Drivers optimization really shows in these graphs!!
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Drivers optimization really shows in these graphs!!
yeah thats old drivers mate..
Thank you,Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
But by the way, what's wrong with my PC P&C? No problems with it at all, decent quality, 750W...so why spend another $200 on a new one? It's not like I'm using crossfire, so I have plenty of power to spare....
Keep in mind this is an aging system....QX9650 @ 4 ghz....still unsure how the P5W DH will handle a 6970...guess I'll find out in a few days :P
I'm already going to buy a new PSU for either my sandy Bridge or i7 990X/995 build (whichever is fastest and overclocks the best), so why buy two? :/
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-rade...w/10474-1.html oops sorry doulble post
Results are all over the place, it seems. Looking forward to TR, TPU, Anand, HC.
im suprised anand hasnt got one up, thats the only review im looking forward too, almost most in depth!
Gonna go ahead and sum up what games will do what right now
Games that will be Nvidia wins:
Lost Planet 2
HAWX 2
Battleforge
Games that will be AMD wins:
F1 2010
Games that will be neck and neck:
Crysis
Resident Evil 5
Games that will show immense improvement for 6970 over 5870:
Stalker:CoP
Dirt 2 (minimum FPS)
Metro 2033
You do, no doubt about that. Just use the adapters provided with the card. Or buy in the market, if you're unhappy about the quality of adapters. Infact i'll recommend another use for your money. Order two HD6950's (head right now to newegg), instead of one HD6970. :welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
On other note. HD 6970 was too sweet a deal to miss for me... single slot mobo, as yet. So i got that XFX flavoured one ordered for me :D I'll see when Antille pops up, if i could upgrade :P
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/12/...second-switch/
Cayman has 2520 shaders
:D
benchmarkreviews.comQuote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
vr-zone.com
From the pictures on newegg .. it would seem that Sapphire is the only one giving out a mini-dp->dp converter? Or is everyone giving these out?
I noticed that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Bullet
Actually RE5 is pretty much neck and neck in the 2560x1600 category on Vr-zone - I was going off the 5870 being awfully close at high res as well, forgot the 580Quote:
Originally Posted by -=DVS=-
Well i was comparing 1920x1200. It's closest to my monitors res 1080p. Anyway this is boring neither 580 nor 6970 is a worthwhile upgrade for me. Where is that Keplar.
if i was to upgrade it probly go a 570 as it runs cooler and less heat, or pick up 2x 6950s..Quote:
Originally Posted by -=DVS=-
wow if this is true then hell yes..Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
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What does it do? Easy enough, it swaps the shader count. The 'normal' count is 1920 for a 205W 6970 card, and the switch opens up the full force of all 2520 shaders. The reason this switch is set to 'low' is that between the clock speed advances, 730MHz/1920 shaders to 920MHz/2520 shaders, it blows the card through the 300W cap for PCIe cards.
This switch is an elegant way of going from sub-GTX570 performance to way way way over GTX580 performance, and still getting PCIe certification. Very slick guys, well done. If you don't have the right drivers though, the switch does basically nothing, which is why those who bough the card retail haven't seen the results they think they should get.
lol if thats true we might see a few burned out PSUsQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
None of the reviews have even mentioned this ... so hard to see what the performance would be like (though I'd agree .. it be one hell of an upgrade).Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
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Nice to see some info finally and everyone can come back to reality. Guess things will tone down a bit now that gpu final exams for the year are over with.
Good performance for a good price but I really think they should have set the bar just a little higher for cayman.
The war front moves on to Sandy Bridge and Bulldozer now! :)
They're available on Newegg. Booyah, bought one two minutes after launch.
The prices were legit. $370 for the 6970, $300 for the 6950.
Learn to read, actually read the article. It's nothing but a joke and some people seem set on believing that it's real.Quote:
What does it do? Easy enough, it swaps the shader count. The 'normal' count is 1920 for a 205W 6970 card, and the switch opens up the full force of all 2520 shaders. The reason this switch is set to 'low' is that between the clock speed advances, 730MHz/1920 shaders to 920MHz/2520 shaders, it blows the card through the 300W cap for PCIe cards.
This switch is an elegant way of going from sub-GTX570 performance to way way way over GTX580 performance, and still getting PCIe certification. Very slick guys, well done. If you don't have the right drivers though, the switch does basically nothing, which is why those who bough the card retail haven't seen the results they think they should get.
Proof? Charlie himself even hinted at it.
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Wow. So after 140+ pages of rumors, it ends in disappointment. Makes me wonder if Bulldozer is going to be a bust. lol
Ahahaha, finally it's unveiled, thx God. :D
Now, i can keep my posting right & actually win my bet, but honestly, not in the best way i could have hoped for. Certainly nice value proposition, but i will actually be happier with a US$ 449 Cayman XT that's performing at ~GTX 580 level. :rolleyes:
This all over the places performance test result, one has to wonder whether it was because of immature driver, or the character of the mArch itself. Glass half full or empty case i guess. :cool:
Nice cards for the price, AMD is doing great, keep up the good work, both camps look good this time, but we need a bit better pricing from nvidia.
+1 :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ichime
Not as much as the 580GTX :welcome::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by ichime
Yes... i'm hugely disappointed, disappointed that i won't get a blow-job after paying as much as i did for a 6970 :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBreezyBB
Short of that, it does pawn (performance/ price wise) a GTX580 in major dx11 game benchies as per hardocp :P and true... if 6970 was a letdown, then what would one call NVIDIA's GTX480/ 580? Apparently people are saying, OCUK sold more 6970's in under 24 hours than GTX580's from launch to date :rofl: :ROTF:
That was to be expected anyway. Seeing a lot of people disappointed in the new cards is no surprise at all :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by tifosi
$120 in savings over GTX 580 can go really far in Tijuana...just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by tifosi
double
:ROTF: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
Well, i need nothing more than a HD6970 and i'm a pretty happy customer for the power in the punch it packs in :D and yes, $120 in savings was a major consideration. I did wonder about buying the GTX580 with the accelero cooler for about $580. Given that, the savings are unprecedented (close to $200).
Now the funny part... this is only my second graphic part which i've bought. The first was 7600GS, yes A LONG TIME AGO :ROTF: Then i got a 4870 (free) for close to a year and then a 7900GS (again free) and still in use since 4870 was taken away. Now 1920x1200 in all games seems playable :D and i bought this alright :up:
Based on nothing!!! Did you just ignore what I had posted. I had explained my reasons. There was certainly not nothing, considering other information available at the time and rumors at the time. The delay and non availability of the card was also a reason for this since everyone was expecting the card in november.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
And my recent change in shift has is because performance numbers have shown disappointing results and the large large number of cards they apparently have.
People take a dump on nvidia like its cool and do it in a far more trolling manner. Its very consistent and it is in a Nvidia thread, why don't you hammer on them when their attitude is far less realistic and they are doing simply for the reason of trolling. I never use emoticons or even egg people on directly. I have never said anything directly bad about a company like AMD or NV or Intel sucks. I say negative things about both companies's but only when there is some evidence at the time to direct it as so. I say positive things about AMD when they merit it as with any other company.
As I said, anytime I say something controversial I explain my reason's clearly. I am not doing it to troll and if a person wants an explanation I will give it to them. I do not simply say something obvious without thinking about it. My often long responses show that and I do give thoughts into what I say.
I was hoping they could make something 5%-10% faster than the gtx 580 at 450-500. I would definitely pay that 100 dollars more for 20% more performance. As it is, it is just AMD version of the gtx 570 with better performance in 2560 and lower or similar performance everywhere else. I will admit I was wrong on the price, but its priced simply appropriately against the competition. I expected more from the 6970 as did everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
seriously tajoh i didnt expect more .. i did expect a card to trade blow but for cheaper and thats what amd gave us ...
I don't see a card that trades blows with the gtx 580, it consistently loses to the gtx 580. It trades blows with the gtx 570 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
You had to expect a more. 50% + bigger die than Barts and a new architecture. I don't even think that gtx 580 is that fast, hence why AMD could be able to beat it. It wouldn't be a super easy task but I thought AMD could do it considering they were using a new architecture. The bare minimum I expected of the 6970 was it to beat the gtx 480(by a tiny margin) and it just does that(the bare minimum) and that it. With Nvidia lineup and AMD lineup and their respective pricing, Nvidia doesn't have to lift a finger with pricing, which to me marks a disappointing launch. AMD prior launches for the last while had Nvidia dropping their prices left and right. They did it with barts, but it doesn't look like they are going to do anything with the high end.
Based on nothing you say? What about the few weeks delay then? I'm sure that was just a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
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Originally Posted by tajoh111
real reviews with updated drivers i say will tell us the big picture ...
10.12 more Performance more Performance :clap: :rofl: :ROTF:
lol immmmmmmm I think 10.12a/b/c/d/e/f/g will come with big Performance :banana:
Don't count on miracle drivers to save the day
Only the latest 8.851.1.0 brings performance tweaks and improvements.
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/189/plumberk.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Amd has the best arch of all time yooo lol seriously what a let down of a card seems its pointless to wait for amd offerings they always end up in sec place
http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-08/13063_troll.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
That what I thought about the gtx 480. In the end, it only got 3 or 4%. It was 14% faster than a 5870 initially and is now maybe a few points better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
For driver improvement I will try to be hopeful because I still can't see AMD screwing up this badly, but reality probably says for a single card, maybe 5% at best and that is not going to happen overnight.
AMD obviously wanted this card to be faster. A beefed up cooler, larger chip and 2x the memory(which is faster and more expensive) and likely a more complex PCB to deal with the power and they charge less than the initial prices of a 5870. Considering how little money they made on the 58xx generation, it doesn't make sense for them to decrease their margins.
If antilles can be 600 dollars and have a non reduced spec'ed 6970(I don't care about power, I bought a ax1200 for that and it is still in the box waiting for a new videocard), I would consider buying that.
But as is, I can see even NV competing pretty well and releasing a deal card to deal with antilles.
Something tells me we won't be seeing so much improvements because the card only has 1536 shaders or 384 real shaders even though I want to believe there is more there. Frigg, I bought a ax1200 and a corsair 800d for a new monster videocard and it has been sitting here for the last six months, nothing really warrants its because we haven't really had any real monster cards(the 5970 was close back in the day, but the specs were reduced like crazy).
Well, I'm pretty much sold on the 6970. :yepp:
Usually I would buy an XFX in a heartbeat, but 2 things stopping me:
1) Only 6970 on newegg for $380.
2) "Warranty void if removed" stickers covering the screws for the GPU backplate. Which means if you want to watercool it, you quite possibly are looking at no warranty.
Sapphire is looking mighty tasty.
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Originally Posted by tajoh111
new architecture .. and fermi is just a full fermi of what we were supose to get 1 year ago ... so amd still has room to improve ...
i wouldnt discount it so fast
but on the other end nvidia allready milked their arch .. and the added performance was due to the added hardware on their 570 and 580 ...
so give amd some time
ocuk said it best, outselling Nvidia by a ton.
That's exactly what was said for the X1900 and then the HD2900... I'm VERY disappointed with the performance of this card, could you imagine the difference if AMD had gone for 1920SP? Still it's a good card but I think the GTX570 and GTX580 came out of nowhere and just makes this card look like rubbish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
Must also consider that the 6990 is just around the corner and whilst I don't doubt it'll be clocked lower than the 6970 I'm sure performance will be where we expect it to. Wonder why the card was delayed for soo long, any bets on TSMC messing things up again?
And no chance of getting these cards before Christmas now :o, real **** up at AMD!!
TSMC isn't to fault - there are plenty of cards.
The delay in Cayman delayed Antilles since its based on Cayman. Anandtech hinted though that Antilles has a lot more nifty features as a platform for future dual GPUs though
½Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
What do you mean by vertically? Is my 5850 vertically? lulz.
@ ^ = try beat 6970
460 @ 950/1100
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/1738/4609501100.jpg
Oh I was just messin with ya. ;)
You have a cavern of a case. I don't think you have anything to be worried about.
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Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
amd bad with driver optimisation .. but nvidia good right???
What's wrong with this card? It's faster than the previous generation and faster than the newly released 570. It's between -15% and parity with the 580 as well and for $140 less. You also get more video memory which is always nice for AA, AF, and games making use of large texture sets. You also get improved crossfire scaling versus previous generations. It's a good step forward even if not a major one. This is what we were told to expect. "Rubbish"? Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
Getting a card before Christmas isn't a question. Mine will be here tomorrow, thanks.
Lol, I see you're sticking to your own guidelines. Btw, the 6970 isn't faster than the 570. They both get their lumps in but it's a wash.Quote:
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Hope GTX 560 and GTX 595 will not bring more damage :(
If they do AMD will drop prices. ;) So that would be welcome, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
I was not talking on consumer side but that's for sure zalbard :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
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Originally Posted by Olivon
antilles Q1 release .... so amd allready has a dual gpu card answer in case galaxy decide to do their dual gpu card ...
For the 2900 ok .. but X1900XTX and X1950XTX ? where those cards was under performer against the Nvidia one ? sorry i have maybe some memory problem ( it's not like it was yesterday after all ) ...Quote:
Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
for 6970. hum i wait too see crossfire test allready vs 580 ( have see only 2 but no direct comparaison with 580 - 570SLI ) and Overclocker results . ( the anandtech let see some good thing allready, without proper cap profile )
For driver thing, when i don't hope for miracle, there's anyway some strange information of disfunctionnement, when the card make a good job in some games, it take the dive in some other, games with similar engine ( can be due to a bad choice, or just cause the card have not enough SP for make the difference with previous generation ).
When it's coming from the same people, that hyped the card to no end, I would be really careful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
They are so blinded by fanboyism, that they can't see, that instead of helping AMD, they are severely hurting their image.
There's nothing wrong with these cards, definitely nothing that can't be fixed with better pricing.
So they're not faster than the competition. Who cares, if you like what you get for their price?
Well now that i read several reviews, in general gaming, it is not so espectacular, but it seems it did quite some progress were it was lacking.. tesselation.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2...en19201200.gif
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3...en25601600.gif
I think it was a good launch, of course not the kind of domination people hyped for, but there is so much it can be done in the same process
And what about cranking that tesselation level up ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnJohn
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/b5a8062...47c03ead4e.jpg
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But on that note while the 6970 does well at moderate tessellation levels, at extreme tessellation levels it still falls to the more potent GTX 400/500 series.
And what if you buy a ferrari to drive on a gravel road? Utterly pointless also? Yeah that's what I thought. Nv aren't too smart tesselating scenes that are practically invisible to the human eye and makes no sense.
As far as overall performance, Cayman falls in line perfectly, as AMD still has the performance lead with hemlock and it's a year old! :D Besides, this hard launch schools nv on how to do a real hard launch. Cayman cards seem to outnumber fermi by at least 10 to 1. Gibbo from ocuk commented that he's sold more 6900's in preorder than he has 570's overall! :)
Regarding strictly rumours :
nApoleon, neliz : -1 :(
PHK : +1 :yepp:
What did they get wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6...a1ec10eedd.gif
Cayman i will :bananal:you up:mad:
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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-03/...roll_spray.jpg
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/fd2b6ef...b5631554d6.jpg
Time to close that thread ...
So no info about 8.851 yet?
1+ :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Hmm what to do now....
I'll grant you that the definition of "garbage" is debatable, but it seems way outside of realistic discourse for this topic. The 6970 is indeed faster than the 570, so I'm not sure where you're going with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
Wait for 11.1Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
lot of people are hired by nvidia to spread fud on forums.
so does 6970 have 1920 sps or not ??
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
that makes me sad ... very sad .....
There's always next October :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
There will be another AMD hype speculation thread with wild rumors. I'm convinced AMD will always go for smaller efficient low cost chip strategy forever despite what pre hype rumors will say.
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/01f9bae...55b9b01fce.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by eric66
Give it 6 months and you might have the 1920 version out. AMD's 580GTX :p:
As long as Antilles or any dual gpu card exist in the pipeline, I wouldn't put money on it. That goes for future generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by tdream
Not necessarily, all dual cards are based on the single card performance which has it's own market. It's not like they'll stop making single card gpus in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
Going 1920sps would mean going outside their small efficient single chip strategy. Since they started the dual gpu card as halo card strategy they've stuck to it. This epic long thread and others like it across the net is proof that it will be wishful thinking for them to deviate.Quote:
Originally Posted by tdream
i think theres room for two more cards, 6980 and 6990; one 1920 and one dual gpu. Jan will be an interesting month thanks to ces.
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Originally Posted by Monkeywoman
Will be interesting to see MSRP for Antilles. . I would love to see it happen myself but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Cayman XT $379
Cayman XT refresh with more SPs $470?
Antilles $600?
I think your missing the point? They didnt go with there new architecure because tsmc fooked them around so they had to stick to there current 45nm instead of moving forward and had to cut back the shader count... I say wait for 6990 instead of turning this thread into a flame war..Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
For the people waiting on drivers to fix the performance, we're still waiting on those for the 2900xt aswell! :p:
These cards are decent enough to make me question purchasing a GTX570, which I wanted really badly up until this morning. Now I'm wondering if the extra memory and maybe a little better performance is worth losing folding power and display capabilites for. Seriously tough decision:shrug:
You gave your own evidence for driver improvments. How did the GTX 480 go from 15-20% faster than the 5870 at launch to less than that since then? And that's including the fact more Nvidia friendly titles have been released since (e.g. LP2, HAWX2).Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Hint: the 5870 got some major boosts
Big difference is that the 2900XT's were quickly shelved/forgotten... they were around only 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigchrome
Biggest evidence for driver changes is the fact that 69xx performance ranges everywhere from well above 5870 to only 5870 and occasionally below. Methinks the change from VLIW5->VLIW4 is a big issue, because code has been so heavily optimized for VLIW5 since 4800's AND 5800's have been using it. Makes no sense for 384 SIMD card to be less than 320 SIMD unless there's some issues with compiling vector instructions
See: 5870 release scores/benches (below 4870X2 performance) to today's #'s (just 10-20% below the 480/570 depending on the review you look at).
Also, what display capabilities are you looking for? If you're going single card, there isn't much display wise the 570's can do the 69xx's cant at this point
If you base your purchase on hopes for driver improvement keep in mind one thing, by the time drivers got optimized , new cards got released. And that's a long time to wait, by then it won't matter anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
What they did is massively improve the back end of the design ,all on 40nm.Now all they will do is use 28nm to scale up SP count,IMO big time. I can see 2xVLIW4 we have in Cayman,with 28nm version of NI. They are already awfully close to 580GTX with Cayman XT,especially in high resolution new DX11/tessellation heavy games. If AMD and NV effectively double the compute power with next gens,we may have a deja vu next year:AMD having 5-10% less performance with 36-40% smaller die- a clear design efficiency advantage at the same node.
In other words different die same relative performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Nvidia = top performing at premium price
AMD single gpu high end = Performance for dollar @+/-10%
2011 = new thread, new year, same speculation:p:
"AMD Antilles DUAL GPU info (or rumor) thread- NO FANBOYS ALLOWED :D
If i am not mistaken at 28nm will be Keplar, new arch. If AMD keeps same arch just doubles shaders it might be different ball game vs Keplar.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3793/nvidiakepler.jpg
That Kepler should now read 2012 since its delayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by -=DVS=-
6970 because of Bitstreaming audio.