hmmmm...so you are saying no post or just no boot at any mhz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekogre
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hmmmm...so you are saying no post or just no boot at any mhz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekogre
shrek I would rma man.
I have the exact problem with the board, sometime I have to turn it down and up few time till it boots (with 7/10 bios on stock). I described by problem here - http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...&postcount=679 we probably had bad luck and need to RMA it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekogre
The reason I haven't RMA it yet is I still have lots of work to do on it, RMA will take few days :( when the board does boot it run solid without any problems. I haven't shut it down for a week now.
Can you write yours spec and where you bought the board ?
no post everytime i reboot or save setting in bios at any mhz, even stock. need to hold power button for it to off, then on again to get it booting. not really a serious problem but very annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
the only same hardware i have with you is the 4870. i swop ram/psu/cpu and it doesn't work. you can try powering it down by holding the power long enough. the next reboot will work.Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
How much is "long enough" for shuting it down ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekogre
Definitely RMA the board, if it is not running correctly at stock settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekogre
Shrekogre,Ace-a-Rue
Which PCB version of the board you have ? I have V5.1 (it's written on the board itself).
maybe abt 5s or so. i got a 5.0Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
Can you explain me exactly your method of turn off the board ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekogre
After you try to power on the board and no light on the diagnostic led, what you do next ?
I cannot power it down by pressing on the power button for few seconds (not with the case button and not with the on board button), I have to turn off the PSU to shut it down.
I'm guessing we have same type of problem but not the exact problem.
once i get the no display on the diagnostic led. i press and hold the casing power buttom till it shutdown. usually takes abt 5s. then the next powerup everything is fineQuote:
Originally Posted by napox9
i have ver 5.1...Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
i am almost positive that it is your Sapphire HD4870...have you tried another video card?
EDIT:...do this: increase your NB voltage to about a +0.40 or +0.50 add...and also, your CPU PLL voltage to either 1.6v or 1.7v...those two might help with this save and reboot problem with the no post.
you and shrekogre have the Sapphire HD4870...to me it sounds like that card is causing the problem...interesting that Biostar produced the previous bios to stop the no post problems for the PCIe 2.0 9800 series cards...i am thinking that ATI's new series has a quirk in their bios causing a misfire with Biostar's bios.
Now I'm glad I use previous generation graphics, lol. Mine is rev. 5.1 from the egg, fwiw.
I'm still using the E7200 on this board but have switched over to my 2x2GB Reaper 1066 kit. I have to say I'm pretty impressed with the bandwidth once I dialed up the DDR2 Enhance from 'Auto' to 'Enabled' I ran my 1150's up into 540-550fsb range but this kit is working really well with only 448fsb and that way I can keep the chipset/VTT/PLL voltage nice and low.
I didnt try it with other video card, but the problem isnt at the video card and I'm sure in 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
This board was designed to show error message on the diagnostic led (the 2x 7-segments) when a video card isn't connected to the board - 2E, You are welcome to try it.
When I boot the computer without a video card the diagnostic leds don't show anything, I have to turn off/on few times to get the 2E error. After that I reconnect the video card and play with the turning off/on untill it boots.
I talked on other forums with people that use 4870 with this board (even 4870 crossfire), they didnt have problem.
have you tried leaving the board totally disconnected without any power cables hooked up; removing the memory and video card; detach any hardware connect cables like SATA and IDE to the board and then, remove the battery and leave it overnight with the CMOS in the clear jumper position?
if you live in the USA, you can go buy a PCI or PCIe inexpensive video card from wal-mart and then return it once you have found that it is not suitable for you;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by thehinge1
it surprises a lot of users!:yepp:
everytime i post without my 9800 in, i get about 4 quick post codes before it stops on 2E...Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
since you are not getting 2E everytime, i would do what i said in my previous post: clear CMOS overnight with battery & hardware out (except for cpu) and everything unhooked.
if that does not help, then RMA the board.
You are not kidding, my man! The GTL's on this board are so responsive - I am running ridiculously low chipset & VTT voltages compared to where I had to set a certain board with 'E' in the model name which got RMA'd after consistently flaking out on a daily basis. If the new one is not any better I may very well ask my shop to get me another I45 and I'll just add a firewire card for my vidcam - or get the 'D' model & hope it's a good one.
I'll post my settings when I've pushed everything down to the lowest stable volts at 3.8 on the E7200.
Bad joke: What is ASUS without U? :rofl:
*Note: I've owned some half dozen ASUS boards in the last few years or so, and I've been snakebitten 2x back-to-back lately.*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
this is an excellent board for a budget board.
once you get the hang how to set the bios setting under "O.N.E.", this board can soar!
i'm pretty sure its not the gfx too. b4 I put it into my casing, I used a 6200tc. same results. however, after a while the problem getting lesser and lesser. not sure why
my mushkin 1066mhz with the blue heatspreaders will not overclock AT ALL on this board but I just ordered some ballistix tracers with microns in them :D
have you cleared "NVRAM?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekogre
have you cleared CMOS with battery out; everything unhooked; memory, VC and devices detached for a full 8 hours?
Right now I'm only running my 1066 Reapers at 1075 with the E7200 at 3.806GHz but the throughput is well dialed in. I needed +0.300 Vcore, but only +0.250 Vdimm, +0.200 on the chipset, and +0.100 VTT. GTL's are 0.63 on both cores and 0.56 on the MCH with PLL at 1.5v. Not too shabby IMO for a 50% cpu OC on fairly quiet air :up:
I may even be able to push a hair lower on chipset & VTT, and am considering placing the E0 stepping 8400 on this thing!
Anyone able to run a 9800gx2 on this board? I get a halt at 85, no video.
7/10 bios, works fine with many other cards.
What RCOMP are you using? Try Config 3 500fsb 1/1 DDR-1000. I have two sets of Ram that don't like high memory speeds hit some kind of wall going above 500.Quote:
Originally Posted by philbrown23
There was this post -Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/....php?p=3175489
It was about Xtreme Overclocking but he uses I45 & 9800gx2 unmodded.
You should try to use this card on another board for finding the problem.
That was my next check but I got it, works fine.
Please share with us what was the problem the how you solved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
have you tried taking MCH GTLREF out of auto and use 59% for a dual core or 64% for a quad?Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
also, CPU Clock Configuration is important once you go above 500 FSB for a dual and 450 for a quad.
who is the maker of that card?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
anyway to make that card just work with one core; like a disabling feature on the card?
I still havent figured out whats causing this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomSayer
I messed around with settings but it keeps happening.
Cold boots are fine but when i restart i have to save bios settings to get it booting again.
most likely you do not have enough NB volts and/or Vcore.
what also could do that is having the wrong/incorrect value for CPU GTLREF and MCH GTLREF.
don't forget to experiment with CPU PLL voltage.
played around this evening with my tforce and got the max fsb little bit higher :D
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...tos/635fsb.jpg
CPU - E8600 Q820A598
Cooling-NB cooled with watercooling ....cpu cooled with intels stock cooler :up:
MB - Biostar Tforce45 rev 5.1 (no mods)
RAM - cellchock pc2 8000
VGA - 8800 gt
HDD - wd raptor ata 7200
PSU - tagan BZ 1100w
Bios settings
Over-Clocking Navigator - Manual
Intel SpeedStep - Disabled
Ratio CMOS Setting - ×6
CPU Frequency Setting : 600 worked my way upto 635 with setfsb
Over Clock Retry Count : 1
FSB(Bsel) To NorthBridge Latch : 1333
DDR2 Enhance Mode : Disabled
************************************************** ***********
DRAM Timing Configuration
DDR2 RCOMP Configuration : Configuration 2
Static tREAD Value : 13
Configure DRAM Timing by SPD : Enabled but didt change anything
************************************************** ***********
Clock Gen Configuration
PCIE Frequency Setting : 100
CPU Clock Skew Control : 200ps
(G)MCH Clock Skew Control : Auto
CPU Clock Driving Control : Auto
************************************************** ***********
Voltage Configuration
CPU Voltage : +0.125
DDR Voltage : +0.500
Chipset Voltage : +0.600v
FSB Voltage : +0.3500v
CPU Core1 GTL Ref Voltage : 0.63*VTT
CPU Core2 GTL Ref Voltage : 0.67*VTT
MCH GTL Ref Voltage : Auto
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.6v
It was just a dumb user error. I had to use the bottom card's dvi output to boot. I could have sworn it said top one in the setup guide. The GX2 cards are weird. But screaming fast!Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
good!...glad you sorted that out and "user error" is very common in this forum:D
HEY!...this is excellent!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
now, you need to crank the multi up to see where it gets to with your top Mhz for that E8600.
yes sir :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
cooling that i used was my 2 stage cascade (build by piotres )
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...otos/9x644.jpg
unfortunately i cant boot into windows with 10x600 or 9.5x600 :(
Intel's stock cooler :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
633x9 with stock ? WoW.
How are the intel's heatsink+fan so good ? The heatsink is so tiny !
I took this pictrue few days ago -
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scn0283ed1.jpg
Vendetta 2 and Intel stock (came with E8400).
Is the difference so negligible in performances ?
heh i think you mixed my screenies brotha :D that screenie where i did 635fsb i had multi 6 enabled :yepp: and yeah that was done with intels stock coolerQuote:
Originally Posted by napox9
^
ah, ok :rolleyes:
Which cpu cooling you used for the 633x9 (last picture) ?
hahah its actually 644x9 :D hahah nice to see that other people besides me needs classes :DQuote:
Originally Posted by napox9
in that last pic i used my 2 stage cascade :up:
:doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
Okay, thx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
very nice..throw up some 3D benches and a 32M super piQuote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
I did take MCH GTL Ref off of auto and tried 59 VTT. I'm still not having much success with the Patriot Viper I can get above 500 but it just doesn't feel right and the Kingston HyperX is still in my TP45 HP at 500x8 1/1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
I've now got my E8600 in my new DFI LanParty JR and I'm trying to Prime/OCCT stabilize at 533 1/1 1066 with my 4GB kit of OCZ Reaper PC2-8500.
I still think I can find what it takes to unlock those kits and I'll be back at it with the TPower I45 once I decide on what kind of new CPU I should get for my new build.
What do you mean exactly by CPU Clock Configuration? I think my problem is more related to memory/chipset/RCOMP interaction but maybe I'm not getting the CPU to mesh properly with those parameters as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
have you tried the other memory to see if you get different results since taking MCH out of auto?
go to the 1st page of this thread and look at my settings for my E8500...i have updated the images that i had for 520 FSB...i now show the ones which got me to 550 FSB
Just got this board up tonight.
It's giving me major headaches, my QX6850 absolutely won't budge. Haven't gotten internet yet, so bios is stock. will a flash help here?
anyone have quad advice they'd like to share?
1st page, settings for QX9650 :D
well, yah saw that.
guess i haven't tried quite that much vnb..but other than that...
you need to crank the voltage UP!;)...if you worry over heat issues, put a fan on the NB.:up:
yeh, at 1.088v BIOS is massively undervolting NB, i know. so i guess that's where i go next.
what is your current FSB & CPU Mhz (also, model cpu)?
QX6850 currently on 9x400 fsb with +4 vnb BIOS target, and 1.35v real. I think i might just leave it be right here. It's a family build, so i don't think another 400mhz is gonna be crucial. also it's on that 92mm Xig still with pushpin mount, which is really affecting temps, so although i could, i'm not going to 1.4v.
Another thing though, does this board have a DIMM slot preference? cause i've having a lot of trouble getting my sticks to stock (GEIL 1066 CL5 2.2-2.4v) in slots 2&4. It seems BIOS just really doesn't like me manually setting ram speeds...
as far as preferred dimm slots...always try 1 & 3 before trying 2 & 4...my board has no difference between either bank.
what Vdimm are you using?
2.4v, high end of spec'd v
9x400 needs a little over 1.4v to be stable, so i think i'm going to keep it at 9x360 until i get a backplate, ram underclocked at 960mhz.
guess my chip just sucks. good thing i didnt pay retail price =]
hello,
wich 4gb kit for Overclocking is the best for this MoBo?
cellshock memory is probably the best performer..8 layers of PCB is optimum...i saw a 4gb kit (2 x 2gb) made by Gskill at newegg for $300 which i thought was way overpriced!...it was also 8 layered PCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by RNeon
Ace-a-Rue, I'm starting to think my problem is with the PSU and not with the Mother-Board as I thought at start.
1. It's not a VC problem since the problem occurs also when no VC is connected (not getting error message on the 7-segment).
2. I noticed when the 4870 is connected and I get a good boot none of the 4 LEDs on the VC turns on (good thing) but when I don't get a boot 3 out of 4 LEDs turn on, That means a power problem.
I don't have another PSU here to check it but I can try to connect this PSU to my old P4 and see what happens.
doesn't the 4870's need both a 6 PCIe and an 8 PCIe plug?Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
Well, I ordered an e8600 to replace my q9450. It's been running great at 3.92Ghz for at least a month so far, but a friend was looking for a new CPU and I was looking for a higher per-core clock. I've been a little disappointed since I got this quad, given the fact that my favorite game (NFSMW) doesn't take advantage of the extra cores. It runs slightly slower than it did on my 65nm dual. Given 490 being stable with a quad, should I expect more FSB headroom going to the dual? I'm also hoping for tighter memory timings, since the quad seems to have hit them pretty hard.
--Matt
4870s use 2 6-pin connectors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
--Matt
it must be the the X2 4870's since i read a review that stated that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
i said the same thing back many pages...this board does far better with a dual core.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
:/ Hows it handle a Q6600?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
i presume the same way as a 9650, 9550 or 9450
Fantastic! Hopefully my luck will be similar. 490mhz FSB wall is for the birds!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
--Matt
Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
i found this in the newegg specs for a single 4870...so...it might behoove you to at least borrow another PSU to see if the PSU could be the problem:
Quote:
450 Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express power connector
That requirement doesn't look completely correct. 4870 definitely has two connectors. See pics:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7798.html
--Matt
you miss the point...it is stressing the watts that each 6 PCIe plug has to be able to deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
Today I connected my PSU (Corsair VX550) to my old P4 and got same problems !!!!!11one
I will RMA this PSU later this week, it was much easyer for me to put the blame in the mother-board/ memory/ video card than the new PSU. :rolleyes:
I guess the learning of some things come only at the hard way.
I will update you after getting the new PSU.
dood even my 1000 watt psu bogs down a little with a high oc and a 4870/4850 crossfire connected, if I were you I would get 750 watts AT LEAST
^^IAWTC
corsair TX750 is a great, reliable psu, and it's preddy darn cheap.
Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
My Kill-A-Watt reads 528w at the wall with a single 4870@800/1100 and a q9540@3.92 running furmark and prime, but that's with a single 7200rpm HDD and not much else. Bad PSU or not, you're definitely straddling the line at 550w... You may consider upgrading it instead of replacing with the same.
--Matt
The 4870 never was the problem since the problem was there even without any video card connected.
But I will consider replacing the PSU for a stronger one.
The Kill-A-Watt is a nice gadget, but there is only 110v version :/
550w is the MAXIMUS output for that psu so yeah he's definately pushing it.
on a diff note i hit 541 fsb today not to hard either most is still on auto ;)
Which program you use for checking the temp with this board ? Almost every program shows me different number :/ (I'm using the newest BIOS)
- The program that came with the mother board disk shows the same number as on the 7-segment (on the board itself).
- Realtemp 2.70 shows me another number.
- OCCT v2.0.0a shows me the same number as SpeedFan 4.35 and this number is different from the other two above.
what max temp is showing for your processor?...105C or 95C?
WHile we're on this topic, anyone know tjmax for 65nm quads? QX6850 spec'ly?
all software temps programs are off a few degrees would'en the true temp come from the bio readings you see in the bios..?:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
Define "few degrees" :pQuote:
Originally Posted by bigwill68
I'm talking about 17c difference at idle between the programs.
This is a picture with a very basic OC at idle -
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2595/i45tempqb3.th.jpghttp://img20.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
Edit: I tried CoreTemp0.99.3 as well and it shows me different temp from all the rest programs.
The temp in bios on my Tpower shows 239c :rofl:
Yea are you all refering to the 'hardware health monitor' thing that comes on at boot?
i wouldn't trust that with my dog's life.
These softwares aren't reading the temperature, they're calculating it based on readings they recieve from the diodes all based on the value it assumes is tjmax. That's why, unless you know the value it's using is correct, you can't trust any of them wholesale. Based on when they were created and by whom, each different program has a different default tjmax. Bios uses the same kind of calculations as any other software and is just as much an 'estimate' as anything else.
Find the right tjmax for your chip and use Real Temp.
Or buy an IR gun and remove your heatsink every time you want to check the temp...XD
Now intel has released official tjmax values for all their chips, and they are buried somewhere in the forums, but i can't find them atm, so i'd be grateful to anyone who can.
There is possible that a new BIOS are coming soon, after our Biostar dealer asked us costumers for improvments! We have suggested that the voltage steps should be smaller (0.010) and, its gonna show real volt instead of +0.150, instead it will be 1,400 (1,250v stock). They have contacted Biostar and have recived a positive answer about our wishes! Anyone here that dont like these wishes or are they good?
~ Mortis360
That sounds great! that's one of my big issues with this board!
I've heard people complaining that some of the RAM dividers don't work.
And currently it won't run my GEIL 1066 cl5 at 1066, i have it at 800 cl4. i'm thinking it's a BIOS issue as these stcks work fine on other boards, so if they could work on that, that would be fantastic.
Wow this is a great mobo! I've been priming away at 4.4Ghz (440x10) on 1.32v hitting a max of 69c for an hour or so now without issue (early days yet I know) but I'm noticing that the VRM heatsink and the NB are getting very hot to the touch. Most of my settings are on Auto except for RAM volts, CPU volts and FSB strap. CPU PLL is set at 1.5v. I think the chipset volts is set at +0.300v or so. Has anyone else got this board running with a similar overclock? If so whats the temperature of your heatsinks to the touch?
I'm not overly worried but it would be nice to know of others experiences.
I must say I love this board as its undoubtedly the easiest board I've worked with and that includes my old P5K Premium, P5K-E and S2E which were all extremely fussy about which RAM you put in them and/or had cold boot issues.
NB. Should of mentioned that I'm currently running on air with an OCZ Vendetta 2.
Is it worth selling my p5k deluxe wifi for this board? I have a q6600 that was doing about 3.8 ghz on water, but after bios updates, basically killed my OC past 3.6 ghz. I'm guessing I could push my chip farther with this board or at least get back to where I was? As well, it'll take ddr2 1000 g skill 2x2gig kits?
Tipsed them about it, theyre gonna talk to Biostar about that problem, and hopefully get it fixed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Slovnaft
~ Mortis360
why not just go back to the last BIOS?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Synthetickiller
I haven't had great luck with my QX6850 on this board, though I attribute that mainly to coarse voltage settings and, possibly, the chip itself. I've only gotten 3.6 absolutely stable at 400fsb, but I've definitely been up to 4ghz easily and I've been very conservative with volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Synthetickiller
IMO, no.
I was just interested if the p45 architecture would buy me anything. It's an awesome board. I just want an excuse to upgrade really within a small budget.
Thanks for the heads up. :up:
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortis360
awesome.
This is my biggest complaint of this board... screwy voltage adjustments.
Dangit, I just took my I45 back and then this news comes out :mad:
i just wonder if your E8400 CO stepping temps would be different if it was a EO stepping..instead..a few people..i've talked to ran in to temp problems with the CO..i find alot people looking for the SLB9J ,Batch #Q820A726:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
The sooner the better. More refinement in the BIOS is a good thing. I also have some sticks that give me trouble at high speeds on my TPower and I'm hopeful that a new BIOS might remedy the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortis360
I love this board, and the P45 chipset is WAY better than any X38 I've ran and I've run,asus,gigabites,dfi,andmsi X38's and p35's. my only beef is with volt adjustments.
My RMA replacement P5Q-E should be here tomorrow. I'm curious to see if it can even huff the I45's exhaust on a consistent basis. Stay tuned :rofl:
e8600 is in and running pretty well at 4.4 (550x8). I'm able to run my memory at 1100mhz@5-5-5-15 pl9. I'm impressed with the performance so far! Pi times are 10.6ish at the moment. I'm currently running the chip at 1.336 VID and 1.256 FSB. One core errors in prime after 7.5 hours of running small FFTs. If my past experience with the q9450 is anywhere similar to this, it should just take a VTT adjustment to get it stable past that. The voltage selection really does suck in this bios though, the next jump lands me all the way up to 1.39. I've not touched the driving control or skew values yet, so there may still be more fun to be had. It's nice to see my ram running at 1100! I could never get it that high with the quad at any reasonable FSB.
--Matt
I just ordered this board today. I cant wait! The only thing that worries me abit is the southbridge heatsink. How does it perform? Im thinking about picking up that low profile enzotech heatsink. http://www.frozencpu.com/products/67...?tl=g40c16s501
southbridge works just fine, basically same as the enzotech would imo.
yeah, there's really no reason to worry about the southbridge.
Now the NB cooler...sigh. It gets really hot and its designed for passive cooling so doesn't respond well to active cooling. If it weren't for the heatpipe i'd look into replacing that.
have you checked does the nb heatsing make good contact with the nb chip ?? i had a terrible contact and after reaplying thermal compound i got much lower temps :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slovnaft