I've used bios 0404 and now 0504 (lastest bios)Quote:
Originally Posted by stepinrazor
older bios detect the cpu "guenine intel..."
I've used bios 0404 and now 0504 (lastest bios)Quote:
Originally Posted by stepinrazor
older bios detect the cpu "guenine intel..."
i got my black pearl about 2 weeks ago... no problems at all... im even using 3 western digital drives... 2 320aaks and a raptor... posts up to 527 fsb w/ a 6 multi... great board...
Quote:
Originally Posted by benniebeeker
hey there, how did you get yours past 500? i'm having problems poSting @ fsb speeds above 495. mind sharing your bios settings? thnx
Mines posted at 520 but dint get to windows,it do 500 benchable with my chip tho'.
posts but doesn't boot... but yes i will share my settings when i get home tonight...Quote:
Originally Posted by dingmel
ic. i'm able to boot at speeds up to 4.05g as long as my fsb doesn't go over 495, 495 seems to be the proc's fsb wall.. prolly explains why it refuses to boot at any higher a fsb.Quote:
Originally Posted by benniebeeker
Finally got my E8200 reasonably stable at 525x8 (12 hours Orthos), but it takes quite a lot of voltage... Here are the settings I'm using:
BIOS: 0504
FSB Strap: Auto (found forcing 400 to reduce stability if anything)
Mem: 1:1
Static read control: Disabled
Transaction booster: Enabled-0 (Disabled-Relax-3 which is the lowest setting did not help max post fsb and I saw a review of the mobo that found Enabled >0 didn't help performance much)
vCore: 1.475 (gives actual 1.44v under load with 0.61x GTL, within Intel safety limits!)
vMem: 2.35 (obviously depends on your RAM)
vNB: 1.70 (bit high perhaps, but doesn't seem to get hot...)
FSB Termination: 1.3 (this helped max post fsb and stability)
CPU PLL: Auto (setting higher didn't seem to help max post fsb or stability)
CPU GTL: 0.61x
NB GTL: 0.61x (lowering these GTLs from 0.63x/0.67x stabilised the system at 525x8 with the rest of the settings above)
Highest post I got was 545, but that was barely stable enough to run the bios!
My old E6550 would post 515, but was unstable at anything above 500. Didn't push it quite as hard as this one though.
The board really seems to struggle above 500, which is a bit disappointing tbh as even a P5K vanilla can do that. I doubt it's my processor holding me back and I know it's not the RAM... The NB is rock solid at 500 with 1.40v, but needs 1.55v for 510 and 1.70v to do 525 properly, surely an indication of it struggling?
I might try 0404 to see if there's any difference, I know some people have had better luck with RAM on it and mine's not doing too well (for D9GMH) on that front.
been running mine at the settings in my sig for a few months now, and the board has been nothing short of amazing. No double boot, no problems with my WD 250g SE. Love this board, and I plan on running it until the really good X48's come out. The Foxconn Black Ops looks too be a a beast. But that's another story...
I'm gonna give x48 a miss and wait and see whats next,i'm getting sick of changing boards every 5 mins.
I'm running a brand new board...stuck @ pci-express 1x. I bet i'm the only one with this bug ?
Try to adjust the NB voltage. Set it to something other than "AUTO" or the highest numerical value. Also try to set the PCI-E freq to a value instead of AUTO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
tried already, no luck :(
This was posted on the NCIX forums - sound plausible. Worth trying a non G92 card and see if it run 16x. If so it appears to be a combo of your PSU and the G92.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
'Problem has been solved.This person was having problems with his Antec psu and Antec say they have addressed the problem and have revised units."Okay a little more info... apparently it is a timing issue, when your computer first turns on the PSU sends power down each line and then backs off waiting for the computer to start the boot process. With the G92 cards they are expecting to see this at a different time than when they are actually getting the signal and it causes them to think they are underpowered so they clock themselves back"
If that doesnt work there is also this specific thread on it with suggestions. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=159176
thanks a lot for the infoQuote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
I've found that @ load default bios i'm running 16X but the moment i change my clock, stuck at 1x
the psu and all the other hardware were all perfect with my previous premium (died last week during a bios downgrade)
edit : everthing over 399fsb = pci-e 1x
vnb = auto to 1.55 (over that = no boot)
Any joy with increasing PCI-E upto 118 as per the previous link suggestions. Seemed to fix it for a lot of people with the same problem. http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/3-post3.html . He also later states that in his forum that it can be lowered to to 100-101 after the PCI-E is back at 16x. I read all his MB tests as they are very good for information on MB quirks. Intrested to know in case I ever encounter it-lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
Hi,
I got tired of my P5B deluxe unable to be fully stable with my quadcore above 390 FSB, so I chose to buy the P5K premium today.
I got it, it is a v2.00G, hope solving many issues (I'll post back)
My problem is:
I just removed the stock heatpipe from the ASUS P5K Premium.
I replaced the NB and PWM heatsinks with a HR-05 IFX and two HR-09 type 2 heatsinks. Now, I need a heatsink for my southbridge.
I got a Zalman ZM-NB47J, but hey, it won't go with the long and double slot 8800 GTS 512 VGA card. I can't find any low profile (really low, as the original) heatsink for that SB. Any help would be really appreciated
I know there's the HR-05 IFX-SLI that would fit, but cooling my SB with such an expensive cooler is a no go for me
Hy,Quote:
Originally Posted by brenanh
an information what is your bios configuration voltagge for 4Ghz ?
I have an E8400.
For overclock stability is better cpu voltagge ref 0,63 or 0,57 ?
clock over changing mode is better 700, 800, 900 or 1000mV ?
Grazie :)
I am also looking for a template from someone that has an E8400, but need settings for 4X1GB of D9 GMH.
Seem to be having a tough time getting 8x500 stable, which is my target OC for my HTPC. The chip does 4050 Mhz on my DFI with 1.265v. So I know I can get the Proc stable at low voltage, so it must be RAM releated.
Thanks in advance for any help :)
Edit: Put the new Zipang on the P5K premo, thought I should post a pic :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DSC_0022-1.jpg
Stick the stock heatsink back on with some mx-2 or equivalant non conductive paste - the SB doesnt need any additional cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
You mean I don't need the HR-05 IFX and the two HR-09 type 2 on the NB and mosfets?Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
I'm planning to overclock my Q6600 and RAM at a high FSB, so wondering if the NB and mosfets won't heat too much with stock cooler.
At worst, I'll cut the Zalman in height and stick it on the SB
The heatsink supplied as standard is suffiecient - SB can only raise it to 1.2v and it doesnt get hot. Better mofsets and NB HS wont do any harm but I think you will find that all on this thread are attempting or are running high FSB on this MB and mainly using the stock cooling setup - reseating with better quality thermal paste is about all I would do and maybe stick a 40mm fan on top of the NB. I didnt bother though - It overclocks very nicely with the stock setup and temps are fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
I have the P5K-P rig listed in my sig and cannot get 4X1GB stable at all. I quickly removed the OCZ as they are older sticks to see if they were bad, but same errors in Memtset X86.
I have treid NB voltages up to 1.7v, Vdimm voltages upt to 2.25, relaxing to 3, 500x8 and 445x9 and memory speeds from 800 to 1067 with every timing I can think. I am on 0504 and thinking about downgrading to 0404.
Looking for a target OC of 4.0ghz on the Proc and I would like to be over 900 Mhz on my ram unless I can get tight timings. Anyone with successfull 4x1G settings would be helping me out bigtime if they posted a template for me to work from. Seems like I am getting nowhere with my approach, which makes me wonder if it is GTL releated as I banged into wall after wall with this chip in the DFI P35-T2R.
What I found to work OK was
8x500 and DDR2 1000, 5-5-5-15-5-42-7-4-4
I relaxed to 2
CPU Vcore 1.2875
Dram 2.15
NB 1.55
GTL's set to x61%
But I cannot pass 32M of Prime and it usually crashes the program rather than getting an error in round or the like. And same thing happens at 9x445...
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
start with vcore 1.35v (lower it if it's stable)
vdimm at 2-2.2v (ram 1:1)
load line enabled
dram static read control disable
strap auto
cpu/pci-e spectrum auto
everything (SB, NB, GTL... at auto)
So the plot thickens...
I have tried every voltage adjustment I can think of trying upto and including 1.4Vcore and Dram upto 2.3v and still cannot get through a 32m run od Pi. I have removed one set of GMh and ran my Ballistix that are good past 1200Mhz @ less than 900Mhz. Still no luck....
Last things I can think of is my OS is corrupted somehow, or my Raptor is the culprit. Does anyone think it could be my Raptor 150? I know these boards arent supposed to like them, but I am running out of ideas :confused:
Many thanks for your advice. In fact, it was a pain in the a55 to remove the stock cooler, and a much bigger pain to put the HR-05 IFX. The holes for the push pins are not secured like on my P5B deluxe, there are small electronic circuits less than 1mm from the holes :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Also, the NB is too close to the RAM banks and PCI-E port, so the HR-05 wont fit unless in a diagonal way. Hopefully I'm on water with a low profile WB, otherwise, no way to cool the NB with the IFX and put a heatsink on the CPU :mad:
The DDR2 banks are also too close to the PCI-E slot: no way to mount a RAM cooler without some modding :shakes:
Finally, the SATA ports are really misplaced: in the way of the PCI-E slot. My 8800 GTS 512 is too long and will cover the SATA ports 1&2. You need an angular SATA cable on these two ports to fit. So, the angle will cover SATA 3&4 ports rendered useless :shrug:
The CD-analog input is in the path of my 8800 GTS 512 (double slot): it has to be removed or the mb could broke
And, to continue, teh PCI-E slot has a low design, that is, it is a bit more near to the MB edge than on my P5B deluxe. Reseating my pump on the case bottom was a tough thing
The layout is the worst I ever saw in a motherboard
Put you some shots later
Have you tried going reverting to BIOS 0404 yet. 0504 seems to have some RAM issues from what I have read - see comments from TinTin page 23. .Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
All true but it overclocks great -lol! For future note - if you want to remove stock cooler or any other stock heatsinks from motherboards the small end of a click type pen barrel will fit over and compress the pin connectors just right to pull them out without any damage. No long nose pliers- no damage- nice and easy- lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
Just wondered if someone could give be a little advice please?
I’ve just started overclocking my new P5K prem and would just like to make sure I’ve set the right BIOS settings.
I’ve followed the advice given in this thread, but the area I’m unsure about is the FSB Strap to North Bridge and the DRAM Frequency.
I’ve got the FSB Strap to North Bridge set to Auto. Is this OK?
I’ve got the DRAM Frequency set to DDR2-720MHz. Is this OK?
I’ve just tested a 9 x 344 FSB 3.0 GHz stable OK with my E6600 and OCZ Flex 6400. But I would like to get a stable 9 x 400 FSB 3.6GHz
Does the DRAM set at 720MHz = 1-1 ?
Why is there not a 800MHz setting in the DRAM Frequency ?
My BIOS is 0204
Would a BIOS update give me better overclocking options, if so which one would you recommend?
I use 0404 and its very stable - if you want to update use ezflash and usb stick. Do not use asus update.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladderman
Heres an overclocking guide if you havent done much o/c before http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overc...beginners.html read that then the P5K add on http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overc...s-p5k-add.html
Whatever your memory is happy running at - 720 is underclocked for 6400memory. DRAM will be showing you all available options with strap set at auto. it will show all dram options based on available ratios of your current FSB setting. e.g 1:1,2:3,4:5,5:6 etc. You want DDR800 then set FSB to 266(2:3) ,333(5:6) or 400(1:1) -last is best for optimum performance of 3.6CPU(400x9) with memory running rated speed DDR800(2xFSB) but remember your E6600 might not be capable of achieveing 3.6 stable. Its an old chip and 3.6 used to be the top end for a lot on air with anything from 1.45 -1.55v
Many thanks for your swift response.:up:
I’ll try setting the Strap 400 (1:1) then do some stability tests with Super Pi and Orthos at 9 x 334 FSB. If it handles the tests ok I’ll move the FSB up in 10s to see if I can get near 3.6.
My rig is fully Liquidcooled so I should have good room with the temps for the CPU.
What would you say was a safe max temp and Vcore for the CPU?
I’ll have a good read through those links.
FSB strap and FSB frequency determine available DRAM frequency. Leave the strap on auto and raise FSB it will show you all available DRAM frequencies in the BIOS. I used to run my E6600 on a P5W with 1.5v @ 3.6 - temps were idle 48c load(prime) 62c with an Artic cooler 7 pro. On air no more than 1.55v -on water your choice if the tempos are okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladderman
Temp guide http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/...perature-guide
Got som rater odd Speedfan readings (temps & voltage). Anyone having this as well? Coretemp seems reasonable (idle in cold room), same as reporter by both Everest and CoreTemp.
http://www.home.no/rogerh99/P5KPremium/Speedfan.png
That looks like an old version of speedfan - Try pc wizard 2008 for accurate temps http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php Minimise for screen display or download latest beta speedfan if thats your preferance.http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...SpeedFan.shtml
I can’t thank you enough for your help.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
That’s a great guide for guys like me who are still trying to understand the basics of DRAM timing ratios and other aspects of overclocking.
I had just read through the section explaining DRAM ratios and now I understand how to keep my timing (1:1).
I’ve set my Strap to Auto and my DRAM is raising (1:1) with the FSB.
My temps look pretty good so far, I’m using Core Temp 0.95
I’ve tested 9 x 360 with a Vcore 1.35, idle temp 22c. (Ambient temp 22.7c)
Under load with Orthos for 1 hour 40c.
I’ll run Orthos overnight, if everything ok I’ll keep upping the FSB.
Should I stay with BIOS 0204 until I hit a wall, or update now?
No probs - that what the forums are for. Say thanks to Clunk who produced the guides If I start giving you duff advice some who knows better will step in- lol!. I woudln't bother updating BIOS if you find it all goes okay. The later ones are mainly for later model CPU and resolving an ICH9R SATA II AHCI/RAID compatability that some boards were having. You are probably better just to make sure you have all the latest drivers and chipset update. If you do decide to update I would go with 0404 .If you are thinking of using Intel matrix RAID check this out - http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=467848 its worth a go just for the fun of seeing the R/W speeds plus you get some resilience. .Try PC wizard 2008 - i just posted the link. I am a great fan of it for monitoring temps. Its really neat when you minimise it and it gives as much info as everest when expanded.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladderman
I am at wits end.
This thing isnt even stable at stock speeds. I have tried 3 sets of RAM and they all pass memtestX86 V2.0, but I cannot pass any stablity such as SuperPi/orthos/Prime/OCCT.
Gonna try a reload of Windows on a Seagate drive, then if no luck I will pitch it in a snowbank because I know what Asus RMA's are like.
Edit: I cannot seem to revert to 404 becasue I am on VistaX64. TinTin's method wont work for me :(
Edit#2: Reloaded Vista on a Seagate drive at stock and ran SuperPI on a bare install and it passed... More info on the way.
Nope sorry, it is a pile of crap.... cant get stable at 4.0Ghz that a baby could get stable on a DFI....
Odd - the e8400 should fly on this MB. I was thinking of getting one to play with. I take you have checked all the MB power connections, CPU seating , MB mounted on standoffs okay etc. Here my settings for a q6600 @3.6 with 4x1GB ballistix which are 100% prime stable if its of any help. I used basically the same for an E6850 running at 4.0Ghz with more Vcore and 9x450.Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
AI Overclocking: Manual
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1128
DRAM Command Rate: 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
RAS# Precharge:4
RAS# Activate to Precharge:9
TWR: 3
TRFC: 30
TWTR: 3
TRRD: 3
TRTP: 8
DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
Transaction Booster: AUTO
Clock Over-Charging Mode: AUTO
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Voltage: 1.4125
CPU Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU Voltage Damper: Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.6
DRAM Voltage: 2.2
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.4
North Bridge Voltage: 1.40
North Bridge Voltage Reference: AUTO
South Bridge Voltage: AUTO
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Suppport: disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
PECI: Disabled
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support: Enabled
I want to tweak my voltages so I can try to gradually move up to a 9 x400 FSB
The two settings I would like some advice on is the CPU PLL Voltage and the FSB Termination Voltage.
What are the safe max volts for these two settings?
Is the CPU PLL Voltage just beneficial to quad core CPU’s?
To get a stable 9x370 FSB I’ve moved my CPU Voltage to 1.43750v, CPU PLL Voltage to1.50v, and my FSB Termination Voltage 1.30v.
Idle Temp is 24c, and under full load 45c
BIOS Settings
AI Overclocking [Manual]
CPU Ratio Control [Manual]
Ratio CMOS Setting [9]
FSB Frequency [370]
PCI-E Frequency [100]
DRAM Frequency [DDR2-740MHz]
DRAM Timing Control [1T]
CAS# Latency [4]
RAS# to CAS# Dela [4]
RAS# Precharge [4]
RAS# Activate to Precharge [15]
TWR [AUTO]
TRFC [AUTO]
TWTR [AUTO]
TRRD [AUTO]
TRTP ]AUTO]
DRAM Static Read Control [Disabled]
Transaction Booster [AUTO]
Clock Over-Charging Mode [AUTO]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
CPU Voltage [1.43750v]
CPU Voltage Reference [AUTO]
CPU Voltage Damper [Enabled]
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50v]
DRAM Voltage [2.05v]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.30v]
North Bridge Voltage [1.40v]
North Bridge Voltage Ref [ AUTO]
South Bridge Voltage [AUTO]
This link http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3156&p=4 for Asus P5E3 BIOS tweaking gives a detailed explanation of what ithe BIOS settings are for. Most are the same/similar to this BIOS - ignore the non relavant ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladderman
For now Change PLL to auto and leave FSB =1.3. Your temps look very nice - my E6600 idled on 46c-48c on air at 3.6 with 1.5v!. Jump in and try going straight to 3.6 with 1.475v - 1.5v vcore 9*400. If stable reduce vcore incrementaly downward until you find lowest stable vcore. The E6600 nearly always needed somewhere between 1.45-1.5v for 3.6 stable.
You are safer running DDR2 memory at 2T until you are stable - once prime stable you can play with command rate if you want.
Hi im looking at this board to run with my QX9650 will it clock better than the Asus Maximus Formula Intel X38 ?
Yet another great link.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
I'll do as you advise, and post results tomorrow.
many thanks
This is my first attempt at overclocking, and I have to tell you this board is great.Quote:
Originally Posted by clone38
I’ve not had any Sata issues and I’m close to getting a rock solid 3.6 GHz out of my E6600.
Dont know - its early days with that CPU. These guys are having fun with it - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=165636Quote:
Originally Posted by clone38
I am sure it will clock fine on this board as it was built to support them. From what I have read the x38/X48 MB may offer a little better o/c capability but not much( if any!) - DDR3 needed for any real performance difference. There main benefit going x38 would apprear to be for running crossfire and PCI-E 2.0. The maximus also seems a little quirky! I suggest you read up on the maximus threads and make your own decision.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=168119
http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/revie...ng-review.html
I agree, I chose the P5K P for that reason. After reading through Gigabyte/ASUS X38 boards, including the P5E, it looks like there are many issues with overclocking stability and memory deviders. The P35 looks to be more stable if you read those threads. At least, the P5K thread is about many issues, but not OC problems, while X38 threads are only full of OC and stability issuesQuote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Thanks Sesdave. I appreciate your help M8.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
The origianal problem was the Raptor, but after working on this problem so long I should have walked away for a day and get back to a normal state of mind, would have saved me alittle sanity. It turned out to be Static Read Control that was the issue. I must have done a clear Cmos and forgot to disable it again. Worst thing about it was that it was reacting exactly like it was with the Raptor issue.
Still not out of the woods yet, I have to get 4GB working and lower voltages, but I passed 6hours prime @ 4ghz, so I think I am OK:)
THanks!
hey success - perseverance pays :clap: 6 hours would do me - I was never one for 24/7 prime. As long as I can play games at the settings I am usually happy. Its a nice board once the initial frustrations disapate -lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
I run with DRAM static=Enabled (not auto as wrongly posted - I must have been tired!). Enabling DRAM Static Read Control increases the memory controller performance - You may find this article of interest http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mai...overclock.html its for a p5K deluxe test but it is relevant information as it very similar. It has a few comments re DRAM static with the recommendation that it should be set to enabled . Interesting stuff. But to be fair I didnt notice a lot of difference when I had it disabled - I probably just cant push this MB hard enough with my q6600-lol!
Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Wow. I get stable and put in another 2GB of RAM and no luck, so I say "Screw it, I will go back to 2GB and try 4GB again some other day" and now I cant get stable again. I think my board is bugged.
Odd thing is in a 32M run of SuperPI it always dies at 12 iterations...
Soooo frustrated....
when you cleared CMOS you did remember to reset memory remap of course. What slots is it in - you tried the black ones. The gskill memory you have does seem to be getting some indifferent write ups and I bet the 0504 BIOS wont be helping. Does the board work stable with 2x1 gb sticks?Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
It seems memory remap is always on by default, but I double checked and is enabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
I have the Ballistix in the Yellow slots ATM, as I did on the stable run. I will try the blck slots next. I have not tried the 2x2GB kit sice the Raptor was removed, want to keep them in the main rig.
I think I might risk going back to 0404, even tho many boards have fallen by the hands of that.
Damon , those black slots will give u better Overclock , probbly because of the higher drive strenght( some said higher drive strenght can actually damage RAM )just like on the Deluxe since the premium is based on the Deluxe it will be the same, it was said by a Asus tech, and confirmed by myself and many others
Tired Black slots and lowering to 3.6Ghz and 1Ghz ram loose as loose timings and way more than enough voltage for everything. Hell, I even tried a new SATA cable. thing is hooped
still no luck with the Premium ? :(
edit : you can downgrade with Asus update 61002 (see u on msn later, will explain)
Thanks Simon ;)
Update: Found ou tthat I can run any stablility test I want and pass, except SuperPI. Never heard of that in my life. I mean, unstable is as unstable does... I am truely puzzled.
Last think I can think of is a downgrade and see what happens...
Hope you work it out - I just remebered that I previously bought 2x2GB 6400 Gskill PQs when they first came out. I couldn't get them to run at even DDR800 on a P5W nor a P5K deluxe so I RMA'd them and got 4x1GB Ballistix. I also sometimes find that superpi 1.5 fails to run although I run prime95 and anything else with no problem.S ometimes it executes but fails straight away on 1MB run . Subsequent runs are normally fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
Warning - if you do decide to try an reflash with new Asus update remeber to load optimal setting beforehand. I am very wary of using asus update as I killed my p5k deluxe with it as the BIOS flash failed to verify after erasing EEPROM but I had left the overclock setting applied - still I then got to buy the Premium after RMA so it worked out well for me. Other not so lucky! Still you dont seem to have the choice of using EZFLASH and USB stick if you want to regress so best of luck.
It looks like my CPU has hit a wall at 3.4 GHz.
I was fully stable at 9x370, but when I moved up to 9x400, I pasted Super pi 32m OK, but would not get past 2seconds in Orthos. I upped my Vcore to 1.55v, and tweaked some of the other settings but still had no look.
I moved back down in tens, but I had the same problems until 3.4 GHz
Anyway I dropped to 8x425 3.4GHz and stress tested fine, so I think I’ll stay at this because my components are not top end overclocking parts. I’m still really happy with my results though.
I’ve just built a test station, so when I can afford a better CPU and faster ram I’ll build a dedicated bench rig.
Still think this is a great board.
Just like to say a big thank you to sesdave for the advice and links.:up:
BIOS Settings
AI Overclocking [Manual]
CPU Ratio Control [Manual]
Ratio CMOS Setting [8]
FSB Frequency [425]
PCI-E Frequency [100]
DRAM Frequency [DDR2-850MHz]
DRAM Timing Control [2T]
CAS# Latency [4]
RAS# to CAS# Dela [4]
RAS# Precharge [4]
RAS# Activate to Precharg [15]
TWR [AUTO]
TRFC [AUTO]
TWTR [AUTO]
TRRD [AUTO]
TRTP [AUTO]
DRAM Static Read Control [Disabled]
Transaction Booster [AUTO]
Clock Over-Charging Mode [AUTO]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
CPU Voltage [1.4750v]
CPU Voltage Reference [AUTO]
CPU Voltage Damper [Enabled]
CPU PLL Voltage [AUTO]
DRAM Voltage [2.10v]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.30v]
North Bridge Voltage [1.40v]
North Bridge Voltage Ref [ AUTO]
South Bridge Voltage [AUTO]
My D9GMH wasn't very stable with 0504 either (wouldn't run memtest even at 900/c4/2.4v but fine on another board)... Unfortunately downgrading to 0404 killed the board! :mad:
try seeing if you can up it with PLL=1.6.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladderman
I have an E6850 I bought late July last year and used it for 1 month before moving to q6600. Does 3.6 on stock volts on this board. I have a prime run somewhere unless it got deleted in one of my many reinstalls. They joy of vista x64-lol! Let you have it for half what I paid if you want it- drop me a PM if you are interested.
Thanks for the offer, but I’ve just bought this old thirties semi, that needs totally renovating and every penny I own has had to go in to that. When I say renovating I mean it too, there are 20 windows to replace. It’s needs a complete central heating system because the old lady (God bless her) who owned it never had it put in, and to make maters worse I have to have a new gas pip laid up the drive too for the supply.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
It’s never had a kitchen fitted, in fact I don’t think anything has been done too this house since the day it was built. Mind you I love getting my hands on old properties because they are full of so much character.
This old place had masses of interest when it went up for sale because of it’s location, my next-door neighbour is a Judge. lol
One good thing though, I’m making the garage in to a workshop, so I’ll be able to do loads of case modding and bench testing amongst other things.
So it’s going to be quite some time before I’ll have any spare cash for my hobbies.:(
PC modding to house modding - I must try that - its got to be less frustrating than this :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by ladderman
Hi,
Just played today with the board. I'm impressed.
In the first run, everything set to manual on lowest setting, it fired up my Q6600 at 9x400 Prime95 Small FFT and finally OCCT RAM stable (this one is very hard to get stable on high FSB and Fast memory with a quad core as it stresses the RAM-NB much).
I than, played with it about 2h and I'm running smooth 3.8GHz (8x475) so far Prime95 Small FFT and OCCT RAM stable, both for 2h each. This MB is impressing. When I read through the Maximus topic and all other X38 boards people fighting to get it stable at 9x400, I just :rofl:
Above 3.8GHz, my Q6600 needs 0.05v increase for just 25MHz more speed, so worthless as the temperatures are already high for my setup
I'll target now full stability with 12h runs of Prime95 and OCCT in RAM mode. When done, I'll tighten the RAM timings and play with Static Read Control and Transaction Booster. Once done, I'll post my results with tons of photos.
By the way, the P5K Premium runs much cooler than my P5B Deluxe, but for this OC my board is already at 47°C with an OCZ RAM Cooler and an HR-05 IFX with a 80mm FAN at 5v on the NB, so it was usefull to change the stock cooling
I also run my Samsung HD, an SATAII 160Gb flawlessly. It looks like the problems are with new high capacity disks (above 250Gb)
And finally, many thanks for all of you, especially Sesdave for posting your setup and OC settings that helped me much to start with
Back soon with a full imaged review
Only regret: I lost so many months trying to get my P5B deluxe stable while I did 250Mhz better clocks on this one in a couple of hours, it rocks :up:
Your not meant to go straight in an overclock higher than my old CPU ;) whats current vcore and temps with that nice water setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
I used to have ap5b-dlx b4 this p5k-prem.On my p5b i got my E6300 to 3.9ghz,which was nice,and never had any problems with it at all.The most i've had out of this E6750 is 4ghz(500fsb).It will post at 520fsb but no windows,for some reason,even if i go up to 1.6vcore.Maybe theres some of the other settings i need to tweak but i dont know.As far as i'm concerned,the p5k-prem is a pretty decent reliable board.
I'm still digging mine. Out of all of the boards that I've owned this one has stayed in my machine the longest. my G0 6600 is a bit of a pig on volts, but it's been at 3.825ghz since the day I dropped in the machine and hasn't let me down yet. I think that reason for it's success with me, is that I stayed at the 0204 bios which is what it was boxed with.
I tested both 9x423 and 8x475. Both are very easy to get stable on this board. I have a good CPU doing the exploit at 1.4375v in bios (1.432 load). Temperatures are rather high though (66°C on hottest core, 59°C on lowest despite lapping it two times till 1000 Grift). Those are Prime95 Small FFT for some hours, but at 24°C-25°C ambiant (closed window so that in summer I don't have very bad surprises)Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
I did Everest, Sandra and 3DMark06 full suite of benching to see which is best between 9x423 and 8x475 at varrying memory timings. 8x475 looks like a nice target. It has a little slower memory (950 instead of 1116), but it can handle 4-4-4-10 timings with Static Read Control enabled, at lower volts (testing 2.20v while 1116 needs 2.30v for worst timings). Everest and Sandra benchmarks show an impressive boost with static read control enabled.
I trust only OCCT in RAM mode for RAM stability tests and Prime95 Small FFT for the CPU. Later, I stabilize it with some 12h of F@H, some Sandra, Everest and other benches. Unlike many people here, I look for a rock stable system, not a benching flaky one.
Soon, I'll post a full review with all my benching performance marks.
I opted for 0504 bios, looks enough stable for me as I'm limited by the CPU heat. My memory is clocking where I like it too, far above its references, at least latency wise. What are your temperatures at full load with small FFT? And at what ambiant temperature?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
This q6600 is a very early version, L723B509 too be exact so it's 1.275v stock. It takes a sh1te load of v's to get it above 3.6ghz so my small fft temps cruise at around 60C. My ambient is high actually, around 23C...when it's a nice 20C, my load temps directly reflect that difference by 3C. Right now, I'm idling at 34C, but it's super cold out so the heat is cranked.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
Looks like it's where water will push us. It is really interesting how the temperature/vcore/frequency relation went with the last Q6600 G0 chips. I have an older Q6600 G0 L734B doing 3.6GHz at 1.43v with small FFT topping at 60°C while my L740B does 3.6GHz at only 1.33v, but at a same temperature with a 7°C difference between cores. Lapping it two times till 1000 grift didn't help much on my bowed Apogee GT. I also must say I have the 5 fans on the MCR-220 and PA120.3 at 5v all the time. In summer, speedfan would kick in where high load is needed and give me some headroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
On the Q6600 G0 official thread, many users noted the same thing. Till now, the most influence on temperature was vcore, but on these new chipse, the frequency looks like to be a major impact too. Sad that I'm limited by the CPU because of temperatures despite my nice watercooling rig. Anyway, I'm happy if I get it stable at those settings
Hi guys ive just built up this board and need some advice please. Im stable at 3.4Ghz well i think i am as it pass`s most of the stress test`s but sometimes it seem`s to reboot when loading windows ,say once out of every 8 boot ups. I know its not alot but i would like to know what volt settings i should use for my nb,fsb ect.
Cheers Paul
Here it is, my P5K Premium plunge.
Here's the box and motherboard. It is rev. 2.00G (the only revision I know about!). If I do believe previous topics, I have a new pack (blue box with new manual and all red caps)
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...l7aqx9-01r.JPG
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...kjrs09-02r.JPG
For the discussion on new/old packs, look these links:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=377
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...22#post2490022
First thing is to remove the crappy stock cooler (in my opinion, it is crappy, but I didn't give it a single chance)
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...thbwnoo-03.jpg
Looks easy once removed but it took me 45mn. The holes of the push-pins are machined less than 0.5mm to the integrated circuits on back of the PCB. So removing and placing the push-pins is a risky thing. You need much care. Also, even that I never fired it up, the ASUS thermal compound was sticking solid on the SB and NB. I had to give it a serious heating time with a hair drier. Also, take care here, not more than 20-30 secs. Better test each time, than give it another shot of hot air. The heatsinks should come without any effort. Removing the mosfets coolers is much easier as there's only a thermal pad.
Harder part now: removing the crappy solid and sticking ASUS thermal compound. You need a lot of alcohol and patience. Don't exert much pressure on the naked NB. The SB is covered with and IHS, so it is more resistant to pressure. To remove the compound quicker, I gave it some more hot air shots (but be carefull again).
The problem is that the SB, NB and first mosfet heatsinks are soldered with a heatpipe system. If you want to reuse the SB heatsink, you'll have to cut that heat pipe and loose your warranty. I agree that NB and mosfets coolers are not enough for high overclocks, but the SB would be more than enough. Having to buy a new one is a waste of money. There are very cheap ones hopefully, like the Zalman ZM NB-47J. The problem is that the SB is in the length of the PCI-E slot. A long dual slot VGA card (like my 8800 GTS 512) will conflict with any SB cooler higher than 10-11mm. There are low profile SB heatsinks at Enzotech and Petra's shop, but they are some expensive and hard to obtain. Thus, I went with the aluminium Zalman ZM NB-47J which I cut a bit so it can fit.
Now, placing my two HR-09U type 2 on the mosfets, my HR-05 IFX on the NB and a Zalman ZM NB-47J on the SB. Thermalright web site shows that you need a HR-09U and HR-09S both type 2 for the mosfets. If you're watercooled, two HR-09U type 2 will fit perfectly. But, on air cooling, a HR-09S type 2 could be needed as the U variant can conflict with the CPU air cooler. Be carefull that S type can conflict with some removable motherboards plates. Check the specs on thermalright site before buying them.
The layout of this motherboard is one of the worst I'v seen. The HR-05 IFX won't fit horizonally because of the RAM slots too close to the NB. It also won't fit vertically because it will interfere with PCI-E card (heuh, I'm no longer sure of it) and it will cover the CPU cooler fixing holes. We're left with a diagonal fit. If you're aircooled, take care as it can conflict with CPU cooler as the NB is too close to the socket.
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...rmq5jhf-04.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...2hvs4fr-05.jpg
In this last picture, you can see the needed clearance on the SB with a VGA card such as the 8800 GTS 512. The card is so long that it will cover the misplaced SATA ports (SATA 1 and 3). The only solution is to use angled SATA cables. But the angle will than render useless the ports SATA 2 and SATA 4. So, in all cases, with such VGA cards, you loose two SATA ports. ASUS really did crap here.
To continue with layout issues, look at the Analog CD Audio connector near the PCI 1 slot. The 8800 GTS 512, being dual slot, will conflict with the connector. I could plug the audio cable, but I have to force the card and the mb is bending a bit in that place :eek:
Now, the system mounted
The PA120.3 with 3 Scythe S-Flex SSF21F at 5v, speedfan regulated:
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...2mfcjba-06.JPG
The lateral panel modded with a 120mm fan and the MCR-220 mounted on the rear with two Delta fans fixed at 5v
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...ngk14wb-07.jpg
Now, a closeup to see the layout problems
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...ajjc2kb-08.jpg
In the circled area N°1, we see that the RAM slots are too close to the PCI-E card. It will be hard to fit a DDR cooler. In my case, the OCZ XTC Memory Cooler can't fit as it should. I had to remove the lower fixation and it is suspended only on its top. Also, it is so close to the VGA card that I recovered the lower part with an electrostatically protective film to avoid a short on the VGA card.
In the circled area 2, we see the 8800 GTS 512 blocking the SATA ports. I could use angled cables, but as you see, the ports 2 and 4 are dead.
Everything is now mounted. And there's a last bad layout (yes again). The PCI-E slot is too close to the bottom of the card compared to my previous P5B Deluxe. The 8800 GTS 512 conflicts with my pump, it was hard to fix it despite I have a rather big tower (Thermaltake Shark)
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...glez9cf-09.jpg
Some discreet lights:
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...6lf9ql0-10.jpg
Now, time to see if all this work is worth it. Well, here are my results, rock solid, with my Q6600 L740B (check my signature)
Near 12h Prime95 Small FFT:
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...ni4x877-13.jpg
And, the best program to test the NB/RAM stability with these agressive settings on a quad core: OCCT in RAM mode
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...cig6srp-14.jpg
Some SuperPi runs:
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...SuperPi_1M.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...uperPi_32M.jpg
And 3DMark06 run
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...1-3DMark06.jpg
This is nothing close to a world record, but, the voltage settings are impressive, here are the bios settings to achieve it: (edit: lowered vNB to the minimum now)
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008042...h-P1020679.JPG
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008042...g-P1020680.JPG
My old P5B Deluxe couldn't stabilize my chip under OCCT above 390 FSB with same components. It also was impossible to over clock my DDR2 above 900MHz. So I'm quiet impressed.
About the voltages, I didn't try lower as I think they are already quiet too low. The vPLL did give me neither less vcore nor better overclocking. It is fine at 1.5v. The NB and CPU Ref voltages would give me random lockups on startup and within Adobe Encore CS3 if set lower than the maximum.
I see my volts are one of the lowest for such a high FSB on a quadcore at 3.8GHz. Maybe I got a good board, but for sure the NB and RAM cooling are helping. At my OC, with an excellent incase airflow, the system temperature is at 48°C (25°C ambient) after some hours of OCCT in RAM mode. I do believe that an active cooling on the NB is the only way to grant you a high FSB on a quadcore.
I also see a lot of people putting vPLL and clock over charging on Auto. A good advice is never put sensitive voltages (vDDR, vcore, vFSB, vNB, vPLL) on Auto. vPLL is a CPU killer, and often useless except some handpicked CPUs. And on ASUS boards at least, the voltage will increase by its self when you overclock on Auto and you have no way to monitor the killer vPLL. My piece of advice...
The Static read control feature gives the memory a dramatic boost in performance. I couldn’t enable Transaction Booster but relaxing it to 0 instead of 3 worked and gave the memory benchmarks another impressive boost. SuperPI 32M improved by no less than 5 sec with also a remarkable 3DMark06 improvement.
Finally, here’s a SuperPI 1M at 4GHz. I didn’t even check for stability as I didn’t like to bump many volts in my components since I’m limited by the heat from the CPU for extra overclocking (should get a new CPU WB instead of my bowed Apogee GT maybe not well contacting the surface of my lapped IHS)
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...Pi_1M_4GHz.jpg
I made many tests using multiple combinations (8x475 MHz and 9x423MHz with different memory speeds and timings). I also gave the strap 266 a look. It is a very interesting setting giving some more memory performance and low latencies. The strap 266 settings need high voltage on RAM (2.30-2.35v to stabilize it) and also higher volts on the NB. My RAM is rated at 2.35v 1200MHz and CAS5, so it could handle it, but for the relative performance gain…
In yellow is the setting I chose for 7/24 use. I also added now results with new bios 0612
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008042...bi7-table1.jpg
It looks like the 8x475MHz setting at strap 266 and CAS 5-5-5-18 is the best performer though if you don’t mind putting 2.3-2.35v in your RAM
You can also see the important boost by relaxing tansaction booster to 0 instead of 3
Bios 0612 adds also some gain in memory performance. It is reported to give better memory overclocks
Here’s also a Crysis benchmark result at my settings:
Quote:
16.02.2008 06:15:44 - Vista
Run #1- DX10 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 24.10
Run #2- DX10 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 24.41
Run #3- DX9 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 24.39
Run #4- DX9 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 24.53
Run #5- DX10 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Last Average FPS: 14.16
Run #6- DX10 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Last Average FPS: 16.65
Run #7- DX9 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Last Average FPS: 16.66
Run #8- DX9 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Last Average FPS: 16.76
Run #9- DX10 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: Custom ~~ Last Average FPS: 17.19
Run #10- DX10 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: Custom ~~ Last Average FPS: 17.50
Run #11- DX9 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: Custom ~~ Last Average FPS: 17.70
Run #12- DX9 1280x1024 AA=2x, 32 bit test, Quality: Custom ~~ Last Average FPS: 16.86
I must say I'm impressed how easy it can be overclocked. It is really not a frail board like the X38 motherboards as I read in their topics. You put your volts and settings and you quickely know if it handles it. In my case, I'm only limited by my other components. Also, two features that definately should be enabled are: static read control and transcation booster. Sadely, when you overclock, you can't enable them both. Transaction booster won't work on important memory overclocks. Despite this, disabling the transaction booster and trying not to relax it much (0 instead of 3) would still give an important boost in benchmarks that you also see in SuperPI and 3DMark06.
A note about Samsung/WD SATA 2 drives. My Samsung 120Gb drive works without any issue. I also made the jump to a Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400 AAKS without any issue. On ASUS forums, the issues concern early motherboard samples. You can know your build date by serial number on pack. Mine is 78xxx meaning 2007 August. MB from 77xxx and before are at high risk to be affected by the bug. You can RMA your board to get a newer one.
Well, hope this complete view can help someone mastering this nice board. Feel free to comment on my settings / results / interpretations.
edit 27 April 2008
edit 12 May 2008Quote:
Added underlined text:
- Updated bios settings screens
- Added Bios 0612 feedback
- Added GTL Ref Voltages issues
- Added WD/Samsung SATA2 HD issues workaround
Quote:
Bios 0612 gave me memory performance improvement (cf above table) but I begun getting some random hang-ups on windows startup. During daily use or benching it was still stable Prime95 small FFT and OCCT in RAM mode. I couldn't sort it out increasing vNB and vFSB. Finally, I realized it was memory issue, now needing looser timings (it became unstable) or more voltage (2.20 instead of 2.10v with bios 0504). Since I opted for 950Mhz CAS4 to have 2.10v on my RAM, and since I now had to give it 2.20v, I opted for a larger bandwidth setup (if it has to burn, at least it gets for respected performances :D). Here are my expierience facts
- 8x475 at strap 266 with 1186 DDR2 CAS5 and 2.25v were perfectly stable on this new bios. It also gives a good performance increase compared to strap 333. I didn't need to boost my NB or FSB voltages
- 8x480 at strap 266 with 1200 DDR2 CAS5 and 2.25v needed 1.30v FSB instead of 1.20v to stabilize the CPU at 3.84GHu instead of 3.80GHz without adding vcore. So, now, this is my new setup, still rock stable and no more hang ups on boot.
- My Q6600 is fully stable P95 small FFT at 3.90GHz (9x434MHz) at PLL 1.5v and vFSB 1.30v but a vcore of 1.47v. I couldn't stabilize the 3.9GHz at 8x488 or even 8x485 despite any increase in vFSB, vPLL, vNB... It could be the CPU, the memory or the motherboard limiting me. I'd have to try strap 333 to exclude memory from equation and to loosen NB stress to partially exclude motherboard. Maybe I'll test that later, but no real benefit as I won't gain much CPU speed and the memory will loose performance
Here are screens of this new setup. Note that I opted for shorter periods of benching, especially with OCCT in RAM mode. OCCT will burn the RAM, and I've never seen errors after 2h of run in RAM mode. Also, at the end, you'll find all bios screens for this config
I could tweak the trfc and other subtimings (it seems stable with a trfc of 25 and settings of 5-5-4-10-4-25-3-3-3), but it only gave a poor boost in memory copy/read performance, so not worth going the hassle of OCCT RAM stability sessions to tweak it
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051..._profile_1.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051...-_OCCT_RAM.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051...1_-everest.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051..._1_-3DMark.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051...SuperPI_1M.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051...-bios_-All.jpg
Nice m8!!
Just thought i would post some pics of my rig .
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...7/P1010688.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...7/P1010691.jpg
Its just a shame that the nb and vrm`s dont give out temp readings
Nice and very clean setup. I see you chose the HR-05 SLI for the SB, quiet a big investment, but very clean setup I have to agree. I think though that your Reserator is limiting you in temperatures as your circuit is very restrictive too. But I can think you have a very silent setup...
Otherwise, I just could set Transaction Booster on Disabled but relaxed to 0 instead of 3, it gave me a huge improvement in everest. Will update my post once I finish a new 10h OCCT RAM stability test in that setting.
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...j-Untitled.jpg
My HTPC is finally complete and running as planned (minus the SuperPI issue)
Specs are in my siggy.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DSC_0040-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DSC_0043-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...x/DSC_0033.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DSC_0016-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...x/DSC_0032.jpg
good old AMD64 fan cooling the chipset/ram :D ;)
God I love those fans. I even cut a 70mm hole in my Xbox 360 and mounted it internally right before the CPU heatsink. Fit perfectly and has helped bigtime. It is the only (easy) source for 70mm. Thank god I had about 12 AMD K8 CPU's, many of which I clipped HS/Fan from them :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
:) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1203310127
This board is an excellent overclocker and stable as heck. It is also very easy to overclock. I just don't see why so many people are having trouble with it. (Knock on wood)
Got to agree. Earlier problems were mainly around ICH9R and SataII compatibility. Couldnt get them to run AHCI/RAID .Latest BIOS's and MB revisions seem to have cured it for most. me - I never had any problems and its a great overclocker - even using the MB -HS setup which works for me -MB temp currently 35c with a little 40mm fan on the NB. I am using a cheap EZCool 550H case with a great big 250mm fan on the side which I suspect is helping a bit -lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Nice work - in case you hadnt noticed on previous post to help removal of stock heatsinks - use the small end of the barrel of a click type pen to compress the plastic compression pins . It just fits nicely and out they pop with no effort or damage to the MB and pins unlike trying to do it with pliers.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
Just installed this motherboard and all is well but there seems to be a cold boot issue, when first starting up it will reset itself and then powerup, why is it doing this? as it seems completely stable in windows/games and during prime. :confused:
I'm using the latest bios, 0508 I think.
Its fine. Its a strap change thing.
Hmm, ok, just seems odd that it needs to do it everytime is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Just out of interest what volt`s are you using for your Q6600 go .
up to 3.0 Ghz 1.275v
3.0 - 3.2 Ghz 1.3v
3.2 - 3.4 Ghz 1.35v
Then anything above that i need 1.4v but i also found that if i ran a fsb of 380 then i would get alot of bsod when booting up. But above or below this then it was fine so is there a fbs hole at 380 ish or is the strap for my ram that caused it. What i would like is to run at 3.4 Ghz with my ram as high as i can so what strap and cpu volt should i be looking at for a stable overclock as my ram is rated for 1066.
Any info would be great..
Cheers Paul
This link is for a deluxe but read the section on FSB strap and take your pick - the rest is interesting as well. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mai...overclock.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by wilson
I missed that one. Looks simple but never though at it. This tip will for sure help me in a near futureQuote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
It happens to me when my overclock is unstable, either a low vcore or too stressed RAM with insufficient vDDR. Give your overclock a test with something like OCCT in RAM mode. Or, try to increase the vcore or vDDR, or loosen the memory timings just to see if it helps you. Then you could solve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shocky
The board is stable for sure, just look at my signature and review on previous page. For your settings, you should be fine anywhere in strap 333 to 400. Also, the first divider on strap 266 should work fine but harder to stabilize. I'll go with strap 333 manual selecting it. Loosen your timings or set them to Auto. Set your vDDR at what is adviced by your RAM manufacture. The vNB to 1.40 and vFSB to 1.45. Set your vcore one notch above least stable voltage. And go from there. Later you can try to lower the NB voltage, vDDR, vcore and tighten your timings or test other straps. It will take you time, but don't skip the stepsQuote:
Originally Posted by wilson
I edited my post with my setup and review (link in my signature)
I corrected some entries in the table and added a column with the transaction booster relaxed to 3. Also updated Bios screens and OCCT/SuperPI benchmarks.
It is still full stable with the low voltage after 12h on OCCT RAM and Prime95 small FFT.
Less relaxation on the transaction booster gave the memory another real boost without any voltage increase:
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008021...j-Untitled.jpg
Already have, did blend for over 4 hours with no errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
Thanks all for the info..
Im now running as below
cpu volt 1.3625... is this about right for 3.4Ghz?
cpu pll 1.5
fsb volt 1.4...... was 1.3 but does it matter ?
nb volt 1.4
sb volt 1.05
clock over-charging volt ???? what is this????
cpu gtl 0.63x
nb gtl 0.67x
This is with the 266 strap and 380 fsb and this gives me 953Mhz ram. Now when i use the 333 strap then it gives me 913 Mhz ram but this also causes some blue screens for me when booting in to windows also ive not had one yet using the 266 strap " touch wood" but i may run memtest just to be sure.
Its just passed the occt 30 min test so i think prime is in order now..
I was reading the P5K-E thread and people on there say that at the lowest voltage setttings for VMCH, VPLL, VFSB it overvolts. Is this the case with the P5K-Premium too? If I had a multimeter I'd test it myself if someone would give me the measuring points.
Per Barbornet on P5K-E Thread
VMCH BUG
Bios ---------------- Tester
1,25v(or AUTO) --- 1,55v
1,40v -------------- 1,40v
1,55v -------------- 1,55v
1,70v -------------- 1,70v
VPLL BUG
Bios ---------------- Tester
1,5v(or AUTO) --- 1,8v
1,6v -------------- 1,6v
1,7v -------------- 1,7v
1,8v -------------- 1,8v
VFSB BUG
Bios ---------------- Tester
1,2v(or AUTO) --- 1,4v
1,3v -------------- 1,3v
1,4v -------------- 1,4v
1,5v -------------- 1,5v
Prime95 Blend won't reveal the NB-RAM unstability as F@H or OCCT in RAM mode will do. OCCT is though faster than F@H, the last one needing more than 12h to reveal the problem. Look at the system temperature when you OCCT in RAM mode or F@H, it really cranksQuote:
Originally Posted by Shocky
What I mean, try to loosen your OC. If the problem disappears, than, like it or not, your OC is unstable. If the problem persists at stock or when you loosen your memory and CPU OC, than it could be a board/bios issue.
We don't have all the same testing rigour for defining stability. Most XS members will go with a SuperPi and 1h of priming. For me, this is just good for world records or gaming, not to be called stable for 7/24 use. It is a personal choise, no need to launch that hot debate anyway.
cpu volt 1.3625... is this about right for 3.4Ghz?Quote:
Originally Posted by wilson
Will depend on the CPU, no way to know. You have to run Prime95 Small FFT which is quiete only sensible to the vcore/vPLL and vFSB, ruling out memory and NB OC issues (providing they have a minimum stability)
cpu pll 1.5, fsb volt 1.4...... was 1.3 but does it matter ?, nb volt 1.4
sb volt 1.05
At the 333 strap, look at the link in my signature, these voltages took me rock stable up to 475FSB on my Q6600. My board is very well cooled. I removed all stock cooling though. This suerely helps.
clock over-charging volt ???? what is this????
No need for it for now. Just set it to 0.8v. For a slight 3.4GHz, no need to touch vPLL or this setting
cpu gtl 0.63x
nb gtl 0.67x
No harm here, but for 3.4GHz only, you can set them to Auto for now. Once stable, look at them maybe, even if useless at 3.4GHz
Its just passed the occt 30 min test so i think prime is in order now..
This is only a quick test. I wil go only with OCCT in CPU mode or Prime95 Small FFT for overclocking the CPU. Set you RAM timings and voltage on Auto and don't overclock it till your CPU is stable (so lower your memory frequency to DDR2-800 even if it is rated at 1200MHz). If you keep like you do overclocking the RAM and CPU, you can't know where lies your problem. Once you're stable on the CPU, go to the memory and NB settings and test with OCCT in RAM mode
Humm, the vPLL issue is wired. But the X38 ASUS boards are all known to have overvolting issues. I lowered my vPLL to 1.5 and I didn't see any temperature increase (or decrease) compared to 1.6v, so I don't think it overvolts that much. Also vFSB and vNB. I'm not stable at lowest values while I'm stable at respectively at 1.3 FSB and 1.4 NB. So, it shouldn't overvolt in manual settings. In Auto, ASUS boards overvolt when you OC, so I will never put a voltage on AUTOQuote:
Originally Posted by stepinrazor
12 hours? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
Thats impossible as I'm not around long enough for that and I'm not leaving it on well i'm out or well i'm sleeping, but i'll try it for as long as I can, so what if that also gives no errors?
Anyway, what would you recommend I set for the other voltage settings, I've only changed core and memory voltage, the rest are all still set too auto.
OCCT RAM in 2h to 4h is where most errors will occur, so should be a rather stable test for the NB-RAM. Small FFT in Prime95 is a long debate :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shocky
List your confing and bios settings, and we can see
Also, at stock, does your mb dual boot too?
Ok, 4 hours shouldn't be a problem, to be honest I havent tested it at stock but I don't think it does, i'll try it later.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
System.
Q6600 G0 (425x8) + 0504
P5K Premium
8800GTX
3GB (2x1GB + 2x512MB) 4.4.4.12
X-FI XtremeMusic
3x500GB Seagate drives
Tagan TG700-U33
All i've changed in the bios is is core, memory voltage, multipler, FSB and also strap to 400, also disabled C1E, CPU TM, everything else I set to auto I think.
Ok. I'd really try stock. If it doesn't do it, than you have really to enhance your OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shocky
What I see is a memory issues maybe. You have 4 slots of mixed DDR2 sticks.
- strap goes to 333 (400 was revealed to be really unstable by many)
- memory voltage: must meet the minimum needed by the most demanding two sticks
- Memory frequency: don't set it to Auto as you have mixed sticks. Go to manual and select the multiplier giving the closest memory frequency to the lowest performant sticks. In your case, if you setup a 1:1 multiplier, your memory will be at 850MHz, be sure all sticks can do it at those agressive timings you put. In your case, I'll begin with manual and set 5-5-5-18-5-42-12-12-12. Static read control and transaction booster disabled at relax 3.
- vPLL to 1.50 or 1.60 (to avoid crazy killing auto overclock by ASUS
- vNB to 1.40 or 1.55 as you have 4 sticks of memory
- vFSB to 1.30 or 1.45
Now see if still dual boot. If all is ok, you can now tighten your memory timings and lower voltage to check for stability
Let us know
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
Well heres a screen showing 5hr run of OCCT, i'll check those settings tomorrow and see if they make any difference, also it doesnt reset on default settings but it only does when first powering up so i'll leave it on defaults tonight and see if it does it tomorrow.
Thanks for the help.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8601/oc5hql7.jpg
no problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Shocky
Yes, give my settings a try and let me know. Also, strap 333 will give you a nice performance boost over strap 400 and the 1:1 multi is still available
Changed them all to the lower values and it hasn’t made any difference, also changed the strap, why will the lower strap boost performance?Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
It's only a minor inconvenience really and everything does seem to be working fine, so might just live with it for now, future bios update might solve it. :shrug:
Really strange, in deed. The only times this happens to me is when I force an unstable OC on the memory. Also when OC fails, but it comes with an F1 OC failure message. You can always in fact try a bios update... who knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by Shocky
About strap, the lowest it is, the shorter NB delays are. Strap 200 is the most performant, 400 the less. For high OC, strap 333 is the best compromise. Strap 200 and 266 will OC the memory too high with the FSB
Ok guys what should i get vista 32 or 64??
And can i use duel boot and still keep my xp set up on raid 0 while setting up vista on another raid 0 config ???
I run X64 and I am impressed with the driver support.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilson
With the amount of RAM available and some programs and games that can use it, I would not shell out for 32 bit.
ay if you want my settings pm me and Ill send you an excel file w them all.
Here is my validation I can do 4k easy but temps cause it to reboot once in a blue..at this level it never reboots WOW...CS...LORDS w/e
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=317641
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shocky
Hi all :)
I summarize my story ^^
I have buy a first P5K Premium it there have 2 month ago approximately
I had moree Pb with this first :
Large vdroop even with the pencil MOD, not very powerful in the OC with my Dual core and pentium4 and at the end of first week it be die :p:
A potentiometer have burn with starting
She was guaranteed, Asus sent to me a new (after 2 months...), which I received today :)
They returned me all my bundle of origin, same the box.
Only the MOBO is new :p:
I have the impression seen more details on the MOBO, that it has used or tested in the laboratories of Asus ^^
Since 4H of tests under AC (to start), it is another MOBO which my first :up:
No vdroop for begging
For example, my powerful E2140 made in Max bench on AC (aircooling) of 3603Mhz under a P5KC Green with 1.44v of vcore (1.50v idle, tks vdroop in P5KC ^^), stock +125%!
http://picasaweb.google.fr/PhilMorni...54606138548130
Not possible to do better whith this MOBO
The same E2140 in the same conditions AC and same Vcore of 1.44v made held a max bench with 3641Mhz on my new P5K Premium Black Pearl :up: (stock +127.59% on AC :shocked: )
http://picasaweb.google.fr/PhilMorni...93610287129474
I was disappointed by my first and I thought them bad
But after my new MOBO and the first bench i say "P5K Premium (black pearl) POWEEE !!!" :p: :D