 minutes for it to go away.

Now, this tells me that the problem is because textures have not been fetched appropriately, and seeing how the TWIWMTBP logo is on the back of the box of my BF2 case, i'd say that the app's programming was at fault...some people will remember the valve source engine doing kinda the same to nvidia, with water features.

Once the map has been loaded a few times on either card, there is no lag. I also find that the stutter lasts as long on my 9800xt based cards as it does with the x850xtpe...again, pointing to texture fetches.


but hey, whadda i know?

[Lithan]

Doublecheck your settings and drivers on the A64 rig. I've run the settings you are quoting on a stock 3200+ with a 6800gt and not had the problems you have.

[iboomalot]

I have gotten better since, but here is the sd benchie....
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8598889

and a bench from a similar Dothan system to mine....
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8676295

His is a lot higher, but with a lot more tweaks and better cooling.

just wondering I ran my 4400+ at 2793 and ran my X800XT at your speeds yet my Nature score was 191.8 vs your 265 .9 fps

whats the secret I need to know about???

[fareastgq]

I hear ya cadaveca, I'd have to agree, there's really no control in this test, many variables, who knows wtf is really going on. IMO the only thing that should be diff is the MB/CPU. Since it's not possible to have the same MB :P I give ya props for bringing it up thread guy, but not really a good comparison.

[crotale]

Most people in here already know that Dothan only owns A64 in SuperPi and thats about it, when comes to gaming, A64 is still king.

Not to start a fight here, but both macci and k|ngp|n have proven Dothan to be very powerful in other situations too.

But I totally agree, he should swap graphics cards to make it a better comparison.

[toledo]

when comes to gaming, A64 is still king. Just click on the link above that someone posted and you'll see what i mean.

Please don`t say that . It is already proven that does not work this way .

[p0rl1n]

yeah in that link they are running a 780m with the default 133mhz fsb speed, hardly an optimal setup.

[Elisha]

just wondering I ran my 4400+ at 2793 and ran my X800XT at your speeds yet my Nature score was 191.8 vs your 265 .9 fps

whats the secret I need to know about???

set all your 3d option sliders to performance and disable AA and AF.

[zxlr8]

Ok, I stuck the x800xt in the Dothan system and then in the freezer last night and started to bench. I used Cat Drivers 5.8. I was disapointed for sure. My video and processor both scaled really well. the 740 was stable to 2684 and the x800xt would bench nature @ 593, 590. (NO VMOD all-in-wonder) I saw some crazy fps in car low and drag low. 688!! Now the wierd thing is, the best bench I could do was 30500 and I did not have much time to bench. Today, I realized my mistake. I left the quality at normal. It took about 2 hours to get a decent bench and moving both rigs and replacing the video cards. Ugh! So by the time I was not getting good results, I decided to give up. I did get a 27 second superpi though. Ambient was about 19c....
I suppose some of the problem is the p4p800se is not a good benching mobo. I think the p4c800 and it was a lot better. My SD rig gets better scores at lower video clocks, so I know something was majorly wrong. I can see the problem with overclocking the Dothan now. You need better cooling. I was getting into windows @ 2700 no problem. My normal everyday oc is 2.58. Oh well. Seeems like a giant waste of time, but with some more time, I am sure I would have been 33-34k....

[PcCI2iminal]

a good comparo

Dothan @ 2750mhz and Venice @ 2950mhz

Dothan 2750 336 cpumarks


Venice 3200+ 2950 349 cpumarks



Pifast

Dothan 2744mhz 40.83 segs


Venice 3200+ 2950mhz 40.75segs



Everest

Dothan 2750mhz 5036 Mb/s


Venice 3200+ 2950mhz 7378 Mb/s



CPU Arithmetic

Dothan 2750mhz Dhrystone ALU 11816,Whetstone FPU/iSSE2 3836/4907


Venice 2950mhz Dhrystone ALU 12375,Whetstone FPU/iSSE2 4647/6051




CPU Multi media

Dothan 2750mhz Integer/floating point 26286/28972


Venice 3200+ 2950mhz Integer/floating point 27558/30195



SuperPi

Dothan 2750mhz 25 secs


Venice 3200+ 2950mhz 28.900 secs



3d benchs 7800GTX(500/1400)

P4GD1/Dothan @ 2750mhz and DFI/FX-55 @ 2950mhz

3d03
Dothan
20700 3dmarks
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4165119

FX-55 @ 2950mhz
19500 3dmrks
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4103957

3d05
Dothan 750 @ 2740mhz
9571 3dmarks
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1093860

FX-55 @ 2950mhz
9239 3dmarks
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1012069

3d01
Dothan @ 2744mhz
37127 3dmarks
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8673646

FX-55 @ 2950mhz
34XXX 3dmarks
no screen

Aqua03
Dothan @ 2750mhz
110 FPS
no screen

FX-55 @ 2950
100 FPS
no screen

[zxlr8]

That is an excellent comparison. That should be stickied!!!