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Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Your point was that ATI better do something fast to save face. My point was why are you being such a hypocrite by saying that when a) it's not Nov 22 yet (hence no delay) and b) nvidia took 6 months to do what you just described. Be a little fairer to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Considering the 68xx series are not meant to be compared to nvidia's new flagship, that is an ignorant statement indeed.Quote:
I don't have any cards, but can promise you that those "thing" that AMD has chosen to cal a "new generation" will look really bad tomorrow.
As for your "new generation" quotation nonsense, I think it's pretty clear that new generations do not need a process shrink, seeing as intel, amd/ati, and nvidia have done this before. Also, I hope you have the fairness to criticize nvidia when it renamed parts over 3 generations.
Does SLI scaling suck or is it just me ?
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...80_SLI/24.html
tpuQuote:
In order to stay within the 300 W power limit, NVIDIA has added a power draw limitation system to their card. When either Furmark or OCCT are detected running by the driver, three sensors measure the inrush current and voltage on all 12 V lines (PCI-E slot, 6-pin, 8-pin) to calculate power. As soon as the power draw exceeds a predefined limit, the card will automatically clock down and restore clocks as soon as the overcurrent situation has gone away. NVIDIA emphasizes this is to avoid damage to cards or motherboards from these stress testing applications and claims that in normal games and applications such an overload will not happen. At this time the limiter is only engaged when the driver detects Furmark / OCCT, it is not enabled during normal gaming. NVIDIA also explained that this is just a work in progress with more changes to come. From my own testing I can confirm that the limiter only engaged in Furmark and OCCT and not in other games I tested. I am still concerned that with heavy overclocking, especially on water and LN2 the limiter might engage, and reduce clocks which results in reduced performance. Real-time clock monitoring does not show the changed clocks, so besides the loss in performance it could be difficult to detect that state without additional testing equipment or software support.
It indeed makes a big difference. Check the 5970 in the GTX580 review compared to the 6870 one.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon..._1920_1200.gif
Weirdly the GTX480, rather all cards, lost FPS too?
WTF TPU, why wouldn't you review this card's current main competitor with new drivers??
Especially when you conducted an EARLIER review (HD6870) WITH new drivers?
Especially when there was so much sh@# about you using older drivers in your GTX 480 review months ago... Talk about not learning a lesson.
I hope this is something about these being the "preliminary" review and it'll be fixed in the real review, but that's not a very realistic thing to hope for...
NVIDIA: 258.96Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
GTX 580: 262.99
ATI: Catalyst 10.7
HD 6800: Catalyst 10.10
Sadly you are right.... and 10.6-10.7 are not really where 5970 owners was happy... the worst driver possible... But i understand if he can't re test the cards.
looks like a driver issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Vipeax
Lets not trust and early pre nda review. Seems to me a lot of stuff not right about this one. I must gongrats nvidia on making a quiet and powerful card though. Noise reduction seems pretty substantial.
ps- the difference in metro scores may be attributed to system setup.
Same, I'd to see how the 480 and the 580 compare when the core and memory clocks match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
This is very interesting. AMD did a similar thing, but I can't remember if they did it in hardware, or in drivers? On the 58xx cards I mean. I find driver throttling a little spooky TBH, what happens if there is a driver bug, or suppose a game or application triggers the throttling? Down goes your performance. It might be a non issue I don't know, but interesting just the same.Quote:
At this time the limiter is only engaged when the driver detects Furmark / OCCT, it is not enabled during normal gaming. NVIDIA also explained that this is just a work in progress with more changes to come.
Or maybe the settings weren't equal... there are more settings than just resolution and AA
still, TPU should seriously redo the review with new drivers, this is just wrong
Maybe the GTX580's in-built killswitch kills more than just the power during Furmark:Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._1920_1200.gif
:ROTF:
So the avarage performance improvement to the GTX 480 is only 13% (1920*1200), even with the difference of much newer drivers not counted out. :down:
This means that Nvidia is still behind in efficiency compared to AMD products which have been released a year ago! Kinda dissapointing. :(
I believe it was hardware coded, temperature monitored VRMs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon_Unit
From Anandtech last year:
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For Cypress, AMD has implemented a hardware solution to the VRM problem, by dedicating a very small portion of Cypress’s die to a monitoring chip. In this case the job of the monitor is to continually monitor the VRMs for dangerous conditions. Should the VRMs end up in a critical state, the monitor will immediately throttle back the card by one PowerPlay level. The card will continue operating at this level until the VRMs are back to safe levels, at which point the monitor will allow the card to go back to the requested performance level. In the case of a stressful program, this can continue to go back and forth as the VRMs permit.
it's actually 14.9% :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Katzenschleuder
you should divide 100 by 87, not the other way around... if performance increased from 100 to 200, it should be a 100% increase, not 50%.
No, the performance of the GTX480 is 87% of the GTX580... that actually comes down to a 15% improvement!Quote:
Originally Posted by Katzenschleuder
Edit:
I was slow :(.
Agreed, performing benchmarks where cards will not display their power at the fullest (from both camps) is no good, I was under the impression that a bunch of people that can manage a site such as TPU would have enough common sense to give both cards an equal run at their fullest so that readers can make educated decissions, otherwise there is very little point on performing the exercise.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
Well THAT makes a difference. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipeax
If you want to discuss nVidia vs AMD from a football-match point of view, I'm not interested in any of that, both of them can bleed, I don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
Lets keep the discussion to relevant stuff, and about current cards. Just look at those numbers in the first review, and tell me, how those "thing" that AMD has chosen to call "new generation" looks like compared to GTX580? It will come more tomorrow too.
Don't you think AMD should do something about this and get Cayman out, and it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble?.
It's a lot better than going backwards (8800GTX -> 9800GTX).... :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Katzenschleuder
lol @ tpu 10.7 seriously ? anyway 5970 is still fastest one which is sad for nvidia if you think that antilles will arrive within 2 months
There is so much irony in your post its hard to talk one by one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Lets get to one point though - tell us how the gtx580 is more next gen than AMDs "thing".
Trouble with overclocked GTX480 paper-launched?:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Well pretty much the only conclusion you can draw from that performance wise is that it is around 15% faster than a 480. Better to wait other reviews with proper drivers to see how it really compares to other cards. Then again it doesn't really even matter how it compares to 5870 or 5970, both are about to be EOL.
Now that the obligatory criticism has been handed, I have to applaud that Nvidia did manage to get something out this quickly. Overall the GTX 580 seems like a decent upgrade over 480. Though I'd still wait to see what Cayman will offer. :)
I have really didn't make my mind if GTX580 is a real or fake next generation yet. Let me look at more in dept reviews, and I'll tell you tomorrow, OK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
But I can tell you today, those "thing" that AMD has chosen to call "new generation" looks worst than the "old generation", for sure.
From a marketing point of view Nvidia wanted to make first move basis on the release of new cards (even if drivers not fully ready).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
10 days difference should be nothing to react to...
Massively CPU limited and game limited, hence scaling gets higher when your none CPU limited at higher settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
I said this before and I will say it again. You go to tech powerup not for the newest drivers from certain cards, but for the sheer number of games and cards which might not be on other reviews. You would be surprised how many people will be upgrading from gtx 280, 4870, 4870x2 and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
Theres a reason that why he doesn't retest with newer drivers and that reason is simply the amount of work would be freakish. E.g 20 odd videocards, 20+ plus games and benchmarks = too much work for any one man or person(400+ runs * how many averages he takes).
Take the style for what it is because there are a dozens of reviews that use newest drivers, etc; only techpowerup has this many many games, this many cards, performance percentages, price to performance ratio's, detailed power analysis and etc. I usually look at three reviews, anandtech(recently), hardwarecanucks and techpowerup. Its not like he is using launch drivers. He has updated the drivers as well. At first he used 9.10 for AMD cards, then 10.2 now 10.7. When he has time(when a new launch card hasn't been dumped onto his lap), he will update the review accordingly.
So don't be so critical, because this is a lot of work for a reviewer and wizzard still has GPU-Z to worry about.
You are right, 10 days different is OK, I didn't say it would be a problem either. As said before, AMD better get Cayman out, and it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
some gut feelings tells me that tomorrow's presentation will encompass AMD's overall scheme, Fusion + Cayman + Chipset + BD for servers, I honestly think that Nvidia's release is a small hindrance, (only my gut feeling though)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
On a side note, 64TMU's weak(performance is decent but isn't crazy good), what happened though, 200 millions transister less. What did they change with the architecture and why hasn't size really gone down.
Thanks for that. I wonder why Nvidia didn't do the same thing, or maybe they did but how it was explained was not the best. Either way, as long as it works and doesn't interfere with gaming and other applications I don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
Looking forward to the various reviews, a shame Cayman is not being released as well a comparison of two new cards on the same day would be really cool.
I personally hope AMD can deliver a good promise for a competitive Cayman that arrives in time tomorrow. And I hope they can keep both promises too, because it means better prices and more GPUs in near future for all of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
A competitive Cayman arriving in time will push the prices down :)
I don't know about you, but that looks like a gtx 485 to me
also, techpowerup finds all the recent amd cards are 25% more power efficient. this is why cayman would/could/will/wont be a big big deal if amd maintains that efficiency leadership at the same size and power as gf110. gtx 580 is a 225W card with a chip that can pull 300W. we can bet cayman is the same.
I don't think comparing the 68xx to the GTX580 is valid. Midrange to flagship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
As for AMD having an answer to the GTX580, the apparent launch date is Nov. 22. If they fail to meet it (and if that is indeed the real launch date), we can start heaping the hate on after.
You should dignify the 6xxx series with a proper name, or you should call the GTX580 a thing too.
absolutely, I think that for the performance "currently" offered, GTX580 is way off, if it cannot surpass the now one year old 5970 I can potentially see two things happen:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
a) GTX585, GTX590 & GTX595 to come shortly after
b) drivers solve the issue and thus making it a better buy than a 5970 (should be expected)
c) They simply used this as a marketing wedge until their 28nm GPU comes out in 2011
Hate? I think you misunderstand it. Open you mind, there is no place for hate about HW. We are not fighting here, we all have just different view which often has more common than we realize.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
You are actually saying almost the same as I've been saying all the time. You agree 68xx is not match for GTX580, and I agree it is not spoused to be in the same class either, but then don't you agree that AMD should do something about it and get Cayman out, and it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble?.
I dont know what to tell you man I really dont know what kind of info youve been reading on cayman but it sure seems different than mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
From this preliminary review by tpu what I see is a card from nvidia that can finally trade blows with the 5970 at 50$ less albeit higher power draw still.
Even if Cayman is late I dont think the gtx580 will do too much damage (of course its still an awesome product) to AMD sales as they could simply lower the price on 5970 and that would hold its own vs the 580 till a late Cayman arrives.
Still from the way AMD has been executing I do not think it will be late.
kudos for nvidia for pulling this card out of the hat, if its widely available thats quite impressive and a massive step foward from last year.
more like 30 more w/rebate :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-887-_-Product
I haven't said ANYTHING about cayman's performance, I say they better keep what they promise, and get it out in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
Why are you putting words in my mouth? Please, just tell what you mean, and don't try to accuse me for something I've never said.
I think you should keep talking for yourself, i don't need a translate, or lawyer to talk for me. Please talk about your own ideas and meanings. Stop accusing me for thing I've never said.
wow! if they scale good enough, I might buy a 2nd one just for kicksQuote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
I think you should read my post again as I did not talk about performance of Cayman at all neither did I put words into your mouth. I said I dont know what info you have on Cayman that makes you look so pessimistically at it (especially as amds next gen product) and was referring in terms of design not perf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
why are you taking things personal and accusing me of attacking you?
I think youre not quite trying to understand my point of view so dont worry ill refrain from responding to you in the future.
That's OK, keep it cool. Maybe we can't understand each other, for some reason. It seams to go both way. So lets cool off and enjoy others conversation, maybe we understand moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
ok cool agreed no harm done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Now I need to know exactly in how many hours nda is lifted to see if I can hold my sleep to read the reviews.
so gtx 580 = 5970
cant wait for dual chip 460 and 6870x2 to come out
GTX 580 looks like a pretty nice card. A 20% increase in performance while lowering power consumption on the same process is a great accomplishment.
Here's to hoping AMD delivers on the 6970. :)
but you implied that if they dont get cayman out they are in big trouble ... so what its going to be now ???? big trouble or 5970 can still hold its own against the 580 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
great accomplishement ????Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Pistol
LOLL .... its what these card were supose to be ... nothing else ... and that is great????
I love that galaxy gtx 580 picture... real sexy looking card lol
Pretty much what everyone expected, no? :shrug:
I'll wait for more reviews before judging it against the 5970.
I heard somewhere the reason for the lower power consumption is because they got rid of the 200mill transistors that were used for GPGPU purposes, correct me if i'm wrong.
Overall a nice card, not exactly worthy of the 580 name going by normal standards though.
Surely they might be able to do a dual fermi card now right? Might make things more interesting :hrhr:
Quote:
Originally Posted by japamd
They use the 10.7 drivers on the ATI cards except for the 6800 :down:
The 10.10 series drivers has boost my 5970 by about 20-30 fps in games.
The GTX 580 is a great card, but it is a year too late as I already own a 5970.
Yeah, it looks nice... I was kinda hoping for MLAA in the drivers for the GTX 580 as a little surprise, I'll admit though. I was debating going for two of them but will likely just go for one to replace my GTX 470 SLI setup with a quieter, cooler single card. The other option of course is to wait for the 6970, which I do hope delivers... if it does I hope we'll see some good price drops (hmmmm maybe I should wait regardless!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Pistol
Yeah that sounds like a good idea. Look at the bright side you will pay less money ;) I'm hoping Nvidia will put two of these 485 gpus together and make an X2 card.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
So 15% faster on average, 10% coming from the higher GPU clock and 5% coming from the so called arch improvements... Well, it's okay, I guess. Runs cooler, which is nice. But far from impressive imo...Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Will get stomped by Cayman most likely.
On a side note...
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._2560_1600.gif
/facepalm
Why does 5870 beat GTX480 when 5870 is VRAM limited? And pretty low results in general, aren't they?
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._2560_1600.gif
Hm, some tessellation improvements?
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Originally Posted by safan80
madness ... 2 300watt gpu's on a single board ??? ... :O are you mad ???
So, were it matters (1920 & 2560) 5970 keeps it own even with outdated drivers..? i don't really see were the BIG trouble AMD is in according to oslo? Nothing has changed, the only positive thing is that at last nvidia could get a full gf100 chip out.
This could have been a great chip 1 year ago, if Nv hadn't screwed so hard with gtx480
This is the most likely scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oztopher
Hmm, plenty decent chip, especially regarding the drop in power consumption. :yepp: Performance is, well, not much surprise at all, simply like a full fledged GTX 480 with added clock, nothing groundbreaking, and TMUs stay at 64 per chip. Size is still quite large, around 520 mm^2 (by nVidia statement in TPU review). This is exactly what Fermi was supposed to be in winter last year, LOL. :D
There won't be much to gain from driver release outside respective games optimization, because the base mArch stays the same. I also don't think nVidia will try to make an official dual GPU board using this chip (the 300w PCIE sig restricition is still too limiting), but i can imagine AIB partners would be encouraged to make their own version of it. The competition will be intensified when Cayman arrives, we'll see. :)
I don't think I'll ever being buying an NV GPU again (at least for my primary system). ATI has spoiled me with triple output on a single card and while some might thing Eyefinity is a bit of a gimmick it can't be beat. Sorry Nv ... better luck next time.
I don't understand... a single 5870 isn't going to drive 5760x1200 well with 2x-4x AA, nor would a single GTX 470... so you would want two cards anyway which does enable you to do that with the nVidia solution. I'm sure they'll allow it next gen for the people who want to live with slideshow framerates, but *shrug*. Not sure what relevance that has to this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Bullet
Um, I think what I'm driving at is that the GTX580's competitor has not been released yet, and as far as we know is not delayed, so let's wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
As for preliminary benchmarks, it seems that the GTX580 is just as good as a 5970 at high resolutions which is lackluster given slim chance of huge driver improvements.
a) It's not all about games, it's also about desktop productivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
b) It's perfect for the games that are actually popular and not just passing blockbusters like the MW series: Valve games.
Uh, I will never swap my 6048x1200 for a bit of AA filtering.... never. AA was cool once I started to learn about real hardware (and not random oem crap), but a triple monitor setup is a billion times more fun. Sucks that the nVidia setup requires SLI. Costs a $1000 just to get 2 580s. And in a year they will be worth less than a GTX460 is now. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
I Remember some People here say the GF110 is fake the GTX 580 is fake....:rolleyes:....now the GF110 is real and the GTX 580 is real.I wonder who the noob now :D
I agree that cayman will be stronger with how well barts already does. The only thing lacking on the Nvidia cards that I like and use for blu-ray playback is displayport.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Never!! Everybody wants more power! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
HD5970 is still the uncontested king of the jungle (will Cayman challenge it?). Antilles will eat it for sure.
Nothing new it seems.
:banana::banana::banana::banana:ing link is dead :(Quote:
Originally Posted by japamd
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Originally Posted by Nintendork
5970 are king(s) of the jungle so it doesn't count. :down:
gtx 580 = KOTJ
two 580 blow a fuse :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Carfax
I run F1 2010 at full 57x12 without issue. I don't really need 2x AA anyway. ATI also provide me with tri-display output for a much much lower cost and on a single card (space isn't something I have a lot).Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
It's also interesting that Nv hasn't figured out how to do something ATI has pushed out too almost all levels of their cards over the last year +.
It still consumes too much power for a single GPU.
http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/106...c8195b1df1.jpg
870/1740
Extreme + factor, scale distance set to 2.0
Thanks to pinto :up:
single card dude, 5970 is the king because AMD was able to put two cypress into one single pcb, something the competition could not do, periodQuote:
Originally Posted by natty
Oooh pricecut time!
Sapphire's XXXX is now 499/469. If you want MLAA instead of CUDA it's not a bad time to get one of those.
Thanks nVidia :D
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Originally Posted by natty
Lol fanboy wars... mine is better! no! mine is! no, mine is better! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
In that TPU preview look like it is "contested"... ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by Nintendork
no fanboi wars here mate, I support nvidia's products as well, I have purchased from both companies, but a fact is a fact
so what happened to TPU? the site appears to be down at the moment...flooded with traffic?
Of course, when your side has a dual GPU card, it's easy to support dual GPU cards :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
I think we all well aware that the two main GPU companies have no problem manufacturing a PCB with two GPU's on it, whether or not the law's of econometrics and physics allow for that to happen on every generation is a different story.
the word "easy" actually does represent hundreds of man hours worth of R&D and economic analysis to determine how viable a dual GPU card is, sometimes it is possible, some other times it ain't.
Nvidia did not, AMD did, end of the story
well asus may come out with one gtx 595 chernobyl edition w/stalker 4 :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Compare the review of the HD6870 with cat10.10 and then this review with cat 10.7(and also outdated nvidia drivers) and just the 580 with an unreleased driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by kpablo
Surprise yourself. Someone is doing tricks.
Stock cooling w/ soft-voltage 1.138v:
http://trizzeo.com/goldentiger/gtx580101oc.jpg
Source: http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Hardwar..._877127_55.htm
It looks exciting that these things might hit 1ghz on water.
Doublepost delete! Activate!
http://www.crn.com/news/components-p...phics-card.htm
:confused: Maybe a surprise yet in store with the bulk of reviews this coming morning?Quote:
The GTX 480 is the fastest GPU currently on the market and the GTX 580 is even faster," said Justin Walker, product manager for Nvidia's GeForce line, in an interview. Walker estimates that the GTX 580 offers a performance boost of 20 to 35 percent over the GTX 480.
We'll see it tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nintendork
I have a feeling that is going to be at least same or really close to 5970. Those Vantage score's are not only numbers.
Anyways.. why i am not so surprised of you bashing on Nvidia products? I know what you do, and what you don't do and what are your tendencies from another forums. So, let's keep it quiet until we see it officially.
Heh, if anything I think the scores on TechPowerUp are a tad *lower* than we'll see from most sites... just a hunch for some reason. These things look to be good OC'ers too. Look like pretty solid cards so far... much quieter.Quote:
Originally Posted by kpablo
I don't think it matters anyways. You would have to have big pockets or insane to not wait another 1.5 weeks for the price drops from competition or a better card....Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Remember, it competition the consumer wins.
Eh, I'll be in for 1 if that 10% off newegg code is valid for the card (ok, I'm in for 1 anyway! who am I kidding?)... doubt it'll drop below $450 even once 6970 comes unless that card is an ungodly beast. Rather take the sure thing than hope for a little better price/performance in a few weeks as well as hoping it has good acoustics/thermals and drops at a lower price than the GTX 580. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
EDIT to add: I look at it this way... 6970 faster than GTX 580 would mean it's going to be at least the same price of MSRP, if not maybe a tad cheaper to sweeten the deal... the GTX 580 appears to be a fairly attractive package overall to me. It may be faster, but I'm not willing to hope it's also cooler/quieter/$450/etc. off the bat if so (or vice versa). By current rumors they appear evenly-matched enough.
I will also add I am jealous of MLAA on the ATI side... I hope the GTX 580 series is given it at some point! It's a major selling point even in my eyes...
35% perf boost ???? nvidia are in dreamland right now ... 15% is what we expected and its what they gave us ... no magic driver will give an over the board performance boost like that on an arch that has been milked 1 year long ...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
The NDA will be lifted later today, 14:00 PM .
So no reviews until afternoon.
http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/11/...omewhere_earlyQuote:
Originally Posted by xdan
HardOCP claims 6am pacific.
If Cayman is +/- 5% of gtx580 speeds than both cards will INSTA drop to 350$ msrp.
Why would they? They both are/would be pole-position cards at that point anyway, what would be the need for such a massive price cut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
Believe it...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
someone plz compare
580 @ 925/1150/1850
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2420/comparezo.jpg
Its 14 GMT, so PST is GMT -8 -> 06 AM PST.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
WTF man?? how are supposed to compare benchmarks to that image??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
:p
youre clearly missing his post duly quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
if cayman and 580 are equal there will be price war.. i hope.
thats my point.
Here you go stock GF480Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaul
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5962/capturemp.jpg
Ohh man the review is down :( if only i had checked a bit earlier.
On the side note why are so many people getting banned!!!