The Fermi Thread - Part 3

The original gtx480 design has no visible heatpipes on top.
Just an illuminated logo (barely visible on this shot behind the 8+6 pins power)

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Originally Posted by Carfax

I don't know. Nvidia is a master of squeezing performance out of their cards with drivers..

Even the G200 got some nice performance increases from driver optimizations, and it had way more similarities to the G80 and G90 cards, than Fermi will have to the G200..

When I first bought my GTX 285, it was using the 17xxx drivers. After Nvidia released the 18xxx drivers, I noticed a significant improvement in performance in a lot of games, to the tune of 15% or so..

These latest 19xxx are also very good, but the improvements are more specific than across the board..

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still .... dont buy the card expecting epic drivers improving performance .... judge by the release driver ... and if price performance watt etc... is ok with you then get it and be happy if nvidia improves those perf over time ....

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Originally Posted by Marios

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Wow, a free mouse.. That's pretty awesome.
Which box design which had the free mouse mat?

I liked that Inno3D box design, but i might just have to go with Zotac, unless someone offers an even better free gift.

But yeah, sure as heck beats getting "Vantage" coupons, i've got like 5 of the things.. What a completely useless free gift..

It was Inno3D actually.

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Originally Posted by Marios

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two versions of the GTX480?

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Originally Posted by Nightcover

I think we are expecting actual benchmarks to show us the truth 26.

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NVIDIA moving media embargo to March 29th


http://www.nordichardware.com/en/com...arch-29th.html

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Originally Posted by Marios

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ZOTAC FTW!! :up:

if this turns out to be April fools its gonna be one :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing mean joke:rolleyes::shakes:

what the hell, the Deathadder mouse is at least $60 new...

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

I like the prices but tdp is nuts, if gtx 480 is just 5-10% more than 5870 for $499 its noting gr8 "5870 2gb" 5970's “launch” price was about $600USD.

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From the 'maximum performance only' point of view... 512 CUDA cores would be a great thing, though. TDP can be dealt with.
But energy efficiency is pretty piss poor, indeed.

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Originally Posted by Vardant

You can't go over that, you won't pass PCI-SIG compliance test.

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So you haven't seen ASUS Mars, have you? I don't think 4870x2 and GTX295 are certified either...

Cards listed in a really trustworthy shop from Spain:

http://www.4frags.com/catalog/produc...tx480+-+1536mb
http://www.4frags.com/catalog/produc...x470+-+1280mbx

GTX480 : 440€
GTX470 : 330€

They say that they can't confirm the specs but the prices are 100% legit, at least for the limited units they will receive. Also, they mention that the second batch of cards will get in April, which means that by 26th there will be cards in the shops...

Like I said, this shop has an awesome reputation here in Spain, it's well known so I think it's 100% legit.

Just to lighten the proceedings, to the tune of Californication, Red Hot Chili Peppers:

NDA spies from China
try to feed your minds elation
hard core clockers from Sweden
dream of truth in site quotations
and if you want these kind of dreams
I call it Fermication

Its the edge of the truth
and the speculation of civilisation
the chip may rise in the east at least
could it be found in some location
is it understood is Nvidia good
I call it Fermication

Pay Nvidia very well
to break the spell of Cypress
as wafers spin are yields so thin
as they perfect the process

Chorus:
Angel born or hellspawn
Graphic core soft :banana::banana::banana::banana:
I call it Fermication
I call it Fermication


Feel free to slap me with a wet fish ;-)

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Originally Posted by prava

cards listed in a really trustworthy shop from spain:

http://www.4frags.com/catalog/produc...tx480+-+1536mb
http://www.4frags.com/catalog/produc...x470+-+1280mbx

gtx480 : 440€
gtx470 : 330€

they say that they can't confirm the specs but the prices are 100% legit, at least for the limited units they will receive. Also, they mention that the second batch of cards will get in april, which means that by 26th there will be cards in the shops...

Like i said, this shop has an awesome reputation here in spain, it's well known so i think it's 100% legit.

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yes!!!!

I guess that in US currency the GTX480 will be around $500 and the GTX470 $370-380, that is my guess considering how they make the $-€ exchange most of the time...

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Originally Posted by prava

I guess that in US currency the GTX480 will be around $500 and the GTX470 $370-380, that is my guess considering how they make the $-€ exchange most of the time...

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440 Euros = 598.48800 U.S. dollars

Comparing 5870 prices with that site (€360) and Turkey ($395), I think the prices will be around $360 and $480 here, and a bit cheaper in the US.

Consider yourself slapped.

on that site the GTX 480 is 20% more than a 5870 so that would put the GTX 480 at around $469.00-$499.00 but still means nothing.. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

440 Euros = 598.48800 U.S. dollars

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cards are much more expensive in europe, HD5870 retails for 420 euros in germany...

if these prices are true, then we can expect GTX470 for U$300-350 and GTX480 for U$450-500 in US like some are saying...

zotac must add this lyrics to package

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

440 Euros = 598.48800 U.S. dollars

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only that doesn't work like that. A 440€ video card in Europe will be around $450 in the US.

gtx 480 being so cheap doesn't sound good for nvidia still waiting sooner or later they must come to light lol

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

only that doesn't work like that. A 440€ video card in Europe will be around $450 in the US.

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I was just quoting what 440 euros was worth in US dollars to the penny. We will see the prices launch day coming soon. If I am right you owe me a beer!

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Originally Posted by s1nykuL

Just to lighten the proceedings, to the tune of Californication, Red Hot Chili Peppers:

NDA spies from China
try to feed your minds elation
hard core clockers from Sweden
dream of truth in site quotations
and if you want these kind of dreams
I call it Fermication

Its the edge of the truth
and the speculation of civilisation
the chip may rise in the east at least
could it be found in some location
is it understood is Nvidia good
I call it Fermication

Pay Nvidia very well
to break the spell of Cypress
as wafers spin are yields so thin
as they perfect the process

Chorus:
Angel born or hellspawn
Graphic core soft :banana::banana::banana::banana:
I call it Fermication
I call it Fermication


Feel free to slap me with a wet fish ;-)

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Haha awesome :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by eric66

gtx 480 being so cheap doesn't sound good for nvidia still waiting sooner or later they must come to light lol

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lol what, so if it was expensive that would sound good for nvidia?

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

lol what, so if it was expensive that would sound good for nvidia?

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well if you use your brain a little ...... :up:

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

440 Euros = 598.48800 U.S. dollars

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I'm afraid in hardware it doesn't work that way :)

Few comparisons:

5870 @ Newegg : $404

That would be around 300€, but you wont find 5870 for less than 340€


5970 @ Newegg : $700

That would be around 514€. You won't find them for less than 540€.

And so on.


Although there is something curious about that...spaniards had to import stuff a few years ago in order to get proper prices...now we could even export as our prices are probably within the best around the EU community. Heck, a few years ago I was buying in UK and now it has gotten soooo expensive that even if pounds = euros we would only be saving a little :rofl::ROTF:

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Originally Posted by eric66

well if you use your brain a little ...... :up:

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I understand. If GTX 480 was $600, you would say "wow this sounds good for Nvidia". I mean, YOU would say this? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Hm, is the mouse included in the bunddle or is a discount coupon? Anyway, Zotac FTW :)

So comparing it with current HD5000 prices (in the same shop), we have:

HD5850 => 253€
GTX470 => 330€
HD5870 => 355€
GTX480 => 440€
HD5970 => 560€

So we have the GTX470 priced a little lower than HD5870, and GTX480 between HD5870 and HD5970. Of course, it remains to be seen how will the prices of Radeon cards be affected by this launch, given that their prices are pretty high taking into acount they are 6 months old now. I suppose it will depend mostly on performance of the new GeForce cards.

I don't find those prices unexpected at all. Now we only need to know how those new cards perform (and some other info like power consumption and so). Things are beginning to take shape...:up:

We can expect ATI to drop their prices as GTX470 being even cheaper than a 5870 is a rather impressive thing. Unexpected, totally unexpected.

enough with this fermi thing ...

I dunno,if it's a discount then it's too low,599 yen = ~6.6$ so not worthy...
It would be a pretty sweet deal if it would come boundled with a mouse especially a deathadder though I am kinda reserved..

Why the hell do we have another thread about Fermi?

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Originally Posted by Farinorco

So comparing it with current HD5000 prices (in the same shop), we have:

HD5850 => 253€
GTX470 => 330€
HD5870 => 355€
GTX480 => 440€
HD5970 => 560€

So we have the GTX470 priced a little lower than HD5870, and GTX480 between HD5870 and HD5970. Of course, it remains to be seen how will the prices of Radeon cards be affected by this launch, given that their prices are pretty high taking into acount they are 6 months old now. I suppose it will depend mostly on performance of the new GeForce cards.

I don't find those prices unexpected at all. Now we only need to know how those new cards perform (and some other info like power consumption and so). Things are beginning to take shape...:up:

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Thanks Farinorco. Good info :up:

:shrug:

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GeForce GTX 480 3 billion ~5100 SEK - $510

GeForce GTX 470 3 billion ~3550 SEK - $360

Radeon HD 5970 2 x 2,15 billion ~5600 SEK - $560

Radeon HD 5870 2.15 billion ~3700 SEK - $370

Radeon HD 5850 2.15 billion ~2600 SEK - $260

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http://www.nordichardware.com/en/com...00-prices.html

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Originally Posted by eric66

enough with this fermi thing ...

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then dont bother to open fermi related threads.

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

then dont bother to open fermi related threads.

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well i won't you can bet on that :ROTF: we already have trilogy going on :p:

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Originally Posted by prava

We can expect ATI to drop their prices as GTX470 being even cheaper than a 5870 is a rather impressive thing. Unexpected, totally unexpected.

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Well, of course we should expect a drop in HD5800 prices by now. Those prices are higher than at launch, and it's 6 months later than that now (half its life cycle in average for a videocard)... given the usually decreasing curve of the prices along the life of a hw product, specially a videocard, AMD should have a huge margin to lower the prices down to a more natural number at this point.

Of course NVIDIA knows that, and they can't launch the product at a given price and start dropping it in a few weeks, consumers would feel pissed off (like it happened the previous generation because of the surprise of HD4800 performance and price). So they have to estimate how much AMD can (and will) lower the prices and play with that to price their own products.

Do you really think that those prices are unexpected? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Thanks Farinorco. Good info :up:

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I only did a quick and dirty search on the 4frags web, all the merit here is prava, he was the one who actually found and brought the really interesting info...:up:

If anything the prices are hinting the relatively poor performance advantage (5850 and 5870, not 5970 ofc). You can already now before launch quite safely say this will turn out like last gen, altho AMD looks to be in a slightly better position this time. Still I see the GTX 470 as a good buy if you're looking into upgrading, GTX 480 doesn't look very price/performance efficient at all tho, both HD5870 and HD5970 seems to make more sense from this point of view.

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

If anything the prices are hinting the relatively poor performance advantage (5850 and 5870, not 5970 ofc) (...)

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What?

Have you seen this? :
HD5850 => 253€
GTX470 => 330€
HD5870 => 355€
GTX480 => 440€
HD5970 => 560€

Considering that it's almost certain that AMD will cut 58xx prices, both 470 and 480 better be pretty damn fast cards. If the numbers posted on the Official Fermi thread are true, AMD will rape Nvidia considering price/performance.

Enrico Fermi was a physicist like Tesla, he once offered to take bets during the manhatten project on wether or not their first nuclear test would ignite the atmosphere and just destroy new mexico or the whole world. Ah such a funny guy.

Great this means buy the end of summer I will be able to purchase a nice dx11 card. :)

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Originally Posted by XS2K

I dunno,if it's a discount then it's too low,599 yen = ~6.6$ so not worthy...
It would be a pretty sweet deal if it would come boundled with a mouse especially a deathadder though I am kinda reserved..

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Hm... It seems like a discount, if they want to give the mouse they will post something like: "Here you :banana::banana::banana:! Have this mouse that cost more than 50 bucks... FOR FREE!" Or just the real price of the mouse...

+1 for the discount, who else?:p:

Besides, nice avatar :p:

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Originally Posted by Farinorco

Do you really think that those prices are unexpected? :shrug:

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Yup, as I was optimistic. 330€ for a GTX470 when 5870 will be for around 300€ or maybe even less means that there won't differ much in performance, if they do at all. We all know that at the same performance, NVIDIA cards cost more money. That said, GTX480 will be...what? 30% ahead? Even that is still in the range of an OCed GTX295, which IMO is a shame considering that ATI has put more or less the same power a 4870X2 had at 60% of its power consumption plus an awesome overclocking room, with a quite small chip considering NVIDIAs option...

I was expecting a 380€ GTX470 (5-10% ahead of GTX295) and GTX480 in the middle of 5870 and 5970, this way 5970 still stays where it is...and will be there for a looong time.

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I only did a quick and dirty search on the 4frags web, all the merit here is prava, he was the one who actually found and brought the really interesting info...:up:

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Actually, somebody posted those prices on the spanish forum I am part of so I put them here because I thought they were interesting :)

Update: VR-ZONE

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Originally Posted by Visionary

Sorry, it should be 480 SP. My source got a little mixed up. They are too busy making the cards right now :D I heard the retail availability got delayed but the launch still stands on March 26th for now. NV will decide tonight whether to push back the launch date. There will be enough cards to go around i heard.

Updated with final clocks too :

GeForce GTX 480 : 480 SP, 700/1401/1848MHz core/shader/mem, 384-bit, 1536MB, 295W TDP, US$499

GeForce GTX 470 : 448 SP, 607/1215/1674MHz core/shader/mem, 320-bit, 1280MB, 225W TDP, US$349

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http://forums.vr-zone.com/7790889-post30.html

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

Update: VR-ZONE


http://forums.vr-zone.com/7790889-post30.html

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that's good news ...

waiting a few more days is a real drag

Seems like we're getting conflicting reports.......again.

Looking at the Galaxy website, the GTX 480 has 512sp, and not 480.

Maybe there's an "Ultra" version with the full SP range?

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Originally Posted by Carfax

Seems like we're getting conflicting reports.......again.

Looking at the Galaxy website, the GTX 480 has 512sp, and not 480.

Maybe there's an "Ultra" version with the full SP range?

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Yeah, I frankly don't care at this point, it'll be what it'll be in about a week anyway :). A 512 version would rock though!

GTX500: 512sp, $700
GTX490: ?
GTX480: 480sp, $500
GTX470: 448sp, $350

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Originally Posted by STEvil

GTX512: 512sp, $700
GTX480: 480sp, $500
GTX470: 448sp, $350

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Lol @ the moniker GTX512.

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

Update: VR-ZONE


http://forums.vr-zone.com/7790889-post30.html

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This busy guy packing cards has a good sense of humor.
Other than that please find another source.

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Originally Posted by -Sweeper_

two versions of the GTX480?

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Exactly.

The Zotac GTX480 speed version in flames. Hot.

http://img5.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/.../001426878.jpg

The Zotac GTX480. Icy Cool... br

http://img5.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/.../001426882.jpg

Free Razer mice with Zotac?

Total win. Imperator with ma 480 *cool guy face*

Didn't we hear, that we won't see Fermi based cards from XFX in the first wave? Who was it, so I can ignore him from now on :)

http://www.expreview.com/img/news/2010/03/19/xfx_03.jpg

http://translate.google.com/translat...om%2F9888.html

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The launch of the GeForce GTX 400 series is just weeks away and we finally got our samples. We can't share any more specific details on the card or architecture, but we will try to make up for it at launch day. During the day we received some information from a big Swedish distributor that could confirm the pricing of the GeForce GTX 400 family.

The MSRP will be around 5100 SEK (divide by ten to get USB/EUR) for the top model GeForce GTX 480 and around 3600 ($360) for GeForce GTX 470. The prices on launch day may vary a bit depending the store and even if the prices are averaged it shows how NVIDIA intends to price the cards.

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http://www.nordichardware.com/en/com...00-prices.html

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

Update: VR-ZONE


http://forums.vr-zone.com/7790889-post30.html

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Updated with final clocks too :

GeForce GTX 480 : 480 SP, 700/1401/1848MHz core/shader/mem, 384-bit, 1536MB, 295W TDP, US$499

GeForce GTX 470 : 448 SP, 607/1215/1674MHz core/shader/mem, 320-bit, 1280MB, 225W TDP, US$349

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1401 for memory or shader? Clockspeeds do not make much sense. If 1848Mhz is shader clock thats amazing (besides the 700Mhz core clock).

:up:

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Originally Posted by LiquidReactor

1401 for memory or shader? Clockspeeds do not make much sense. If 1848Mhz is shader clock thats amazing (besides the 700Mhz core clock).

:up:

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The quote claims 1401 shader... it says core/mem/shader respectively.

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Originally Posted by LiquidReactor

1401 for memory or shader? Clockspeeds do not make much sense. If 1848Mhz is shader clock thats amazing (besides the 700Mhz core clock).

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1401 is shader's clock.GF100's core clock is GPC clock,not the ROP/L2 clock,so GF100's core clock is half of the shader's clock.

Looks like the 480 had some units disabled in exchange for higher clocks

The 470 has seriously low memory clocks though

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Originally Posted by Vardant

Didn't we hear, that we won't see Fermi based cards from XFX in the first wave? Who was it, so I can ignore him from now on :)

http://www.expreview.com/img/news/2010/03/19/xfx_03.jpg

http://translate.google.com/translat...om%2F9888.html

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You do realize that is a mockup, right? Don't you find it strange that they don't have a full card to take pics with?
We will see about who is shipping this month... cause it should be no one, expect Nvidia to AIBs.

So is it March 26 or April 6?

What happens with all the chips with less than 448SP functioning?
After 20+ months since GT200, only 2 models to be launched?? 0_o?

Why is nobody pounding fists at GTX460...

Unless nVidia has a really BIG SECRET, in a week or 2, there will be really strange product lineup situation:
GTX480/470 - for shizzle
empty
empty
formerly GTX285 which is EOL
empty
GTX260/275 - low volumes
good old G90's...

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EDIT: vs AMD with full lineup.. no holes, no redundancy.. neat and organized.
5970, 5870, 5850, 5830 (replacing 4890), 5770 (replacing 4850/4770), 5750, 56xx etc

Hopefully GTX 470 will have a decent OC and not significantly lowered volts, 750/1500/1950 on stock cooler is whereabouts I hope the max clocks on stock cooler/volts would be.

Hope too ... 750/1500/1950 on OC will be great :D

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

http://www.nordichardware.com/en/com...00-prices.html

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So $510 for the 480? And how much is the 5870 currently?

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Hope too ... 750/1500/1950 on OC will be great :D

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Altough I'm sure it won't be quite that high in average for GTX 470 but probably for good samples, maybe 700~730 core, 1450~1500 shader and 1900 mem is probably more reasonable expection for a fermi card in avg but that would still be a decent OC. :)

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

Hopefully GTX 470 will have a decent OC and not significantly lowered volts, 750/1500/1950 on stock cooler is whereabouts I hope the max clocks on stock cooler/volts would be.

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GTX480 is suppose to be 700MHz with TDP barely below 300W. How in gods name do you expect to overclock GTX470 to 750MHz?

It's not happening. Not on 2x6pin and crappy PCB that we've seen.

Haven't posted in a while but figured I'd give my 2 cents. I had 2xGTX 280 SLI from Nov 08 till about 2 weeks ago. I sold one of my GTX 280s fairly cheap (current ebay pricing) and still running one of them. I have a stack of games here waiting to be played Crysis, COD4,5, Bioshock 1&2, The Witcher, Mass Effect 1&2, Assassin's Creed, Oblivion, Dragon Age, Fallout 3, Fear 1&2 and probably 1 or 2 others.

I'm currently playing BF:BC2 and pretty addicted to it, why do I have this stack of games waiting? Because I run a 3008WFP @ 2560x1600 and just can't play these awesome games with anything less than max settings and it has to be SMOOTH gameplay, level of AA not that important but 4x is nice to have. I'm on a 790i board with 8GB DDR3 @ 1680mhz with E8400 @ 4Ghz and I'm stuck with not being able to run crossfire. I invested money into Samsung 256GB SSD drives bought 3 of them put into Raid0 (spent/wasted $2100) which was quite foolish I admit but income was better before than it is right now.

I've been anticipating Fermi GPU (GTX 480) for a while now and I can't really remember a GPU that's had this much secrecy. I have a friend in a board partner company that said he's been told he can lose his job if he says anything... Which I find very odd, is this secrecy to get early adopter's money BEFORE any benches and real performance numbers??? Disappointed to see 512 SP slashed to 480 SP, however as mentioned the clock speed of GPU seems higher than was expected. I've had to change BF:BC2 to Medium graphics @ 2560x1600 to ensure it is fluid when there is a lot of smoke/fire which tends to happen a lot.

I really hope I don't regret buying these when they come out as I'll be 2xGTX 480 SLI, last ATI card I had was X1900XTX or X1950XTX something like that and main game was BF2 back then, there were horrible shader glitches and very jagged AA issues. Really hated the ATI Catalyst drivers as well so I really don't want to go back to ATI. With all of the specs and the card pushing the 300W barrier of PCI-E compliance along with 3 billion transistors I really hope performance matches the card specs. I'm thinking 1xGTX 480 should be 2xGTX 280 since there are double the SPs, higher clock (my GTX 280 was 615mhz) faster and more ram. If so then 2xGTX 480 would be similar to 4xGTX 280 which I'd expect will give me the performance I need for another 12-18 months?

Apologies for long post, I don't post often, any thoughts on my thinking here?

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

The quote claims 1401 shader... it says core/mem/shader respectively.

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Originally Posted by mindfury

1401 is shader's clock.GF100's core clock is GPC clock,not the ROP/L2 clock,so GF100's core clock is half of the shader's clock.

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So...is 1850Mhz already GDDR5 doubled speed? As in 925Mhz actual or 3700Mhz after the 4x :shrug:

I dont think any of the 7Ghz GDDR5 chips are out yet thats why I am wondering about the memory speeds.

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Originally Posted by LiquidReactor

So...is 1850Mhz already GDDR5 doubled speed? As in 925Mhz actual or 3700Mhz after the 4x :shrug:

I dont think any of the 7Ghz GDDR5 chips are out yet thats why I am wondering about the memory speeds.

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If you align the previous info about the GTX 470 having 800Mhz (3.2G) GDDR5, it's 3.7Ghz for the GTX 480 here.

>6Ghz speeds are not really here yet. Signal robustness (errors?) and the fact that a memory controller from a 2008/9 tapeout design probably did not account for such speeds. :)

How much faster does a SLI gtx 480 have to be to match quadfire 5970s. Considering the only resolution where such power shows itself is 2500*1600 where video memory will play a limiting effect and dualcard sli will scale better than quadfire, I can imagine for people with 30" monitors the gtx 480 might look like a better card in alot of ways. Would SLI gtx 480 at 1.2(5870) be match quadfire 5970 at 2500*1600 considering scaling issues with the 5970?

The power consumption looks awful those. This near 300 watts is a disaster in so many ways. I think classified editions of such cards won't be all for not anymore, as this card looks like it can use another 8 pin or something. I hope a company comes out with a custom PCB without the hole and a standard waterblock.

The refresh looks like the card to buy those the gtx 485 should be an overclockers dream, if they are indeed already hitting 700/1400 with this current revision.

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Originally Posted by ~CS~

NVIDIA moving media embargo to March 29th


http://www.nordichardware.com/en/com...arch-29th.html

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This remembered me how Fuad talked the Fermi is Q3 which could mean we'll see them the last day of march :rofl:

Is there any way of knowing how the SLI GTX 480 will scale?

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

How much faster does a SLI gtx 480 have to be to match quadfire 5970s. Considering the only resolution where such power shows itself is 2500*1600 where video memory will play a limiting effect and dualcard sli will scale better than quadfire, I can imagine for people with 30" monitors the gtx 480 might look like a better card in alot of ways. Would SLI gtx 480 at 1.2(5870) be match quadfire 5970 at 2500*1600 considering scaling issues with the 5970?

The power consumption looks awful those. This near 300 watts is a disaster in so many ways. I think classified editions of such cards won't be all for not anymore, as this card looks like it can use another 8 pin or something. I hope a company comes out with a custom PCB without the hole and a standard waterblock.

The refresh looks like the card to buy those the gtx 485 should be an overclockers dream, if they are indeed already hitting 700/1400 with this current revision.

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there won't be any 20 percent if shader difference between 470 and 480 is 32 only imho

I forecast saaya to come in with some infos shortly :D

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

How much faster does a SLI gtx 480 have to be to match quadfire 5970s. Considering the only resolution where such power shows itself is 2500*1600 where video memory will play a limiting effect and dualcard sli will scale better than quadfire, I can imagine for people with 30" monitors the gtx 480 might look like a better card in alot of ways. Would SLI gtx 480 at 1.2(5870) be match quadfire 5970 at 2500*1600 considering scaling issues with the 5970?

The power consumption looks awful those. This near 300 watts is a disaster in so many ways. I think classified editions of such cards won't be all for not anymore, as this card looks like it can use another 8 pin or something. I hope a company comes out with a custom PCB without the hole and a standard waterblock.

The refresh looks like the card to buy those the gtx 485 should be an overclockers dream, if they are indeed already hitting 700/1400 with this current revision.

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gtx480 sli, gtx485... come on man, get a grip :D

have you guys seen this?
http://www.techpowerup.com/117897/Ge...s_Surface.html

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GeForce GTX 480
shader cores 480
clocks 700/1400/3700
295W TDP
499$
5870+7%

GeForce GTX 470
shader cores 448
clocks 607/1215/3350
225W TDP
349$
5850+7%

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the good:
low prices

the bad:
high tdp
low 470 clocks
low mem clocks
only 480 cores for gtx480

the ugly:
performance...

i wonder how well these scale on ln2... if they clock well on ln2 they will def break all world records :)

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Originally Posted by Visionary

Latest update : TDP lowered to 250W for GTX 480

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http://forums.vr-zone.com/7792771-post44.html

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Originally Posted by eric66

there won't be any 20 percent if shader difference between 470 and 480 is 32 only imho

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Are you sure?

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Originally Posted by Topman

just a try:

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        GTX 480  GTX 470  470->480  470->480        480->470       
                            %      (% less)          (% more)       
sps            480  448            93,33%        6,67%        7,14%        (= % tmu units)
core            700  607            86,71%        13,29%        15,32%        (= % rop speed)
shader            1401  1215            86,72%        13,28%        15,31%        (= %  tmu speed)
mem            1848  1674            90,58%        9,42%        10,39%       
bus width    384  320            83,33%        16,67%        20,00%        (= %  rop units)
mb            1536  1280            83,33%        16,67%        20,00%       
tdp            295  225            76,27%        23,73%        31,11%       

pixel fillrate                    72,26%        27,74%        38,39%       
texture fillrate            80,94%        19,06%        23,54%       
flops                            80,94%        19,06%        23,54%       
bandwidth                    75,49%        24,51%        32,47%       
"average"                    77,41%        22,59%        29,49%

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Very very very VERY dissapointing. If it really has 480 shaders then my interest in buying these cards just took a serious nose dive. 3 spins and they cant even get all the shaders to work? Why in the world would I drop $500 for a broken card, the 470 looks better and better now especially if it holds to its $350 price tag.

GTX 480s TDP is 250W many months, that 29xW was total BS! launch date is not postponed! Nordic Hardware is wrong, launch is still 26th.

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Originally Posted by Sentential

Very very very VERY dissapointing. If it really has 480 shaders then my interest in buying these cards just took a serious nose dive. 3 spins and they cant even get all the shaders to work? Why in the world would I drop $500 for a broken card, the 470 looks better and better now especially if it holds to its $350 price tag.

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I don't think it's an issue with "can't make them work". More like TDP issues.

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Originally Posted by Sentential

Very very very VERY dissapointing. If it really has 480 shaders then my interest in buying these cards just took a serious nose dive. 3 spins and they cant even get all the shaders to work? Why in the world would I drop $500 for a broken card, the 470 looks better and better now especially if it holds to its $350 price tag.

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Seriously, with all the erroneous info floating, I would be hesitant to take any of this as fact.. The Galaxy website showed the GTX 480 having 512sp after all.

And the speculation about the GTX 470/480 only being 5-10% faster than the HD 5850/5870 should be taken with a healthy dose of salt..

Just wait for the launch date.

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

Hopefully GTX 470 will have a decent OC and not significantly lowered volts, 750/1500/1950 on stock cooler is whereabouts I hope the max clocks on stock cooler/volts would be.

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I think the issue will be heat, not overclockability... And stock volts will have to be pretty low in order to keep the power consumption under control.

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

How much faster does a SLI gtx 480 have to be to match quadfire 5970s.

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Quadfire 5970 is supposed to be A LOT faster.

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Originally Posted by Zed_X

GTX 480s TDP is 250W many months, that 29xW was total BS! launch date is not postponed! Nordic Hardware is wrong, launch is still 26th.

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250W, hm, not so bad I guess, for 3B transistors...

Looking forward to next week!
Haven't decided what to do yet... based on rumours I'm looking at b) or c), but here's hoping they're wrong!

a) Get a GF100 depending on price/perf
b) Get a 58xx if there's a price drop
c) Hang onto my gtx280 and wait until July/Aug for refresh or price drops

Big question - does ATI have a Cypress refresh waiting in ambush?

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Quadfire 5970 is supposed to be A LOT faster.

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It could have changed greatly, but it was only 35% faster. I actually think that HD 5870 in Tri-Fire is a better choice.

a 470 at 480 clocks is how much slower than a 480?
shouldnt be much, right?

the 470 doesnt sound bad at all for benching, but on air... 5850s and 5870s clock pretty well on air...

gf100 is not going to make a lot of people switch from ati to nvidia, but for nvidia fans and benchers a 470 should be a very nice card :D

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Originally Posted by Carfax

Seriously, with all the erroneous info floating, I would be hesitant to take any of this as fact.. The Galaxy website showed the GTX 480 having 512sp after all.

And the speculation about the GTX 470/480 only being 5-10% faster than the HD 5850/5870 should be taken with a healthy dose of salt..

Just wait for the launch date.

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I would agree wholly however what I am concerned by is the long-term rammifactions of these chips. If they are broken now how will their long term reliability going to be 1 year or even 2 years after purchase? People's 285GTXs are dropping left and right for thermal related bump issues and there weren't nearly as many respins required for that silicon to be deemed acceptable. How are we to believe that this given how many respins it took; that this round going to be any better. This chip just feels like all kinds of "half-assed" and Im not sure how comfortable I feel buying either of these cards.

If ATi drops the price of the HD5870 down to the $300-350 I am likely to jump ship; *especially* if Thuban only works on an AMD chipset which by all accounts could happen.

470 should be a good card but its TDP is still way high. For performance lower than 5870 it uses up to 30W more.

MSRP's look good, though.

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

470 should be a good card but its TDP is still way high. For performance lower than 5870 it uses up to 30W more.

MSRP's look good, though.

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And price is really what matters no? How many people look at power? 30W more is peanuts, comparing to one TV or a Microwave :p

yeah i dont think the tdp matters for power consumption... tdp only matters indirectly by reducing the clocks...
the 1950pro was a very popular card as well and it had a huge power consumption... but it was priced well and performed well...

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Originally Posted by Picao84

And price is really what matters no? How many people look at power? 30W more is peanuts, comparing to one TV or a Microwave :p

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It's not peanuts when you're considering your power supply. I'd wager that's why people are mad.

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Originally Posted by Picao84

And price is really what matters no? How many people look at power? 30W more is peanuts, comparing to one TV or a Microwave :p

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Yeah, from a practical perspective this is correct. However, more power for less performance doesn't feel right :D and it's technically ineffective.

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Originally Posted by cegras

It's not peanuts when you're considering your power supply. I'd wager that's why people are mad.

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We are talking about GTX470 here, which rumour says it has a 225W tdp. I dont think anyone who buys cards in this range will have to update the power supply...

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Yeah, from a practical perspective this is correct. However, more power for less performance doesn't feel right :D and it's technically ineffective.

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Yes you are right. But in the end, it will be the bottom line that matters. If price is good, and performance fits the price, it will be bought. On the other hand, if ATI lowers prices (I really dont think it will) things can change.

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Originally Posted by Vardant

Are you sure?

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yeah i am sure and that weird graph won't change anything :yepp:

You know what's sad? People will still buy these cards even if:

1 - Power consumption is off the charts
2 - There is < 10% performance increase over the 5xxxx series
3 - More expensive than the 5xxxx series

/shrug

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Originally Posted by saaya

yeah i dont think the tdp matters for power consumption... tdp only matters indirectly by reducing the clocks...
the 1950pro was a very popular card as well and it had a huge power consumption... but it was priced well and performed well...

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I think you're confusing cards here, the pro was on a newer process(80nm) if I recall vs 90nm for the XTX's. It actually had very low power draw, I should know, I owned one.

Not all users buy cards coz they are the fastest in games or benches...
Some are loyal to one brand, no matter what. Some prefer to stick with a brand coz they personally never had any issues with it. Some do other things with videocards then game on them...

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Not all users buy cards coz they are the fastest in games or benches...
Some are loyal to one brand, no matter what. Some prefer to stick with a brand coz they personally never had any issues with it. Some do other things with videocards then game on them...

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I realize that... which is why i said it's sad. :shrug: