Aha! Good to know, thanks.
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Aha! Good to know, thanks.
O I know. I was just saying I thought I may have found a pre-modded reseller for us states people <shrugs>Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
Lookin to change xeon watercooled setup with:
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-pmp-40.html
and for the Storm r2
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-tub-116.html
to replace to fittings. Am I thinkin right or dose the alphacool come with 1/2 id fittings
those fittings are with G 1/4" thread, but swiftech standart is NPT!!!!!!!!
Actually, Swiftech uses 1/4" NPSM on their current blocks... it's more similar to G 1/4" than it is NPT (flat thread, o-ring sealed vs. tapered thread, no o-ring). Just remember, though...Quote:
Originally Posted by skaktuss
Do NOT attempt to thread a G 1/4" fitting into a Storm! It will damage the block's threads!
Maybe I wasn't to clear.... I know about the Storm threads. What I would like to know is the diameter on the pump 1/2 ID or do I need to replace the fittings on the pump with
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-tub-116.html
to be able to run the same diameter hose with a 1/2 Storm
Basically what is the fitting diameter on the pump couldn't find it anywhere....
Sorry just check my facts (the picture) and saw the pump is threaded for G1/4 fitting.....so I just answered my own question...yes
Always learning
Thanks
You can get the Pros and Ultras here.
They Also have the new Black Ice GT Stealth Rads!!
THermochill Who?
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...dex&cPath=201u
I suggest u double check it before saying "thermochill who"... ;)
Joe Bar, how do you like your DDC Ultra? I see you have your inlet switched to the top, do you know how much that improved flow? I agree the GT is untested as of now, but we here in the US have a tough time getting Thermochills, or at least the 120.2. If performance is similar, and the price is half of a thermochill they will sell a lot here.
@ Skulldor: I doubt that you will ever see a cheap ThermoChill in the US. I'd get a coolingworks rad if I lived over there!
I love my Ultras! Small, quiet and powerfull. There's no real tests of the Ultra with top mounted inlet, but coolmiester over at Coolercases did some tests in this thread. SystemCooling did some good tests on a 10W DDC with top mounted inlet in this article.
I really like it! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skulldor
If i recall correctly it goes to about 900-1000l/h with the top inlet.
According to radical bigt is still lower in performance than thermochill. But its price is quite lower also... ;)
Hi Guys i'm new here and hope you guys can help me to select the pump for my upcoming Conroe W/C Rig. :)
These are the parts i'm thinking of getting.
Aqua Computer Cuplex XT CPU Block (i know this block may not be the best, but i want to give it a try, have a Storm as backup as well ;) )
Aqua Computer Aquagra FX 7800 GTX VGA Water Block x 2 (for SLI)
Aqua Computer Aquatube Water Reservoir
PA 120.3
PA 160.1 or PA120.2
3/8" ID tubes all round
The configuration is likely to be :
RAD 120.3 -> CPU -> RAD 160.1 or 120.2 -> GFX -> GFX -> RES -> PUMP
Should i get an Iwaki WP-IKMD20RLZ or 2 x AquaExtreme 50Z?
Really appreciate any advise! :)
A PA120.3 is enough. Go for 7/16" or 1/2" tubes. I would go for the iwaki.
I got my RD30 paid for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO
now have to get to ordering the tubing, and the RAD.
for a pump, im happy with a Laing DDC with plexi, and with the feeding tubes drilled out to 8mm (i thinK?-)
its with a BIX-2, a DD TDX, MAze 4 chipset, and a EK 7900 block.
its running in a 48 hour water leak test ATM, and it looking fine, whick is a plus.
i need some help on the md-30
i need to convert 3/4 to 3/8
i have the converter present, but 3/4 tube dont seems to fit on the pump
looks like it need a thing that can twist on
any idea i can get that?
thanks
if your trying to convert 3/4" to 3/8" you should NOT be using a MD30...
ITS GONNA BLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :explode:
then its gonna be :surf:'s uP!
IWAKI MD-6N 100V, 22W, Max flow 8/9 l/min
Any wanna comment if It will work fine on a simple water cooling loop runing a dothan ???
whats its max head? heat dump seems kinda high...
cant find any MD-6N but the MD-6 has only 4.5feet!
I believe it's 1.4M MAXQuote:
Originally Posted by eXa
4.34ft... will be fine so long as you stick to something low-restriction like an apogee or 6002, but temps wont be anything record breaking with a pump thats got that little head and draws that much power.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16..._1248Large.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by PkG.1337
I like your balloons.
--Trevor
Would this 1/2 to 3/8 adapter work for the the MCP655 pump?
Thanks
just force the 3/8 tube on.
Ahhh! Why must there be so many models?!?
For the Iwaki AC pumps, the 20 series, which is the best, but is cheapest?
Thanks,
Yan
The Japanese ones are slightly better, but more expensive.
Take your pick.
MaxXxracer: What about the MCP600 rev. 1.0?
lol i fit 5/8 OD masterkleer on 5/8 Iwaki, so anything is possible if you boil the end of the tubeQuote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
I transformed the 3/4 iwaki md-30 into 3/8 tubes
everything work fine
temps improved only be a bit against ehiem 1000 something :(
moved..
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/files/..._view_800w.jpg
Does that answer anything about power consumption???
Oh, and by the way...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...53#post1526553
Anybody got any info on how good the Alphacool Ap1510 is? It from 12-24v and the head is 18ft. They say the heat dump is 17w or that is consumes that much atleast. This is probably given at 12v so anyone know what the heat dump would be at 24v? anyone have one of these? Just wondering cause I saw it for $100 which seems like a pretty good price for 18ft of head.
i'm going to replace my actual block ( an italian wb , OClabs mb-06, wich is a lot less restrictive compared to storm g4, d-tek mp 05 ) with a d-tek mp-05 SP LE , and obviously i have to change my pump , since i'm using a small aquarium pump...i think an mcp655 ( D5 ) should be ok, but i've found that http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp...ROD&ProdID=172 pump on d-tek store, it is similar to the d5(mcp 655), but is that the same identical pump ?
D5 is the same as MCP 655.
yes but i'm not sure if the pump listed at d-tek shop as "dtc-d5" is a d5(=mcp655) or not....i think it is a d5/mcp655 ( same design, partly some name )...but i want to be sure ;)
I would like to know too.. it seems interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_NamelessOne
Maxxx, could you link this under the DDC info so we dont have to explain which port on the Alphacool DDC top is used for what over and over? Thnx :)
How does the ddc1 plus with plexi res top compare performance wise to the ddc1 with plexi top as found here:
http://www.coolercases.co.uk/wc_pumps.htm
Replacing a t-line would make for a cleaner looking system and provide greater peace of mind, but if it negatively affects performance then I wouldn't pay the extra for it.
In addition, can someone please list all the different ddc versions and tops avaliable with a guide as to what to go for and/or avoid. Whats the difference between the ddc-1, plus and ultra? And what mods should be done?
That DDC-Plus *is* a DDC-Ultra.
Hi,
I want to ask you: what do you thing about Laing D4? I have dull selection because we have here ( Czech republic ) only Laings D4 and DDC + Eheims. i dont know if DDC will b enough, but the D4 is so loud, I heard...
d4 performs about the same as d5 just with alot more noise. anyway would a ddc+ with modded top beat both...
If its the new D4 Basic (what alphacool sells), its basically what we know as the D5.
Is there like a conspiracy to coverup information about the Alphacool AP1510 pump? I can find very little information about it, Can anyone comment on the Alphacool AP1510 pump? I am told its noisy, noisy as compared to what pump and at what voltage specifically? how does it perform compared to a D5 which most have referred me to instead of this pump. Is there something so wrong and terrible with this pump? I am trying to pick my pump and on paper this one looks like a winner. If anyone has the pump can they comment on the any of the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxis1452
From what I hear its noisy compared to the D5, and its flow and head stats are @ 24v while shown power consumption is @ 12v (meaning it dumps a lot of heat). Again, this is what I've heard.
In any case, a top-inleted DDC-Ultra will spank it.
Yes, that's it - Laing D4 basicQuote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
So, do you recommend it as my new pump? The price is by us the same as by DDC 1RT/Plus...
Not really, the DDC-Ultra is a far superior pump.
how is DDC-ultra superior? ok its much smaler and quieter than d4 but does it perform better.Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
Read the numbers... ;)
I can't seem to find any place to purchase an RD series Iwaki pump anymore. anyone know of anyplace to do so from online. i have found a company in a city a few hours away that i could drive to... but... :/
Be prepared to do some somersaults for a 300$ pump =p
rofl, isn't that mildly offtopic? or are you telling me that driving to get it is basically the only way?
Does anyone know if the ddc can be mounted top facing down?
(i know the d5 install guide says not to mount this way but maybe the ddc can
since its a more advanced design)
laing says no!
thanks, looks like Im going to have to mount it somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
ps: looks like xoxide mounts them inverted, wonder what there rma rate is? :D
http://www.xoxide.com/water-cooled-x...rimochill.html
it may still live long. but better safe than sorry!
so what do you guys think about using either of these 2 pumps (im leaning more toward the first one...the second one is rather large)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=9576
some places who advertise this pump (albeight the one they advertise draws 7A at load instead of 5) say it can only be run intermittent. im hoping this is not the case as this seems like a really decent pump for the money.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=1479
this one i think may cavitate a bit and im not sure how loud it is...although theoreticly i should be able to pump any number of things with it.
so... please help me out here. i have a pump right now, but it makes a somewaht annoying rattle and hissing sound, almost like it has air in it, but it doesnt
-Abbott
1st pump has a rubber impeller that will probably wear out in a day or two
(this pump is good for pumping oil out of a boat engine but not for 24/7 use) the second pump looks like it will kill youre electric bill,
ok, thanks for the help...now that i have to look at other pumps, im stuck between the via aqua 1300 and the maxijet 1200 (or paralell maxijet 900's for a few $$ more). so...help again, please?
-Abbott
60W running means ludicrously large heat dump. Self priming means its shaft-driven and thats just a terrible idea.
well, (as ive been turned away from those already) the 60w running would only get to the water via the shaft (all other pumps that are similar to that one show that there is about a 1" clearance between the pump housing and the motor body. and the good thing i would find about it being shaft driven is that you never have to worry about the cheaper pumps not starting correctlyQuote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
I've never heard of a decent 12V DC watercooling pump that doesent start flawlessly every single time.
And if you really think thats enough advantage to outweigh the fact that you have a shaft with seals, well, I dont really know what to say o.O
i trust your judgement, i had said that i was turned away from the shaft pumps already, and had centered on either the via aqua 1300 or the maxijet 1200 or dual maxijet 900's. and your right, it is a scary thought when you incorporate the possibility for the seals to leak out. the reason im saying the false starting is because i have an el'cheapo 700gph mag drive pump that likes to oscilate on startup every now and then (not to mention that its rather noisy)
-Abbott
Yeah, that is the one downside of magdrives, you have to pay more.
could you find me the stats (flow/head/current, i doubt youll find PQ) for these pumps youre talking about?
0' 1' 2' 3' 4' 5' 6'
Via Aqua 1300: Flow (gph) 370 349 317 254 190 119 79
wattage: 31.5W
maxijet 1200:
flow @ 0': 295GPH
wattage: 20W
maxijet 900:
flow @ 0': 230GPH
wattage: 8.5W
correct me if im wrong...but thats the most i was able to find
Those stats dont look very exciting. I mean, the DD MAG-II LE looks to be a better pump than the Via Aqua 1300... let alone the others.
I've got an offer on a used MD-20RZT for around $100. For roughly the same price I could pick up a new 18W DDC+ and an Alphacool top. Assuming that I don't care about the AC/DC difference, because I don't, which will do a better job with my loop (in sig)? Second, how big is the MD-20? It looks preposterously large.
Incidentally, is there any easy way to get my hands on one of Raadical's delrin tops? They look a damn sight cooler than the Alphacool.
[edit: This is infuriating. It's almost as if the planet's seach engines have a blind spot for Raadical. Try "raadical turbo" or "raadical delrin" or "raadical laing" or just plain "raadical" or anything along those lines in Google. Either I'm retarded (entirely possible) or Raadical's site -- which I have visited in the past -- is effectively invisible.]
It *is* preposterously large. Its also rather loud, and gets almost too hot to touch... the 2 together make decoupling it a tricksy busieness, as it will gleefully melt its way through a pad of Petra's Gel, and it would have to be a fairly large pad to begin with.
I believe the official Iwaki word on MD-series operational temperatures is "if you can pick it up without screaming in pain, its not too hot". Make of that what you will.
Either pump is mucho overkill for a block that responds so badly to high flowrates like your TDX however... regardless, a top-inleted DDC will most likely win, by virtue of nearly identical head pressure, higher flow and lower heat dump.
Oh, and it works fine if you just search for "Radiical": http://www.radiical.com.au/
Ah, so I was retarded. :coffee:
Thanks for steering me away from the Iwaki.
*shrug* dont get me wrong, Iwaki Stormtroopers are GREAT pumps... but not if youre after ease of installation or silence.
Theyre major advatage is that theyre built to survive nuclear holocausts - when all that's left of this world is a dead and dusty ball orbiting a swelling red star, alien xenobiologists will be puzzled by the multitude of metal armatures covered in flaking paint and bearing the arcane inscription "Iwaki, Japan".
aMp..are you in the US..the Radiical top from Australia to Tampa was $41 + flat $9 shipping=$48Quote:
Originally Posted by aMp
http://www.radiical.com.au/products/pumps.asp
Ok so what pump should I get if my system was totaly designed toward mass flow and not pressure?
I'm thinking the Iwaki MD20RLT or dual MCP655s
Note: THIS IS NOT A COMPUTER ENVIRONMENT
They will be in an open loop cooling system opperating from 0C to (-10C ) with only to restrictive points.
Has anyone got a bookmark for where the test is where they tested the inlet size on the alphacool ultra top?
Cant find it :(
Hey I was just looking around Performance-Pcs and noticed they had a new DDC top called the "Alphacool Laing DDC Dual attachment Hardwareluxx Edition" Here's a link:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=20552
So apparently it connects two DDCs to one top...I haven't seen this used anyware yet but Im guessing it's a no-no, considering it gets rid of the top inlet and that two pumps using one top just generally sounds bad. Also, since mounting a DDC upside-down is bad, Im guessing you would have to mount this thing side-ways. I just wanna see what you guys think about it...
interesting.
have a couple diffferent ideas for my new watercooling loop and I am not sure of which setup or pump I should use. I also already have an mcp600, bix 1x120mm, and maze4 and will be cooling an e6600 rig in a mm ufo case.
1) 1 continous loop
-Storm Silver G5
-PA 120.3
-Maze 4 (I already have)
-chipset
- water pump choice: mcp 600 (I have another and would put them in a series)
Option #1 would only cost around 40 bucks for the pump and would give me the extra 100 bucks or so to buy a G5. If I am not mistaken this would give me the most amount of headflow with the least amount of heat into the loop. But with the pa 120.3 would the extra wattage matter and would I benfit from more headflow that puts out more heat? With that said my other options...
2) 1 Continous loop
-Swiftech Storm
-PA 120.3
-Maze 4 (I already have)
- water pump choice: dual D5, dual ddc+ ultra, rd20, md20
If I get any of these pumps in a series or an Iwaki I would get a Swiftech Storm instead of a silver G5. I know the silver G5 only outperforms its brothers by 2C but it would be awesome to own such a piece that is made with aerospace machinary (This is the only time I would pick novelty over function) But back to the point...would it performance/price be better if I opted for any of these pumps. I have an iwaki pump that we use for a pond and I love how they are built like tanks which is why I considered them. The rd30 is out of my price range.
3) 2 seperate loops for cpu and gpu
For CPU
-storm silver G5
-pa 120.3
- water pump choice: D5/mcp650, ddc+ ultra modified top
or
-Swiftech Storm
-pa 120.3
-water pump choice: rd 20, md 20, dual d5, dual ddc+ ultra modified top
For GPU
-maze 4 (I already have)
-single 120mm bix (I already have)
-mcp600 (I already have)
option 1 looks very good if you can find a G5 for sale. dual 50z/MCP600 is a *very* low heatdump and one of the best possible pump setups (not sure how it compares to DDC+ ultra(s)). a PA120.3 will *easily* handle the extra pump. Iwaki MD20RZs are very nice pumps, but 1 20RZ versus dual MCP600/50z is effectively equal; if anything, the advantage goes to the MCP600/50zs. However, iwakis really are built like tanks... :)
if you did do option 1 and wanted to watercool your chipset, the MCW-30 is hands down the best choice for chipset cooling, as it's flow restriction is so incredibly low
I do think the dual ddc+ ultras would push near the 30rz performance but so would the price tags. I figure it would be around 220 for both compared to 40 bucks for two mcp600's since I already have one. I know the mcp600 dont have the super high headflow but the low heatdump really puts me over the top. I sitll have things to cosider but with your comment I am leaning towards the dual mcp600 even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloody_Sorcerer
Sorry for my long absence...Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
I'm not sure, what should I buy. What I heard, the DDC ( not DDC+ !!! ) produce too much noise, the D4 Basic seems to be quiet ( I uploaded 2 tracks, 2,35MB, from some i-friends: D4 10-0-10cm microphone-pump, DDC 10s on open case, 10s by pump, 10s on radiator with fans, 10s Samsung HDD ).
So I'm unsure. D4 Basic is +-quiet, has more power, but costs 800CZK ( ~ 35USD ) more. I think, the DDC has enough power for my W-C ( Viscool bloks ( COU + GPU ) and Alphacool Nexxxos Pro III radiator ), but it's realy bawler...
Can those MCP350/DDC pumps be mounted fine vertically too for prolonged usage? ie the top pic as found here:http://www.systemcooling.com/mcp350_mod-04.html
Everywhere i've seen has them mounted flat.
Nox
Quote:
Originally Posted by nox_uk
Sure...
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/ontap/...x/IMG_3331.jpg
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/ontap/...x/IMG_3327.jpg
cool, thanks - no excuse not to get mine sorted now then...
Nox
I've had mine modded and side mounted for well over a year and have never had a single problem. *knock on wood* It has been supplying both my CPU and GPU, both overclocked without issues. Granted it is likely I can find something more efficient and newer on the market but why bother unless it is a radical departure from what I have now? I would not dare to remove something that isn't causing me any problems and has performed so well. It is quiet, keeps my temps down and doesn't leak or cause other problems. The mod was straightforward if you follow the instructions.
The worst thing about vertical mounting of a DDC is that u lose the top inlet... ;)
what mod :D that entire part of my DDC has been replaced by a lump of perspex which I reckon has pretty much the same effect when you swap the bleed/inlet connectors,
I'm now just torn between neatness and efficiency on the outlet of the proper reservoir...
Nox
Is MCP355 better than MCP655 in terms of performance?
the MCP355 or DDC Ultra/DDC+ is a higher performing pump ...unmodded it has 3/8in intlet/outlet barbs...not preferred size for manyQuote:
Originally Posted by marauder16
so if modded with an alphacool top with modded/unmodded top inlet or Radiical top, perfromance is outstanding... excellent head pressure and better flow rates, lower heat dump and noise..than almost all pumps out there except a few..eg. Iwaki RD-30(this is the King of the Hill)
thnx nealh for the replay! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
your welcome...Quote:
Originally Posted by marauder16
Hey i am looking for a decent and not very expensive pump for a single radiator, and choosing between 3 cpu blocks.
MP-05 Pro CPU Waterblock
White Water - LE
or maybe the Apogee.
Which one pump more better? DDC or Eheim and how to recognize batch DDC because at my place most DDC and D5 will dead after using around 1-2 month.
Eheim are good for fishtanks... :p:
I think it should be a STICKY and very nice review
hi 2 all, i've 2 questions:
1st - what is better RD30 or Laing DDC?;
2nd - which of those pumps can work in the reservoir with water (like submersible pumps)?
1. the RD30 is over 2x as powerful.. but it costs about 3-4x to set it up with the dedicated psu.
2. neither, and its a horrible idea to submerse any pump in the res.
submersible pumps gives more heat dump for your loop, not a good idea...
septim, why? doesn't water cool the pump?
it does.. but all of hte heat the pump produces goes right into the water. if you ahve the pump out of the water it goes into the air and NOT into your loop. Having hte pump heat go into the water raises the water temp and hurts performance. Besdies the pumps were designed to work outside of hte water and will NOT overheat.
on the guide, you should put a caution when buying a MCP355 or MCP350 cause they tend to fail or stop working.