Radeon HD 6850, 6870 prices climb skyward

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11-11-2010, 09:54 PM
cold2010

Radeon HD 6850, 6870 prices climb skyward

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About two and a half weeks have passed since AMD unveiled its Radeon HD 6850 and 6870 graphics cards. The new GPUs are formidable performers, and their aggressive introductory pricing led Nvidia to enact some price cuts of its own, making cards of that caliber more affordable all around. Good news, right? Yes, at least in theory. We've conducted one of our famous availability checks to see how widely available the new Radeons are, and whether they're as cheap as they should be

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Clearly, AMD is having a harder time meeting demand than Nvidia. We've asked AMD for an official comment and are awaiting a response. Stay tuned.

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http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19965

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11-11-2010, 09:57 PM
LordEC911

SRP/MSRP = SUGGESTED price
Not their fault or even AIBs fault that retailers are upping prices... very slight increases at that.

Edit- Comparing Barts to GF104 is ridiculous.
How about comparing it to GTX580... suppose to be $499 and they are at $559-$579.
11-11-2010, 10:38 PM
Carbon_Unit

Can someone translate what this means? Radeon cards are more popular? Or are in just short supply hence the price increases? Nvidia is being more aggressive in their pricing to try and gain market share?

I'm not sure what this information tells us, maybe nothing. :shrug:
11-11-2010, 10:47 PM
Glow9

This has happened to pretty much all AMD/ATI releases as of late. The 5850 went up in price and stayed at the same price for 6 months. It'll ease when it finds its market price. Nvidia needs to stream line their cards instead of quick launching counter card updates so its prices can chill instead of people waiting to see whats around the corner. Stability is good in a marketplace even if it is just for a few months. My 2 cents.
11-11-2010, 10:54 PM
Carbon_Unit

On second thought, maybe there is something to this after all. At least in Canada. :ROTF:

But free shipping.

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11-11-2010, 11:14 PM
JkS

I don't know if it is because of the Fed's quantitive easing, but if I was to buy that with my swedish money, it's dirt cheap.
11-11-2010, 11:46 PM
sutyi

Holiday season is nearing so prepare for hardware getting more expensive... thats how it works here in Hungary anyways.
11-12-2010, 12:50 AM
E30M3

Maybe Its a late paper launch from AMD
11-12-2010, 01:03 AM
Lmui

So new year same story?
11-12-2010, 01:18 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by E30M3

Its a late paper launch from AMD

availability doesn't reflect this at all, these things are selling like hot cakes are in stock at every retailer and they try to make as much money as possible with this card (i've been following the stock of the largest retailer in my country and they get ~200-300 new cards every week and almost completely sell them off within a week until they get a new shipment)

i thinkt hat nvidia didn't counteract hard enough and retailers realized that they can charger 20€/$ more without experiencing a significant drop in sales
11-12-2010, 02:16 AM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by generics_user

(i've been following the stock of the largest retailer in my country and they get ~200-300 new cards every week and almost completely sell them off within a week until they get a new shipment)

Same is happening at certain B&M stores in the US, specificly Fry's and Microcenter.
11-12-2010, 02:48 AM
AAbenson

sorry to distort this sensational journalism picture but actually in central EU the 6870 can be had for 209euro right now in a shop near where i live compared to 219euro on release day.
11-12-2010, 03:15 AM
FischOderAal

Cheapest 6870 is 195 Euros in Germany (including 19 percent VAT).
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?cat=...alisieren+&xf=
11-12-2010, 03:34 AM
JohnZS

I heard a rumour that there is a shortage of a TI (Texas Instrument) component, (DrMOS), this component is that fresh out of the factory that TI do not even have it listed on their books.
I would not be surprised if this is causing a shortage of stock, which in turn is making the prices higher. (And perhaps delaying the 69xx series cards).
John
11-12-2010, 03:35 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

I heard a rumour that there is a shortage of a TI (Texas Instrument) component, (DrMOS), this component is that fresh out of the factory that TI do not even have it listed on their books.
I would not be surprised if this is causing a shortage of stock, which in turn is making the prices higher. (And perhaps delaying the 69xx series cards).
John

Possibly. Or might be affected by the announced delay of all 69xx cards,
11-12-2010, 04:33 AM
tajoh111

I knew this would happen, I thought the 6870 was going to be scalped.
11-12-2010, 04:55 AM
xBanzai89

Newegg's prices went up due to that 10% off coupon they had. Even if it was 5-10 dollars more you were still making out on it being cheaper then MSRP. The prices should be normal on newegg in no time. TG always had those prices since release day too. Amazon? Well I never check there for computer parts...
11-12-2010, 05:54 AM
DMH

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

SRP/MSRP = SUGGESTED price
Not their fault or even AIBs fault that retailers are upping prices... very slight increases at that.

Edit- Comparing Barts to GF104 is ridiculous.
How about comparing it to GTX580... suppose to be $499 and they are at $559-$579.

King of the hill at this moment so the stores are just doing what they're doing with the Radeons.
Don't you remember they did the same thing with the HD5970?;)
11-12-2010, 05:58 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

I heard a rumour that there is a shortage of a TI (Texas Instrument) component, (DrMOS), this component is that fresh out of the factory that TI do not even have it listed on their books.
I would not be surprised if this is causing a shortage of stock, which in turn is making the prices higher. (And perhaps delaying the 69xx series cards).
John

i fail to see the shortage you mention, the cards are selling like hot cakes and retailers are able to keep up with demand right now, i think that 6850 was priced too low and 6870 too high (current european prices actually reflect this) and retailers did adjust to this fact
11-12-2010, 07:30 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Comparing Barts to GF104 is ridiculous.

why?
11-12-2010, 09:55 AM
ChinStrap

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

I heard a rumour that there is a shortage of a TI (Texas Instrument) component, (DrMOS), this component is that fresh out of the factory that TI do not even have it listed on their books.
I would not be surprised if this is causing a shortage of stock, which in turn is making the prices higher. (And perhaps delaying the 69xx series cards).
John

http://www.techpowerup.com/134308/Co...00-Series.html
11-12-2010, 09:55 AM
Andrew LB

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Same is happening at certain B&M stores in the US, specificly Fry's and Microcenter.

Really? I was at Microcenter yesterday and they had a bunch of 6870's in stock. After talking with a couple of the employees who I know, they told me that the sales of 6870's has slowed to a crawl since they received a pallet of EVGA GTX 580's the other day. All of which are completely sold out.

I wonder how many cards can fit on a freight pallet. Standard size is 48"x40" with a maximum weight of about 1,600lbs (hehe... ya... stacked 20' high).

My guess is about 200 cards since I recall the max allowable height is about 5'.

I used to do a ton of freight shipping when I managed Oettinger Performance GmbH @ CEC Wheels here in North America. :D

Btw.... I find it odd that the HD6870 is priced on average $100 lower than the older HD5870. @ Fry's you can get the 6870 for $259-$299 while the 5870 runs $339-$399.

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King of the hill at this moment so the stores are just doing what they're doing with the Radeons.
Don't you remember they did the same thing with the HD5970?

You mean how the HD5970 is still $700+? Ouch....
11-12-2010, 10:06 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Andrew LB

I wonder how many cards can fit on a freight pallet. Standard size is 48"x40" with a maximum weight of about 1,600lbs (hehe... ya... stacked 20' high).

My guess is about 200 cards since I recall the max allowable height is about 5'.

you forgot to divide by the "exaggeration ratio", lol

depending if they come from the warehouse or directly from a nvidia distributor, the chances of the pallet being just the gpu is slim.

still the point that 580 stopped the sales of 6800s sounds wrong anyway. both are completely different price segments.

the 6800s were upgrades for 4800/5700 owners,
the 580 is an upgrade for the 200 series owners (460 is still so new i hope no one needed to upgrade after just a few months).
11-12-2010, 11:23 AM
BababooeyHTJ

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

SRP/MSRP = SUGGESTED price
Not their fault or even AIBs fault that retailers are upping prices... very slight increases at that.

Edit- Comparing Barts to GF104 is ridiculous.
How about comparing it to GTX580... suppose to be $499 and they are at $559-$579.

:rolleyes: It's about the same percentage extra that most places are gouging for 6870.

How about comparing GTX580 to 6970? Now that was ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by saaya

why?

Typical fanboy logic. GF104 is Barts direct competitor. What better to compare it to?

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Originally Posted by Andrew LB

Really? I was at Microcenter yesterday and they had a bunch of 6870's in stock. After talking with a couple of the employees who I know, they told me that the sales of 6870's has slowed to a crawl since they received a pallet of EVGA GTX 580's the other day. All of which are completely sold out.

I find it hard to believe that a $500 card is cutting into the sales of $180 and $240 cards.
11-12-2010, 11:35 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

How about comparing GTX580 to 6970? Now that was ridiculous.

Typical fanboy logic. GF104 is Barts direct competitor. What better to compare it to?

i think it has to due with how old the cards are

the 460s were just recently dropped in price,
the 6800s and 580s are both brand new, and their price may change alot based on demand and supply. the 460s might have higher demand with lower prices, but supply should be steady enough to prevent massive fluctuation. also if the 460 did go back up, wouldnt nvidia have to admit the price drop was temporary?
11-12-2010, 11:48 AM
BababooeyHTJ

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

i think it has to due with how old the cards are

the 460s were just recently dropped in price,
the 6800s and 580s are both brand new, and their price may change alot based on demand and supply. the 460s might have higher demand with lower prices, but supply should be steady enough to prevent massive fluctuation. also if the 460 did go back up, wouldnt nvidia have to admit the price drop was temporary?

There just aren't many 6870s listed at Newegg or Amazon. They seem to be selling out quick. GTX460 on the other hand has two pages of cards listed at Newegg. It's just typical retailer gouging. People are apparently willing to pay these prices.

I'm not at all surprised that GTX580 is selling for over MSRP. If you're buying a $500 video card at launch with limited availability you can afford to pay an extra 15% and the retailers know that.

As always it's just supply and demand.
11-12-2010, 01:07 PM
Carbon_Unit

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Originally Posted by Andrew LB

Really? I was at Microcenter yesterday and they had a bunch of 6870's in stock. After talking with a couple of the employees who I know, they told me that the sales of 6870's has slowed to a crawl since they received a pallet of EVGA GTX 580's the other day.

:confused:

Gotta agree with others here, that seems odd, completely different price point. Did a quick look on Newegg.com, least expensive 6870 is $259.99, half of them are sold out. Newegg is gouging a bit it seems.
11-12-2010, 06:36 PM
zerazax

Newegg ALWAYS gouges now

They used to be my favorite place to shop... now their gouging tactics + CA sales tax has killed it for me and I look elsewhere for deals

It's also the fact they hvae that 10% coupon... no surprise, everything high in demand went up 10%

Aside form that.. there's some serious trolling going on in this thread too /sigh
11-12-2010, 07:38 PM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by E30M3

Maybe Its a late paper launch from AMD

LOL ... paper launch after a card had a real hard launch .... LOLL
11-12-2010, 08:06 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by saaya

why?

Time on market. Yes, comparing Barts to GTX580 is pretty bad, 3 weeks to a few days but it better than comparing Barts, again 3 weeks, to GTX460 which has been on the market 4 months.

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

Typical fanboy logic. GF104 is Barts direct competitor. What better to compare it to?

Wow...
11-12-2010, 08:17 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

Typical fanboy logic. GF104 is Barts direct competitor. What better to compare it to?

LordEC911 a fanboi? now i've heard it all...

seems to me like component sortages are probably keeping channel supply tight and therefor raising prices, retailers will probably hold the prices until after the holliday shopping season.
11-12-2010, 08:37 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by 570091D

LordEC911 a fanboi? now i've heard it all...

Well I do admit to having a bit of a red tinge, more of a very light pink, but that is due to having much better/easier info on that side of the camp. I try to stay pretty neutral but we all know that is impossible, no one is bias free.:p:
11-12-2010, 08:51 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Well I do admit to having a bit of a red tinge, more of a very light pink, but that is due to having much better/easier info on that side of the camp. I try to stay pretty neutral but we all know that is impossible, no one is bias free.:p:

i agree, but you are not a fanboi. we all have personal preferences (i like the green team for folding), but that doesn't have to factor into a tech discussion. and there is no reason to call someone a fanboi just because they don't agree with you. that is a fundamental problem i have with the news section of this forum.
11-12-2010, 10:01 PM
Lanek

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Originally Posted by Andrew LB

Really? I was at Microcenter yesterday and they had a bunch of 6870's in stock. After talking with a couple of the employees who I know, they told me that the sales of 6870's has slowed to a crawl since they received a pallet of EVGA GTX 580's the other day. All of which are completely sold out.

I wonder how many cards can fit on a freight pallet. Standard size is 48"x40" with a maximum weight of about 1,600lbs (hehe... ya... stacked 20' high).

My guess is about 200 cards since I recall the max allowable height is about 5'.

I used to do a ton of freight shipping when I managed Oettinger Performance GmbH @ CEC Wheels here in North America. :D

Btw.... I find it odd that the HD6870 is priced on average $100 lower than the older HD5870. @ Fry's you can get the 6870 for $259-$299 while the 5870 runs $339-$399.

You mean how the HD5970 is still $700+? Ouch....

I tend to don't really believe peoples interested on the 6870 and 200-250 dollars gpu are suddenly massively interested by a 500+ dollars gpu ...
Not all want buy high end and put 500 dollars on a GPU.
11-12-2010, 11:24 PM
Frananta

The opposite happened in my country, we can easily get 6850-70 since day 1, OTOH 580 still unavailable till this very moment. Maybe its about market segment e.g Nvidia prefered US/EUROPE market while ATI concentrate on ASIA/AUS :shrug:
11-12-2010, 11:38 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by Frananta

The opposite happened in my country, we can easily get 6850-70 since day 1, OTOH 580 still unavailable till this very moment. Maybe its about market segment e.g Nvidia prefered US/EUROPE market while ATI concentrate on ASIA/AUS :shrug:

comparing the availability of the 580 and 6870 is moot. the 6870 has been on the market for much longer and has better saturation, the 580 was JUST released. give it a few weeks to appear in all markets.
11-12-2010, 11:48 PM
Frananta

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Originally Posted by 570091D

comparing the availability of the 580 and 6870 is moot. the 6870 has been on the market for much longer and has better saturation, the 580 was JUST released. give it a few weeks to appear in all markets.

Umm no, as I told you, we can get 6870 since day 1, but no 580 available so far, I can see the pattern that happened every time when Nvidia launched highend card, its really hard to find the product, and while everyone is talking about how hard to find 5970 in the market,.. its not the condition in here, there's plenty of it, no shortage at all.
11-13-2010, 12:23 AM
railer

Dang i hope this will stop soon. Or my dreams of getting somewhat good price on VC before New Year will be just dreams.
11-13-2010, 01:56 PM
tbone8ty

im guessing cayman XT will be a little less than 6870 crossfire performance for about $399~$425

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