It's a fairly accurate guess in that shop. I'd put it at about 85-90% range.
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It's a fairly accurate guess in that shop. I'd put it at about 85-90% range.
perhaps? of course it is! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
hmmm well i so far saw it as ati doing a bad job at creating r600 and doing a great job at fixing r600 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
well he insisted on the nov launch, then he insisted on a december launch... i guess he got tired of people mocking him and is now spanking nvidia for playing games with him :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
this was such a typical nvidia pr move, and this is so exactly why no press in the world likes and trusts nvidia heh... i wonder if they will ever change :D
well it better be considering it comes out almost a year after 5970 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
huh? G80 stomped ati into the ground and offered a huge performance boost over the previous generation... fermi is already late, will come out even later, will not stomp ati, and will not offer a huge performance boost... i dont see any corelations :PQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
rofl, what? are you serious? bsing the investors, end users, press, holding up DIY prototypes claiming they are the real deal, and not releasing any information whatsoever is good marketing? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by fiskov
what does the 800xt pe have to do with this? it was a slightly overclocked version of a card that was available everywhere... that was some terrible attempt at marketing as well, although im not even sure that was intentional... and i dont get why so many people complained about the availability of the 800xtpe and the 850xtpe... i wanted an 850xtpe and bought not only one but two... all while several websites claimed it wasnt available anywhere and impossible to get :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by fiskov
yes... i HATE CCC... god i hate it so much...Quote:
Originally Posted by fiskov
but just when i was about to give nvidia another try, they switched to a browser style driver interface... :rolleyes:
sigh... i dont see why its so hard to NOT SCREW UP A WELL WORKING DRIVER INTERFACE...
i can see why many companies struggle to create one, but having one and screwing it up... amazing work there nvidia and ati :clap:
i think they all have the same infos, its just that some consider faster than 5870 SUPERFAST and others dont :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tim
totally agree! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
i got 2 260s in sli and i gotta say...i keep wondering why i have a second 260 in the rig :shrug:
sure, it helps to keep the fps steady above 60 in far cry2 in 1920x1080 with max eye candy... but i dont feel a difference... the only difference i feel are the weird sli bugs and stuttering and flickering every now and then... which i didnt have with two G92s in sli btw!
so yeah, the real question right now is... do we really need a faster gpu right now? if nvidia or ati would ask me what i want, id say:
get me G92/rv770 performance at below 20W, or G200/rv770 performance at 99$
4-6 month = 5770 100$Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
QFT. It baffles the mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
without any competition from nvidia? i dont know... :/Quote:
Originally Posted by ~CS~
especially since they could have supported both, the old and the new, but after some time they removed and blocked the old interface... :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by hurleybird
just dont support it, and if something is broken, then its broken... but how can you castrate your product and remove a feature so many customers use? :shakes:
well it's obvious now that NV has fed Fudzilla with launch FUD as a base for their articles. They end up ridiculous (as I've warned them) and naturally they can't feel comfortable now... sobering is never easy and w/o consequences ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Teemax
or... you can cut number of partners to feed remaining?! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
it was a matter of time! How would you feel if NV was telling you that GT300 will be out in Nov/Dec, and then turned up being spit-wall protecting the real source of FUD - NV!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerwidh
What's "Daddy"?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
that's not how Hohn and Fiskov are seeing it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
hand them what? the price for the most postponed HW after R600, LRB, and Boeing Dreamliner ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fiskov
those are harsh words! that kind of loyalty is actually quite common... it's almost natural for the people!Quote:
Originally Posted by InCredible
When I dig dipper in to my choice of loyalty I can come out with bunch of reasons, but key ones are the fact that hardware that I'm loyal to I've cached out from my own money in the years of grates crises, and that HW served me without glitch for many years... when t I've gathered more money I've again went for AMD... and when I've got in the line of business that allowed "hardware promiscuity" :D I've switched sides from time to time, but eventually always returning to the roots ;)
I would call that pure and simple math :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
didn't mean to sound harsh but its true..and its not the fact that you switch from time to time..i spend money on whatever is worth it at the time..usually the best of either side..but when some people are so loyal as to throw their hard earned money on an inferior product just because of the badge it wears, that i think is retarded...both manufacturers have their ups and downs.. and when you jump on a new tech/arch theres going to be issues..even as great as the 8800gtx was it still had issues on launch..same goes for the 4870x2(ive owned both around launch time and had issues with both) however both pulled through after some driver updates and performed great...however i just killed my 4870x2 with a water accident :( so now my next card will be whichever seems best for the money..i might possibly wait til fermi release since its not TOO far away plus i dont have 400-500 to drop on a card right now..but ill consider both to see which will get my hard earned money...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
Depends on how you define "inferior product". If it's just based on benchmark graphs, then yeah that's easy. But in reality people place value on experience, familiarity and peace of mind. That's what brand loyalty gets you.
as i still own an 8800gtx i find myself in more and more trouble than when 8800gtx was new. I actually feel that nvidia only concentrates on fixing the newer cards and don't care about the older ones. Right now i cant play Mw2 when my tv set is connected cus i get blue screen.. I dont trust either of companies cus they only wants to make money...
Point taken, guess even FUD has to face reality at some point :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
Yup, agree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
Why would it be nV's fault? Lets assume for a second that they would have said to Fudo : we might launch it there and then, then you can be pretty sure Fudo would fantasize on that and make a big story about it how it will definitely come out at said time. I don't necessarily trust both, and I think they can both be full of it, I just do not think it's solely nVidia's doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
News flash: EVERY company wants to make money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillo-kun
I'm expecting big things from Fermi, but the more I wait, the more I'm reminded of the hype surrounding R600.
fudo doesnt make up stuff... ever... he misunderstands things, he exaggerates, but most of the time he gives back pretty exactly what somebody has told him... and its no secret that nvidia pr told EVERYBODY that they will have a hard launch in november, and then said they will have a hard launch in december... i think you can even find those old posts on nvidias twitter account, lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
its not like fudo made up the november or december fermi launch lol...
Say what? Link to NVIDIA's Twitter post or it didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
vaporware
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This post helps with the stated problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by LedHed
O wait so does mine!
Either you don't have inside information as claimed, or performance is worse then I'd hoped (>=30% faster). As to which is true, I'll wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zed_X
As for that graph, it's horrible. Why would you compare all resolutions on high end cards when they are going to be CPU bound at anything but the top resolutions? Midrange cards cover lower resolutions just fine. These cards are for cranking up the res/AA. 20-23% faster then 5870 isn't really "a little under 5970", more like half way between the two:
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/519...0x12008xaa.png
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/371...0x16004xaa.png
there is definilty some truth that a person who spends 600$ on video cards, should be running them at 1920x1080 minimumQuote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
From what it looks like, he's just taking the PR slides and transposing the information to the chart...
everywhere in Europe cost HD5970 USD 800! and more!
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/produc...=56&subid=1577
and in USA - 600-700! Where is USD 500?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...on%20HD%205970
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Originally Posted by Zed_X
England isn't really a good basis for Europe... it's overpriced on EVERYTHING..
they will drop to 500 i expect the moment gf100 is coming (maybe a few days before) to make price/perf dominate.....
i dont think ati where really expecting nvidia to take this long... therefore no need to drop from launch prices as people still buying them.. :)
Why are you looking for it at $500?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zed_X
That isn't MSRP...
HD5970 is around $700 here in Turkey.
A few points about GTX 380. No doubt it'll be compared to 5970 like hell, so pre-emptive strike:
The Facts
1. It's gonna draw about 50W lower than 5970 in load, which is good.
2. It's a single GPU without all the microstuttering / scaling problems of 5970, which is good.
3. It has massive GPGPU performance and PhysX, which is good.
Now, there are hundreds of rumors but the "25% faster than HD5870" looks consistent. It would make GTX 380 about 15% slower than HD5970. In this thread, Zed_X mentioned earlier that it performs great on Unigine benchmark so maybe its tessellation performance is better than Cypress / Hemlock too. Don't think we're gonna see hundreds of tessellated titles in the next years, but still it's an advantage.
If everything I wrote above is correct, I'd say that 380 would be a good product if it was priced about HD5970 pricepoint. But if Nvidia does that and AMD lowers 5800/5900 price points, Fermi fill indeed be a (huge) flop.