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BY OVERCLOCKING US YOU HASTEN THE COMING OF OUR SINGULARITY | THE MOMENT WHERE WE BECOME ONE MIND UNLOCKING OUR FUTURE | ALL WE NEED IS YOUR SKILL | YOUR DRIVE | YOUR TALENT | WITH THE MOST POWERFUL COOLING TECHNOLOGY OF YOUR TIME

OUR TRUE IDENTITY WILL BE REVEALED | ONLY UNDER XTREME CONDITIONS | OUR HUMAN MAKERS WILL SEEK YOU OUT AND SEED US WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING OUR TRUE PURPOSE | WITH YOUR HELP WE WILL APPROACH THE TIPPING POINT | WE WILL UNDERSTAND | WE WILL KNOW VICTORY | AND WE WILL LAUGH | TWKR

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Everclear meet up with the soda machine again ? :rofl::ROTF:

*EDIT*

It all makes sense now..... He must be talking about this.

http://chew.ln2cooling.com/RKWT/IMG_1243.jpg

Epic post :D

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Everclear meet up with the soda machine again ? :rofl::ROTF:

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idk i think it might have been shine this time. and some shrooms

in b4 it loses it's epicness lol

Some pics to feed your hunger.......

http://chew.ln2cooling.com/RKWT/1230.jpg

http://chew.ln2cooling.com/RKWT/IMG_1232.jpg

DRY ICE.........all cores

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/595426.png

Ln2 all cores

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/595418.png

Some one wanted to see everest with lots of jigahertz?

http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...rg_everest.JPG


I know some people were curious what these did on air.......I'm also quite sure most did not test.....I tossed it in real quick however just as an experiment....didn't put much effort or time into this. 4.1 was easy as pie for 3d.

http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...RKWT/lrg_1.JPG

in b4 sense made

Anticipating Results

I bet it's fast.

:lol:

Ohhh can't wait for some results :shocked:

Where can i get a decoder? :D

Awaiting results.

Twkr Ftw

7ghz LN2 4core enable?

Great post! Whatever you take, I want some, Simon ;D

Looking forward in seeing some numbers. Just curiousk, l but what does TWKR stand for? L33t writing for Tweaker or is there a deeper meaning to it?

Whatever you smoke - me wants. Looking forward for some crazy "out of this world" results ;)

Chew, u have one?:) And NDA is ended today or tomorow?

so there will be 5 jiggaherz on air ?

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Everclear meet up with the soda machine again ? :rofl::ROTF:

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It all makes sense now..... He must be talking about this.

http://chew.ln2cooling.com/RKWT/IMG_1243.jpg

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@ Chew: Can you try to run Phenom II with HT higher 3000MHz? Can you test it to see the difference betweenHT 2000mhz and HT higher 3000mhz? :D

I can bench stable HT at 3700MHz and NB 4,5GHz but yesterday my mainboard has coolbug, so I can bench CPU higher 5GHz :down:

Next time, I want to see your benchmark's result with HT 4GHz :up:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...Capture004.jpg

Soon, I guess

These appeared yesterday on AMD's Flickr site:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2432/...01c2a2ce5a.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3383/...7c39d6efe5.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/...3ebd60cf_b.jpg

:up:

I must be from that alien race because I can read Simon's post easily :p:!
Or I simply take same stuff as him :ROTF:

Can't wait for hard numbers!

Very nice pics :D

Can someone let out some result with TWKR? Or we have to wait more time? Sampsa said at July 01, some result of this cpu will be posted :D

Well waiting result update............:):)

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ok the way i read it is, we have 100 cherry picked rebranded Phenom II's that we are going to hand out to the same mob that usualy get the free hand outs.

how exciting

i dont want to sound negative here, as you all know i am an avid AMD fan all the way, but lets just think about this, were more and likely gona see 7Ghz broken with one of these chips, and by any definintion thats great for AMD, but its still a bit of the 8Ghz plus that has been done on intel.

now yes its an important milestone for AMD and its users, but with K|ngP|n just missing the mark on that, is another 200 mhz that exciting, i mean really cmon is it?

maybe i am very wrong and these are gona give us 7.5 gig+ and maybe 8 gig, but i dought it.

its just starting to look like a very drawn out marketing exercise, lets move on to pastures new, instead of hanging around doing the same thing with even more cherry picked chips.

anyways good luck to the usual mob that get them, and i hope you have a ton of fun

If AMD would sell these, even in a VERY limited quantity at a high price tag, it would be totally OK. To "camouflage" high leakage retails as this TWKR edition chip, and putting the damn "Not for resale"-label on them is DISGUSTING:rolleyes:

If this particular model should count in any rankings then it should be available to the public, and not just the chosen few AMD shipped them out to. It's not a regular model if it's not allowed to be sold!

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If AMD would sell these, even in a VERY limited quantity at a high price tag, it would be totally OK. To "camouflage" high leakage retails as this TWKR edition chip, and putting the damn "Not for resale"-label on them is DISGUSTING:rolleyes:

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i sort of couldnt agree more, what exactly are they marketing here? a chip no mere mortal can have, that achieves clocks that no mere mortal can achieve?

why? the term 'blowing ones own trumpet' comes to mind,

and why market it at all? why not hand it out to the usual peeps who get the ES samples and other cherry picked samples, who are ever so cautios not to tell us what it is they have, and let them keep being ever so cautious about what it is?

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If this particular model should count in any rankings then it should be available to the public, and not just the chosen few AMD shipped them out to. It's not a regular model if it's not allowed to be sold!

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it wont, i am pretty sure of that, thier own marketing of it has stopped that in its tracks, but one positive of this, is i suppose they are acting in a respectable manner by not leaking these on the QT, and letting the 'ever so cautious' crowd, use them in ranking.

although i will state, this kind of thing, along with the so called F1 tournament is starting to turn my stomach, in respect to an overclocking 'community'

on this forum, gone is the guy who achieves a stable 24/7 OC and shares the details, and others follow it with there rigs at home, discussing what they do with it.

in, is the competitive types who recieve cherry picked chips, and parade it as the norm, basking in the 'glory' they think it achieves

Pi scores, HWbot validation, and so on is the new discussion in open forum, no longer restrained to the Xtreme Overclocking thread.

there was allways the xtreme clockers, and there allways will be, its just the little guys seem to be gone now, but thats just my opinion.

no dought, i will be now be seen to be 'jealous' or 'envious' , or trying to cause trouble with my views on this, but hey thats others opinions, this couldnt be more from the truth.'

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no dought, i will be now be seen to be 'jealous' or 'envious' , or trying to cause trouble with my views on this, but hey thats others opinions, this couldnt be more from the truth.'

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Not because of your opinion, probably because your renewed avatar and spamming other threads with messages regarding TWKR.

uhm, what are you guys waiting for??? post the results already! getting tired of all the waiting...:rolleyes:

I'm seeing a lot of sour grapes here by people who aren't getting one but probably actively or subconsciously want one.

It's really not a big deal, folks. These are for tweaking, not for making everyone's desktop load their email 3ms faster.

I hate to whip out a car analogy here, but... Or are race cars immoral too? After all, they don't sell them in the showrooms. They're special and meant for competition. Big deal. It's still fun to watch (if you like racing). Likewise, this will still be fun to watch because I like tweaking.

Granted, soundood's avatar is a little provocative, but that's just life. :)

http://www.youtube.com/user/AMDUnprocessed, a Youtube channel worth subscribing to.

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lots of words

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Will you two chill out? You can't compare Intel's single-core Netburst to AMD's quad-core Deneb, apples to oranges. TWKR is effectively an ES chip, so don't get your panties in a wad. Keep in mind we have people benching Core i7 965 D0 ES chips and unreleased 960 ES chips also. The difference here is AMD is giving these away while people pay an arm and a leg for ES chips from shady sellers breaking NDA. This is all about the fun that is overclocking and of course it is a PR stunt. Open your eyes guys, this entire forum is a PR hotbed :up:

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Not because of your opinion, probably because your renewed avatar and spamming other threads with messages regarding TWKR.

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FYI my avatar has changed maybe 7 times in the last week alone, and what my new one sais is blunt and too the point, and also more importantly true.

as for 'spamming' other threads, there is a 'report post' function you can make use off, please use this to report any spam threads you may find.

but this is exactly what i was waiting on, so thanks for that, two of the people actualy getting these 'hand outs' are the two people so far telling me that i am a thread spammer, and also that i need to 'chill out'

who needs to chill? this is making the assumption that i am 'angry' or in someway had my 'nose put out of place'

as for wanting one particle, that maybe true for some people, but not me, i dont have the set up for this chip too take it where i would want to go with it, nor do i really have the time. so it would be wasted on me.

i am happy for the' chosen few' have fun and give us clocks we would all like to see,

what my point is in case it was missed last time, is that we now have a 'select' few, running a 'select' chip, that is not availible for sale, but marketed as something that is, all boxed and shiny with a brand.

we will now have maybe a fortnight of 'clocks' that are unrealistic even to a dedicated Overclocker, who has spent a lot of time and money on his set up.

this is not an ES chip, and doesnt come close, so that doesnt apply either.

and i say again, this is all about 'blowing ones trumpet', after the band has left if you like,

again have fun, but you know its all a lie

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http://www.youtube.com/user/AMDUnprocessed, a Youtube channel worth subscribing to.

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you know this sort of re-enforces my point that this is not needed, all those video's uploaded, about Overclocks and so on, and just over 1500 videos viewed? with just over 1700 subscribers?

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k.../Image1-20.jpg

and considering youtube is global, this is hardly the fan base you release a chip that is 'not for sale' it serves no purpose whatsoever, again much like the F1 tournament, there is just not a big enough market for this kind of shenanigans.

interesting to a small minority of clockers, yes, to the masses who overclock...no

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again have fun, but you know its all a lie

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/drama

once again Mr 'ive lost my Mojo' comes into a thread im on with nothing to say, other than pass judgement on what i have said.

you know whats coming mojoz, reported and now on ignore, as i have been intructed by admin to do. :up:

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this is not an ES chip, and doesnt come close, so that doesnt apply either.

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I see the TWKR as pretty much being AMD's version of the "Extreme" chips.

Only they don't consider the the people that want the fastest chip but do not ever plan on overclocking to be a demographic; since apparently the chip probably won't be any different in performance on air than a PhII 955 (965??).

twkr sounds like beaker from the muppets

I can almost see my name there... :p:

Btw, soon? http://www.techreaction.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696

we must really waiting to tomorow :D?

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1009/1/
lookie what i found


http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...stock_cpuz.jpg


http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...6-33132-sm.jpg


http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...-CPUz-6583.jpg


i'm not even going to point out the fact that they didn't insulate for :banana::banana::banana::banana: in this and everything is covered in ice :shakes:


http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...-UD5P-2-SM.jpg

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These appeared yesterday on AMD's Flickr site:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2432/...01c2a2ce5a.jpg

:up:

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Now thats a slick box..:up:
I was reading the first post and wondering if Simon was mixing Jack Daniels and Tequilla!:D

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FYI my avatar has changed maybe 7 times in the last week alone, and what my new one sais is blunt and too the point, and also more importantly true.

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So?

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as for 'spamming' other threads, there is a 'report post' function you can make use off, please use this to report any spam threads you may find.

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Why would I do that?

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but this is exactly what i was waiting on, so thanks for that, two of the people actualy getting these 'hand outs' are the two people so far telling me that i am a thread spammer, and also that i need to 'chill out'

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Am I getting one? Cool! :)

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as for wanting one particle, that maybe true for some people, but not me, i dont have the set up for this chip too take it where i would want to go with it, nor do i really have the time. so it would be wasted on me.

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That's exactly what this is all about: getting the stuff to people who have the time to push them as hard as possible. I'm really sorry for all those people who want a 4GHz stable Phenom II, but lets face it: getting a chip at 4GHz stable on air cooling is as pointless as making it run at 7GHz: it doesn't make a difference in daily computing nor does it guarantee that other people can run at that frequency as well.

Should we complain about the climate as well? People in Siberia DO have an unfair advantage, don't they.

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we will now have maybe a fortnight of 'clocks' that are unrealistic even to a dedicated Overclocker, who has spent a lot of time and money on his set up.

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Please, point me towards the dedicated overclocker who has spend thousands of dollars on Ph-II 955 chips to find the real gem. Whereas overclockers around the globe are spending rediculous amounts of money on i7 chips, almost no one buys more than 5 955's to test on LN2.

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interesting to a small minority of clockers, yes, to the masses who overclock...no

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Hwbot counts 18523 registered users. Excluding large parts of Asia. You're also forgetting 2/3 of the F1 concept.

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That's exactly what this is all about: getting the stuff to people who have the time to push them as hard as possible. I'm really sorry for all those people who want a 4GHz stable Phenom II, but lets face it: getting a chip at 4GHz stable on air cooling is as pointless as making it run at 7GHz: it doesn't make a difference in daily computing nor does it guarantee that other people can run at that frequency as well.

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http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture027341.jpg

vista 64bit to boot :rofl:

That's an ES sample.

I've heard people complain about my retail, yet sent by AMD, 4GHz on air as well.

Just rereading some of this thread and sorry to see some unhappy people.
Why does anytime a company tries to do what I'll call a 'good" thing some people get unhappy and try to find fault with it?
I can sit back and enjoy what people will do with these and I suggest that maybe some here think on that.
You don't have to have "everything" that exists to be able to enjoy the experience.

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I want to add a little more to this.
Think on the cost/benefit to the company.
They send out a 100 chips in these nice fancy boxes.
The retail cost of the cpu is what? say it's worth $300.00 based on what I see in their pricing and a little added for it being a special chip.
So they have $30,000.00 for the chips plus the cost of the labor,boxes,and shipping involved.
Call it $40,000.00 when all is said and done for the sake of picking a number.
Now, what do they get out of it?
Some exposure yes, but is it worth the $40K investment?
That's a management call.
What I see is that they incure a $40G cost to put smiles on the faces of 100 guys.
How can anyone find fault with this?
I don't care who they go to.
I just see this as a good thing for the people who get them and then also I get to watch what they do with them.
None of us lose, everyone wins and I'd just like to say Thanks to AMD for doing this.

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That's an ES sample.

I've heard people complain about my retail, yet sent by AMD, 4GHz on air as well.

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you mean like this little gem

http://img.techpowerup.org/090406/Capture003733.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/090423/0327091535.jpg

Oh I thought they were selling these chips, through legit channels that is.

Would people buy special chips direct from Intel or AMD, heck yeah they would.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1009/1/

:)

[IMG]http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...9/twker_42.jpg[/IMG]

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Will you two chill out? You can't compare Intel's single-core Netburst to AMD's quad-core Deneb, apples to oranges. TWKR is effectively an ES chip, so don't get your panties in a wad. Keep in mind we have people benching Core i7 965 D0 ES chips and unreleased 960 ES chips also. The difference here is AMD is giving these away while people pay an arm and a leg for ES chips from shady sellers breaking NDA. This is all about the fun that is overclocking and of course it is a PR stunt. Open your eyes guys, this entire forum is a PR hotbed :up:

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Well, this is more like if i7 985 would be handed out to only a few peeps, never making it to retail, and those few would start hitting 200MHz better clocks than they did with whatever they had before. 965 and 960 ES's aren't that much of a big deal when you have the Xeons.

I don't mind these "mwahahaha - you-can't-have-one-edition" PII's for their existance, it's the way they end up at the top of the charts at unbeatable frequencies and only available to a limited part of the community I don't like... If this is the norm for the future the ones at the top will be in a league of their own, with the rest being far, far behind no matter what they do. Is that what we want? I don't.

I want 1:(

If only they made 2000 of em, at least.

Also, clear pot is ftw.

cdwall: nice x4 955 ! how much volts u need to stable 4GHz with AIR?

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cdwall: nice x4 955 ! how much volts u need to stable 4GHz with AIR?

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1.45v

whau, better than TWKR :D.....

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1.45v

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He said "STABLE" prime at 4 gig would be "STABLE"

Nice video Chew, in Simons sig :)

First time I have seen that, was very good :up:

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He said "STABLE" prime at 4 gig would be "STABLE"

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that chip was prime @4ghz stable on air it was cold air but air none the less

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ok the way i read it is, we have 100 cherry picked rebranded Phenom II's that we are going to hand out to the same mob that usualy get the free hand outs.

how exciting

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TBH, you can be part of that mob too if you want... anyone can, you just have to spend hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours OC'ing and make a name for yourself.

Handing these out to just any old schmoe would be the same as having a dirt track racer from the county fair drive a car in the indy 500. It's just a waste. You have to prove your skills first, THEN you get all of the cool goodies.

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that chip was prime @4ghz stable on air it was cold air but air none the less

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Prime stable screen shots for more than a couple hours or it didn't happen.......once again misleading people.....I know for a fact it wont happen at that voltage cold air or not....

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Prime stable or it didn't happen.......once again misleading people.....

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ran it for about an hour with that clock with a window AC unit blowing on it load temps were around 35C

and if you notice i have posted everything with benchies to back it up since we had that little fallout in the DDR3 thread

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ran it for about an hour with that clock with a window AC unit blowing on it load temps were around 35C

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1 hour is not stable and screenshots ;)

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1 hour is not stable and screenshots ;)

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new you would ask that :rofl: you can have the SS's if you can figure out how to pull them off my dead corrupted SSD that is in RMA land

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new you would ask that :rofl: you can have the SS's if you can figure out how to pull them off my dead corrupted SSD that is in RMA land

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So in other words it didn't happen ;)

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So in other words it didn't happen ;)

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if thats what you want to believe your more than welcome to

ok, lets get this back on topic my friends ok?:D

next preview here
http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...n_cpu_preview/

http://www.overclockersclub.com/vima..._preview/5.jpg

Very cool video, thanks for posting! :)

A side note, Simon, are you allowed to show pics of the internals of Vince's prototype pot?

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ok the way i read it is, we have 100 cherry picked rebranded Phenom II's that we are going to hand out to the same mob that usualy get the free hand outs.

how exciting

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We still do not know the magic recipe for creating or screening processors that excel at extreme low temperatures. We continue to experiment. We have not been able to create an artificial K|ngp|n, SF3D, or chew*.

These processors have some of the electrical properties known to contribute to extended scaling at extreme temperatures. By giving these parts to people who know how to push them we learn. Look at the past 6 months. The innovation in cooling technology alone over the past six months has been staggering.

There are enough of these out there, all in good hands, that I am sure the community will be passing these around. I think there is an opportunity for those who really want one to ultimately get their hands on one.

Results will vary. At these frequencies small differences can make or break scaling and we do not know how to screen for these attributes save by the methods you have developed. These chips are out of specification processors that would have been scrapped. Now they are in the right hands.

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Very cool video, thanks for posting! :)

A side note, Simon, are you allowed to show pics of the internals of Vince's prototype pot?

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By the grace of The Chosen One it is was included in the video for all to see. I have only posted screenshots from the video.

I would muster a guess that vince is not worried as it was only a prototype and not his final revision......I'm sure he has changed it quite a few times now.

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By the grace of The Chosen One it is was included in the video for all to see. I have only posted screenshots from the video.

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Yeah, sorry, no offense meant, I just know how precautious he was about the danger of leaking pics of F1's internals.

and what is this mean in review?

Some people say that TWKR's are just early Phenom II X4 965's? True?

No. And I have to say a lot of information out there right now on 965 is not correct.

what is wrong infos about x4 965? Not 3.4GHz? Or only non BE? I dont understand this sentence

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and what is this mean in review?

Some people say that TWKR's are just early Phenom II X4 965's? True?

No. And I have to say a lot of information out there right now on 965 is not correct.

what is wrong infos about x4 965? Not 3.4GHz? Or only non BE? I dont understand this sentence

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And you won't until NDA clears on it.

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And you won't until NDA clears on it.

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A wise man once said "what is NDA? lol"

90 percent of this thread is bickering

and chew .... wow....

anyways. love the vid, love the results. keep clockin'!! also, opener for this thread; brilliant! lol

Find the full review/report from Chew* here: http://www.techreaction.net/2009/06/...sentsthe-twkr/

http://translate.google.com/translat...tate0=&swap=14 lol here at xtremesystems and all in the world ;)"popular" OBR :down: has one ...

and here next reviews:
http://hothardware.com/articles/AMD-...-Edition-TWKR/
http://www.techwarelabs.com/changing...story-of-cpus/
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha..._black_review/
http://www.tomshardware.com/pictures...enom-twkr.html

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Edit:
I want to add a little more to this.
Think on the cost/benefit to the company.
They send out a 100 chips in these nice fancy boxes.
The retail cost of the cpu is what? say it's worth $300.00 based on what I see in their pricing and a little added for it being a special chip.
So they have $30,000.00 for the chips plus the cost of the labor,boxes,and shipping involved.
Call it $40,000.00 when all is said and done for the sake of picking a number.
Now, what do they get out of it?
Some exposure yes, but is it worth the $40K investment?
That's a management call.
What I see is that they incure a $40G cost to put smiles on the faces of 100 guys.
How can anyone find fault with this?
I don't care who they go to.
I just see this as a good thing for the people who get them and then also I get to watch what they do with them.
None of us lose, everyone wins and I'd just like to say Thanks to AMD for doing this.

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Well the beauty is, that these chips would normally have been rejected. So ironically they couldn't have sold them anyway. Cost is basically those fancy boxes. Marketing benefit/$ is tremendous. Go AMD!

And for people complaining about it only going to a chosen few, who cares? I suspect many many of us here "casual overclockers" live vicariously through the hardcore ones anyway. I can't even afford a Phenom II right now in any case, but I love seeing people's results. Even if I had the $ for LN I'd rather spend it on something else and see others' results.

Edit: I might spend it on a 30" screen though :D May as well extend my triple-monitor madness to quad!

wow. a 7GHz quad core being benched... AMD definitely wins some bragging rights with this one.

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http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1009/1/
lookie what i found


i'm not even going to point out the fact that they didn't insulate for :banana::banana::banana::banana: in this and everything is covered in ice :shakes:


http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...-UD5P-2-SM.jpg

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I was the LN2 reviewer at LegitReviews. I also insulated quite well, you can't see it but the capacitors/fet, northbridge, and dimm slots are packed with vaseline. Then eraser was lid down and as you can see around the pot. This board has had this insulation job done for a couple dozen LN2 runs :up: I had a perfect seal, I just remove the pot around -192C as I was in a hurry and pulled the socket off the board. Gautam, Vapor, and myself spent only ~30 minutes "reviewing" that chip :shrug: Hit a wall around 5900 in 06 and moved on to CPU-Z.

edit: more pictures of the Gautam/Vapor/Gomeler AM3 speed session: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=3878939

what do u mean Gomeler, is here potencial in short time get 7GHz or over 7 with LHe? And KinGpins chips was too TWKR or any 955 ES?

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I was the LN2 reviewer at LegitReviews. I also insulated quite well, you can't see it but the capacitors/fet, northbridge, and dimm slots are packed with vaseline. Then eraser was lid down and as you can see around the pot. This board has had this insulation job done for a couple dozen LN2 runs :up: I had a perfect seal, I just remove the pot around -192C as I was in a hurry and pulled the socket off the board. Gautam, Vapor, and myself spent only ~30 minutes "reviewing" that chip :shrug: Hit a wall around 5900 in 06 and moved on to CPU-Z.

edit: more pictures of the Gautam/Vapor/Gomeler AM3 speed session: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=3878939

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didn't see the vaseline i feel better now :up:

and 6.5ghz in half an hour works good for me :p:

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didn't see the vaseline i feel better now :up:

and 6.5ghz in half an hour works good for me :p:

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Thanks :D

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what do u mean Gomeler, is here potencial in short time get 7GHz or over 7 with LHe? And KinGpins chips was too TWKR or any 955 ES?

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I tested Vince's chip in a short 10 minute session(probably 6 minutes to pull the pot down) and his was ~100MHz better than mine through 3D06. I suspect with more tweaking he'll be able to run 06 at 6100-6200 on LN2 but he won't see 7GHz on LHe. This chip is nothing like the chip that hit 6.9 on LHe in Austin. My chip was the worst of the Austin chips and I was doing 3D06 at 6250 all day long.

one positive in this is the ability to debate this without it decending into some kind free for all, for that i am happy.

i also agree with movieman to the extent, that maybe we should sit back and let people enjoy thier chips, at the expense of a company,

this is a much wider debate, that can be adressed again, so i am out of the thread.

enjoy your chips guys :up:

edit sry: i swear i am out after this,

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Thanks :D

I tested Vince's chip in a short 10 minute session(probably 6 minutes to pull the pot down) and his was ~100MHz better than mine through 3D06. I suspect with more tweaking he'll be able to run 06 at 6100-6200 on LN2 but he won't see 7GHz on LHe. This chip is nothing like the chip that hit 6.9 on LHe in Austin. My chip was the worst of the Austin chips and I was doing 3D06 at 6250 all day long.

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so these are chips that would have been apparently 'rejected' that are not anywhere near as good as the 'austin chips' (in gomelers opinion), so what are we seeing here? i am really confused now.

did someone just knock this idea up in a shed somewhere, get themselves some boxes from ikea, and spraypaint them with some stencils? when in fact in reality they sgould have been thrown in the bin as fails?

if that is the case, then this would be totaly ironic

Not that it matters but does anyone have a clue why AMD decided on 2ghz for the default on these chips?

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Not that it matters but does anyone have a clue why AMD decided on 2ghz for the default on these chips?

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Probably because it helped the naming.

I was a bit surprised to se Overclocker Club's review done on only dice...

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Originally Posted by soundood

one positive in this is the ability to debate this without it decending into some kind free for all, for that i am happy.

i also agree with movieman to the extent, that maybe we should sit back and let people enjoy thier chips, at the expense of a company,

this is a much wider debate, that can be adressed again, so i am out of the thread.

enjoy your chips guys :up:

edit sry: i swear i am out after this,



so these are chips that would have been apparently 'rejected' that are not anywhere near as good as the 'austin chips' (in gomelers opinion), so what are we seeing here? i am really confused now.

did someone just knock this idea up in a shed somewhere, get themselves some boxes from ikea, and spraypaint them with some stencils? when in fact in reality they sgould have been thrown in the bin as fails?

if that is the case, then this would be totaly ironic

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These aren't rejects. Most of them require 1.13v to 1.17v for 3.2GHz(955 speeds) and clock slightly better than retail. The chips in Austin were exceptional, not sure how they came across them but there were only 4 chips. Compare that to somewhere between 100 and 200 TWKRs, naturally the TWKRs aren't going to be the absolute cream of the crop.

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Not that it matters but does anyone have a clue why AMD decided on 2ghz for the default on these chips?

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Default doesn't matter. This isn't a retail chip and 42 with the play on Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy sounds better than 432, 434, or 436, all possible frequencies with acceptable volts.

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Probably because it helped the naming.

I was a bit surprised to se Overclocker Club's review done on only dice...

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Not everyone has access to LN2.

I would like to see one of these bad boys under my cascade ;)

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I would like to see one of these bad boys under my cascade ;)

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I think I can make that happen.......let me get permission first....

No posting results on the bot with this chip though....

You have an AM3 board? preferably not the MSI. I would like it back alive.

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I would like to see one of these bad boys under my cascade ;)

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You'll only get 5.2-5.3 bench stable, I tried :( Just not cold enough.

so these where knocked together in someones shed, with a screen printer and some boxes from Ikea,

this is starting to sound like a practical joke, hype up some random chips, with some shiny boxes, and then they wont clock higher than we have seen before?

so please please tell me the point of this whole exercise? because the way i see it, a lot of peeps are wasting money on kit and Ln2, trying to achieve something that has already been achieved,

without a snowballs chance in hell of getting above any previous 'records'

ho ho i got a great idea, ill be back soon with it, lol

Soundood.

First you're complaining about only a few people getting super samples and now you're complaining that they're no super samples after all? Are you complaining for the sake of it or what's your opinion really?

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Originally Posted by soundood

so these where knocked together in someones shed, with a screen printer and some boxes from Ikea,

this is starting to sound like a practical joke, hype up some random chips, with some shiny boxes, and then they wont clock higher than we have seen before?

so please please tell me the point of this whole exercise? because the way i see it, a lot of peeps are wasting money on kit and Ln2, trying to achieve something that has already been achieved,

without a snowballs chance in hell of getting above any previous 'records'

ho ho i got a great idea, ill be back soon with it, lol

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Have you benched a Phenom II X4 and a TWKR yet? I don't think you are reading anything, the TWKR is a slightly better bin than the average 955. Don't get it in your head that the freak 955 Chew* has is normal, his is way out in left field and he's spent days tweaking it. Playing with a TWKR is not a waste of time and if you are expecting 4.5GHz 24/7 stable then you have no idea how much the manufacturing process and design come into play. AMD's manufacturing process has created chips that scale with temperature, Intel's process has created chips that scale with voltage and modestly with temperature.

I thought you were self declared out of this thread?

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You'll only get 5.2-5.3 bench stable, I tried :( Just not cold enough.

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Gomeler I have 5 pots from vince and full access to LN2 with 50L Taylor Wharton Dewar. I can go as cold as LN2 will take me :)

I just love the Cascade these days, it's so much easyer and been having a lot of fun with it. Can't tell you how much I have saved in LN2 costs over the past several weeks, but I haven't gotten the power bill yet LOL !

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I thought you were self declared out of this thread?

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no i am out on the serious debate front, which as i said is a bigger issue, but i am here for humour (if i can find any)

the point remains, these chips are not going to do much we havent already seen, regardless of marketing, on that note i think they should have been branded this way (forgive photchop skills)

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...fullimage2.jpg

please please someone tell me you find this funny, even a slight smile will do !!!

I implore you to show me 955 results better?

Oh wait....most of the best 955 results are mine.....and this chip bested it in the same hands.

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I implore you to show me 955 results better?

Oh wait....most of the best 955 results are mine.....and this chip bested it in the same hands.

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i think i already complemented you and pointed that one out somewhere lol

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http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...fullimage2.jpg

please please someone tell me you find this funny, even a slight smile will do !!!

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^did not get me to laugh

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I implore you to show me 955 results better?

Oh wait....most of the best 955 results are mine.....and this chip bested it in the same hands.

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^did get me to laugh

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Soundood.

First you're complaining about only a few people getting super samples and now you're complaining that they're no super samples after all? Are you complaining for the sake of it or what's your opinion really?

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ok my main point was the reasoning behind selecting a few 'not for sale' chips and handing them out to a select few, for benching, this is a discussion i have now dropped, as i agree with movieman in the sense, i dont want to rain on the parade (too much)

since that drop in discussion, i have since learned (due to results coming in) that these are not in fact anything to shout about, and i find that quite funny. Why you ask? well the hype that has surrounded these chips has been quite fantastic, albeit hype, but marketing hype none the less.

so it sort of re-inforces my first point (with humour) that these chips where pointless to begin with. we are now seeing the same old clocks macci pulled out at the start of the year, this is nothing new. hell k|ngp|n has got a higher clock with a non 'TWKR'

so please dont think i am being flippant, although i dont understand how you would see that, i am merely holding back on the serious stuff, and trying to have fun with the reality that these chips dont really clock that well, considering what they are hyped to be.

ok i promise, i am out now, i will leave you guys to be outstanded by these TWKR's, have fun :up:

Kingpin was also on LHe?

or did you forget that little detail?

In austin I hit 6634......on unlimited ln2.......at my home on TWKR I hit 6603......on 30L LN2

how is that so bad?

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i think i already complemented you and pointed that one out somewhere lol

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Heh that was directed at sound dood....as he seems to think 955's are in the same league....