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Good to hear GMGC. Good to see the rest of you guys have most of the errors taken care of. Foxconn does care about there customers no board is perfect bios wise and thats why they are always updating. I know Shamino and his team was working hard on getting these issues resolved.
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By furioussalesman
Is this good? Is it bad? I was trying to get my Cell Shock 15000 blue to 2000mhz 8-8-8-24 1T PL8 to no avail. I got a lot of system service exemption bsods, Irql not equal, memory management. I checked memory benchmarks when I could at 2000, but the scores were terrible compared to other people. I lowered my clocks and tried to tighten my timings. This is what I could do tonight. If anyone has advice, I would like to have it.
I really love the PO4 bios.
edit: Memset is wrong on the frequency. I think it is more like 690mhz. editii. I think some of my crashes could be attributed to Vista "ready boost". Right now that is just a theory.
dont know what you mean about bad perf, those everest results look eally good to me? :confused:
no idea about pi tho...
im playing with the blackops as well now, so i should be able to drop you some hints :D
atm this is all new to me tho, and it takes a bit to get used to the way the settings are arranged on this board.
Trying G25-BIOS now and performs way better. With CR2 bandwidth of possible good memory-modules is growing ;-)
No finetuning, no tweaking, no nothing - just plain memory into the slots and run it.
Here is a 1.000 MHz Result with G25-Bios and Compustocx CSX Diablo03-2000:
D9JNL 2.044 Volt Bios (1,980 with DMM)
Attachment 80281
and 940 MHz Result with Mushkin XP3-14400:
D9JNM 1.955 BIOS (1,930 with DMM)
Attachment 80282
Oh no, the bad perf was at 8-8-8-24 @ 2000. I couldn't get more than 10,000 on the first row.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
but, I jumped the gun. This wasn't as stable as I hoped.
Stupid question... I set the RAM divider to 1:4 400FSB while running the CPU at 8x 400FSB and when I get into windows and bring up CPU-Z and Aegis pannel, they both tell me the RAM has been set to 1:2... So my question is this, does this happen to any of you as well?
BTW, just like CeeVee, I have decided to keep the board. I will, however, send it back for a replacement since I believe there is something wrong. I will stick around with the BlackOps platform just not this particular speciment I have.
PS: Has anyone tried using 2x 2GB kits of CellShock on this board at 450FSB+? If you have please let me know because I REALLY would like to run my PC with 4GBs and the CellShock seems to be running perfectly at the moment. Once I trade my Q9450 for an E8500, I'm interested on getting it running at 500FSB+ with a lower multiplier [so that I can run the CellShocks at 2000Mhz or so].
2 x 2gb what model/chipset, I know saaya has a pair of 2GBs Cellshock, He'll test them tomorow, with the 8500 you will be using.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telo
from my experience 1:4 FSB333 runs better, and CPUZ reports actual MHz , not multiply by 2 so 1:2 is 1:4Quote:
Originally Posted by Telo
Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
I'm sorry for the confusion, I meant to say 2 kits of 2x 1GB CellShock 1866.
ok 4 x 1gb, as for chipsets saaya would prolly know thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Telo
If by chipset you mean the kind of Micron chips used on that particular RAM, I believe they are Micron D9JNL.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
If someone could try out some OCZ ReaperX memory (2x 2GB) with bios G25, I would be much appreciated. I cant get ANY memory overclocks done with this board. In fact, the board is actually running the memory SLOWER than it should, and whenever I try to get it to 1333 (which is what the memory should run at) the power shuts off and then it wont run again until I reset the board! Its becoming REALLY annoying. I also have an issue where CPUZ is telling me I am running at 2.4... but when I put some load on the CPU it goes up to 3.6! I have turned speedstep off in the bios, so why is this happening?
Hi! All
before i post my settings and screenshots which i am in the middle of getting ready i have a few queries that i hope some one can answer
these queries are in relation to air cooling
1. if any one is using a thermalight ultra 120 extreme cpu cooler which orientation is best north/south or east/west, the reason been is of the size of this cooler in relation to the NB
2. suggestions for cooling the nb
3. what criteria is there for claiming that a system is stable, how many times should a stress program be run, if it passes once is that enough, because i can get memtest+2.01 to run all 8 tests once but on the second pass it fails, the same goes for super pi
any answers to the above questions would be welcome
thanks
flanr
Disable everything in the CPU Config except for the Core Multi Processing. That will take care of the CPU throttling. As far as the memory. Switch the board to Manual OC mode. Set the memory voltage to the voltage as close to 1.85V as possible. You might hafta go to like 1.91. Then set the memory timings to 6-5-5-18-1T. If thats unstable you might need to loosen the timings try like 7-7-7-18-1T. You might need to try using some of the different memory dividers.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
Thanks for the CPU answer, as for the memory information well, lets just say I've tried all the things you are suggesting, and no go for me:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
Update.. well just tried it again and I get to the same screen with a warning telling me that my hardware has changed and it gives me a windows file to repair. Is this a ploy by MS to stop people changing hardware with Vista, is this still and unstable memory problem? I just ask because I heard MS wanted to stop people from using the same copy with different machine and the same goes for hardware changes.
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
With any Air cooler and especially TUE 120 due to it's size the additional cooling of NB becomes to be kinda problematic. You probably need to figure out by yourself how to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by flanr
The same as above.Quote:
2. suggestions for cooling the nb
To be sure that your system is stable UNDER load you need to run either Prime 95 ver 25.6 or Everest Stress test or wprime during an hour or more and see if your temps are stabilized after raising, some people run it during 8 hours+Quote:
3. what criteria is there for claiming that a system is stable, how many times should a stress program be run, if it passes once is that enough, because i can get memtest+2.01 to run all 8 tests once but on the second pass it fails, the same goes for super pi
My guess is that one hour for 2 or 4 cores 100% loaded is good enough to say that the systems is stable because under a real situation it is doubtful that cores will be loaded such high unless you do HD rendering or something similar.
There are some exceptions though. I had 2 hours of prime 95 on 790i and after it it froze with good temps ... another person reported about the same situation after 14 hours of prime 95 ...
telos, 4x1gb at 2000 cas8 wont be easy...
i have 4 sticks here so let me give it a try :)
use the waterblock :DQuote:
Originally Posted by flanr
works great for me :)
i always used test 5 which worked great for me. sometimes other tests error out first, but test5 is reliable and fast, so id recommend that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by flanr
but memtest is really only a chipet/mem thing, and more mem than chipset even. so to make sure the board is really stable run some 3d like the crysis benchmark, that really stresses all the hardware a lot.
Regarding the HUGE difference in RAID transfer rates ... here is the picture
It is from this article http://www.presence-pc.com/tests/Nvi...790i-22787/26/
What is the reason to have WD Raptors RAID 0 on Nvidia 790i, if I can reach the same or pretty close transfer rate with just ONE Seagate 7200.11 1Tb HDD (ST31000340AS), which costs almost the same as one Raptor, and has x6 capacity?
RAID 0 today looks like a joke on 790i IMO.
interesting... i didnt know the intel integrated raid blows the nvidia and amd solutions out of the water like that...
should there be much of a difference between the 790i and x48 chipset
i have noticed that when i had an SEII 790i, the few times it did manage to get in to windows with out crashing i got an everest score of 12006 read and 15806 in 3d mark 06
on my blackops i am getting a read 11114 in everest and a 3d mark 06 score of 11110
surely this can't be right
any suggestions please
flanr
Edit: Answered my own question - Should Have RTFM - i had my graphics card in was the white PCI Express slot which only runs at 4x, was using this slot to make room to use a fan to keep the nb cool
i have moved it to the red slot which runs at x16 and now i am only down 60 fps from the 790i
Ditto! I am getting the exact same problem from swapping the SEII. I was getting 15k with the SEII (although I managed a higher memory speed) and with my blackops I'm only just reaching 12k. I noticed the difference in framerate the moment I opened 06, within the first demo I was getting like 10fps less in some sections!Quote:
Originally Posted by flanr
Lucky I kept my SEII and didnt send it back. Might swap em back again, considering I could only get to 3.0GHz stable on the SEII (but I could get 1600MHz out of my memory) but at least I got a 3k difference in performance, which is just silly! Especially when I am getting a higher clock speed with this board!
Want to know the strangest thing? My CPU score is around 1000 LOWER (on 06) on the blackops, with 600MHz LOWER difference on the CPU speed. Now thats what I call dumb! This, combined with the fact I cant clock my memory, is a board killer for me.
It's just NOT on. Yeah I can show people I have 3.6GHz... WOOOOWAHH WOOO, but when it equates to poor frame rates, silly bios's and the inhability for the board to detect my true memory settings, well, let's say I can do with out it. Especially when this board is silly expensive compared to other boards which reach higher 3DMark scores. I am going back to my SEII and sending this board back, at least until someone explains to me why this is happening, and without the normal "oh its the bios, wait for the next one" nonsense. Because, with all due respect, this isnt what we paid for, and it certainly isnt what we were told from reviews, including this site I might add.
Rant over... I hope someone proves me wrong, I really do! I see the potential in this board, but thats the problem... potential! This is a final release, therefore potential doesnt come into the picture... we should be talking settings and who got to what speed and how. Not, "oh hang on, this doesnt make sense" or "my memory doesnt match the voltage", or "I had to put poorer spec memory to get this board running" etc.
Rant really over now! ;)
Edit - glad the guy above me sorted out his problem, but I am still running mine in the top BLUE slot ( I guess flanr meant BLUE as the red slot is the lower second slot furthest away from the NB), which means I still have no answer! And XP doesnt equate to 3k difference, sorry.
I had the same problem as you have guys.
IMO Nvidia uses more aggressive basic memory settings in it's BIOS because they wanted to show that 790i is "a fastest motherboard in the world". Having stability problems with P02 BIOS in P03 they removed P1 and P2 settings, and the memory speeds became to be significantly lower with the same timings. People started to complain and use BETA BIOS P03R02, such as it had P1 and P2, but that BIOS had a corruption problem. They have created several new BIOSes such as P04 and then P05, but the stability problem is still present. They have a problem - they showed high memory settings to people, and everybody wants those settings, but those settings lead to instability in many cases, they can't lower the rates as they did in P03, therefore they need to find some kind of "golden middle".
Foxconn was created to reach the top benchmark results using LN2 - and it definitely broke several world records. Those settings (and BIOSes) are mostly designed for uber clocks and top level (it means very experienced and knowledgeable) overclockers. Now with the retail release Foxconn started to take care about regular users and new BIOSes P04 and G25 are much better for air colling and water cooling overclocking.
Foxconn is much more adjustable comparing to 790i, you can reach any results you want with it. But we don't have enough information to follow someone's settings yet, which we like, therefore we either need to wait or find those on our own. One can use Captain's settings, posted in this thread, though for me - for example - those have too high voltages used.
I guess you need to find more aggressive timings and raise you FSB clock as much as possible. Currently I can't reach a stable 460 MHz FBS (QX9650), as I had in 790i - with Foxconn, max what I have for now is 430 MHz even with G25 BIOS, of course the test results are a bit lower than with 790i, but I would always trade that difference for stability, which I didn't have with 790i (I am talking about my particular board, some people report that they have their boards stable) and now have with Foxconn(we are talking about safe voltages/safe temps here for 24-7 operations). I am planning to spend more time adjusting the board to get better results, of course.
I would recommend you several steps:
1. Use G25 BIOS (or P04)
2. Get your FSB clock as high as possible .
3. Use 177.26 driver for you videocard. It requires some modification of nv_disp.inf file, described in 3D guru thread.
4. Tighten your memory settings - look which ones people use
gmcq,
I would recommend you several steps:
1. Use G25 BIOS (or P04)
Done that
2. Get your FSB clock as high as possible .
Done that
3. Use 177.26 driver for you videocard. It requires some modification of nv_disp.inf file, described in 3D guru thread.
And why? I used the same drivers as I am now under the Asus and was getting excellent scores
4. Tighten your memory settings - look which ones people use
LOL - this board wont even let me go one step up from 1066, when my memory is 1333 capable.
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Originally Posted by gmcg
Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Thanks for your suggestions - all help is appreciated
Update: After a bit of tweaking i have now a read of 11408 in everest and a score of 15960 approx in 3D Mark 06:DQuote:
Originally Posted by flanr
So is this board worth keeping or should i sell it and concentrate on the Evga Ultra Sli
I am interested in getting rid of one of them and i thought it was the Evge. but this
conversation is really making me think.
For some reason I can not get my new Everest Ultimate to work. It keep saying "Invalid floating point operation" and I just bought it 3 days ago?
Others would probably tell you different, but I would get rid of this one. Another silly design fault I have noticed is the second PCI X port blocks 2 SATA connections if you install a large GPU in the socket... hmm great idea! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
Caz I got +900 point with it in 3dmark vantage (P13084 vs P12178), for example. If you don't like some more points use whatever you like. Get rid of this board and use Asus, it is up to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
Add some voltage to your memory, it is pretty safe to use 1.8 or 1.9V, with some cooling I would say it is pretty safe up to 2.1 V on DDR3. My memory has in specification 2.0VQuote:
4. Tighten your memory settings - look which ones people use
LOL - this board wont even let me go one step up from 1066, when my memory is 1333 capable.
:welcome: here you are :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by flanr
Such as you can't use SLI with BlackOps and according to your signature you want to use SLI, get rid of BlackOps and use 790i (good luck to get it stable) or try Dreadnought.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
Use Everest Ultimate BETA 1383 or upper (1403, for example http://download.softpedia.ro/dl/17a0...build_1403.zip), it should help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
Some boards are too new for a release version ...
Yeah and If I used the Asus, I woul be getting 3k more +900. I dont think you're getting my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Again not getting my point.... My memory has heatpipes on it. So you would assume I could get to a higher voltage, especially as my basic voltage should be 1.85v! Yet the motherboard undervolts my memory at 1.64v and whenever I try to get it to the right voltage and settings, the system goes nuts and starts to beep like a psycho on caffeine! Now does this explain my problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
You DO realise you can get SLI on one card nowadays? If not, then I'm not sure if I, or anyone else for that matter, should be taking your advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Update - Tried the drivers you suggested and I get around 400+ more and not the 900+ you claim, and that was WITH a GPU overclock, whereas before the GPU with in preset.
Hi All
I know i keep saying i will post my screenshots and settings but i promise by tomorrow evening i will have - its just that every time i make a change i have to create new screenshots as i will be only posting one set and i dont want numerous posts with only minor changes
these settings and screenshots will be my only and final ones as i have reached my target and am very happy:D - i know i could go higher on the overclock but to be honest, after taking taking this long to get this far i don't have the time as i have a load of other work to catch up on that fell behind while i was working on my blackops
i too was going to give up on this board as it is a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: compared to other boards to setup correctly, but i kept at it until I succeeded
thanks to everyone here and the anandtech preview article, i used a combination of settings from different people and now i am there:D
my settings can be used if anyone wishes but i cannot guarantee they will work for every one
the only remainig issue is the method i'll use to cool the nb
good luck to the rest of you
flanr
I've got your point of course. Only you can answer why you've got more points on Asus than on this board, caz we all don't know what did you do with it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
Well, Foxcoon is not designed for inpatient people ... or you've got a faulting board.Quote:
Again not getting my point.... My memory has heatpipes on it. So you would assume I could get to a higher voltage, especially as my basic voltage should be 1.85v! Yet the motherboard undervolts my memory at 1.64v and whenever I try to get it to the right voltage and settings, the system goes nuts and starts to beep like a psycho on caffeine! Now does this explain my problem?
If you will take a look on my signature, you will find out that I currently have 9800GX2, which uses inner SLI, but it is not equal to SLI for 8800GT and/or 8800GTS cards, used in systemviper's signature. If he wants to replace them to 9800GX2, that is another story, but he has never told us about such intention.Quote:
You DO realise you can get SLI on one card nowadays? If not, then I'm not sure if I, or anyone else for that matter, should be taking your advice.
I claim it on overclocked 9800GX2 - and that is MY SCORE difference, not yours, lol ... here are my scores:Quote:
Update - Tried the drivers you suggested and I get around 400+ more and not the 900+ you claim, and that was WITH a GPU overclock, whereas before the GPU with in preset.
Former one with 175.80: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=166556
Current one with 177.26 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=167675
Man, lets finish this discussion, I wanted to help you and now I don't want it anymore ... OK?
spikerules, i know what its like to run into problems with hardware and how frustrating it can be, but please calm down man. if its really giving you such a hard time then just send it back, but please stop bashing it here and poking at people who like the board and are happy with it.
1. about the memory performance, your comparing 790 with x48 here, thats not a board thing, its a chipset thing
memory wise 790 is faster. if you check out reviews you will see that this advantage in memory performance doesnt really translate into faster system performance... unfortunately... i think the fsb is limiting here.
well, im pretty sure actually, seeing as single channel on nehalem gets you 50% more mem perf than dual channel on x48 :D
2. thats why god invented 90 degree sata cables :D
but yeah, we will hopefully have 90 degree plugs on the board there in future
3. everything else you ranted about i didnt really understand.
please post more details in a calm way so i can try to help you fix those problems :P
what are you referring to? what did a website or review show or say about the blackops that is not true or not possible etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
could you please post more details about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
congrats! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by flanr
everything else works fine? try to reinstall... if that doesnt work them pm "fiery" ,he works for lavalys and migh be able to fix it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
Thank you very much :up:Quote:
Use Everest Ultimate BETA 1383 or upper (1403, for example http://download.softpedia.ro/dl/17a0...build_1403.zip), it should help.
Some boards are too new for a release version ...
In the Everest memory benchmark, which is more important? A Higher Read, Copy, Write score, or, A better L1 and L2 cache score?
Flanr, I'm guessing you assigned the VTT a 1.50v value because it is "not really 1.50v but 1.40v"? Do we have any updates on this? I have seen a lot of BIOS versions coming out lately, is it guaranteed to be off by .10v even in the newer BIOS versions?
i tried a few diferent settings and found 1.50 was right for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Telo
Quote:
Originally Posted by flanr
Since at least 3 BIOS revisions have been released in the last 2 weeks, I wouldn't advise you to set the VTT that high as it will fry your CPU if it is in fact a real 1.50v going through it. You should really bring it down a notch and even run your PC slower if you have to until HiPro or Lard tell us that it is indeed off by 0.10v at the VTT.
drawing conclusions from everest or other memory benchmarks to real world performance is not easy... the fsb a bottleneck once again, just like in the p3 days where ddr wasnt really any faster on p3 compared to sdr since the p3s fsb couldnt make use of the bandwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
just look at nehalem, single channel is 50% faster than x48 dc :D
from what ive seen read and latency are the important scores.
copy and write dont seem to have that big of an impact on gaming perf or other real world apps.
it is, i just checked it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Telo
its spot on .1v less than what you set in bios for 45nm cpus.
for 65nm the vtt setting in bios is spot on
hes running a 45nm cpu, so real vtt is indeed only 1.4v when he sets 1.5v in bios
Check out some of Raja's settings for 2100MHz Memory:
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/forums/sho...?t=1423&page=8
Hmm, will 1.71V Vnb be possible with a stock air cooling?Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
depends on the temperature...
are you using an open stand or case?
Case, but I modified my NB cooler a bit ... Of course I will use WC as soon as will get a copper cover ... or make an acrylic one. Even with this pretty good mod (at stock clocks and voltages temps are lower than 42C under load) with 1.35V, 430 MHz FSB and Prime95 long run load NB temp is around 57C ... with 1.5 V it is around 62C (Prime95 or Everest stress test long run), that is why I have asked ...Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
With open stand it should be another story though, you are right, saaya.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=143
what nb temps do you get according to the bios?
Both BIOS and Everest show me 50C with 1.35V and 430MHz FSB with more or less idle mode - standard operations like browsing, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I also have a temp sensor right on NB cooler, it shows 10-11C less, i.e. 39-40C while Everest shows 50C.
During load test Everest NB temp goes up to 57C and stabilizes there for hours ... but it takes like 15 min to get
there.
Such as I used to have pretty high temps with 780i and 790i on a NB (up to 67C), the above mentioned temps don't worry me at all, but 1.71V on a NB ... hmmm, may be with WC or using an open stand.
at cellshock i always ran the asus p5k3 deluxe boards at 1.7v nb voltage with a 80mm fan blowing on the mem and the stock heatsink.
i ran them like that for months... like 8 months i think?
and they didnt degrade at all...
then again, this was on open stands and not inside a case...
your nb temps sound really high considering you have a fan blowing on the heatsink :confused:
what case temp do you have?
is that fan on the nb blowing at full speed?
Case temp - I think it is below 32C (temp of my memory), it should be fine. That fan is blowing at full speed, it is 1800RPM only (to lower the noise) though it has like 32CFM (twice more comparing to a stock one) ... should be enough. I hope to use WC for NB soon anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Regarding ASUS - well, may be it has a different construction of NB cooler with more dissipating surface? And you have used a stand, here is a huge difference ... If I would locate my case on the floor instead of close to the ceiling, it should make a huge difference as well.
well the asus heatsink is about the same as the blackops one, just that it has the heatsink sorounded by the copper walls of the block, and it uses only one heatpipe while the asus one uses 2. the latter doesnt make a different tho if you ask me :D
getting the air to flow through the nb heatsink isnt that easy i think... so maybe the way you put the fan over it, it isnt really pushing the air through the heatsink?
i cant really tell from the pic you posted, but it could be your just pushing air on top of the heatsink... which doesnt really help as it has nowhere to escape to since the sides are blocked by the waterblock walls. can you try to mount the fan in a 45 degree angle so it blows the air half over, half inside the heatsink from one side?
that should work better and lower your temps :)
Here are two more pictures, and such as the air pressure is created more on sides of the fan, and I have plenty of dissipating surface on the sides of NB block, it should be fine, though your idea makes sense and I will definitely try it. It will not look as good as it looks now though, anyway "Temperatur über alles" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Well, after fighting with this new MB trying to get it to do Something!!!, I was about to give up and put my ASUS Maximus back in, which I did NOT want to do. Then I found this thread and saw that everyone else is having the same issues that I am. Sorry guys, but it did make me feel a little better knowing that all of a sudden I didn't know how to do a simple OC. Been doing this for too many years and I have never been this frustrated with a MB before, came close with the Maximus, but this Blackops has put that frustration to shame....sad. To say the least, I am very disappointed, especially after all the hype and reviews about how sweet and easy it was with this board.....sigh. This post is not a bashing of hate, please understand that. It more like a bashing of frustration, frustration from all the positive reviews and advertisement about the Overclockers Dream MB. As of this moment, it has not justified itself as one of the most expensive MB out there, not to me anyway. But I will give them a chance to fix it, and of course, that takes time.
Anyway, after reading this whole thing and trying all the different things you guys did, I finally got it stable, tho its not much of an OC. Right now I dont care, it is ACTUALLY OC'd and Prime95 & OCCT stable. There are many issues that are so wrong with this board, the Bios mostly, and that still has me shaking my head at Foxconn. I am happy I have an OC, tho I am not happy with the OC I have by any means. With the setup I have this MB should have been itching to start cooking, such is not the case unfortunately. Hopefully they will keep working on the bios, one can only hope because this board has such promise. For those who are curious you can see my setup (Quadzilla) on OCForums in the watercooling section under the thread Quad Crazy.
Ok, these are the settings I have so far in order to get it stable:
Quantum BIOS version G26
Overclock Phase Select - Manual O.C.
CPU Clock Ratio - 10x
CPU Clock Ratio +0.5 - Disabled
CPU Clock (FSB) - 400 MHz
CPU Clock vs Memory Speed - 1 : 2.665
CPU Clock Skew Control - 0 ps
CPU Clock Amplitude CTRL - 800mV
PCI Express Clock - 100MHz
PCI Clock - 33.6 MHz
Spread Spectrum - Disabled
Overclock Recovery - Enabled
CPU Feature
EIST Function - Native Mode
Limit CPUID MaxVal - Disabled
C1E Function - Disabled
Execute Disabled Bit - Disabled
Virtualization Technology - Disabled
Frequency Unlimit - Enabled
Core Multi-Processing - Enabled
Cold Bug Boot Fix - Disabled
Memory Timing Config
ECC Scrubbing - Disabled
DRAM Timing Selectable - by SPD
All Voltage Control
CPU Voltage Multiplier - x1.000
CPU Voltage Setting - 1.5000
CPU Vdroop Compensation - Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage Setting - 1.584304
CPU VTT Voltage Setting - 1.350
CPU GTL Ref. 0 Voltage - +2
CPU GTL Ref. 1 Voltage - +2
CPU GTL Ref. 2 Voltage - +2
CPU GTL Ref. 3 Voltage - +3
NB Voltage Setting - 1.344
NB GTL Ref. Voltage - +3
SB Voltage Setting - 1.538
DRAM Voltage Setting - 1.648
DRAM Pull-up Voltage - Default
DRAM Pull-down Voltage - Default
DRAM Ref. Voltage - Default
OC Gear
Smart Boot Menu - Disabled
Smart Power LED - Disabled
Software Item Selecting - BIOS ROM 1
Auto Detect PCI Clock - Enabled
I do not understand the memory issue. I cannot take it off of SPD or even begin to raise it to the manufacture specified voltage, and that is really jerking my chain. There is no reason that I should have to set my memory to 1066 when I have OCZ Platinum DDR3 1600. If I try to raise it in any way at all it will BSOD. I can get it to boot at 1333, but I cannot go over 9x and 333 FSB. If I take this 400 FSB now and try to raise it, same thing, BSOD. The 333 FSB is not stable anything in windows but the 400 FSB is rock solid, but only because its turned down to 1066 with the 1:2.665 setting. And trust me, I have tried every voltage setting combo you can try short of knowing I would hurt the MB if I went any higher, way into the red. Very disappointed with the memory handling right now. And also I am wondering why they would place the memory slots where they did, it makes no sense what so ever to me. Right now I have 2 of the 3870X2's that have EK waterblocks and the memory clamps are pushing my master video card which is causing it to warp. I just dont understand why they could not have seen this during development. Everyone knows how big and long video cards are now. Foxconn, try paying attention to placement, this is unacceptable. I'm sure its not hurting anything but geez guys.
My second issue is this stupid throttling of the CPU. I cant stand that garbage. When I set a bios to a certain setting, then thats where I want it ALWAYS! I cannot for the life of me turn the stupid thing off. From reading here, it has to be that EIST function, because I have EVERYTHING else turned off! But if I disable it, no matter what I have the bios set too, it reverts to 9x and 333 FSB in windows and stays there. This is just insane. Again, a bios issue thats need fixing. Perhaps I am not doing it right, I am not discounting that, but I dont believe so.
I cant find any program that will show me the correct voltage settings that I have in bios. Not CPUz, OCCT, Everest or Core Temp. They are prolly not coded for X48, or if they are than not for Blackops would be my guess. Would be nice to be able to see proper numbers when in windows.
Havent done my sig yet. I will do that after I post this so you can see what I am using.
Hmmm, sig is not showing up...dont know why...so I'll list it for now
FOXCONN Blackops- Vista 64 Ultimate SP1
Core 2 Extreme QX9650 @ 4.0 GHz - Apogee GTX Waterblock
2 x HIS HD 3870X2's Crossfired - EK Waterblocks - 8.5 CCC
OCZ Platinum DDR3-1600 (4x2GB)
Enermax Galaxy 1000W
2 x WD 320GB SATA II
Plextor SATA DVD+-RW PX-810SA
Blackops Sonar - Gigaworks S705 7.1 Surround Sound System
HP LP3065 30" Flat Screen Monitor
Custom UFO case - Quad W/C Loops - D5 Pumps - XPSC Res's - PA Rad's
Apply at least 1.85V on your memory, better 1.9 V - and everything will be completely different. I personally don't like OCZ as a brand, but it is not your major problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
I have never seen CPU throttling on my boards ... something should be wrong - CPU temps, thermal contact, dirt inside your WB, etc. ...
Under control panel of vista, power options, change from power saving to maximum performance, your multiplier should be set.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
4 x 2GB is gonna be really tough to run at 1600, you will high NB voltage, plus loosen performance level a lot.
I'm having the same problem with OCZ... maybe foxconn need to test OCZ memory with this board? Also, am I running my SATA hard drives at IDE speeds? In the bios there is an option for IDE, RAID and something else (which I forget right now). Its set to IDE.. does this mean I am running at IDE speeds, or is this just a term now used for not running under RAID when connecting SATA drives?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Thankyou LardArse so much. I had no clue and would never have checked that. It doesnt throttle now that its set to performance. I had no idea Windows could even do that. I've already appologized to my MB, many times...I hope it believes me.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
As far as the NB voltage goes, when do you think I will be getting in the danger zone. I have read that a NB starts to get flakey and could possibly be damaged when the temp goes over 45c, tho I am not sure if that is true or not. I have the NB on its own loop and it gets cooled as good as you can with water. I am worried about getting too high with the voltage. Any suggestions on where I should stop if I have to keep turning it up? I am guessing 1.6 maybe 1.7. I would think any higher may damage the board, but in all honesty I dont really know.
I am not a OC'ing guru by any means. I understand the basics and usually stay in the mild to average zone when OC'ing. There is alot I still dont understand. Memory has always been my biggest downfall when it comes to all the different settings. I envy you guys who can just go into memory and start changing things properly. It confuses me to no end. I know that the biggest problem I have now is the memory settings and I feel that is what is stopping me from raising this FSB and memory ratio. I know just raising the NB voltage isnt the only thing I need to do.
I have attached the current CPUz readout for you to see. What is confusing me is the sticker on the memory says 7-7-7@1.9V, yet CPUz says 1.5V. Right now I have no choice but to believe CPUz because it will not post if I raise the DRAM voltage to any setting above 1.686V. It just beeps for about 10 or 15 sec and then recovers the bios so it will post again. Can you please push me in the right direction?
You're fine. You're running in IDE mode, which means that you have individual HD's just like if you had IDE drives in. Your not as fast as RAID would be at all but is as fast as they can go without being a RAID array setup. As long as you keep them defragged well they will be plenty fast enough for normal use. If you want super fast HD's, then you need to look into RAID. I cannot speak for RAID because I do IDE myself. I dont see any reason for them to be super fast for normal everyday use, but thats just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
I used to run RAID on my 2x 74GB Raptors, but I found it a long winded way of getting better performance. The setup just isnt worth the agro.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
How was windows throttling your CPU, I dont understand? Also, the memory is being undervolted by the motherboard, same as mine. OCZ performance memory runs at 1.85v and over, whereas this silly motherboard wont let it run at its basic voltage, which is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of.
I would love to... what didnt you understand from my post? I cannot, CANNOT, get my memory to run at stock speed. My memory runs SLOWER than it should do with this motherboard. I am running at 1066, when I should be running at 1333.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I get 3k+ score on 3Dmark on the Asus at lower CPU speeds. For example: -
Asus Striker II @ 3.0GHz with 1600MHz 3GB RAM under XP I get 15000
Foxconn Blackops @ 3.6GHZ with 1066MHz 4GB RAM under Vista I get 12500
Now does the performance difference add up to you? If it does, please explain how, so I can finally put this motherboard to rest. OK I am running Vista, but I have turned off all the features etc... I know I should discount around 900 points maybe, but that doesnt add up still. I just need an explanation! I am thinking its a combination of the slower memory speed and vista. Would I be right in assuming this? One thing I have noticed is that the CPU speed is around 1000 points lower on 3dmark on this board, would this be due to the memory or vista or both?
Go look around for any thread about X48 boards, OCZ RAM is not much supported. I had issues with it on my old P5E3 Premium, it ran at 1600Mhz but that was it. On my BlackOps I can run them at 1333Mhz, but no more than that. My advise, get rid of them if you can afford to get Corsair Dominators or CellShocks. I paid just over $500.00 for 2 sets of 2GB DDR3-1800 [OCZ3P18002GK], got rid of them for $400.00 even, and I do not regret selling them [even with the $100.00 loss]. The cellShocks I bought with that money [even though it was just 2GB kit] are not giving me any issue whatsoever man; I can run them at higher frequencies and tighter timings if I want with just a tiny bump on the voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
Go into the control panel, open Power Options, click on High Performance and you CPU will stop slowing down at idle. Mine was set to Balanced, so that will still slow it down, as well as Power Saver I would say. I had no idea Windows could throttle your CPU. I thought only the bios could do that. Thats what was driving me nuts, Live and Learn I guess.....Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
Memory is my biggest weak point. I am hoping someone here will help me figure out what to do so at least it will post. My biggest frustration with it right now is if I raise my DRAM voltage at all, it totally freaks out and wont post at all.
Telo - If this is true, which it seems to be so far, then I am very disappointed. OCZ is not garbage ram, they are one of the Big Boys when it comes to ram and IMHO put out a very nice product. Makes one wonder WHY would a MB nowadays not even support ram from one of the top 5 Ram companies. Just absolutely makes no sense to me at all.
i know i ran 1.7v on nb with the fan attached in a case o/ced in a demo rig that runs for a week at computex at intel booth for about 8 hrs per day for a weekQuote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
have u tried cl8-8-8-25, Cmand rate 2T, perf level 9 - 10 for your 2GB x 4 and try 1.9v?
Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
Its due to vista, i would have to say ram speed doesnt make this kinda difference in 3d mark 06 single card scores
if possible please run exact same setup on striker and same OS to see the difference
I will try... going to buy another Q6600, hopefully with a good VID rating if anyone has any for sale;) I will build another PC and create exact benchmarks between the two and post here. I will then sell on the lesser system, which will probably be this one, if current benchmarks are anything to go by:( I will also try this system on XP and see what I can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
My thoughts exactly. I wouldnt listen to this personally. I ran the same memory @ 1600 stable on my Asus striker II Extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
heheheQuote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
lol the ramsinks on the nb heatsink :D
i will once ocz sends us a kit :wasntme: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
no, this setting has nothing to do with the speed the hdd is running at.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
so after all, the board isnt to blame at all for thise, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
where did you read this garbage? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
intels very own x48 board uses a small passive alu heatsink and even at stock the chipset gets hotter than 45 celsius :P
1. cpuz doesnt read the memory voltage! thats the voltage programmed in the SPD!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
2. your memory doesnt boot with more vdimm because the chips/pcb dont like it. thats a big problem with double sided ddr3 sticks, the pcb needs to be really good, and even then theres a lot of crosstalk and the signaling is far from perfect... as a result double sided sticks dont nearly clock as well as single sided sticks and cant run as high voltages.
just what exactly makes you call this stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
the cpu driver throttling the cpu to save power and the problems it causes when ocing is one of the most basic things there is to know about ocing :P
i worked for cellshock before joining foxconn and set the binning speeds and precudures, so i take this as a compliment, thank you :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Telo
i dont want to say anything bad about ocz, but there have been a lot of compatibility problems from what ive heard. thats mostly due to the 2gb sticks requiring a lot of tweaking and running way different on one board compared to another. so its not really ocs fault, they probably didnt notice that the sticks varied that much from one board to the next.
well i wish it would be like that, but this thread looks a lot like "BASH until somebody teaches you or fixes the problems for you" to me... :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
and still you blame the motherboard and not the memory, right? have you tried one stick individually?Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
so let me get this straight, this memory is giving you a really hard time, its 1600 rated but you cant even get it to 1333, but still you consider it a very nice product... and you base this on what? im not even saying that the mem is crap, but how can you be so sure the ocz mem is great and bash the motherboard this bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
the problem is most likely related to tweaking the clockskew and dll settings and the amount of memory your using. im sure the mem is fine, and so is the board.
guys, calm down and STOP BASHING THE BOARD!
Most of the things you guys complain about are not related to the board at all and are actually something you can solve yourself spending a couple of minutes with your good ol pal :google: and doing some research.
Im really shocked by some peoples attitudes here... blame it all on the board and bash it like theres no tomorrow when the problem doesnt even have anything to do with the board.
Now the board DOES have bugs and problems like EVERY piece of hardware out there, can we please focus on the REAL problems and fixing them? Please let me know what exactly isnt working or what you need help with and ill do my best. but for the love of god, please calm down and stop bashing the board.
I have tested OCZ 1600, Corsair 1333, and cellshock 1800 in the black ops board over the last few days and the OCZ seems to have a definite issue with running over 1066 speeds, no matter of of voltages and settings.
The OCZ will not even run 1 stick at 1333.
Extra North bridge volts lets windows load a little further each time but still results in a BSOD and restart.
The cellshock RAM works with mostly stock settings, as does the Corsair.
Board is a retail black-ops, with P04 BIOS, fan cooled NB
chip is a 9770 @ stock 3.2
PSU is a coolermaster 1250
HDD is a velociraptor
If you had it stable, what was the reason to buy BlackOps? Did you expect something like 1800 with your OCZ 1600 on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
Whatever adds the dissipating surface and doesn't look too ugly :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
:clap:Quote:
well i wish it would be like that, but this thread looks a lot like "BASH until somebody teaches you or fixes the problems for you" to me... :down:
and still you blame the motherboard and not the memory, right?
Well, people need to blame something or somebody if they can't reach planned goals :ROTF:
I had problems with OCZ even with 790i board using stock clocks (couldn't run with settings according to it's specification) and had to RMA the memory while Crucial DDR3-2000 and Corsair DDR3-1800 worked just fine. The 790i board was not stable during hours though and I switched to BlackOps, which is rock stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by R B Customs
There is consensus that OCZ ram is to be avoided with this board, then? At least the 2gb dimms?
Perhaps the first post should be updated with this info.
Bashing this nice piece of hardware - who did? Tell me and I will slap em :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
So back to topic, if this is the right place for.
I got most recent Beta G27 today. Compared to G25/G26 I can see a little improvement of memory stability, but that counts only for the working dividers. I still run into trouble while using Auto, 1:3, 1:3,2, 1:4 (strap 200, 266 and 400). Divider of 1:2, 1:2.4, 1:2.665 and 1:4 strap 333 performing quite well.
So here is what I experienced after a full set of settings with 4 different memory kits. Memory using was Corsair XMS2-1600 CL7 2x2.048 (only kit can run at 1T), Mushkin XP3-14400 2x.1024 (with XMP-Profile), CSX Diablo-2000 2x1.024 and CSXO-CEC3-1333 2x1.024. FSB is set to 500 and thats stable of course (@Auto and 1:4 memory should run at 1.000 MHz). CPU E8500. All memory-modules have been tested to run at 1.000 MHz on a 790i (yes I know and I will not compare to it). VDimm is set to 2.044 and measured with DMM at 2.014.
So here is the first test with Diablo-2000 CL8-24-75 2T:
Divider Auto no boot, error E1
Divider 1:2 fine
Divider 1:2.4 fine
Divider 1:2.665 fine
Divider 1:3 BIOS-Boot shows only 1 Core out of 2
Divider 1:3.2 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 200 no boot, error C1
Divider 1:4 strap 266 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 333 fine and primestable for 45 minutes b4 I skipped testing
Divider 1:4 strap 400 no boot, error C5
Next Test Mushkin XP3-14400 CL8-24-75 2T (XMP-Profile):
Divider Auto no boot, error E1
Divider 1:2 fine
Divider 1:2.4 fine
Divider 1:2.665 fine
Divider 1:3 BIOS-Boot shows only 1 Core out of 2
Divider 1:3.2 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 200 no boot, error C1
Divider 1:4 strap 266 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 333 fine and primestable for 45 minutes b4 I skipped testing
Divider 1:4 strap 400 BIOS-Boot shows only 1 Core out of 2
Next Test CSXO-CEC3-1333 CL8-24-75 2T:
Divider Auto no boot, error E1
Divider 1:2 fine
Divider 1:2.4 fine
Divider 1:2.665 fine
Divider 1:3 BIOS-Boot shows only 1 Core out of 2
Divider 1:3.2 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 200 no boot, error C1
Divider 1:4 strap 266 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 333 fine, but not even benchstable- the memory simply sux ;)
Divider 1:4 strap 400 no boot, error C5
Last Test Corsair XMS3-1600 CL8-24-75 2T:
Divider Auto boot fine
Divider 1:2 fine
Divider 1:2.4 fine
Divider 1:2.665 fine
Divider 1:3 BIOS-Boot shows only 1 Core out of 2
Divider 1:3.2 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 200 no boot, error C1
Divider 1:4 strap 266 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 333 fine and primestable for 45 minutes b4 I skipped testing
Divider 1:4 strap 400 boot fine
same Corsair at CL8-24-75 1T:
Divider Auto boot fine
Divider 1:2 fine
Divider 1:2.4 fine
Divider 1:2.665 fine
Divider 1:3 BIOS-Boot shows only 1 Core out of 2
Divider 1:3.2 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 200 no boot, error C1
Divider 1:4 strap 266 no boot, error E1
Divider 1:4 strap 333 fine, just not stable (you guessed ;)
Divider 1:4 strap 400 boot fine
So what I am asking is if you guys can confirm that especially the 1:3x dividers not working as they should. I think they are pretty important to close the gap between 1:2x and 1:4. Im neither pissed nor upset, the blackops is just great (which other x48 except the evo delivers such big fsb) and even the memory-performance increased alot. But I am unhappy with the dividers. As you can see, there is a difference between memory running at 2T (cannot boot at Auto and strap 400) and the Corsair-Kit, which is able to run at 1T (boots at Auto and strap 400), also. And no, I did not tweak any memory settings in the test (I usually do, when pushing the memory clock beyond 1.000 and thats working well, but divider-problem remains. The blackops here is a media sample with factory testreport included ;)
Any help is much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Steffi
have u tried latest g27 bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by R B Customs
you need to lower latency of memory trhe smaller dividers, like CL5 or CL6 performance level 8,9,10Quote:
Originally Posted by StellaNor
like run 580fsb with 1:2.66 or 1:2.4 , CL5-6-6-18-perf level 9-10, or cl5-5-5-18
Ummm, I think you need to read the comment again. Also, if you work for foxconn, I hope you arent an actual official representative, as even the most down on their luck coffee fetchers will tell you, THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
OK I respect that you are defending your board, but bashing US, the people that pay your wages, is not the way to go my friend. Also, why should OCZ send you free memory, is your company THAT cheap that they cant afford one set of OCZ ram? I mean, what on earth am I doing buying your motherboard... i have images of you lot creating this thing in your grandparents living room or garden shed.
I suggest you go away, buy some RAM and get testing. Simple as that really... I dont like the attitude, and I hope you are not an official representative of foxconn.
I took faith in your board, now its about time you stop blaming other companies and your customers and get testing and put a little faith in the people who are helping you out, doing your job for you, and telling you whats wrong. As I said, I know you are protecting your board, but there is a time and a place to do that, and that time and place is NOT here and it definitely shouldnt be from you, if your post is anything to go by.
I agree, I am a little upset and I may have gone about it in the wrong way, but I want answers and results... now I hear you complain about US complaining and telling me that you havent tested the board with OCZ RAM... COME ON, thats beyond contempt.
The reason was that I couldnt get over 3ghz with the Asus. However, I dont care about that now as I am getting 10x better results with the Asus at a much lower clock speed. Asus 1 Foxconn 0.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Hi LardArse,Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
thanks for the info on the G27 release, but still a no go on OCZ memory:( I guees it comes as no surprise seeing as though saaya has just admitted that foxconn does not test with OCZ memory and wont do until someone GIVES them free stuff.
Hey is anyone else using the Crucial Ballistix DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)? Anytime I try to run a OC windows will load I run MemTest and get errors within seconds.. I thought I read somewhere this board was having problems with memory with XMP profile? Thinking of trying another memory set. How is the G Skill on this board? Thanks...
I am sorry, but it is not a board, it is you ... and / or components, which have been chosen by you.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
I am running my Foxconn rock stable not at 3GHz, but at 4.3 GHz ...
Asus Striker Extreme II is a nice board as well if it runs stable, but it uses 790i chipset, which I don't think is 100% reliable ATM.
And BTW OCZ memory is not on a list of recommended memory for 790i chipset (at least on EVGA website), why should it be recommended / tested for BlackOps?
You still dont understand what I am saying. I can get to 3.6 EASY on the foxconn, but I cant go over 3.0 on the Asus. HOWEVER, the asus does 10x better at 3GHz @3dmark 06 than the foxconn does at 3.6GHz. The memory I have now (OCZ) is actually quite stable on my Asus 790i motherboard @ 1600, but on the foxconn it cant reach over 1066, which is WELL BELOW the preset settings for this RAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Sorry if i misunderstand you, but are you saying that Foxconn have based their recommendations and tests for memory on the X48 Blackops on the list of recommended 790i memory from the EVGA website?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Well, I finally gave up on the OCZ since its been stated that its trash ram and put my Dominators in. I'm not happy about wasting $600 or having to drop back down to 2GB, but I'm sure I'll get over it. I had the same problem with the Corsair at the start. I really dont know what it is you guys are doing to get memory to work and boot with stock settings, I know I sure cant.
Anyway, after hours of more frustration and at least 100 reboots, if not more, it started to come around. I will admit that I did not come across these settings by knoweldge, but more by accident and trying those settings others have used. I have alot of strange settings, most of which I have no idea what they do or what they affect, but it wouldnt boot or would fail Super Pi or prime95 without them. Its Rock Solid now, Prime95, OCCT and 32M Super Pi.
Here is what I had to set to get it this way. I would very much like one of you Guru's to look at them and tell me if I am going to hurt the MB with the settings. Temps are fine, Idling in the high 20's, Prime95 and OCCT maxing at 56. I think thats excellent, so I'm not worried about the temps, but I am worried if I have something set too high or whatever to hurt a chip or something because I dont understand alot of them, mainly the GTL's.
Quantum BIOS Version G26
Overclock Phase Select - Manual O.C.
CPU Clock Ratio - 9x
CPU Clock Ratio +0.5 - Enabled
Target CPU Core Speed - 4278 MHz
CPU Clock (FSB) - 450 MHz
CPU Clock vs Memory Speed - 4 : 333
System Memory Speed - 1800 MHz
CPU Clock Skew Control - 0 ps
CPU Clock Amplitude CTRL - 800mV
PCI Express Clock - 100MHz
PCI Clock - 33.6 MHz
Spread Spectrum - Disabled
Overclock Recovery - Enabled
All Voltage Control
CPU Voltage Multiplier - x1.000
CPU Voltage Setting - 1.5000
CPU Vdroop Compensation - Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage Setting - 1.584304
CPU VTT Voltage Setting - 1.350
CPU GTL Ref. 0 Voltage - +10
CPU GTL Ref. 1 Voltage - +5
CPU GTL Ref. 2 Voltage - +10
CPU GTL Ref. 3 Voltage - +10
NB Voltage Setting - 1.673
NB GTL Ref. Voltage - +3
SB Voltage Setting - 1.538
DRAM Voltage Setting - 2.044
DRAM Pull-up Voltage - +3
DRAM Pull-down Voltage - +3
DRAM Ref. Voltage - +3
Memory Timing Config
ECC Scrubbing - Disabled
DRAM Timing Selectable - Manual
CAS Latency Time - 7
RAS# to CAS# Delay - 7
RAS# Precharge - 7
Precharge Delay - 20
Row Refresh Cycle - Auto
Performance Level - 10
Write to Precharge - Auto
Write to Read Delay - Auto
Act to Act Delay - Auto
Read to Precharge - Auto
All Precharge to Refresh - Auto
Refresh Period Ratio - x1
Refresh Period - Auto
Command Per Clock - 2T
R2RD Same Rank - Auto
R2RD Different Rank - Auto
W2RD Same Rank - Auto
W2RD Different Rank - Auto
FSB Gain 1 - Auto
FSB Gain 2 - Auto
FSB Gain 3 - Auto
FSB Gain 4 - Auto
Blue DIMM Clock DLL Adjust - Auto
White DIMM Clock DLL Adjust - Auto
Blue DIMM Ctrl DLL Adjust - Auto
White DIMM Ctrl DLL Adjust - Auto
DRAM Command DLL Adjust - Auto
My next goal is to bump it up to 10x450. If I can get it stable there without going to 1.6V, then I will be tickled pink, for that was the goal of this MB for me. 1.6V ends up at mid 30's idle and high 60's max, and that worries me a bit. I know it shouldnt really, high 60's isnt that bad, and I may have to live with that for 4.5, but I'm hoping not.
Here are a few screen shots....
Here is my 2cents...
Foxconn needs to fess up and admit they dropped the ball by not providing an adequet list of RAM not to buy; and I do not mean a super long list, but Christ man, ASUS has a nice list on the manual that tells you which memory you should look at if you want a certain FSB or RAM speed. I think that was friggin' great on part of ASUS, and they done it with X48 and P45 [at least] motherboards.
Customers need to stop blaming the board, I know I was one of them, but a board can only do what it is allowed to do by its components/BIOS. Yes, Foxconn needs to fix a lot of bugs in the BIOS, but customers also need to provide the board with adequet hardware, I mean, it's a $360-399 board why on earth would you stick cheap @$$ $100 set of RAM in it or a CPU well below an E8400 [not saying anyone in particular, just generalizing]. It just does not make sense to buy the 3rd or 4th most expensive enthusiast motherboard and provide it with crappy components. I'm not saying go out and get a QXxxxx or some other form of super expensive components, but don't get the cheapest things around and come here blasting the board; just because the board is expensive does not mean it will support every RAM stick, CPU, GPU, etc out there.
Are you joking? How is OCZ cheap RAM? You get different flavors, from value to performance. I have one of the most expensive sets of RAM you can buy, which cost me £294! This RAM is more expensive than the motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telo
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...Z3RPX1333EB4GK)
So, now tell me I am buying cheap RAM? Customers should never stop complaining if they have something to very much valid to complain about. The motherboard doesnt support OCZ memory and it wasnt mentioned by Foxconn. And now we have a reason for it... not because its "trash" ram, but because OCZ didnt give foxconn free memory to test. This is beyong belief.
Indeed. Xello, gmcg's statement seemed like a fanboy statement to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
No, No, No. It is not trash RAM. That is what people would have you believe. OCZ RAM is amongst the most popular RAM you can buy and if you look at the link above, you will see they produce for the enthusiast and overclocker too. This all seems to come down to the fact that OCZ wont give out free RAM to foxconn. It's childish to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
Your gripe has no foundation, mobo makers don't have to support every RAM brand. Did you ever read a review or advertising stating that this board WILL support such and such Brand? Now with that said, stop your crying (like I did) and do something about it; either drop the board or get components known to work on this board; or like a lot of people, wait for a BIOS revision to take your issue away.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
Well based on what i've read that's just false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telo
This is leading nowhere though, unless we can get some genuine responses from someone on Foxconn's behalf there's not much that can be done, Spike. I know a system vendor here in the UK with some ties to Foxconn, and after the trouble they've had so far with this memory they will no doubt be taking it to them, so i'll let you know what comes of it.
Thanks Xello. UK here too:) I would appreciate some sort of official response from foxconn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
You will all be pleased to know Foxconn are working with OCZ, specifically Foxconn UK and I have made suggestions to bios that look to have already been implemented.
I have dimms here that run 8-8-8-24 on P5E3 premium and won't do over 1800 9-9-9- on the T3R, I have the same dimms running 8-8-8- on ther S2E 1.8V but will not do 1600 on an MSI p45, does this mean the ram is bad?
Come on guys, all i see here is i will have to spend 2 weeks showing you all how to set up memory, the IC's are the same as corsairs, the PCB is high speed 8 layer, the SPD is full jedec spec, you just need to get ther board to work with it.
So there is a memory problem or a board problem or a compatibility problem, right? I have no problems using Corsair, you have no problems (well I can't really consider running OCZ memory just at stock speeds, but let's take it as "no problem") using OCZ with Asus, there are only three logical assumptions left here - either there is a compatibility problem or you can't get both memory and motherboard to work together and finally you have a non-operational (faulting) board. It is an easy solution to check some other brand to find out if it is a compatibility problem or faulting board. If you are sure that you did everything right, your competence is not an issue, therefore you either need to replace the board or OCZ memory - depending on your result with other brand of memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
Such as you are fine with Asus and it's 3 GHz results, get rid of BlackOps, nothing to talk about :D
No, I am assuming that such as both boards are directed for OC being positioned as some kind of the best OC solutions, the same or similar components which can handle such conditions, should be OK in both cases, and the same with faulting components.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Why Corsair Dominator DDR3-1800C7D and Cellshock DDR3-1866 perform everywhere perfectly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Are all x48 motherboards the same, if they use the same Intel x48 chipset?
You need to read the whole sentence and not just grab what you like from it. I said that Foxconn never said nor did it advertise which RAM the BlackOps will support. With that said, that's the last I'll talk about it; if you want to keep getting aggrevated ans whine, that's on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Anyhow, I just put in my new E8500, and I must admit it is going off the hook :D. All I did was give the RAM a 7-7-7-15-1T with 1.84v; then set the FSB to 421 [for an even 4Ghz], the vCore was set to 1.20v, the VTT set to 1.25v [1.35v in BIOS], PLL was left alone at 1.5084v, VDroop was enabled, NB set to 1.31v, SB was left alone and everything else was left at auto. RAM divider was set to 1:4:333Mhz, and here is the crazy part, all this is happening with the stock P02 BIOS. :shocked: I have OCCT running on it as we speak to give it a walk around the block and see what happens.
UPDATE:
For anyone interested, this E8500 is a Q809A655 batch, packed on 04/24/08. With OCCT running at 100% core0 reaches 44c max while core1 reaches 48c max [under watercooling].
Well I am starting to get the board stable now. I did not realize my memory was getting so many errors above a 1800. So now I am debating the CellShocks 15000 (Blue Sticks) and sell a body part or save some cash & body part and get the G Skill or Super Talent 12800 kits? Any recommendations?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
If you can't afford it, don't go for the CellShocks, eventhough it will be a great investment; the peace of mind you get alone makes the steep price tag disappear.
No they are not the same, and I know from working with the Foxconn UK rep the corsair and cellshock have not always worked perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
I have the board here and being honest i have been waiting for Foxconn to get their act together with the bios before i started testing, seems now it is time to start spoon feeding info on how to make the board clock memory.
for all, a few things you need to keep in mind while testing.
Anything 2000 and some of the 1800 rated dimms from OCZ are now samsung based, these much prefere cas9 over cas8 at high clocks.
Samsungs usually prefere advanced skew over microns delay
1333EB is the best bang/buck from OCZ if you want Micron based dimms, top bin for speed rebinned for tight timings, kits here for me do 8-8-8-24 at 2000 really easy (1.8V or so) on many boards and respond well to voltage to get tighter timings.
All x48 boards need skew adjustment to work well, no excuses here if you leave it by auto its not going to work well for you.
Now we just have to hope Foxconn have skew adjustment working correctly in bios ;)
but the ocz is a 4gb kit right?Quote:
Originally Posted by R B Customs
it sounds like we need to tweak the bios for 2gb sticks... did you try the g27 bios?
no, i doubt its the ocz memory, its rather that there might be problems with 2gb sticks. then again, at least with an older bios...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
i have a set of cellshock 2gb ES sticks and a set of corsair 2gb sticks and they seem to work fine... ill try to do some more testing.
i assume the default subtimings in bios dont work well for 2gb sticks, and if somebody just leaves the timings all at auto, the sticks might not work well...
ill try to get in touch with ocz and check what timings they recommend.
steffi, thanks a lot!!! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by StellaNor
thats some eally nice feedback, thanks!
yes, we are aware of the divider problems, but we focussed on getting 1:4 working well first, since thats what most people will use to bench with dualcores. with quads the middle dividers make sense, so ill ask our bios engineers to work on those dividers next.
so basically to summarize your testing:
1. auto divider seems to have issues, but surprisingly works with the corsair kit
2. 1:3 and 1:3.2 dont work at all
3. 1:4 200 and 266 strap dont work at all
4. 1:4 400 fsb strap doesnt work
im running 2100 with the 400fsb strap, so the strap does work... but somehow there are problems at default settings i guess...
you also mentioned something about command rate 2t causing problems?
what exactly is the problem there?
id say 1. is the first we should set our bios engs to work on, im sure its easy to fix as well. then what would you rather prefer as second priority? getting the 1:3 dividers working, or getting the tight straps for 1:4 working?
spikerules, where am i bashing you or anybody else?
i asked you to calm down and focus on reporting the actual problems you have instead of writing endless pots on how dissapointed and upset you are.
and i didnt blame any other manufacturer either, on the contrary, my point was that you should stop looking for the cuplrit and somebody to blame and instead focus on getting the problems fixed.
like i said, if the board is really giving you such a hard time you cant stay focussed anymore and just keep getting that upset, then just get rid of it.
how are comments like this helping anyone?
its not true, we do have ocz memory here and we do test with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
i personally havent tested a 4gb kit from ocz yet, but im only here for 2 weeks.
if on the other hand you are actually interested in getting it to work, then tell me what exactly is wrong and ill do my best to get it fixed.
just remove the xmp profile in case you think thats the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
what settings are you running?
show me a single board or memory manufacturer guaranteeing 1600 with 4x2gb ddr3 sticksQuote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
your using 2 4gb kits, which are rated to run 1600 on their own.
you cant just put them together and expect them to work at full speed.. probably even without adjusting the memory subtimings...
THAT is overclocking.... thats what ALL of us do! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GTFouts
sure, with time you get a better feeling for the hardware and timings, but there is still a LOT of trial and error... thats the fun of ocing! theres always something new you find out :)
shamino and i will try to drop some more notes and maybe write some quick guides to help you guys out and make it a bit easier, but basically all this trial and error is what overclocking is all about :D
and you get rewarded with a really fast system, like in your case.
congrats btw, thats a really nice cpu oc :toast:
you are right... we need to post a list of tested and recommended sets of memory. and yes, we are stocking up on BIOS eng resources :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Telo
hey Saaya or Gmcg
i have decided in the end, that to cool my system properly i will need to get water cooling
i am looking for some advice on watercooling my system - just to change the current subject and :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing thats going on at the moment
i am looking at getting a koolance system with south bridge, north bridge, cpu cooling and mosfett cooling blocks
1. if i remove the coolers that come with the board will i void my warranty and do you have a procedure for removing them without causing damage
2. will the mounting holes be compatible with the koolance cooling blocks
thanks in advance
best regards
flanr
yes, its a good idea to move on :D
im using a koolance watercooling kit myself :)
the provided spring stuff you pull over the hoses to prevent them from bending too far are really useful.
the koolance fittings are really nice, i like them, very secure... but a little annoying to screw on since they twist the hoses.
do NOT use the koolance fittings on the blackops waterblock, the seal rings are too thin and they wont be completely watertight.
im using screw fastened rings to secure the hoses on the blackops waterblock fittings, which work really well, and they are strong enough to even lift up the board pulling on the hoses :D
i wouldnt watercool the sb if i were you, theres really no point since it doesnt get that hot, and an aditional block means extra hoses, which means extra work and itll look a bit messy. the blackops waterblock is really good enough to run high vmch, im running 1.8v with a 24-27 degree ambient temp and the nb temp is around 40 celsius under load :) the blackops block cools the sb and the mosfets through the atached heatpipe, so really, id recommend you to use that block.
no hassle in removing the blocks, no risk of damaging the board by removing the blocks, no risk of losing the warranty (im not sure if you would lose it, gotta check), and you dont need to buy a north and southbridge waterblock and then add a fan and heatsink to cool the mosfets properly.
As Saaya says, the 4in1 quantum cooler, used with water is working extremely well...
Thanks Tony,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Glad to know they are trying to fix the issue. I have been very upset so far at the response from Foxconn. Hopefully Foxconn UK can give us something to sing about in the future:) Please keep in touch with the results. UK to the rescue again;)
You said you didnt test with OCZ, because they dont send you free memory. I also didnt say I was using a 4GB stick. I even sent you a link to the memory I was using, and you didnt bother to click the link. Now, how are comments like yours helping anyone? If you have been working with 2x2GB, then please tell me of your results... why say you've been testing and not show any results?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Here is the link to the memory, just in case you havent been paying attention. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...Z3RPX1333EB4GK)
I got mine under water, and my new E8500 reached 38c under full load from OCCT 2.0 :D [was read as 48c, but it is 10c off]. I have the whole PC piped into one loop [VGA x2, CPU, NB.. not so many as before when I had the P5E3 Premium running with Koolance NB, SB, and VR x2], my HD2900XTs are overclocked to 900/1200 and they hardly break a sweat as well. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
not at all, i said that i havent tried the ocz 2gb sticks myself, which, being here for only 2 weeks isnt really surprising, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
and i never said i or FOXCONN would not test ocz memory or anybody elses memory unless they send it to us for free. its common to swap hardware among different mfgs and afaik thats just what foxconn and ocz are doing.
there are no 4gb ddr3 sticks, if i said stick then it must have been a typo and i meant kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by spikerules
and i dont take any pictures or screenshots of the the tests im doing here... what for?
now do you want to go on and rant and try to discredit me and foxconn and try to stir up sht between foxconn and ocz, or are you starting to get interested in actually fixing your problems?
have you tried running a single kit of the memory?
does it work? whats the max clockspeed you can reach?
what memory slots did you use?
what timings and memory divider and what vdimm?
what chipset voltage are you using?
how are you cooling the northbridge?
what cpu are you using and how did you configure it?
One of the reasons to buy BlackOps is it's 4in1 cooling solution. I see no point in replacing it with a Koolance kit paying additional money if you want to water-cool your board, it is VERY doubtful that the last one will performs better.Quote:
Originally Posted by flanr
Please take in mind that either SB and MOSFETS don't dissipate a lot of power, only NB requires water-cooling if you want to apply 1.7V or something similar to it, therefore in theory BlackOps cooling solution for an engineer looks almost perfect.
This is why so many manufacturers use heatpipes to cool SB and MOSFETS.
The problem is an aluminum cover.
We had a long discussion with sayaa in private messages, arguing about possible galvanic corrosion.
Such as today almost everyone uses some kind of protective/lubricating fluid in their water-cooling loops against algae, the same fluid can be an anti-corrosion inhibitor, therefore the risk of damaging / fast corrosion is pretty low, I have to agree with sayaa regarding this matter.
I have noticed that the aluminum cover has BETTER idea of water flow technically than both planned copper and acrylic covers. Take a look:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php?image=8785
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php?image=8786
As we can see, the previous Foxconn cooling solution had in reality only one point of forced contact between water and water-block in the middle, now the water flow has to go through all pins, which are thinner and have significantly more dissipating surface, design of latest WB (retail BlackOps) is quite similar to design of one of the best available CPU waterblocks - EK supreme:
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._2007_52657934
And:
http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00917/2061853.jpg
Of course, there is no nozzle, but to cool NB is much easier task than to cool CPU.
Take a look at your WB cover, you will see that it's design doesn't allow water flow to go around the pins, it directs water to go through the pins.
I would recommend to use the existing water-block with let's say Primochill Liquid Utopia (with any dye color you prefer) and some inexpensive 1 12" fan rad + reservoir / pump combo.
At least I am going to do it. Don't worry about some foam while you apply Liquid Utopia, some people went :banana: :banana: :banana: seeing it, but it disappears pretty fast.
I'm no expert, but doesn't that last only for so long?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
No, but others here have and had no success.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
3.6 stable but havent tried more than that. Slots 1 and 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
NB 1.5v, tried all the dividers and nothing. 1.844v all the way up to 2v for memoryQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Using watercooling for the NBQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya