I only enable CPU Tweak for benching if not its really added temp for no reason.
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well i just locked up at the end of the Stable test on AOD I had like 5mins left and it locked up i was at 3.1 @1.42 volts and it hit 71c
i was useing everest at the time of the lockup
use core temp and tell me what you get.
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
ok i got it and running right now it showing the same temmp as everest @ idel 39c
ok idel is 39c and load is 59c and that back at 3Ghz
what kind of cooler do you have?
i`m getting smf like 39-40 idle @ 3ghz, 1.34V
and in load less than 54-55
that`s with a true and a enermax fan (almost max-ed out, yeah i know it`s loud, but i do turn it down at night :)) )
Hi I noted you are using Zalman 9700 cooler, to answer the post above.
I have a 9950BE @ 3.1Ghz on an ASUS M3A32-MVP (SB600) using custom water cooling (which is a work in progress), and with C'n'Q enabled, my temps are:
Idle = 33C
Load = 50C
Room ambient = 25C
EDIT: Just tried with C'n'Q disabled and idle temps are now:
CPU IHS = 38C
Cores = 41C
Full Load temps are same as above, i.e. 50C using AOD Stability test all tests.
This is with CPU Tweak enabled, which increases the CPU Cache workload, and gives higher temps.
Many people have noted lower temps (with up to a 10C drop) with CPU Tweak disabled, which can then allow higher overall overclock of the cores due to the lower temps being produced.
I've not had a chance yet to compare benchmark result differences between gains made from having:
a) CPU Tweak enabled (Improved Cache performance at lower core clock speed)
against
b) CPU Tweak disabled, but yielding higher CPU Clock speed.
In other words whether the cache improvements from enabling CPU Tweak gives better/same/worst results than the increased Clock speed of the Cores that would be possible with CPU Tweak disabled as a result of the lower temps.
It might be interesting if we had a thread on this, with benchmarks done at varying clock speeds, with CPU Tweak enabled and disabled, and reporting temp differences as well......
As I am still stuck with an SB600 mobo for at least another week (my supplier having let me down by failing to fill my order for an M3A79-T six weeks ago..!!!), the max OC I can get on SB600 is 3.1Ghz regardless of whether or not I have CPU Tweak enabled or disabled, but maybe folks who already have SB750 mobos, could give some feedback on this idea....?????????
Any takers...?????
With my SB750 ASUS, I decided to stay with 3.2Ghz (1.375v) even though higher clocks are possible. For example, my external (non-mobo) temp sensor on mosfets was spiking to 55C on high overclocks and I was getting BSODs that were odd. I concluded that even though my cpu temp under water was 44-46C under very heavy load, that other chips on my mobo were too hot.
Regarding cpu tweak, I found about a 9-10c difference on idle and 4-5C on heavy load. I leave it off and see no difference or slight increase on benchmarks. I don't like heat for little gain.
Bummer about your retailer. I think you posted earlier that the guy was giving you odd vibes about ship dates?
my temps on water with C & Q disabled and CPU Tweak disabled are about 27ºc idle and about 38-40ºc load.
With the factory cooler I was getting about 41ºc idle and 57ºc load. This is at 1.425v 3.2 Ghz
well i got it back to 3.1Ghz and it idle @35c can 69c @ load im testing right now for stableness, but why does it jump up 35c am i doing something wrong ?
Ok it just stopped on me what can i be doing wrong
sure np i have 7 120mm fans and a ZALMAN 9700 I WILL POST SCREENSHOTS OK IT
Thanks for the comparison info guys, and yes I had been getting odd vibes from the retailer, it all sounded a bit dodgy, I finally (this week) got a refund of my money, although they sent me a cheque rather than refund the credit card I paid with, so I'm waiting for it to clear now. Hoping to order the mobo from another company early next week, after the cheque has cleared.
Hmm your Load temps seem to be really high, which is odd as your idle temp seems fine. You've got a very high idle/load delta there.
Sounds like it could be a poorly mounted HSF, adequate at idle, but not getting a good enopugh contact to efficiently remove enough heat under higher load temps. Try re-mounting the HSF.
I've got a slightly similar problem with a 9850BE on the M2N32-SLI mobo, using a Arctic Cooling Freezer Extreme HSF. It was really difficult to install as the HSF wasn't quite clearing the chipset heatsink on the NB. So its not getting a really good contact, so my temps are higher than I expected to see.
Still safe enough under low load, and I'm only using it as a HTPC at the moment so its not being put under any heavy loads, and I'm going to swap the mobo out once I get a M3A79-T, so that the M3A32-MVP will replace the M2N32-SLI, so the AC Freezer Extreme should fit better and make better contact to work with the 9850BE then.
OT: As I'm typing this now, can anyone with the M3A79-T mobo tell me if the whole SATA OPtical Drive and SATA RAID problems have been fixed with SB750.
I know that when I installed on SB600, the only way I could get things to work was to swap my SATA Optical Drive with an IDE Optical Drive, no matter what I did I could not get Vista installed with a SATA Optical Drive when using SATA HDD's in RAID.
Don't take offense but some here have forgot to remove the clear cellophane that protects the HS for shipping. Are you sure you removed it?
Otherwise, my guess is you need to re-do your thermal paste application. The two line method works best for quads, rather than the dollop, but everyone has their own tried and true method. HERE is a good review of different application approaches and their coverage.
I agree with xrogerx's problem been a badly postioned heatsink. Or the thermal paste was not applied correct.
ok so putting paste on these are diffrent from a dual core cause they got more cores?
ok i took off the HSF and clean it off aswell as the cpu , i reapplied the past and spread the paste all over the cpu with the thin coat of AS5 and put the HSF back on making sure it was seated correctly and touching the cpu making sure it was all cover
Here are my temps at idle
Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type ITE IT8720F (ISA E80h)
GPU Sensor Type Diode (ATI-Diode)
Chassis Intrusion Detected Yes
Temperatures
Motherboard 34 °C (93 °F)
CPU 22 °C (72 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 37 °C (99 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 37 °C (99 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 37 °C (99 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 37 °C (99 °F)
Aux 42 °C (108 °F)
GPU Diode (DispIO) 42 °C (108 °F)
GPU Diode (MemIO) 49 °C (120 °F)
GPU Diode (Shader) 42 °C (108 °F)
Seagate ST3250820AS 38 °C (100 °F)
Seagate ST3320620AS 42 °C (108 °F)
Cooling Fans
CPU 2500 RPM
Chassis 2090 RPM
Power Supply 2027 RPM
GPU 3637 RPM
Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.42 V
+2.5 V 3.01 V
+3.3 V 3.26 V
+5 V 4.89 V
+12 V 9.92 V
+5 V Standby 4.95 V
VBAT Battery 3.34 V
LOAD TEMPS
THIS IS AFTER 5MINS
Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type ITE IT8720F (ISA E80h)
GPU Sensor Type Diode (ATI-Diode)
Chassis Intrusion Detected Yes
Temperatures
Motherboard 34 °C (93 °F)
CPU 22 °C (72 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 61 °C (142 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 61 °C (142 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 61 °C (142 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 61 °C (142 °F)
Aux 61 °C (142 °F)
GPU Diode (DispIO) 42 °C (108 °F)
GPU Diode (MemIO) 50 °C (122 °F)
GPU Diode (Shader) 43 °C (109 °F)
Seagate ST3250820AS 38 °C (100 °F)
Seagate ST3320620AS 43 °C (109 °F)
Cooling Fans
CPU 2500 RPM
Chassis 2090 RPM
Power Supply 2021 RPM
GPU 3635 RPM
Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.46 V
+2.5 V 2.99 V
+3.3 V 3.26 V
+5 V 4.89 V
+12 V 9.92 V
+5 V Standby 4.95 V
VBAT Battery 3.34 V
LOAD TEMPS
THIS IS AFTER 10MINS
Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type ITE IT8720F (ISA E80h)
GPU Sensor Type Diode (ATI-Diode)
Chassis Intrusion Detected Yes
Temperatures
Motherboard 34 °C (93 °F)
CPU 22 °C (72 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 62 °C (144 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 62 °C (144 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 62 °C (144 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 62 °C (144 °F)
Aux 63 °C (145 °F)
GPU Diode (DispIO) 42 °C (108 °F)
GPU Diode (MemIO) 48 °C (118 °F)
GPU Diode (Shader) 43 °C (109 °F)
Seagate ST3250820AS 38 °C (100 °F)
Seagate ST3320620AS 43 °C (109 °F)
Cooling Fans
CPU 2500 RPM
Chassis 2090 RPM
Power Supply 2021 RPM
GPU 3633 RPM
Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.46 V
+2.5 V 2.99 V
+3.3 V 3.26 V
+5 V 4.89 V
+12 V 9.92 V
+5 V Standby 4.95 V
VBAT Battery 3.34 V
also core temp is telling me the samething maybe my volts are to high , hmmmmm
Hi,
I think the best thing to do to rule out voltage and your OC as a problem is to take it back to stock settings and check temps again for a while ( both Idle and Load).
If your temps are still too high at stock clocks and voltage, then it shows its a HSF issue, either the HSF contact (TIM/Mounting) or Fan issues (inadequate rpm etc)
If the temps are fine at stock then it shows that the OC and Voltage is the issue, and you need to re-think your 24/7 OC settings a bit....
Best thing to do is to just gradually increase the clock speed at stock settings, until you can't boot, keeping an eye on temps of course at each increment. Then once you reach max Clocks at stock voltage, and provided temps are still within your comfort zone, increase the Voltage gradually until the OC is stable, again keeping temps within your preferred range.
The max temps for the Phenom 9950, as per AMD, are 61C for 125W 9950 and 63C for 140W 9950, so ideally you want to keep your Load temp below this figure, the lower the better of course... though its to be expected that AMD will have erred on the side of caution when detaling the max temp as well.
My own preference is to aim for a load temp of about 10C lower than the max temp of 61C/63C so a load temp of approx 51C-53C for 24/7 OC.
With a benhcmarking profile with a higher OC and voltage for short periods only (if possible) at the moment my max OC Load temps are below the 51C-53C range anyway, so I just run at this 24/7 (allbeit with C'n'Q enabled so its only rarely using max voltage anyway - i.e. under Load)
so did you get your board from Offike in the end Kazgirl?
No....!!!! only just this week I got a refund from them, and that took long enough.
Im waiting for the refund cheque to clear before getting from elsewhere now. Dabs still have no stock either, which is a shame as they have the best price listing, just nothing to sell.
I'm currently looking at a few other places who have stock available, who I have used before with good service, I'll never ever use Offike again, and would advise anyone else to never use them either.
The whole thing was a nightmare with them....!!!!
But hey live and learn, I gave Offike a chance, and they failed, so they lost a customer in me.... their loss, as if a seller is good then I tend to use them repeatedly, ebuyer have benefited from over £1500 of my custom over the last 12 months alone, they have proven to be very reliable, but they havn't got a listing for the M3A79-T or else I'd use them.
Morecomputers.co.uk are someone else I've used before with no problems and they have now got stock in.
Also OcUK.co.uk who I have also used before, but had some minor problems with them, but which eventually they did put right, so I'll not hold it against them, though I've heard of people having problems with them, I've not yet had a major problem with them, but they wouldn't be my first choice, as their prices are a bit higher than average as well.
I've never used Scan.co.uk but have heard good things about them, so may give them a try as well, all depends right now, if Dabs get stock in over the weekend (unlikey but you never know) then I will be ordering from them, otherwise it'll be Scan (with the next best price, but untried before), or otherwise it'll be Morecomputers, who have the next best price, lastly is Lambdatek, another one I;ve never used before, which is why they are bottom of the list at the moment.
As soon as Offike's refund cheque clears, my order will be placed with one of the above, so (fingers crossed) this time next week, I will finally have my M3A79-T.........!!!!!
I do reccomend scan kazgirl, If you are local even more so. They do have a good attitude there, and i have happily been using them since i can remember.
One of the best etailors i have come Across.
Regarding the M3A79 -T Deluxe i hope to be picking one up from scan prety soon myself :cool: All depends if i can sell the spare systems & parts i have here.
Hi Gener AL
Thanks for the info about Scan, I've also been checking the forums out, and the Hexus free delivery offer, its a really good incentive as well. Won't be in time for this order, but I hope to get the 20+ posts needed to qualify for future orders.
I like ebuyer as they accept Paypal as well, which is really useful for me, it makes things a lot easier, when selling parts after upgrading to use the ebay generated money to pay for new stuff via paypal, rather than have to wait for paypal to sned funds to the bank etc..... a couple of months ago ebuyer withdrew Paypal as a method of paying, and I stopped using them, they've since re-instated Payapl however, and I've started using them again. They have never once failed, and next day delivery is great as well (at a cost of course).
I think if Dabs don't get stock in over the weekend or by Tues at the latest, then I'll defintiely be giving Scan a try.
Hi EXxx
Thanks for the feedback on this, its good to know that its been fixed, as otherwise I would need to order a new IDE DVD-RW, as the current IDE DVD-RW I have will have to be paired to the M3A32-MVP, with my current SATA DVD-RW going with the M2N32-SLI.
THe M2N32-SLI will be out of action for a while though, until I get a new HDD and OS though, so I'll be able to use the SATA DVD-RW on the M3A79-T for the time being now that I know that this problem has been fixed with SB750, and then eventually order a new SATA DVD-RW for the M2N32-SLI when I get a HDD and OS for it.
It means I can get a PCI Wi-Fi card for the M3A32-MVP now as I intend to stream video to it as a HTPC, the M2N32-SLI I have as my HTPC at the moment has built in wi-fi, but I want to get the M3A32-MVP into that PC asap, to get the AC Freezer Extreme to work better with the 9850BE, so if I can get the wi-fi card same time as I order the mobo wihtout having to add an IDE DVD-RW to the cost, it will help.
All useful info guys.....THANKS..!!
There is a new BIOS out for that board on the ASUS site...... BIOS 602
M3A79-T Deluxe 0602 BIOS
Fixed HDD device Boot priority will refresh when change HDD device.
Fixed system can not reset after recovery BIOS from USB device.
Update ExpressGate version to 1.3.12.1
ok i did alot of messing with my system and i have it stable without no heat problem , i put everything back to stock seeting in the bios
Ram was @ ddr2 800 went in bios and put it to 1067 and adjust the timming to 5-5-5-15 T2 , Ram now running at DDR2 1066
Stock temps were 35c idle and 40c load
turned off CPU Tweak BEFORE i turned off CPU Tweak idle temp were 35c when i turned it off temp went to 31c
Also i enable CnQ
At 2.8 idle was 31c and load was 41c with stock volts
At 3.0 idle temp was 31c started to check for stableness and it fail this was also at stock Volt
2ND try @ 3.0 idle temps were 31c to 32c and load was 44c and this is with 1.30 Volts
3rd Try @ 3.0 idle temps were 32c to 33c and load was 48c and this is with 1.32 Volts
then i went to try for higher clock to 3.1 idle temp was 33c but stableness fail ,Test stopped
thought it could be caused by not enough Volts so i upped it to 1.35
at this time the idle temps are looking great there were at 33c to 34c but when i try to stress it at these volts the load temp went to 52c
so i think i high my limit at 3.0 with idle temps 32c to 33c and load temps are 48c with the volts @ 1.32
is there anything that i missed remind you i didnt touch nothing else like the NB or anything
i knew things would come stuck at Offike kazgirl, they are not what they seem, i think its one guy in a basement lol with 5 mobo's and a Socket A heatsink.
you have mentioned scan.co.uk, they are sound as a pound, great lot there and great CS.
another place you could get it is Microdirect.co.uk, funny site this, totaly legit, but allways seem to pull stock out the bag from nowhere, 5 days before all the big names, good contacts i suppose,
they got the board in stock now,
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...ource=googleps
i was going to pick it up, but decided to hold out for the Nvidia ACC 'vapourware' boards, to see if they appear.
got myself another GTX 260 and two XSPC waterblocks for them, dont come till monday, darn....cant wait to fit em
Disable CnQ; set ACC +4 for all cores; increase NB vid to 2.6. You should be able to get 3.1 (207 * 15) at 1.35 cpu vid. I am at 208 * 15.5 or 3224mhz. My cpu vid is 1.38 and ACC is +4+2+2+4 But I am under water. 3.1 should still be pretty cool on air.
Have fun!:up:
XRogerX: Just curious why you don't use AOD for your overclocking?
I've found it best to find a good STABLE setting for BIOS and then
overclock using AOD. If it crashes, your system will still reboot with good settings.
AOD Link: http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_overdrive.aspx?p=1
AOD actually plays quite well with this board. ;)
Personally, I just leave my bios @ 200x15x11x10 (3Ghz CPU/2.2Ghz NB/2Ghz HTlink) 1.375v CPU, 2.1v Mem, 1.325v NBvid.
Here is a SS of my bios settings (from AOD):
CLICKABLE:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3..._AODStable.jpg
When I want to push the OC I just boot normally, go into AOD and load the saved profile (I call it "MaxOC_Profile"). The Save/Load features work just fine as long as your not teetering on the very edge....
Heres a SS of my AOD "MaxOC_Profile":
CLICKABLE:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...116_AODMax.jpg
As for your temps.... I wouldn't worry too much about 52c when your stressing the system. The chip is rated for 60c at least, I'm pretty sure it's actually 70c but don't hold me to that... :D
Mine does seem to get a little unstable when it goes over 58 so I watch for that as my personal limit, it's still well within AMD's specs.
I had a Zalman 9700 cooler, and while it works quite well I found it to be kind of noisey. There are better and quieter air coolers available the one I'm using now actually dropped my load temps by ~4c.
Here's a link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233003
Hope this helps a little, and Happy Overclocking!! :up:
EDIT: BTW, my system is very similar to yours, I'll update my sig...
quick question what are the idle temps when over clock ?
oc I need 1.4 and cpu vdda at 2.8 38-40C idle 2.8ghz.
demonkevy666: If your asking me man, it ranges from 33-38c depending on ambient temps. I'm running my OC'd setting right now, and the furnace is running (it's frikken cold outside :D)....
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...16_HWM_OCd.jpg
**EDIT** I've played with the CPU VDDA setting and haven't really seen any benefit yet. It seems to OC just as well on AUTO as it does by raising it.... I've only had this board for a couple weeks though.
TBH, it's probably just your 9850 man. My 9850 had a hard time hitting 2.8 stable on my MSI K9A2, but this 9950 would run 3.0 rock solid on that board.
One thing I've noticed about ACC settings is that you can't get them too far out of wack from each other. For example 4/2/4/2 will work just fine, but 6/2/6/2 will cause alot of problems (at least from my experience) you need to keep them within a step of each other....
I read that Macci had a theory about ACC settings that goes something like this:
-2 ACC = Stock V's (1.30)
0 ACC = 1.3125
+2 ACC = 1.325
+4 ACC = 1.3375
Etc....
He's a VERY bright guy and there does seem to be some usefullness to this idea, but from my experience it works better when I apply the rule in jumps of +.025v rather than +.0125v... It may very well have alot to do with your individual chip, but it does seem to be a good rule of thumb.. :yepp:
This is my 1St Quad Core so im still learning i really dont want to blow nothing on this so im alittle worried ,im sry if im asking all kinds of questions i what to get the most out of this but i only got a 650w so i dont know if it can really overclock with what i got, i know i can get to 3.1 but its not stable so i dont know what i could be but them what do i know lol, everyone in this thread know all about this im still learning and asking questions , like this question here i got crossfire but AOD doesnt see no cards installed but Device manager , GPU-Z and CCC sees it ,i dont know maybe im just nerves i know i wasted money on getting this but thats ok cause i will get one of the new CPU's that will be comming out
Well I've put my order in with Scan for my M3A79-T, at last...!!!!!
It should be here on Tues according to the order confirmation......fingers crossed that this time after having ordered one from Offike almost 2 months ago, that this time it will arrive as expected......!!!
I have a hospital appointment on Wed though, so won't be able to do much until Thurs, maybe even Fri depending on how my hospital visit go's.
I hope to have it up and running before the weekend though. Going to see if I can get some good OC'ng out of my 9950 then.
I hope I get a at least another 200Mhz out of it, preferably even 400Mhz.
I'm surprised to see the 3.1Ghz - 3.19Ghz limits with you guys though, as I've had 3146Mhz (203 X 15.5) out of my 9950 on my current SB600 M3A32-MVP, so I hope that isn't as much as it will do, and that I gain something from SB750 and ACC, especially after the hassle I've had to get one.
It won't be that big a deal if I don't though, as I needed to get a SB750 mobo anyway ready for the Phenom II aka Deneb. So it'll give me plenty of time to get to know the mobo and all its settings before Jan (or more likely Feb in the UK) when the Phenom II's are available. But it would be nice to get a really good OC for a change.
Its been a while since I been at 3.5Ghz, not since I swapped to Phenom on my water-cooled PC and put my X2 6400+BE back with its stock HSF.
I had 3.45Ghz with a X2 6000+
3.5Ghz with the X2 6400+BE
Then dropped down to 2.2Ghz with my first Phenom, the horrible B2 stepping 9500 back last Oct.
Then up to 2.9Ghz with my 2nd Phenom, the 9850BE
Then up to 3.1Ghz with my current 9950BE.
Yet still 400Mhz short of the 3.5Ghz I saw with my X2 6400+BE and even 350Mhz short of the X2 6000+ I had.
It would be really nice if I could get back up to the 3.45Ghz -3.5Ghz with Phenom, before finally swapping to Phenom II, it would be even better if it could surpass the X2 OC's and got up to 3.6Ghz,...... something I was never quite able to get the X2's to do 100% stable, I did once manage to boot at 3.6Ghz but almost immediately froze up on trying to launch any app, so had to drop back down.
I had really high hopes for Phenom and Spider platform, pre-launch of course, and even though it was really good to finally get Phenom to 3.0Ghz+ with the 9950BE, I'd like even better to get to where I've seen others get, and hit the 3.4 - 3.5Ghz mark....!!!
Guess I'm going to have to go back through the entire thread again now, and pay attention to any little glitches that have been causing issues, in readiness for its arrival...:D:D
That and having a good sort of all my folders to see what I need to keep and what I can get rid of before wiping everything ready for a nice clean install of Vista.
Its going to be a busy week...LOL...!!!
GOod thing about the M3A79-T is that if i'm not mistaken it will support AM3 through a BIOS update. Thats what I heard, don't know if its confirmed yet. Plus, the board is badass!!
Well i know this isnt the place to say this but I7 just released and it goes up to 3.2, but where the AMDS our turn i hope
Hey guys.
Any other program except AOD for raising the fsb in phenom's??
ok i have a question about CF on this board , do i put in it pcie1 and 2 or 1and3?
Iwas told to put it in 1and2 im asking here cause you all know what you doing with this board
Maybe this is why AOD isnt seeing the video cards hmmmmmm
Well by Slot 1 and 2, if you mean the top slot (Blue) and the next PCI-E slot immediately below it (Black) then that would be wrong..
You need to have the cards in matching colour slots, I have mine in the 2 blue slots on the M3A32-MVP which has the same slot layout as the M3A79-T which go's
Blue (PCI-E Slot 1)
White (PCI)
Black (PCI-E Slot 2)
White (PCI)
Blue (PCI-E Slot 3)
Black (PCI-E Slot 4)
In which case the correct slots are Slots 1 and 3, you'll need to use the Crossfire Bridges that came with the motherboard, to be able to connect the cards, as the standard connectors that come with the cards are not long enough.
On another subject, I'm worried now about my Scan Order, I placed it last night, and the site was showing it as being in stock when I placed my order, I woke up this morning and have had an email confirming my order, but nothing about shipping as of yet, just an initial ordder confirmation.
I went to the website to check the order status and there's no info on it on the website, so I go again to product page, and its showing today as only being available for pre-order.... so I'm really, REALLY hoping that the stock status was right at the time of my order and that I'm not going to be stuick waiting AGAIN for stock to arrive.....!!!!!
Anyone else have major trouble with this BIOS update? After installing it, my system wouldn't boot...HDD's were detected, but all were inaccessible. I even had to unplug all HDD's in order to even flash back to my previous BIOS. Flashed back, and all was OK again.
This BIOS was released around the same time that a new BIOS came out for the M3A32-MVP and others, not sure if its a general release date wiht ASUS or something, but I found that I had USB problems, with the new BIOS for my M3A32-MVP (v1301) and also had to flash back to an earlier BIOS to fix the problem, (BIOS v1203).
Might just be a c-incidence or a sign that its a bigger problem within their general BIOS coding for AM2+ boards..!!
Ty kazgirl i was right then cause this person is telling me diffrent , anyways about your board my wife is over in malta and there is a scan there also she has never had a problem with them what so ever but to relax you mind call them and ask them the sooner you know whats going on the better you will be
Right well,
I've had an email from Scan now confirming my order, and giving an expeccted delviery date for tomorrow, but there is a line there that go's on to say that this is subject to stock availability and sales volume and fluctuation etc.....
The order tracking system says its at stage 2 of 4, with 1 being order printed, 2 being the payment authorised, 3 being the product picking, and 4 being the despatch, with emails to be sent at each step...
So far I've had the emails for steps 1 and 2, so order taken and payment taken. Still waiting for the 3rd and 4th.
So given that its supposed to arrive tomorrow, these should come some point today, if they don't arrive by 6pm then I think its safe to say that there's going to be a problem...!!!!
I keep checking my email, as once I get confirmation that the order has been despatched I can start taking M3A32-MVP out of its case and get on with fitting it into my HTPC in the living room, but I don't want to take my main system offline until I know for sure that the mobo is definitely being delivered tomorrow.
Oh well I'll give it another hour and a half until 5:30pm Local Time, and keep my fingers crossed...!!!!
EDIT: Well YAY..:D:D Scan have lived up to their reputation.... I just got an email from them confirming that my item has been picked and the email even includes the Serial # of the motherboard and also the PCI Wireless adapter I bought for the M3A32-MVP as well, so at least I know that they defintiely have the mobo and that once their orders for the day have been picked up by the courier then it should be making its way to me...!!!!
So I guess its time to start taking this PC apart, got lots to do now:
- take the mobo (M3A32-MVP) out of this PC and install into a new case I got for it to replace the HTPC in the living room.
- take the HSF, CPU, RAM, PSU out of the HTPC in the living room, and fit each of them into the new case with the newly installed M3A32-MVP.
- take the IDE DVD-RW out of this PC and fit to the new case with the M3A32-MVP (got to do this because of the SB600 SATA Optical Drive problem thing)
- take the SATA DVD-RW out of the old HTPC and fit to this PC ready for the M3A79-T (now that I know that the SATA Optical thing has been fixed with SB750)
- take the HDD out of the old HTPC and fit to the new case with the M3A32-MVP
- Fit 3 new case fans to the new HTPC case.
- Give the case that the M3A79-T will be going into a good clean to get rid of the dust thats built up.
- Connect up the new HTPC and start it up and see if it all works OK (Bit concerned about this part as I'm using an OEM Vista Install from an old Acer PC that I used to have, the Acer PC had a NV chipset, and when I swapped it from the Acer to the M2N32-SLI PC I built it worked fine, and Windows axtivated no problem, but this time its going into a new mobo, with new CPU, new RAM, different chipset etc, etc, so I'm not sure if it will activate etc....!!)
- Provided it all works OK I then want to take the HDD's out of my main PC that the M3A79-T will be going into and connect them to the new HTPC to do a complete 1's+0's format of both of them to prepare them for a new clean install of Vista when I install the M3A79-T.
- I think thats about it, other than to wait for the new mobo and wi-fi adpater to arrive, maybe even get some sleep while waiting...:D:D
So what do you reckon its coming up to 5pm Local time here, and I want to get all the above done tonight before going to sleep....... doable..??????? or not...????
Well Kaz sounds like you going to be up most of the night from the sounds of it
Well I just got the email from Scan confirmng despatch of my order, and that it will be delviered tomorrow..:cheer::YIPPIE::cheer: :D
At last after all this time, I will finally be getting this mobo.
So I'm about to log off and yes its going to be a very long night of getting things ready, I'm just glad to know for sure that the mobo will be here tomorrow.
I'm just wondering now whether it might be better to wait until the mobo arrives and get it in and wroking before I strip down the other PC as well, just in case, the mobo turns out to be DOA.....
Oh stuff it I'll take a chance. At least I can get the HTPC done tonight, well all apart from the Wi-fi, got to wait for the PCI adapter to arrive before I can get it back into the living room and hooked up to the telly, but at least I can get it all set up and tested.
OK well, back later, much, MUCH later...!!! :up:
Well 4am here now and I finally got everything all finished up, the old PC is now ready and waiting for the new mobo, the old mobo has now been fitted into a new case, the old HTPC has been stripped down and is ready for a new HDD and OS and can then be put in the bedroom as a HTPC there..
And the the new HTPC is up and running albeit without its wi-fi as yet... just connected up to the monitor that my main PC normally uses....
Hope the CityLink courier arrives early tomorrow (well today now) so that I can get it all done and get some sleep...LOL.
i know the feeling all too well Kazgirl, i had 7 hours straight of waterblock fitting fun yesterday, draining loop, tube OD isnt correct, trying workarounds, finding one that takes ages to do, but is the only option.......and on and on
i am knackered this morning, didnt realise how tired i would be, maybe i should have stopped for something to eat other than crisps and lemonade :rolleyes:
anyway, glad to hear its went well so far, sometimes its easier to work on 3 or 4 rigs at the same time rather than just do them by themselves, you get a better picture of whats going on.
although it does take more time, and with your graveyard shift you know exactly what i mean.
but hey, if your anything like me, (or most other peeps on here) you couldnt have gone to bed knowing you had lots of yummy ripping rigs apart to do.
good luck with the final fix, and look forward to your results :up:
Hey Kaz, Hope you got your board today and everything went well at the Hospital... ;)
If you were getting 3.15 out of your 9950 on an SB600 using a 64bit OS you probably have a much better chip than I do. Hopefully you'll get better clocks!
I ran a test for you tonight, and I bumped the HTRef up one, so it's actually a little over 3.2Ghz (3.19 just sounded weak.. :D).....
Here's a 10 pass Linpack run at 3.2 on XP64:
CLICKABLE:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3..._32_IBT_FS.jpg
As you can see, it passed (woohoo)! I circled a couple things on the SS. One is the NBvid @ 1.35v, I've cranked it all the way up to 1.425 for short periods but could never get better than 2.4, and I really don't like running high v's on the NB, so 2.277 at reasonable volts is acceptable to me...
The second is CPUvcore. It's actually set @ 1.425. Under load the board does overvolt by ~.07v's, it actually overvolts a little at idle but that's OK..
The third thing is Temps. I'm on high quality AIR and I still hit 60c during that run. If your on H2O you may not have that problem with the CPU, but I did the finger test on the chokes during the run and they were pretty damn hot...
I'm probably not Xtreme enough for XS, but I've already popped one board and I need this one to last me awhile... :yepp:
FWIW, this is my favorite board so far. I rank them like this as far as OC potential goes (they were all OK at stock speeds):
Gigabyte DS5 (POS)
Asus M3A78-T (Bad, but with early Bios/not sure it's gotten any better)
Gigabyte S2H (OK but weak PWM section and flaky BIOS flashes)
MSI K9A2 (Very good/solid PWM section)
MSI DKA780GX (Excellent/weak PWM section/stay under 1.45 Vcore)
Asus M3A79-T (ROCKS/ Best so far!)
Geez, I spend too much money on this hobby... But it's cheaper than cars!! :rofl:
Hey guys, not trying to hijack the thread or anything, but i recently got this motherboard a few weeks ago. Have Vista 64 installed and it works fine except a few issues that keep driving me up the wall, and i would like to install XP on it.
This is where the problem starts, i have no floppy drive, have no access to one, and really don't want to buy one. I have 2x raptors in raid 0 so i need drivers for the XP install. I've used Nlite to slipstream the drivers into a XP disk, I have tried the one's supplied on the DVD, updated Asus drivers, AMDs drivers, Foxconn's driver, and Gigabytes drivers and none of them have detected my harddrives at the XP installation screen. Am i missing something? I've never had issues like this before with installing raid drivers threw Nlite. :shrug:
do you have the correct settings in the bios?
like setting it to RAID instead if IDE? or something
Yeah i have the correct settings, i installed raid perfectly fine in 32 and 64 bit vista, so i know the raid settings are correct because i haven't changed anything in the BIOS
Iknow this is way off topic but i hope Kazgirl is ok and got her board and i hope there wasnt no problem that came up, still waiting for her to come bk to see what she has to say about the board
Even after the BIOS update, still cannot install XP :(
I opened a new thread the other day but no updates... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=208227
Looking for recommendations for NB cooling - air or liquid options.
Also, have not looked closely, but can you remove just the NB cooler and leave the mosfet and SB or is that copper unit one unit?
If you want to respond here cool...otherwise to the separate link as to not clutter this one up. :shrug:
Hi guys...
Well I've been a bit busy for a while had a few personal things to take care of...
The mobo arrived as promised by Scan, and I even got it all installed into the case the same day. But didn't have time to try to install the OS until today.
Well I fianlly got the OS installed this afternoon.
I've been running into a couple of little oddities with this board compared to the M3A32-MVP.
I've flashed to the latest BIOS 0602, and have installed Vista and all updates, etc...
My temps are great, I'm just testing high voltage temps at the moment and have set VCore to 1.475v and CPU @ 3.2Ghz,
Idle is showing 36C on the CPU (IHS) with Cores showing 37C (C'n'Q disabled of course)
Load is 44C CPU (IHS) and 46C on the Cores.
The oddities I've been having are that whenever I try to amke any changes to voltages in the BIOS for CPU-NB Voltage, NB Voltage, HT Voltage, CPU VDDA etc, then the system fails to POST needing a CLR CMOS via the jumper, which is a real pain as I have to remove one of the 4850's each time to get at the jumper cap, if I keep doing this I'm usre I'll end up wearing off the gold on the X-Fire connector tabs, with all the putting on and taking off of the Crossfire Bridges...:)
Anyway, the other thing I notic4ed is that whenever I do a BIOS change or whenever there is a failed POST the fans on the 4850's jump to full speed and stay there, but when I usually POST OK the fans will jump to full speed upon switching on but then after a moment (like 1 sec or 2) the fans will go to normal speed, and the POST will continue, which is leading me to think there's something flakey about the Power arrangements in the BIOS for the POST procedure.
Anyway, I'm in the process of trying to figure it out, by gradually making cahnges one by one as a proess of elimination to try and rule out the cause of this littel problem.....
So far I've ruled out the following:
CPU Voltage changes - I've changed this incrementally up to 1.475v POST succeeds for each increment
DDR Voltage - This is set at 2.1v for my G.Skill RAM to run at DDR2-1066, this is fine as well.
CPU Multi - 12.5 up to 16 all OK
NB Multi - 10, 11, 12 all OK with NB Voltage at auto.
I'm pretty sure it may have something to do with either the HT voltage, or the CPU VDDA Voltage, settings that is causing it to fail to POST.
I currently am at
CPU @ 3.2Ghz and 1.475V
NB @ 2.4Ghz and (Stock Volts)
HT@ 2.0Ghz (Stock Volts)
RAM @ DDR2-1066 (2.1v)
ACC @ Auto
Pretty much everything else is on Auto settings at the moment, CPU TWeak, Auto Express, etc..etc.
I'm kind of hoping to get this little glitch ironed out soon, so that I can see what's what....
If anyone else has any idea what could be causing it or knows for sure that a particular setting being changed causes a POST failure let me know and I'll try it out to see, in the meantime, I'm oging to carry on with my process of eliminatin technique, one change at a time in the BIOS to see if I can narrow it down to a particular setting.....
It might even just be with this BIOS, I'm not sure, the first thing I did was to flash the latest BIOS so obviously havn't tried any the earlier BIOS'.
OK well hopefully back soon with an update... ;)
I suggest that you set ACC to +4 for all cores to start. I think you may have a flakey core that needs a specific ACC setting. Also, turn off cpu tweak in the bios. This will reduce core heat and maybe give you a minor bump in stability.
My gpu fan also starts high at boot and then drops. Must be a power management issue with the bios, I am on 0602.
Glad you are back Kas, we missed you! :clap:
have you got some spare power buttons/cables and reset button/cables from another rig? use them and connect them up,use three, then just twist the wires together for 'normal' and clear' cmos
this is normal, my GTX260 does this on my AX78 (before watercooling this week)Quote:
Anyway, the other thing I notic4ed is that whenever I do a BIOS change or whenever there is a failed POST the fans on the 4850's jump to full speed and stay there, but when I usually POST OK the fans will jump to full speed upon switching on but then after a moment (like 1 sec or 2) the fans will go to normal speed, and the POST will continue, which is leading me to think there's something flakey about the Power arrangements in the BIOS for the POST procedure.
Well, I don't know if you had checked the manual, but sometimes when your system doesn't post, you can try to restart it and then during boot press DEL, until the system starts normally.Then you can insert the BIOS and change the faulty settings.
Unfortunately, this doesn't work always and sometimes only by clearing cmos by jumper, solves the problem..
I was reffering to the "CLEAR RTC RAM" function, where after changing the jumper you must press DEL.
Page 2-20 of manual.
Im using the 602bios and the 302 is decent but lacks Agesa updates ..The 504 is buggy as bleeep.
First,,
you need to Disable ******two Items*******
Next,,
nice chip, temps are good .
little shy of volts for the NB to function @2400.
This works
CPUvcore 1.512v
NBvcore 1.512v
this should give you a CPU/NBVID value close to 1.42v ..It will work for 3.3-3.35ghz and will be about the same temps you are at now with VDD @2.8v.
The ASUS 79-T will use more Vcore Vs your OLD Mobo MSI..Since the VIDs auto adjust with higher Vcore with SB750.using ACC mearly adds more or less volts to what you intially have set in CPUvoltage and NBvoltage. Using +/- or AUTO ACC.. I disable this ACCfeature after finding it dosnt always auto adjust and will cause a (noboot) if it auto adjust with too much or not enuff volts.
Set the New VDD value and others i have listed below.
Set VDD to 2.8v
set HT to 2.8v
Set Core/pcie to 2.8v
Southbridge AUTO
Keep me posted.
Note: this should give you stability. Even Raising the CPUvcore to 1.6v and Nbvcore to 1.52v on this mobo is no problem ,, your temps are just fine..
I could post Volts or even Screens of what to set( Ive tested them all) while not using ACC for up to 3.5ghz/2600nb if ya like.
Example,,
This is with 1.6v on both NB/CPU
screen is With out ACC...
remember ACC only adds or subtracts volts from what you origanaly set for Vcores.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sus3511mhz.jpg
Which slots do you use for the RAM sticks? I have 2x1GB SuperTalent and I use them in the first two slots next beside the CPU (yellow and black).
Thank you for the replies!
Could someone of you please post a screenshot about the BIOS RAM timing section? Thanks in advance! ;)
Ive spent lots time reviewing and checking spec for running SB/600 and SB/750 HT // CorePCIe // Southbridge volts..1.28volts is @ medium volt range for HT and COREPCI-e ,, 1.28v HT Can easily push 290+ with Phenon and Crossfire..
Southbridge id only adjust if running more than two cards ,, especially if thier overclocked..
The subsystem is 100% even while using stock Heatpipe..Temps are identicle to Auto setting.
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OK well I think that my PSU efficiency may be to blame here, I noticed that whenever I start running a 3DM06 run that the PSU fan starts spinning up faster and faster during the graphics tests, then will slow down during the CPU tests, then speed up again, which to my mind is a clear sign that its having to work harder to provide enough juice when the x-fired 4850's are running at max use....
So I'm wondering if when I try to up the VCore etc, and then the cards try to start up whether the PSU is just insufficient to meet the needs..
My PSU is a 2 year old THermaltake Toughpower 750W.
I'm owndering now whether to step up to a 1Kw PSU or just wait it out until the PhenII's come out, which won't be that far off now really...!!!
I probably won't be adding any more gfx cards for the time being, though had thought about getting another 4850 for a HTPC I have, and might have stuck it in this PC to try out Tri-CF, but given the whole PSU thing I'm not sure it would be wise now...!!!
Hey kAZgIRL Glad to see your still alive, im on a 650 watt right now and im waiting for my 1kw to come in but its not going to get here untill the next month cause of the holidays , the PSU i have right now is running hot and i cant clock my cards like i want to so i think im having issues also the fan isnt speeding up or anything in this here so im getting a new one and im glad your bk
Hey Kaz,, The PSU is just Cycling the Fan for Heatload when the CPU and GPU's are pushing it..
As for the load and PSU fan cycle the PSU should run the Fan higher Under Load..If your not crashing ,,your fine for now.
When there is no load the PSU fan should be Idle (less heat) When there is heavy load it Should Raise to cool PSU)
Run 3mark06 with Rivatuner open in the back ground to check if the GPU's are downclocking in CPU test..this will be less load and the PSU should then be able to use less fan(less heat from load).
If that is the case then i would not worry about the PSU losing volts or trying to up the volts...Its doing its normal cooling cycle.
Although a PSU of 850watts or higher is what id use for Tripple Xfire...I dont think your PSU is a problem ATM untill you use tree cards.
I only use a 650watter for runing 3870x2 @ 920/2200 with my CPU @ 3.5ghz with 1.65volts for CPU/NB...I know i pull Max load and i allways run My GPU fan @ 100% in benches ,,GPU fan stays @ 100% on every test...I can hear my PSU cycle the Fan up to cool its load...This is normal function of most PSU's..Yes your probally pushing it close to max load.
Also for a little more GPU coolness,,
look into what your GPU's are doing during 3Dmark06 and youll see that they may be cycling down per ATIpowerplay..If you dont have a Oc set for them or dont Use 100%fan .Powerplay is know/ can cycle the clocks Up/down it all test more so losing points in Mark test..I always set fans to 100% or disconnect the Blue fan wire(unpin only Blue wire) on each card to enable 100% fan . Sometimes Rivatuner may not do it for both cards.
I dont think your PSU is a problem yet:up:
gOtVoltage
Kazgirl
Once you try 3 way crossfire you never be able to go back (2 way crossfire runs to dran slow) FYI .heheeh!
Hey guiys thanks for the replies...:D
Well the system doesn't crash at my current settings..!!
What I meant was that the PSU may be why I can't seem to OC the CPU any higher, i.e. if the PSU is already at its threshold, then upping the voltage and clocks on the CPU may be increasing the strain.
I've managed to boot into Windows at 3.3Ghz and even at 3.4Ghz but as soon as I try to run anything intensive, especially 3DM06/3DMVantage, then it will crash almost straight away.
Thats why, when I noticed the PSU fan increasing speed during the 3D tests in 3DM06, I started wondering about my PSU maybe being the limiting factor.
The Riva Tuner idea to monitor the CPU/GPU use thing, thanks for the idea, but I have Everest Ultimate setup with the built in Logitech LCD display enabled, as I have the Logitech Z-10 speakers with LCD display and I have all my system temps, and CPU/RAM/GPU utilisation showing on it, so whenever I run a full screen app, I can see the statistics on the speaker LCD display.... :D
Yes, I have noticed that the GPU utilisation cycles in between tests, so say when the first 3D test load the Proxycon one, that the GPU use go's up accordingly, then when the test finishes and 3DM06 does the system scan before the Firefly Forest test, the GPU use drops to idle again, then cycles back up when the FF test starts again, when the CPU tests start the GPU use is zero, and the CPU use is maxed, (well not maxed but between 95-98% per core etc)
So anyway with all this and noticing the PSU fan thing always speeding up when the gfx cards are in use, I just figured that maybe if its doing that at my current settings, then maybe it was a sign that the PSU was being loaded (possibly to the max) with its current loading, and that maybe thats why I can't seem to OC higher, as the PSU just can't push past this and maintain stability...
Does all this make sense... LOL..!!!
Anyway I'm in 2 minds what to do, I really need to get some new HDD's for storage, I also want to save ready for the PhenII (think of the plural of Genie for the pronunciation..LOL... so Phenii or Feen-I ....if you like....:D ) I also want now to maybe get a better PSU.... but Xmas is coming which is going to cost a pretty penny as well....!!!
I hate this time of year.... there always seems to be things I want to get, but Xmas is always around the corner as well..... :( Last year it was Phenom B2, when I got the 9500, then just after Xmas was the AM2+ mobos, then not long after Phenom B3's, then the 4800 Series, then the SB750 AM2+, (which took long enough) and now its coming up to PhenII.... you got love the ongoing upgrade path.... :D
Oh to be uber rich... :D:D
I do have one Question for ya Kaz is you AMD AOD show both GPU's?
well, to further my addiction, I bought this board and another 9950, 125'er. What bios should I use .. I read mixed reviews for many versions....
602 ...ATM ASUS 79-Tdeluxe
Heavily overclocked i can use my SATA and USB's just fine..No audio pops while using onboard HDsound..
Even my Audigy4 works fine when i run with the GTX260 or 3870x2..
Just take the time to tweak Voltages and Ram..its by far the most stable ..
Most problems arise when people run ACC too+ high or _low or even use Auto instead of manual tuning..Auto can easily undervolt/Overvolt cpu This goes for all bioses ATM.Matter of fact i use a combination of High VDD with ACC+4 and 1.62volts for 3520mhz with 1175mhz ram..
I like this Bios very much.
compared @ 3.5ghz VID's needed to be 1.55 +vdd 2.8 ,,
292x12,,,,
302= 292htt no ACC/auto+2 would reboot
403=292htt No ACC/auto+2 would reboot
504=280htt was real buggy would shut down and have to ClearCmos using ACC.
602=296+ can use ACC+4 with less VID(1.52) while using VDD@2.8@3520
I have not had to Clear CMOS even after +8ACC and FORCING a bunch of reboots testing.Thats a big gain in my book .Means ACC is actually working somewhat.
Ram will vary but i try to use the Highest Freqency i can ,,which is 1220mhz @ below 3.4mhz... 1175mhz for 3520mhz..
Thats my 2cents.
thanks for the info GotVoltage... The board and CPU arive today..I am working today but am off untill monday...so I should have some good try's at this setup..:up:
Guys is anyone noticing squealing sounds from his setup.When i open cpu tweak the sound goes away, disable , noise back. It's very annoying beacause it transfers through my studio monitors.
Hiya..
Yes AOD shows both GPU's in Diagram and detailed System Info tabs:
Diagram:
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ll/AODPIC1.jpg
Detailed:
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ll/AODPic2.jpg
But notice that it doesn't display the Clocks for them though, probably as they've been OC'd via ATI Overdrive...!!!
Wow thats messed up cause it only see one GPU , but in status montior part it doesnt show no Gpu
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3.../untitled2.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3.../untitled1.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...untitled-2.jpg
It could be your PSU underload...
Mine dosnt sqeal and i run the whole system maxed with 11-120fans and two pumps and two Sata optical drives and 1 SataHD and 1 usb Printer @3.5ghz,,with a new GTX260/216 .
Im Also only using a 650watt PSU ATm and seems pretty good...
Your on a 620watt..It could be PSU being noisy or even the GPU4850 making a little noise....
I get no extra sounds though any devices..My sound is crisp and Clean ..I use a Audigy4 with Gaming headphones along with a 5.1 surround set up when i watch DVD's and burn disks.
Also in the BIOS i use CPU tweak enabled.. I dont overclock with AOD except to look at settings.
im using 2.8vdd and +4ACC ATM @ 3.514mhz 2400NB @ 1.65v cpu / 1.6v nb which gives me 1.55vid cpu and 1.46vid nb while using ACC.
I have not heard any sqealing or audio noise through my system with any Overclock i have done on the ASUS 79-T to date.
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