Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

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03-15-2012, 11:44 AM
UrbanSmooth

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Originally Posted by NapalmV5

wow so much excitement over kepler (when you got 3x 3gb 580 it dont matter that much :D) guys kepler is nothing its only 2.5x the fermi

maxwell on the other hand is supposed to be 10x the kepler.. now that one is going to be interesting.. prepare yourselves for next years internet buzz its going to be nuts!

Well, now, let's see: http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/z...roadmap1-1.jpg
03-15-2012, 11:57 AM
Russian

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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth

Man, isn't it fun to speculate?

I like not having to speculate :)
03-15-2012, 11:59 AM
UrbanSmooth

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Originally Posted by Russian

I like not having to speculate :)

Nvidia loves it when AMD and all of their fans speculate.
03-15-2012, 12:45 PM
SimBy

AMD loves it when Nvidia doesn't show up for the fight.
03-15-2012, 12:49 PM
NapalmV5

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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth

Well, now, let's see: http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/z...roadmap1-1.jpg

lol :D even if it doesnt end up 10x the kepler itll be more than a measily 2x :D

in all seriousness its nice to see they are aiming that high on maxwell
03-15-2012, 02:50 PM
Elfear

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

I highly doubt that the gpu that Nvidia planned to use for their midrange product is 25% faster than a card thats already 10-30% faster than their previous gen top card. I've never seen Nvidia release a mid range product that much faster than their previous generation's top of the like model. At least not in recent memory.

+1

If rumors are correct it would make the current-gen mid-range (on a brand new uArch) 40-45% faster than last gen's high-end. Has that ever happened?
03-15-2012, 02:54 PM
Rollo

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Originally Posted by SimBy

AMD loves it when Nvidia doesn't show up for the fight.

It appears to be the only time they can win. Going to be a rough year for AMD on all fronts.
03-15-2012, 02:57 PM
Sentential

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Originally Posted by Elfear

+1

If rumors are correct it would make the current-gen mid-range (on a brand new uArch) 40-45% faster than last gen's high-end. Has that ever happened?

Yes several times for example GT250 to GT450 (112SP to 192SP)
03-15-2012, 03:03 PM
cal_guy

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Quoting this for emphasis since I want to bring up some points here:

Tahiti is the first AMD core that puts a ton of focus on compute and DX11 rendering rather than being a unified architecture with some DX11 bits tacked on.

Fermi was built from the ground up for compute and DX11.

AMD is currently grappling with the heat, power consumption and die space (albeit at on a more efficient process technology) restrictions that NVIDIA went through with Fermi.

As mentioned by NVIDIA in several public presentations, Kepler is meant to be a second generation "ground up" architecture which essentially means they have learned from past experiences and have focused upon perf per watt. At least that's what this slide from 2010 says.

AMD is in many ways still on their 1st generation dedicated compute / DX11 architecture due to Tahiti / GCN skipping 32nm and instead waiting for 28nm to come around.

Take that as you will. Those are just the facts. :)

It's all a series of trade offs after all it took nVidia exactly 2 years to get to their 2nd Generation compute architecture, while for AMD it's looking to be 10-15 months to reach it's 2nd Generation. Hey maybe both AMD and nVidia will reach their 3rd generation at the same time. :)

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Originally Posted by Rollo

It appears to be the only time they can win. Going to be a rough year for AMD on all fronts.

I suspect a HD 7970 Ghz+ edition (aka "7800 GTX 512" edition) should narrow (or increase) the difference between the difference between GTX 680 and HD 7970.
03-15-2012, 03:39 PM
HelixPC

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Originally Posted by SimBy

AMD loves it when Nvidia doesn't show up for the fight.

Really? i remember nVidia showing up every time and winning, maybe late, but they always show up and put on a good show.

5900fx sucked, they came back with 6800gt/ultra, 7800/7900gtx, 8800gtx, gtx280, gtx 580. All winners. And nvidia has far better software and drivers, that in itself is worth a lot.
03-15-2012, 04:33 PM
tbone8ty

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Originally Posted by Rollo

It appears to be the only time they can win. Going to be a rough year for AMD on all fronts.

trinity will rock, vishera will hold its own, intel's crying in a corner over seamicro and radeon HD 7000 entire lineup is out, Amd stock up around ~$8.30 today and nvidia still is a no show and out at apple.

ill overclock a 7970 to 1200mhz and = a gtx 680 for $~100 cheaper and ill be able to get one like yesterday.

good luck getting a gtx 680 when it launches.

ok sorry rant done.

i personally cant wait for nvidia's answer and their software tweaks...

this pricing structure is getting out of control!!!
03-15-2012, 04:34 PM
bjuderas

I don´t think these Kepler are going to be much better than the new AMD/ATI. So I´m waiting for the Maxwell generation. My GTX580 is still a very good performer!
03-15-2012, 04:43 PM
tajoh111

This can be true if it is really late, but if this launch is in time with Ivybridge it can actually be worse than if AMD was the one being late. If both products are around, then people won't wait for the competitors current product to be out because they are already out. IF both products out, if one outshines the other, people will buy the better product. Of course if the gtx 680 sucks badly, this basically means everyone will jump onto AMD because they know already keplar sucks.
03-15-2012, 04:50 PM
AliG

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Originally Posted by HelixPC

Really? i remember nVidia showing up every time and winning, maybe late, but they always show up and put on a good show.

5900fx sucked, they came back with 6800gt/ultra, 7800/7900gtx, 8800gtx, gtx280, gtx 580. All winners. And nvidia has far better software and drivers, that in itself is worth a lot.

I don't think your argument is valid. The 6800gt was a winner, but the x1950xtx beat the 7900gtx. The 8800 gtx might just be the great gpu of all time; it's dominance can only be described by the word leng-wait-for-it-i-hope-you're-not-lactose-intolerant-dary. The gtx 280 on the other hand sucked in a lot of ways and frankly was not a very strong performer compared to the 4870x2 at that. The gtx 580 could be described as a winner, but it took the epic fail known as the gtx 480 to get there and still it runs very hot.

I would say the two companies have been trading blows rather well ever since the introduction of the 4870. Winning would imply they actually have a superior product across the board, which frankly I don't think is true with the exception of the 8800gt/gtx and perhaps the gtx 680 generations if the rumors are true.
03-15-2012, 05:02 PM
Rollo

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

trinity will rock, vishera will hold its own, intel's crying in a corner over seamicro and radeon HD 7000 entire lineup is out, Amd stock up around ~$8.30 today and nvidia still is a no show and out at apple.

ill overclock a 7970 to 1200mhz and = a gtx 680 for $~100 cheaper and ill be able to get one like yesterday.

good luck getting a gtx 680 when it launches.

ok sorry rant done.

i personally cant wait for nvidia's answer and their software tweaks...

this pricing structure is getting out of control!!!

You're quite the optimist.

"intel crying in the corner over SeaMicro"?!

:ROTF:

I've got some bad news for you: $140b company wiith 80% market share don't care what $5b company does. AMD exists because intel allows them to. All intel would have to do is lower preices a bit temporarily and AMD wouldn't sell a part on the planet. That is the sad reality of the cpu market.
03-15-2012, 06:23 PM
solofly

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Originally Posted by HelixPC

Really? i remember nVidia showing up every time and winning, maybe late, but they always show up and put on a good show.

5900fx sucked, they came back with 6800gt/ultra, 7800/7900gtx, 8800gtx, gtx280, gtx 580. All winners. And nvidia has far better software and drivers, that in itself is worth a lot.

Let me summarize this for everyone here...

NV = Jaguar
where
AMD = Pinto

Hehehe just having some fun...;)
03-15-2012, 06:39 PM
highoctane

I agree, considering seamirco was purchased for a little more than 300 million in the multi-billion dollar server world I'm just not seeing the impact from that, might was well be AMD bought a shaved ice popsicle stand.

If Intel decided to compete with raw pricing and priced at AMD's current levels deliberately I doubt AMD would be able to hold out very long with such skinny margins, thats just the reality of the situation.

There's no way Intel could totally stop AMD from selling product but there's no doubt Intel could squeeze AMD on it's margins very easily, especially with the fabing advantage.

If Kepler shapes up to anything like the hype all AMD's previous advantages over Nvidia as far as performance per mm2 and power consumption will largely be nullified with Nvidia possibly gaining the advantage all around and not just raw single gpu performance.

However I'm a wait and see kind of person, I'll believe it all when I see it.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

You're quite the optimist.

"intel crying in the corner over SeaMicro"?!

:ROTF:

I've got some bad news for you: $140b company wiith 80% market share don't care what $5b company does. AMD exists because intel allows them to. All intel would have to do is lower preices a bit temporarily and AMD wouldn't sell a part on the planet. That is the sad reality of the cpu market.
03-15-2012, 06:57 PM
cal_guy

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Originally Posted by highoctane

I agree, considering seamirco was purchased for a little more than 300 million in the multi-billion dollar server world I'm just not seeing the impact from that, might was well be AMD bought a shaved ice popsicle stand.

If Intel decided to compete with raw pricing and priced at AMD's current levels deliberately I doubt AMD would be able to hold out very long with such skinny margins, thats just the reality of the situation.

There's no way Intel could totally stop AMD from selling product but there's no doubt Intel could squeeze AMD on it's margins very easily, especially with the fabing advantage.

If Kepler shapes up to anything like the hype all AMD's previous advantages over Nvidia as far as performance per mm2 and power consumption will largely be nullified with Nvidia possibly gaining the advantage all around and not just raw single gpu performance.

However I'm a wait and see kind of person, I'll believe it all when I see it.

The advantage of SeaMicro is the density and the power and cooling savings that it's has plus the fact that it has actual servers in the marketplace. There's nothing quite like it out in the marketplace right now and that's a huge advantage. The power and cooling advantage is so large right now that really Intel's pricing becomes irrelevant for the target customers of the SeaMicro servers.
03-15-2012, 07:09 PM
UrbanSmooth

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Originally Posted by bjuderas

I don´t think these Kepler are going to be much better than the new AMD/ATI. So I´m waiting for the Maxwell generation. My GTX580 is still a very good performer!

I hear that. Triple GTX 480s under water are just fine right now. I was thinking about waiting until Kepler to upgrade again, however, it's looking more and more like there aren't any games to upgrade for until, maybe Crysis 3?

Looks like a future Maxwell upgrade for the old Smooth as well...
03-15-2012, 08:18 PM
paulbagz

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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth

I hear that. Triple GTX 480s under water are just fine right now. I was thinking about waiting until Kepler to upgrade again, however, it's looking more and more like there aren't any games to upgrade for until, maybe Crysis 3?

Looks like a future Maxwell upgrade for the old Smooth as well...

Yeah I'm happy with my 3x 480s as well, if anything a CPU/Motherboard upgrade would help unlock some more FPS in my situation but even then I am yet to find something I can't max out at 1080p even on my QX.

-PB
03-15-2012, 08:23 PM
eric66

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Originally Posted by Rollo

It appears to be the only time they can win. Going to be a rough year for AMD on all fronts.

I highly doubt that but for nvidia it surely will since they don't have any new product yet, they lost all consoles to amd , also lost apple deal etc ....
03-15-2012, 08:26 PM
gumballguy

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Originally Posted by HelixPC

i remember nVidia showing up every time and winning, maybe late, but they always show up

WTF? If you release your card later, short of screwing something up badly, you SHOULD win.
What a ridiculous thing to say.

And before you ask, I'm waiting for Kepler. Then I'll decide which card to buy. I'm not sitting solely in either camp.

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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth

I hear that. Triple GTX 480s under water are just fine right now. I was thinking about waiting until Kepler to upgrade again, however, it's looking more and more like there aren't any games to upgrade for until, maybe Crysis 3?

Looks like a future Maxwell upgrade for the old Smooth as well...

Buy more monitors?
Try 3d?

There are ways! Although I suspect you'll be crippled by vram.
03-15-2012, 09:45 PM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by gumballguy

WTF? If you release your card later, short of screwing something up badly, you SHOULD win.

Why do people keep saying this bollocks? GPU architectures and chips aren't designed in a few months. 2-3 months later launch guarantees nothing.
03-15-2012, 09:53 PM
The Jesus

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Why do people keep saying this bollocks? GPU architectures and chips aren't designed in a few months. 2-3 months later launch guarantees nothing.

Drivers.
03-15-2012, 10:52 PM
Andrea deluxe

http://www.3dcenter.org/dateien/abbi...enchmarks2.jpg

http://www.3dcenter.org/

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