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Keep going! This board is capable of great things!
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anyone got 500fsb on this board with quads?? like Q6600 or QX6850
testing 485x8 atm 3 out of 4 cores are stable, core 2 keeps getting rounding errors in prime, have yet to try occt.
a few others have had success with 500
EDIT: just lock'd up and bsod
I just got some trouble here.
Was about to reboot and the computer rebooted, but then it said CPU INIT.
Tried to clear cmos, put battery out for 3hours
I took the motherboard out too and checked everything.
Will try with a different cpu tomorrow...
The Dominators should be able to handle that speed, I was however using my Team Xtreem DDR2 800 rated RAMs for that shot. They seem designed for more rough, aggressive speeds. Yes, they were in the white slots. Blue slots won't let you overclock too close to 1200mhz, let alone past it. I top out around 1170 + 5-10, and usually unstable.
The max I could get for a boot into windows was 495 on my quad.
CPU init seems to be a dreaded post message to encounter on this board. I would remove all power cables and let it sit for an hour and try again.
I have question about memory. I have 4x1GB G.Skill HZ and in bios i have something like that:
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7...6894dj9.th.jpg
3328MB ?? What the f... ?
But cpuz shows 4096mb, and everest 3328mb - so what is going
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7...ytuucn5.th.jpg
Any sugestion ? Bios 0802
No that's no problem with system. I know that i must have 64bit OS.
The question is why in bios shows me 3328mb ...
PS.
After some test in bios, i know where was "problem" - MEMORY REMAP FEATURE :) This option was disabled. When i change to enabled - bios shows me 4096mb.
Anyone using that little fan from the kit?
I have mine installed and for the last 2 days its been craping out.
It's really getting LOUD and spinning very slow. Is it really required or can I toss it in the trash?
You would think that by now Asus could make a f___king fan.
Yes, email them and they will send another.
here's 3dmark06 under vista x64 with a stock G80
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x..._x64_3dmar.jpg
question about load temps. im seeing about 10-12 degree difference between 1st and 3rd core under load. does that mean i didnt install the heatsink properly?
edit: btw, this is after i installed a thermalright 120. i had a tuniq tower installed before and the temp delta was not this much. i did noticed thw thermalright had a way more convex base than the tuniq.
i think 10*F is normal from core1&2 to core3&4. If you're OC (obsessive compulsive), you might try to lap your cpu and then try reseating, then try reseating 90deg... I dont think it will make a difference, someone tell me I'm wrong...
Reseating my TRUE 90deg different made a small difference, but the way the cooler then covered so much of the board made it difficult to work with so I turned it back to normal.
hey guys, this is my first post here and was wondering how is this so far:
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3...9650oc1su8.jpg
I am running this on air with thermalright 120 exteme with my maximus formula se with bios 0902. I put in 1.3625 volts. So far so good.
This is exceptable in the 1st week of TIM break in. It will or may decrease as the days go by. Lapping will even out the differences from core to core and overall CPU temp as well.
Mounting 90deg will do nothing fro core to core temp differences, only overall CPU temp providing PSU or exhalst fan is above it to pull air.
has the prime95 issue been fixed with this board????
What Prime95 version, and what issue? I've used on this mobo since new on all BIOS and to current v0903 with Prime95 v25.5. What would I have noticed if going wrong?
Hi, everyone.. just wanted to say Hi and let everyone know I LOVE this information. This has been my best rebuild (best gear) then finding this forum was the iceing on the cake. I still need to get a better cooler to overclock beyond the little I have overclocked
thanks all :up: :up:
Right now I'm trying to overclock with just 2gigs instead of 4 hopefully this solves the issues with me failing every test. FYI: I am a noob at overclocking so maybe this is why I'm having issues.
What the :banana::banana::banana::banana: !!!!!!!!!
I left all the setting on auto except for the dram voltage (2.0V) and the fsb 9x366 and it's stable . LOL
The voltage CPU-z reads is 1.320 I wonder if thats correct .
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...Untitled-6.jpg
This is a noodle scratcher
hey guys i wanted to ask if 0903 improves overclocked stability? i was at 0902 but then i flashed down to 0602 cause i heard it didnt have the temp issue but it does (atleast for me), so i might as well go back up to 090x
Never ben an issue so much as just a fact of limitations, a trade off.
I dont under this so called temp issue. Even if there was an issue with the thermister, as it were in the P5WD2, is couldn't be fixed by a BIOS flach nor would it matter what app was used to read it since the actual sensor thermistor sends the same info to any app. The only change that can be made/changed in our BIOS, is to readout the CPU IHS temp v/s the core die temps combined, since this is coming from the CPU directly.
in F°, as Electric Eyes told you, it is normal fluctuation that can be influenced, like Kup said, by reseating your heatsink. But sometimes, only lapping would help, but you'll always have at least some 5°F difference. In anycase, you're fine. If those were °C, I'd worry
Well this is my first post.. i'm not sure if im posting in the right thread..
well i found this on the asus website.. for RAID drivers.
Is this what i need to make a disk/flash drive/floppyQuote:
Version 1.17.15.0 2007/09/24 update
Description JMicron JMB363 RAID Driver V1.17.15.0 for Windows XP/Vista and Windows 64bit XP/Vista.(WHQL) Make JMicron JMB363 AHCI/RAID Driver Disk for Windows XP/Vista and Windows 64bit XP/Vista.
JMicron JMB363 RAID Driver V1.17.15.0 for Windows XP/Vista and Windows 64bit XP/Vista.(WHQL)
Make JMicron JMB363 AHCI/RAID Driver Disk for Windows XP/Vista and Windows 64bit XP/Vista.
File Size 5.38 (MBytes)
to be installed at the beginning of the Vista installation to set up raid.:shrug:
i am quite frustrated to see the forums dont hv any newbie section:mad:
Plus i would also like to know whether this board will support a simple kingston 6400 2 GB(dual channel) RAM chips??:shrug:
Also please guid me as to how to flash the bios from "step 1" to the latest BIOS version... n suggest the best BIOS right now.:shrug:
thank you.
if u find it too lame to post here then please contact me on my e-mail.. gaurav.shh@gmail.com
I still would like to see a step by step guide too for making a boot flash drive from start to finish, and flashing your mobo.
It is still a grey area in my mind, and you never seem to get all the info at once.
I wish one dude who has his boot drive creation game up to speed would make us a guide too....
;) Use asus update in windows to update your bios. Works best.
At idle my core#1&2 are 5-10*C higher than core#3&4. Under OCCT load the differences are tighter and don't seem to go above a 5*C difference. I agree 10*C seems like alot, thats 50*F!, but I've read elsewhere this is normal... Do we all have a bad mount or something? I used Arctic Ceramique and applied according to their directions.
3-6°C between core is the most frequent. I had two Q6600. The first, was about 2°C difference only, the second, is about 5°C on load. I tried reseating many times, and also rotating my Apogee GT waterblock. In fact, as well described, I noted a trend change on the temperature difference when rotating the waterblock. It depends on the water flow through the cores, and probably on the flatness of surfaces.
This was largely debated in late 2006/early 2007 when quad cores arrived. Lapping the IHS of CPU helped most people at limiting the difference in temperature. Also, using some blocks like the Fuzion or the GTX is known to help
At 10°C difference on load, I'll definetely lap my CPU if temperature is limiting the OC
Anyone using DDR2 1300? $274 for 2x1GB.. It's looking sweet right now
Temp is def my limiting factor. Jan is when I will take apart my WC loop and then I plan to use a custom backing plate and use a fuzion nozzle setup for the cpu. Lapping a cpu, right now for me, is like the black arts. Not sure what's involved or what tools to use to go about it. I am very pleased with my speed and dont think even with all the addons ill make it stable over 4GHz, but it's worth a try, if not just once.
I was intimidated by lapping, but there are some great tutorials online, and as long as you are meticulous and careful, it should go fine and I noticed a drop of about 4-5 degrees Celsius. (My heatsink base was really uneven)
huh.. thanks for the over whelming response..
well anyway..
the asus update utility seems fine but what to do if one wants to update bios before installaton of windows???Quote:
Use asus update in windows to update your bios. Works best.
Use EZ Flash from within the bios. The AsusUpdate method is for reverting back from 0902 to an earlier bios.
@GAR
qx9650 that I borrowed from work doesn't have the prime bug (4.0ghz with stock voltage on water)
seems to be only with Q6600 even with bios 0903
You're right. Before lapping, you also can check if the IHS is really concave or not. Take a razor blade and put it on the IHS surface. Direct a spot of light towards it and see how much light can pass between the IHS and blade.
Also, the GTX is a good block, You won't gain much migrating to the Fuzion. In any case, the few degrees won't give more OC headroom.
The backplate is definately worth it. Mounting the GTX without it is kinda a lottery. You have really to make many mounts before finding the sweet spot. Also, turning the mounting screws too much will bend your motherboard loosing some contact between the WB and IHS. You have to try, while Priming on small FFT, untightening the screws alternatively till you find a better contact. This is really vital with the GT/GTX blocks.
If you use the bowed version of the WB, this will be even more true. You also have to try horizontal and vertical mounting on the socket.
It can look troublesome to do all these testings, but really worth it. Was also well discussed in the forums here january 2007 then mid june if I remember when Swiftech included the new backplate with the WB.
The easiest option: contact michelle@Swiftech. She will ship you for some 6USD a backplate for your GTX and socket 775. The biggest advantage, is that the mounting will be reproductible and won't depend on the screws tightening strength
When I prime with my q6600 (whatever test) It just restarts out of nowhere but completely stable under SuperPI, OCCT, and Everest Stability.A lot of users have been reporting this problem but I can prime at 400 fsb but anything over 420, it just restarts.
I haven't tried running 2 instances of Orthos though. It doesn't seem to happen with C2D users though
interesting, ill pump in 1.6v to the QX9650 and report in.. i'll also do the same with my E6300 to see if I can narrow the issue down to either voltage or FSB.
If your right, that sucks for my q6600, I cant stabilize 3.8ghz with anything under 1.5v. Do you remember what page the bug was described on?
loading prog was prime95 with 4 worker threads. ill try reseating the heatsink today. btw, can someone tell me which quadrants on the cpu (given that the edge with the triangle is on the bottom right) roughly correspond to which core? or are they not laid out like that?
So I woke up and my system was still stable.
3.3ghz @ 1.32V
I guess thats fine for now :) on 4x1GB 2.0V @ 900MHZ
:)
There's two dual cores in there. Look towards the bottom middle of the link for a pic of what's underneath the heat spreader.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appi..._quad_wcap.pdf
I am using the backing plate that came with the GTX, but it is still bowing the board. That's why I gotta go custom with a 1/4" steel plate... I'll check for flatness with the razor blade idea. I've premounted 4 times before the final mount, so it will be interesting to see if it really is still flat. Also I'll go with AS5 instead of ACeramique.
everything auto except for
fsb : 366
Dram : 2.0
No, it's not that. If Prime hangs, and closes, than your PC is unstable. The prime95 bug will show in task manager: the CPU utilization is not 100%, rather 70% what ever you do
So launch prime95, and check CPU usage for the Prime95.exe process in task manager (not the graph which would show a wrong 100%). If the Prime95 process is too far than 100%, that's the Prime95 bug mentioned by GAR and confirmed by many
It appeared on 3.6GHz if I remember and especially above 1.5 or 1.55 vcore if I remember
I managed 480 FSB on my G0 Q6600 (L737B) using my IP35 Pro. I think it had more to go but the IP35 Pro just couldn't handle it. I just picked up a Maximus so hopefully it can do at least the same if not better.
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h5...B--OCCT1hr.jpg
I personally like this lapping kit. Includes everything you need.
http://www.svc.com/lapkit-p.html
The problem that I was having before downgrading to 0602 is that all the BIOS past 0602 gave incorrect readings from the core didn't matter which program you used the CPU at idle would read 50C or so, under load it was at 80C or so, under 0602 I get 22-25 C Idle and under load 35-45 C depending on which progam loading with. I hope this helps.
Has anyone replaced the nb heatsink with a Thermalright HR-05?
Or how about a Thermaltake ES II?
(http://www.thermaltake.com/product/C...4/cl-c0034.asp)
If so, then what are your results?
I'm wondering if the aforementioned coolers would would be more effective than the stock Formula heatsink with a 40m fan. I used these coolers on my old ICFX3200 and still have them hanging around.
Also, are there any issues with mounting a Tuniq Tower on the non-SE version of this board?
Who here has done 8x500 fsb on 266 strap 4:5 ratio? I'm stuck at 8x495, run out of nb volts :D
You've got to 495x8 with a Q6600? What volts/settings?
Could somebody tell me the secret to the 9 series bios
902 was a complete disaster
903 will not post unless I use STOCK settings
Flashing with EZ Flash, load my oc profile and the bugger does is sit there on det ram, power off then back on and hit f2 to load default and it works.
Reboot and load my settings ( auto or manual ) and it wont boot, same thing det ram...
besides a very large hammer, anybody got some other ideas?
I think are still issues with the dividers. Set them to Auto with both settings and see how it goes?
I'm not running a divider, but I will try it.
Is 903 worth the hassle? gotta be getting close for Asus to spit out another
i`m starting to getting tired of the memory management of the maximus....
i think i`m going to dump it because of it....
cannot play 4:5 with 9 multi and a lot of problems with 0901,0902,0903....
the guys in Asus should seriously consider of their bios work..
my opinion is to stay with 0802...i might go back to it or to 0602..
Thanks
I think I will not fix what is not broken
Hi
i went for the easy pckits one.
tha kit looks good too.. i just wonder the surface area for lapping. i did it on the ultra 120 extreme, not easy, i got a glass 5mm thick piece of 30x40 to ease it up (extreme not really light or easy to deal with)
so lapped both cooler & cpu, iddle went down to 37-31-31-25-25 and full load not much difference, around 62-59-59-54-54. good thing is now i can get the push-pull 120mm fans on low setting, meaning an almost silence system.
Hi finger
Well i´ve been testing ram a lot of notches up and down, and concluded everytime the lcd hangs on det ram is in fact all ram settings issues, not cpu settings, and probably not nb too, if its not too much out of spec.
for time being im settling on 3.4ghz for day to day, on
cpuvolt 1,40625
pll 1,58 (testing 1,52)
nb 1,49
fsbt 1,40
sb 1,050
and my rams are at 14-5-5-5 2.1v pc1133 strap auto, clocktwister strong, static read enable and trans.booster enable (0), with vdram at ddr2-ref. with memtest performance set to 6 (1 notch down) my everest values are read 9732, write 7729, copy 8608, latency 51.8
my temps are stable and not too bad for a vid 1.2875, range from 37-61,62.
dont wanna push the rams too hard, but prob your issue is ram.
hi zuck
ye thats great.. dont forget to warn people not knowing that your vid is quite low... quite low indeed.. for higher ones above 1.28 people would prob need at least 1.6 cpuvolt and the pll quite high too... lololol maybe too high for air cooling, unless you have an upside down vacuum cleaner lolol
greets
Tt ES2 = abt 6c less than stock cooler.
PLS NOTE that this is due to the southbridge not being connected to the heatsink only...temps fare 1c or less without SB part of stock cooling, however this requires much more airflow than the Tt ES2 does.
The thermalright unit's old mounting would not let me use it on this board. I see that the new unit's(IFX) mounting system has changed, so maybe it will work...
Consider it verified. Is not specific to voltage tho...it's current related. Once your cpu draws too much power... I get the same from B3 and G0, but G0 requires "phase-change only" voltages before reaching comparable power consumption to my B3.
I'm thinking about trying this fan with my TT.
http://www.petrastechshop.com/12evalcafan8.html
I replaced the original LL fans throughout my case with Scythe Flex units. It's just a hair noisier but case and hdd temps dropped 2-3 C. Believe it or not, the noisiest component in my system is the Corsair ram cooler. Occasionally it makes a high-pitched that grates on my ears. I may replace it with the OCZ cooler.
I'm still deciding what BIOS to use (I posted a poll on this). Seems like 0903 is going back and forth as far as being all that stable. I think I may go with 0802.
480x6
Yeah, poor IP35 Pro just can't handle the heat. Mosfets get way to hot with a quad. It's one reason why I'm upgrading to the Maximus. I do wish the Max had eSATA ports, even though I'm not currently using any. Just nice to have them for external drive support. The Max uses the JMB368 controller which is IDE only.
ok... of course will always be a question of noise x air pressure.. im currently not going for 120mm fans higher than 1600rpm.
lot of people gere say bad things about the corsair ram cooler build quality. one guy even had to insert a drop of machine iol on it to quiet the fan down because of poor casing/fan spin axis quality. if youre using gtx/2900 class board the ocz ram cooler it will closely touch the back of the board, but you might tape it to isolate. It is huge, and will steal some air from push/pull cpu air but by far much better quality.
im using 0903 still, no real issues but hoping asus will give us a new one for christmas before dumping development for the formula.
i peeked in most other x38 boards users posts, we sometimes complain about the formula, but most of them have bigger problems on bios settings than we do.
That's too bad about the HR-05 mounting. I've found TR's mounting mechanism is rather cheesy and allows the heatsink to shift around too much. This is where I prefer the TT ES2. I really like that the nb+sb heatsink assembly can be removed as a separate unit on the Max. It will allow me to use the ES II on the nb (after removing the "ring" sponge) and an Evercool EC-VC-RE on the sb.
0903
ye, for a couple more days i dont wanna too much over those setings to have stable 3,6 or 3,8. ill let the dust (or should i say the paste loll) settle in first.
also found out, no news on that it all comes down to your cpu vid. if its in the low 1.2 youre very lucky. if its in the highs you will need much more voltage on mostly all components.
Hmm, a drop of machine oil--now why didn't I think of that. :hitself:
I researched the Max long and hard before finally deciding on it. I was considering several other X38 boards as well as some P35s. Price is steep but at least it's still around the "magic" $250 mark. I just can't see paying over 300 for any board, even if it's an enthusiast one.
prime full load here. 1.54 vcore. you guys know how to change the apps' priority right?
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x...me_resized.jpg
I'm not having any trouble. with my Qx9650 or my qx6700(minus the fact that it's a b3).
Um, your pic is of 9650, first of all...
So, 45nm draws same power as 65nm?:stick:
Sry for my attitude, but I wouldn't waste time posting if I have not personally confirmed the issue...an issue that I verified for GAR in the first place. Back then you mentioned no issues, so more than likely you got a good cpu that does not require excessive CURRENT(not volts, do you need me to repeat it again?:stick:). :mad:
IT IS NOT VOLTAGE-RELATED.
1.55v requires phase with G0?:stick:
:ROTF: Please RBP(Read Before Posting)
I think it's a problem with how your ocing or with G0 ships. if it was a board problem I would of encountered the problem with this chip or with my other chip. With my qx9650 it doesn't do full load until I change the process priority. presonally I think it has to do with user error, or else more people would be reporting this. They'd rather blame the board than themselves.
in that pic I didn't run prime for any sort of time I just did it to show it still does full load. it does that when starting to do full load but levels out. see the first pic.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=4133
the monitoring program is everest.
i have been lapping things for years from computer parts to car parts.. my brother lapped his quad and his cooler as flat as can be on a block of glass to 2000 grit.. installed the cpu and noticed the clip holding the cpu in the motherboard puts enough pressure on the sides to warp the cover on the cpu. not flat.. removed the mother board clip and used the cooler and backing plate to hold it in and keep it flat.
You could be right, except none of the other boards I have here exhibit this issue. Once the cpu draws a wee bit over 165a, the "system" process will load up one core. As you breach 165a, the system process will use a full core, preventing Prime from running 100% on all four cores.
Now, as I said earlier, you must read before you post...I clearly stated that my G0 DOES NOT have the same issue at the same voltage. My B3, however, does show the behavior GAR descibed weeks ago...at a LOWER voltage than his cpu does. It's another user here that has the issue at the same voltage.
BTW, before you claim it's the board sample I got, I have 2 boards, and RMA'ed one already. Each of the three showed the same behavior w/ the B3...my G0 does not show this all the way up to 1.725v, real, but @ 1.7375 it does...
My dualcore doesn't cause this at all.
About your "user error" claim...if such was the case, changing cpu but not changing settings would exhibit the same behavior....as all that a user can do is change settings in bios.
However, against your opinion, this is not the case. @ 1.525, 400x9, all other settings on auto besides setting FSB strap to 333mhz, and ram to 2.1v...B3 shows it, B2 E6600 does not, G0 does not.
So if it my error, then what error is this that we(GAR and I) are both making? If you could explain how you came to this conclusion, maybe we could fix the error?
Other than simply blaming it on me, how about some contructive criticism so others here may benefit? Simply stating that you do not experience the problem does not mean there is no issue...nor can you deny the fact that each cpu is different, so how your cpu performs on this board is NOT how everyone's cpu will behave...
Please feel free to look back a few pages at my settings for 450x8, and tell me where I went wrong...maybe it would help others...
I've been running my Q6600 at 3.6 stable for days, but going above that and I run into problems... temps pretty consistent around the 35-39 range idle and 66-71 range under load.
I had it working for a while at 444 x 9, but it started to crap out on me...
Hi guys, I flashed to 0903 and got same stability, but my 3Dmark06 score dropped quite a bit. It seems only my CPU score went down, this is the same for sis software benchies.
My question is it ok for me to flash back to 0901? or do i have to do something different?
Has anyone noticed that CPUZ , AISuite , & Everest read different Cpu Voltages ? I don't know what to trust ?
I jacked it up to 1.5v and its says 1.42V . What is lying ?
Here's a review comparing the most known NB coolers
http://mickaeln2006.free.fr/index.ph...1&limitstart=2
The ES II s**ks. In that test, the HR-05 and Noctua are passive, while the ES II is active. There are reviews showing also an improvement in the IFX model and furthermore if you add a fan for active cooling
The HR-05 IFX will be better than stock. The ES II, I can't say. But, on thermalright site, only the IFX version is shown to be compatible with X38 chipset, sadely
Yep, thanks for having verified it. This really makes the board useless on a Q6600 for real OC'ers :mad:
I agree with cadaveca, you should read some other topics and be sure when you post. We're talking about a Q6600 chipset, not a 45nm yorkie or a QX6700. Also, people who verified it are far from being noobs. This issue was verified by many users if you follow the initial threads. And finally, GAR migrated to the Gigabyte X38 chipset, and didn't have that issue anymore, neither he had it with the P35 board.
And, of course, my P5B deluxe doesn't show any issue with either my B3 or G0 Q6600 chips.
So, please, don't post such affirmations as "should be user error". You can just propose us to increase priority, which we'll tell you we did make :-) (no bad feelings)