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Originally Posted by zakelwe
There goes the neighborhood :down:
Hi, Just read most of the thread for the gazillionth time...
My wife leaves next week, my 3 cards are susposed to be in next 2 weeks, 2 buy this weekend.
So can someone point me to a place to buy the hardware for the volt mods for this challange. I am looking for a good internet supplier. I think the components are listed on several posts but I was wondering the best place to purchase.
And if you feel good hearted, could you go over what components i would need. I know I need a to add some caps and a VR to make it happen. I have my voltmeter ready, my fine point solder iron and I am geting all the cooling stuff in order.
This is my first time playing with you Extremest so I am getting excited, I have been preparing for the last 2 weeks to be ready/ if anyone could point me at the the right components that would be cool too, but I know it's a compatition, but I am looking to just finish but I still will be trying to do well... and get 1 event under my belt....
Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post any info...
The 3 cards I am getting are ...
FOXCONN 8400GS 256MB - Memory brand: Hynix
GeForce 8400GS 256MB - Memory brand: ????
XFX GeForce 8400GS 256MB - Memory brand: Elixir
Memory speculation from Madshrimps...
Thanks in advance for your time and effort!
I'd say calling it a competition is putting a little too much weight into it. I view this more as a bunch of guys out golfing with a cooler of beer :yepp:
Here's two great electronic retailers, I prefer searching through digikey's selection though.
http://digikey.com/
http://mouser.com/
As for components necessary, it really depends on the PCB you have. With mine, the EVGA, I ordered two 100k 25 turn pots and a slew of 2200uF 16v 0.015 Ohm ESR capacitors but I might have found some 0.01 Ohm ESR caps. Once I finish up the caps I'm going to see if another choke would be helpful but I don't think we'll be seeing current limitations.
I think that's what i like best about it, the good natured way people are in this forum. My wife is jealous that i spend a lot of time reading here..Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
I look forward to golfing :up:
It's mainly not about winning. A lot of it is down to luck, but hopefully everyone will get enough info to do most volt mods etc and push to their cards particular limit.
Talking of which my card is getting tired already after benching it througn December before the comp. One minute it is fine the next minute it will not do stock.
Popped the 10k barrier in 3dmark when it was behaving well
» http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5721315
1.75v vcore at 700/1738/560 LOD 3.6 and Woldale at 4GHZ.
Regards
Andy
Why still no 1ghz benchmarks :D
Soon young grasshopper, soon.. :p:
OK! Vmods time (this goes out to you Andy :D)
Leadtek 8400GS TDH Extreme
http://www.itsjohnnybravo.com/Overcl...%20(WinCE).JPG
I've not does these mods yet so they are untested until I say so - but this is what I'd do and I've a 100% success record so far. The variable resistors are on the safe side so after I've checked I may reduce some of the values.
Hopefully have some scores soon too!
John
PS - consider this stage 1 of the mods ;)
Thanks John for the memory mod location. I'll give that a try at some point when I have maxed out the gpu.
Your stage 1 is my final stage ,.. :)
Regards
Andy
mmh, the layout of your card seems to be the same like mine (xfx pv-t86s wang). can you post the mods pleeeze :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Hey I have added the timings from my Asus card, would like to see some comparisons the Leadtek and Gigabyte ones? Anyone wanna share?
/Grau
Well as far as I can tell this is about the same mod for the Asus card:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=160715
/Grau
I have my new 8600GT in the machine at the moment Grau, but will do that eventually.
Can anyone make public results on the BETA ORB? I can upload and make public but then they do not appear on the ORB when searching.
Regards
Andy
so is it whoever gets the best score? if so i guess i dnt have a chance. or it a specific score.
best score and go for it. It's hilarious to bench these cards! For $40, you can blow them up and not shed too many tears.
I opened the ORB Beta and I though FireFox crashed.. everything stopped responding! :(
Anyways, updated scores.. just a driver change sure makes a difference. Next comes shaders, cooling, and vmods! ;)
2k1 20,042 http://service.futuremark.com/result...6&resultType=6
2k3 7,893 http://service.futuremark.com/result...&resultType=10
Hey mate,Quote:
Originally Posted by oohms
I take it the wire to the right of the 20k VR is the ground, is there another ground near that, that could all so be use.
For the life of me I can't get the wire to solder to it, the wire to pin 4 was just fine though :shrug:
Edit: Don't worry, got it.
Edit 2: The board wont run over 1.35vgpu :(
And I just ran 03 at 711/540 = 9239, and this is what the beta ORB just told me.
As if!! :mad:Quote:
Upload failed with errorcode: -20
Error message: Your registration key has already been activated with another ORB account. This can occur if you have multiple ORB accounts, or multiple users attempt to use the same key. The ORB only allows one key to be associated with one account
Just tried to check them out by following the link and gotQuote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
The ORB encountered an unexpected error while processing your request.
I did a search on the 8400GS front page and your score is not public either. Can you make it public? I cannot make any of my scores public currently :(
Sigh, why did FM decide to go beta during our comp! They could have checked with us first to see if we gave permission ....
Regards
Andy
I think the search function is broken because they are set to public already..... I noticed the search function wasnt working correctly on the old ORB either when I submitted my older results because I couldnt find anyone else's scores when I searched.
Also it is quite annoying trying to access the beta orb, firefox AND IE slow to a crawl and stop responding... I think its due to dial-up holding me back. Hope that gets fixed on monday!
Here is the compare link for each, maybe its because I was giving the single result link that they dont work.
2k1: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9331106
2k3: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5722691
Thats wierd, mine ran fine at 1.7 vgpu :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanzo
I'll post up an OCP mod soon soon, maybe that will help
Thanks mate :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by oohms
STEvil, have you figured out the vmod yet? Would really like some help, perhabs you could take a highres picture of the card? I don't own a camera and if we could get a picture it would be easier for people to help us with the mod ( or just me )
/Grau
improved version of xfx 8400gs :D
Looking good ! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jan
Reminds me of an old card I modded back in 2002 when transistors had not been invented yet and I had to use valves.
http://www.zen141854.zen.co.uk/valves.jpg
Them were the days. Got that sucker up to 18Khz.
I hit 19fps in the Manic Miner benchmark.
Such goodtimes
Regards
Andy
pah who needs fancy cathode lighting when you've got two 60W bulbs in your case!
No one that's who.
Hehehe :D
sigged :up:
very nice mod zakelwe !!
and congrats on that 19fps WR :D :p:
Started a vmod thread in the vmod section for the asus card, with all the information I could get and the best picture I could get.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=176410
/Grau
Whats the stenciled text on those two large IC's grau so we can have a stab? The pictures are, umm, not too good to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOESA
Regards
Andy
Sorry, a bit drunk ! Just seen the Anpec unit. You need to measure resistance pin 4 to 7, it will likely be between 500 and 2000. Then set pot to 20x. Measure voltage before and after and you should see a small jump if it is successful. Then slowly wind down the resistance on the pot.
Regards
Andy
I got some good pics of the asus, i'll upload them in a few minutes as I have to go eat...
I also found 500+ free points in 3d01 by enabling something thats locked.... info when I get back ;)
edit, back!
20,849 2k1 675/1674/432 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9331586
8,056 2k3 689/1674/432 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5724017
For free points install nVstrap in Rivatuner and enable the hardware masked ROP's. It doesnt actually seem to work but it gave me free points... so whatever lol. Enabling the professional features (Quadro stuff) loses you some points, not worth it.
Tossed a Zalman VF700-CU on my card, had to relocate 2 caps to make it fit. My R600 Ed HR-03 doesnt fit.. doh. Temps are down from 80c loaded with 18c ambient to 40c loaded lol. No real gain in clock speed but almost made it through a run at 689/1750/439...
edit
My E4300 stuck at 3ghz is killing me lol...
So STEvil, how well does it scale with voltage? :)
I enabled that hardwaremasked unit in my 8315run aswell gave little, but everything counts :)
/Grau
STEvil's scores updated.
If I do a search I can't see any new score! I assume STEvil you can see your new scores by going to the search page and then just putting in 8400GS? I cannot see your scores in the list!
Regards
Andy
I've noticed that the vmem mod is totaly useless on my card.
Without mod I reach 435MHz max:( Increasing memory voltage gains nothing. Anything above 435MHz results in a system hang up...
Did the vmem mod help on your cards?
Have you thought about the memory timings? plz take picture with your timings on the memory of the card with nibitor, like I did, would like to compare then all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jan
/Grau
sorry, forgot about that. i checked the timings yesterday and they are the same as on your card. forgot to take a screnshot.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOESA
i changed the timings and flashed the bios but that did not affect overclockability of the memory.
memory is "vdata"
okay that sucks, hmm gonna try it monday to flash it. and loosen all the timings, and see if it does anything, I got quimonda 2,5ns memory. Hope I figure out the vmem mod for my asus card to test if it helps, have not found the soldering points yet.
/Grau
@jan
we have the same crappy memory on the xfx card's overhere, only thing what realy helps is cooling the memory with extreme cold air, and sweetspot for the memory is 2.00-2.06v
I have just got home from work, and the leadtek card is finall here. woooooo!
also i am getting that voucher at work, so may end up getting the pny one as well. i am thinking on that one.
Anyway, card is here. gona put and it and get some overclocking done. Same card as Johnny, so seeming i am fairly new to mods, hopefully he can help. Already seem his vmods for the card.:up:
- Paul :D
That is the same on my card also. I have 2.5ns Samsung DDR2, really blows. Finally have some free time today so I'll re-bench my 8400GS and play with the timings. Here's to toasting/bricking a card :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by jan
Finally got my card today .
Jetway 8400GS - 512Mb - 459Mhz core - 900Mhz mem. Has Hynix mem, seems very different to most here, its on a larger board. Anyone have a clue as to vmods for this thing?
If you can snap a better picture of that IC on the top right of the card near that choke and those ICs left of the choke on the bottom left of the card.
Leadtek 8400GS TDH Extreme edition
Core / rop / shader / mem
500 / 500 / 1200 / 500(1000) = stock
3DMark03 = 7501 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5725134
- Paul
Nice default score! would very much like that card to be mine! wow, why don't they sell these in Denmark.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpikeP
/Grau
This any better?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
Top one, RT9232 is pin 5 FB and pin 7 ground. Cannot read the writing on the bottome one, what does it say?
Regards
Andy
i've found a cpu which is limiting the 8400gs :D :(
100% overclock on gpu :) but poor 01 score....
all aircooled
need a faster cpu and higher mem speeds on the card
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9332033
Jan, nice to see you have the XFX also. Be carefull with the voltage. Just like Rol-co and many others my card died above 2v.
But i've fixed my card so COUNT ME IN!
http://img.techpowerup.org/080209/84...ternalpsu1.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080209/84...ternalpsu2.jpg
max i did was 1000/2600/465mhz. Tomorrow its time for phase-change!
anyone with experience that could help me in this thread? found some new stuff regarding the vmem mod on the asus card, I don't know if its useful or not :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=176410
/Grau
It's the same as this EVGA I have here, only difference is the EVGA has 275MHz rated Infineon :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/evga_c.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/evga_b.jpg
No, I cant see my scores. I cant see anyone else's either when searching. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
So, is this how you're gonna put me in my place? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
Do you even have a card? :hehe:
Somehow I think Rol-Co has this wrapped up already with those clocks :up:
This is bottom one.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Update,
3D01: 26372 http://service.futuremark.com/result...reResultType=6
Still can't upload my 03 scores :shrug:
can anyone with the leadtek tdh extreme card measure the resistance on c710 and r605. they are just right of the the gpu vmod. lets just say i used a to biger soldering iron and now the card won't boot. Planning to get a miniture soldering iron soon. Maybe i will do better then. Anyway be great if someone can get the readings, or tell what to put in there place.
I haven't got a ORB score yet due to i can't seem to delete my previous 03 scores, thus can't upload them. However i do have a screenshot of 10,017 3dmark on 03, along with a gpu-z screenshot and cpu-z. Post it later on. I need to go to work!
- Paul
not yet m8 , 25k is easy but with a fx55 171fps nature atm ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
Just put my card in to play and having strange problems:(
Using latest drivers and latest Rivatuner, when i opened riva for first time after installing it said it didn`t recognise the card and may not work properly,try a newer version of rivatuner, i`m already using latest release:confused:
When i try to raise clocks and apply, it keeps reseting to default speeds. Tried fresh driver and riva install...no joy. Anyone have any ideas?
First 3Dm01 run:
20448 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9332485
Core at 720/1404 with 1.32V, cooled with Thermalright HR-05 :cool: 51°C idle, 56°C load
memory at 420 with 2.08V
I did the vmods but wanted to run on stock volts.
Haha, a Hr-05 for cooling a videocard? :D
Andy, I figured out why you cant see my scores I think.. 3dmark isnt reading my driver version it seems.
That is strange STEvil. I'm getting a bit dispondent about all these ORB glitches. I can't add Deanzo's and xoqolatl's score as the ORB is not up at the moment. :(
720 on core with 1.3+v is very good.
SpikeP, 13.6 and 18.7Kohms for 605 and 710. Yeah, you need a needle point not a spade type on your iron.
Regards
Andy
Sorry for crappy pic, parents went on holiday and took my camera:
http://profide.eu/files/hr05.jpg
zipties FTW :D
I was looking over NiBiTor and I'm slightly confused by it. I go into the detailed timings, change a few things, save the BIOS and re-open it to the same values as before. Is there a guide out there or does someone want to drop me a fat hint?
saving bios saves a file with bios dump. You have to flash the card with that file, usually done in DOS.
Well the strange bit is that when I re-open the BIOS I saved with NiBiTor it doesn't look like anything was done. That is the confusing part, do the convenient drop-down menus for the ram timings not work?
Same thing overhere with the xfx , memory timings won't stick....look like its working but isn't
I believe I got it working. What I did was using Timingset 0, I set all the timings, then I copied and pasted the hex values in all the input fields for each timing set so they were all identical. Somewhere along the line I did something right as NiBiTor now shows the timings changed from 24 30 18 6 6 6 3 to 30 35 22 8 8 8 5. All I simply did was loosen timings, now it's time to explore the various timings and tolerances.
nice , let me know if you gain any mhz on the memory...that would be nice. :)
An hour later and no improvement. I'm pretty certain I'm loosening the ram timings or atleast according to NiBiTor I am. I however am still hardlocked at 864MHz. Anything higher and the GPU doesn't render half of the screens. Loosening the timings did nothing, pumping 2.2-2.3v into the chips did nothing. I must have the worst clocking GDDR2 on the planet. Once my capacitors arrive I'll swap them out and see if that makes a difference but I doubt it. 900+MHz GPU crippled by subpar DDR2, it's great :D
I was lucky today. I had to use an alternative power supplier, so i hooked the card on the 3.3v of my second PSU. 3.3v drooped to 1.7v :S
So i decided to hook it up the 5v line, and it dropped to 3.0v which i was aiming for. One trace on the pcb got on fire, and burned the black paint of the card. So the trace is naked now, and the card still works :P
These Asus cards are sweet other than the crappy memory lol... 2.2 for 478mhz. Next step up is 486 and it crashes... more volts! ;)
3d01 22,560 810/1890/877 1.5v/2.2v vf700-cu (shader had more in it, could have run at or near 2000 lol).
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9332798
I wonder if nVstrap could be messing with the driver detection? I had bilinear forced on in rivatuner on those other runs (not this one) and I thought that might be doing it so I disabled it (sett to auto depending on app) but seems to not have had an effect...
Also how do I delete old results? :(
Ability to delete seems to be another thing that is broken currently unfortunately. Nice work with the gpu, shame about yours and gomelers memory holding back the 800+ cores.
Regards
Andy
Those leadtek extreme edition cards are pretty awesome.. i got one today that does 555 ram :D (quimonda 2ns ram)
now you tell me :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by oohms
Sorry dude, only found out today that they were this awesome ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I do have a feeling that there are hidden tweaks that will improve performance a lot clock for clock (going by my results vs what other people have got, especially in nature)
are you saying your or someone else has the tweaks??
Share the tweaks :D
Well I think I am in need of higher memory frequency, just toke the card to the guy that is gonna mod it, done tomorrow or the day after. But will get fun to see if I can get above 500mhz on my asus card, or else I found a leadtek Extreme here in Denmark, but abit expensive, but might give it a shot if the asus card is bad :)
/Grau
Haha now EVERYONE is getting on the Leadtek band wagon :p:
BTW tested my mods finally and if you use two 10Kohm resistors the initial voltages are 2.0V for the memory and 1.35Volts for the GPU. If you'd rather have a lower starting voltage for the memory use a 50Kohm resistor but be aware that you're voltage control will be coarser the further up you go.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo
Thanks for the update. I'm going to hazard a guess the Qimonda will not like too many volts so when I get around to do it then it will defo be closer to 10K.
I'm awaiting an Sli 780i board for some 8600GT testing today so I am not sure when I am going to be able to bench tjhe 8400Gs next, really I should do it first on the P5K board.
Regards
Andy
Those are highly likely to be software tweaks that reduce the LOD / texture level down, miore so than simple Rivatuner LOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by oohms
Regards
Andy
Not me, refering to the 8400GS comp where they only tested nature (and got 170+ fps :eek: )Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
From what i hear, unlocking the extra pipes in rivatuner has no effect but slightly increases scores. I have only done +3.0 LOD so far. (No time :( )
unlocking extra pipes in RivaTuner resulted in no image in Windows. Just black screen forever... even in safe mode and after reinstalling drivers.
Yeah thats what happend when I swapped my 8400gs after unlocking the hidden thing with my 7900GTO, just didn't show picture, had to put bach the 8400gs and uninstall rivatuner.
/Grau
Just got my LeadTek Extreme in from NewEgg today. Giving it a little run around before I go to work tonight. Than tomorrow I spend all day benching. :D
I did something I said I would never do and used a pencil mod on the 21b resistor because I was too lazy to solder it and I'm glad I did. The more volts I gave it the worse it got and now I have gone back down to 1.87v as at 2.24v it was not even stable in windows. I'm getting sick of lobby hanging on me as well .. it probably has again while I am inside typing this. At least with a v mod you can get rid of it by use of a cotton bud. Unless you have metallic ear wax of course. What, you mean I should have used a clean bud ?! wow, now you tell me ... :D :yepp:
The gpu volt mod is ok, 1.88v and no problems, hit 800Mhz before getting sidetracked with the memory.
Regards
Andy
Leadtek 837/2108/550-565 1.88v gpu 1.86v mem stock heatsink E8500 468x9.5 stock heatsink 4-4-4-12 1:1
27779 points http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9333264
Regards
Andy
PS Futuremark will have a fix for scores not appearing soon.
My qimonda maxes out at 2.2v, anything more just makes it less stable.... 2.5 gives instant artifacts lol ;)
On the plus side my card clocks a lot better on the core/shader than yours andy ;)
EDIT.. new scores ;)
2K1: 22,904 810/1998/477 1.6/2.2 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9333287
2k3: 9,064 837/2106/475 1.65/2.2 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5728150
I figured out how to delete results. Go to single result, then select which one you want to delete and the delete option will be right next to "mark as favorite"
What can you're card do at stock voltage, gpu and shader i mean. My XFX does 700/1700 @ 1.29 vgpu, thats stock voltage.
This might be interesting:
-Clockspeed goes in steps of 9mhz
-Shaderclock goes in steps of 54mhz.
they are benching subzero with monster clocksQuote:
Originally Posted by oohms
Dinos, have you looked at the hardware.info compo subforum? It's amazing what some guys did with there cards. I'm a bit unlucky with the fact i have to feed my GPU external. Rol-co made an amazing GPU PSU for his card.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Some guys are making ghetto LN2/dice tubes, others are on phase.
link would be nice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
subforum
http://www.hardware.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=115
Photo's
http://www.hardware.info/forum/showthread.php?t=138060
Cooling
http://www.hardware.info/forum/showt...=137651&page=6
Scores < 3dm01 Nature
http://www.hardware.info/benchmarks/cnFx/view/
69x/1690 on stock 1.24vQuote:
Originally Posted by ownage
They dont always step by those amounts either i've found.
I'm stuck at 475-477 for memory, changing timings in nibitor gets me nowhere!! :(
I keep getting a message that I don't have permission to access that part of the forum. I guess it's only for people who entered the contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
looks like Rolco has some serious tweaks or his runs are bugged on that motherboard....
crazy nature FSB :shocked: :shocked:
He has serious clocks ;)
i've maxed out what the vf700-cu and 50cfm 80mm fan are going to give me with 18c ambient temps lol... scores up in a few. Also 6-3-3-3-3-3 timings are only good for about 50-70 points over stock 6-6-6-6-6-3 timings :(
Heres the gpu mod for your card vendetta, same for 256 EVGA :up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../gs_core_a.jpg