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Fake or not, we need competition... badly.
I just felt this needed a bump for extra attention. This is significant news yet it has mostly gone ignored for the last page!Quote:
Originally Posted by Florinmocanu
Can't wait for Larrabee!
Nordichardware says it's fake, according to their sources.
http://www.nordichardware.se/nyhet,17011.html
(swedish)
You do realise it was a joke right? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n
IF these were real leaks, just like with anything released by a company you DO NOT compare it to the opposition. What you would do is compare it to the 295. Since you know they are not going to post bad scores of their own hardware
Taking that into consideration it peforms what about 30-40% better than a 295.
With most review sites using updated drivers now, I am seeing plenty of results where the 5970 DOUBLES 295 performance. Not 30-40% 100%!
Now before any ATI guys go shouting from the roof tops that 5970 is king and still will be in 6 months... these 300 series are speculation ATM, until someone actually has them in hand and can bench them, it is all FUD. 300 series could double 295 performance as well.
LOL at the larry benchmark :)
Actually I prefer this one! :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuromancer
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/173/1long20006.jpg
Your pic and link doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadov
S3 doing a slightly unexpected comeback, coming from out of the blue and kicking everyone's butt? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadov
Biggest clue that this is fake if you were to look at a glance: GeForce GTX 300
They will be calling it GF100 sorry to burst your bubble (anyone that bought into this).
Ummm. I thought GF100 is the internal codename and it will be released in the GTX-300-series. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to rename the GT 210 to GT 310 :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
close this thread !
Why?????:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by vietthanhpro
All one has to do is stop reading and replying to it and it will kill it's self.... hmm,:idea: people must like this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by vietthanhpro
+1:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
umm....Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
At least simple people are not confused with ATIs codenames Being all large conifers :)
:up::up: (+2)Quote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
It wouldn't surprise me to find that Stanbony and R3APERvsTYETREE of YouTube created those benchmarks.
Huge Nvidia fanboys, they posted the fake Fermi benchmarks that appeared before 5870's launch and the word screw :banana::banana::banana::banana: up :)
Except that you wouldn't have to hope or wonder about the legitimacy of these graphs if you actually had a source. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Yes you are right I made a mistake but its not 'gtx' anymore. Anyone under NDA or if the person made that should have known Nvidia officially said they are moving away from GTX name. Its internal GF100 and and speculated to be called GT 380 /GT 360 by nvidia focus members on couple forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
if the benches arent real then whys amd preparing 5890/5990 for fermi arrival ??
no need for them spend time/resources for pointless releases
theyll need pumped up 5890/5990 for fermi arrival
Umm, because like everyone else they know that Fermi will be faster than 5870 or there would be no point in even launching it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
not because AMD thinks this bench is real :cool:
Yeah , the source said GTX380 Performance is much higher :D:p::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeMaan
OCUK got in trouble last year for leaking i7 975 and 4890 numbers (which I verified). So if these come from OCUK (they are a reasonable sized PC/Component shop) so it is feasible that they have one in for testing. However, I will wait and see until I have a card on my bench or at least more reliable sources.
If benchs aren't real that does not mean fermi will not beat the 5870/5970, it just means that the benchs shown are not real.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Fermi has the potential to beat 5870... ATi is simply covering their bases, if fermi is faster than 5870, 5890 may come close to fermi and if its faster than 5970, 5990 maybe the replay.
But this time the OCUK forum member has total of 12 posts...!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
LOOOL :rofl: I fell off my chair when reading this LOOL :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
How come that guy is still in those forums lol Hes believing that the guy named "successful troll" has some internal relations with nVidia LOL And hes believing in that guys name LOL Do you dream about the guy in your avatar or its you?
The benchmarks were posted in the forums by a member who joined in november (if i remember correctly) and it is very possibly the same person who posted the other benchmarks in the tomshardware forums a day before (which were proved to be fake)Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
I think AMD/ATI knows better than anybody of us how good Fermi will be. My guess is that GTX380 is of course faster than HD-5870 and GTX395 (Dual GPU) faster than HD-5970. That's what they might need HD-5990 for ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Why would there be no point in launching it?Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
That means that AMD should pack up shop and go home because they do not have an i7 killer yet? Or that they should not improve their current line up because people should just get an Intel chip?
I disagree with that. I hope Fermi does come out sooner than expected, and performs better than expected, it should drive ATi to improve their line up and/or drop prices on what they have. I am riding hte 4800 series train right now :)
As a "last gen" GPU buyer, when Fermi is released prices should drop enough on the 200 series that I should get to play with a few of them too :) Or, be able to afford a 5800 series after they lower their prices too :)
Ati fears fermi like the devil the holy water.
If we assume that the devil and as well Fermi exists that might be true. Its always good to know what competition is up to... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arxagelos
Well there you have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
Memory bandwith will become more and more important down the road, and hopefully make them rethink their entire pipelines, both HW and SW. They'll need something of a XDR2/wider buses or both. Bigger buckets, small pipes just doesn't work anymore.
True, maybe they are just being smarter about leaking it this time...Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
Lets get real, YES the GTX380 will be faster than the 5870 otherwise nVidia would loose a lot of money. But thers no way that the GTX380 beats the 5970 by that amount just not logical. I mean, How come the 380 with its very large die size with 40nm is only using ~200w? There is physics laws to take into consideration. And the 380 will not cost anything less than 500$ with that large die size, trust me nVidia would be loosing money. Both company's use sideshows with performance indicator : 1.2x performance, 1.5x... not showing the fps like that slideshow posted by "successful troll". I am curious to know 003 how nVidia will be able to produce a Dual Fermi without really going low on specs and clocks? Not logical again. Really, if those bench's are for real, then, don't get disappointed, the Fermi will not see the light of the day until 3-4 months and then we can speculate about the HD6xxx launch.Oh yeah, how come thers no Crysis and DX11 benchmarks which are the main selling point of those cards?
yeah i bet they do :ROTF: not that it is frightening like nvidias current situationQuote:
Originally Posted by Arxagelos
because of the size of Fermi. If they had to price it below 5870 it would be very costly to them I would assume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuromancer
Where as with AMD. They are able to at least make a little money with there CPU's thanks to the higher prices of I7 platform.
whats the size of the ATI's?
Ugh all these new people coming into this thread saying 'if it's real' or anything like that.. please atleast read the first few pages before posting. It's annoying reading new posts that repeat what everyone has said :down:
Im just resuming everything in one post ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n
rv870 330 mm^2Quote:
Originally Posted by kurt124
Fermi something around 500 mm^2
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n
Every post that comments on it must include the caveat "If it's real" otherwise they will get lambasted for assuming it is :)
Which it is pretty safe to assume it is not.
Slightly OT but I am wondering how 5970 with over 4TFLOPS of power can perform worse than a card with 1/3 of the crunching power. Also assuming that the 1.7TFLOP of the 380 is genuine of course ;)
i take it that they will run hot then:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotrsama
you guys talk like fermi is just a refresh.. let me remind you its not
dont be surprised how and why fermi is more than twice as fast than 280/285 and faster than the 5000 series
amds gonna need their new 6000 series (whatever theyre going to name) to combat dual fermi.. 5890/5990 refreshes to keep as close as possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
If we take into account actual product launches who needed what to compete? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
This time Nvidia is really late and I imagine they will feel the breath of both ATI HD 5890/5990 and HD 6000 on their necks.
Hmm, I dont see the point, I currently have the 5970 so I am really not trying to defend nVidia. Yes 5970 has lots of raw power, but that depends on drivers, only if nVidia would code for ATi, we would see true 4tera in games :D And +1 for Ati for rushing, now they have much more knowledge and experiences with the cards and with DX11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuromancer
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Originally Posted by Florinmocanu
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n
I own ATI and will own ATI for my next upgrade. I was just stating something I noticed, I didn't look at the graphs for any more than 30 seconds... :ROTF:
The architecture is indeed an unknown variable in this game called graphic-card-industry. Still, seeing and believing NVIDIA thinks the future is HPC I'm not all that optimistic about Fermi's gaming performance. Who knows how many transistors are there for solely for HPC and GPGPU?Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Depending on Fermi's performance. But we don't know much about the 6k-series either, only that AMD/ATI said RV870 will be the last GPU based on R600's architecture. The 6k-series might be "late" to the party as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Who knows? Only god (or one of your gods ; if there are gods).
nvidia does try and go beyond just gaming. if i had to use CUDA just a little, i might not care that i get 5FPS less compared to an equally priced ATI card, cause you are getting some bonus features. which may not be for everyone, but do exist and do have a purpose.
Noone's questioning that, I know there are people who bought NVIDIA's cards just because they are dedicated to folding. Is this a problem? Nope :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
But, I personally think we here are more interested in it's graphics performance :) At least I am :yepp:
He, this song fits the situation and it's playing right now: Devildriver - I could care less
so amd didnt need the 5000 series to compete ? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Shadov
nvidia needs fermi.. then amd needs the next gen and so forth.. nothing new.. repeating history :up:
lol what you guys think those shaders do ? they just sit around and wait for direct computing when gaming ? just because the gpu is multi purpose dont mean it sux @ gaming or its not a gaming gpuQuote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
look those of you that have the 5000 series enjoyem while you can.. cometh fermi enjoy lower prices from amd.. rejoice that amd will work hard @ their next gen
whose the loser here ?? amd/nivida make $.. we all enjoy new graphics.. win win for all
I didn't mean the shaders. But iIrc Fermi has quite massive cache as well. Is this needed for gaming and SP-performance? Just one example :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
But I'm afraid I have no clue about such things :welcome:
That's key IMO. In GT200 it was pretty clear that the DP support and shared memory held little benefit for graphics. They might have stored a few interpolation and/or texturing inputs in shared memory but nothing that they couldnt have done with a bigger register file. In Fermi however things have been changed up so much that it's not clear what, if anything, could benefit graphics too. It could be nothing like GT200 or they could use the new cache hierarchy and larger shared memory pool to benefit graphics in interesting ways. And of course we still know nothing of the fixed function setup, texturing and blending stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
come on if we are to know everything about a gpu inners and outters before it gets released then by the time its out its just a boring gpu.. no fun left :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
But you can OC it and bench / play games! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
And voltmod! :D
^ :D :toast:
:rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by SamHughe
This is still in reference to those graphs on Tom's Hardware, not the ones this thread is talking about. I am asking very reasonable questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by skugpezz
Not really very reasonable IMO. If you had an NDA source that showed you the performance then you should know if they are fake or not.
ouchQuote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
THIS IS OFFICIAL AND WHAT WE KNOW NOW
Availability: in early Q2 2010, that is on my nVidia news letter...Quote:
IEEE 754 single & double precision floating point units
Achieve up to 600 Gigaflops of double precision performance for faster and more accurate results.
ECC Support
Offers protection of data in memory to enhance data integrity and reliability for applications. Register files, L1/L2 caches, shared memory, and DRAM all are ECC protected.
Up to 6GB GDDR5 compute memory
Allows faster access to larger data sets.
NVIDIA Parallel DataCache Technology
Accelerates algorithms such as physics solvers, ray-tracing, and sparse matrix multiplication where data addresses are not known beforehand.
NVIDIA GigaThread Engine
Maximizes throughput by faster context switching, concurrent kernel execution, and improved thread block scheduling.
Asynchronous transfer capability
Turbocharges system performance by overlapping data transfers with computation.
High Speed , PCI-Express Gen 2.0 Data Transfer
Fast and high-bandwidth communication between CPU and GPU.
CUDA programming environment with broad support of programming languages and APIs
Choose C, C++, OpenCL, DirectCompute, or Fortran to express application parallelism and take advantage of the “Fermi” GPU’s innovative architecture
FH spoke with PR guy from nvidia he said early q1 2010
My nVidia news letter today said that Fermi will come in early Q2 2010 and that the most powerful Fermi will come in Q3 2010.
Some specs too
Double Precision Floating Point Performance 520GFlops - 630 GFlops Mind you this is all about the Quado series products for professional workstations. IT IS however the first word on Fermi and rough indication of performance (ish) presuming the Quadro Clocks are similar to the consumer clocks etc... There are 2 RAM sizes 3GB and the later model 6GB although I can see this being 1.5GB and 3GB on the consumer GPU's
John
~550mm2, around 65nm G200 size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotrsama
Only if they hit their target clocks, which doesn't seem to be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
It's usually the other way around, either the ATi card is a lot cheaper at a given performance point or it is faster for the same price point. You buy for CUDA then fair enough but if you're not going to use it why pay the CUDA tax for a GPU that is a generation behind and offers poorer value:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
GT 220 £25 vs 4650 £29
GT 240 £51 vs 4670 £39
GTS 250 £70 vs 4850 £70
GTX 260 £140 vs 4890 £110
GTX 285 £212 vs 5850 £192
GTX 295 £400 vs 5870 £309
2x GTX 295 £800 vs 5970 £500
so you got some A3 ES's ehh? stock clocks are not what napalm cares about if you havent seen his shader clocks! we still have no info on graphics performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Yah I was trying to figure out the math earlier but my brain is a little fried today from what I figured
Fermi at 750MHz is projected to be 40% faster than Cypress (no comment on WHICH cypress though average it too 800MHZ and give nVidia the benefit of the doubt). However, they are currently capable of producing 500 MHz Fermi. Which is 33% slower Than projected fermi. So 500 MHz Fermi should be about equal to a 5850.
Which is pretty damn good, I do not know why people are saying that Fermi Absolutely must defeat ATi with best card.
In the overused Car analogy, Lamborghini and Ferrari should give up making cars because the Bugati Veyron is faster? Even though All of them are capable of going fast enough to have you thrown in jail?
So 6 months for Fermi to show up and least +1 month for actual availability.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
the most powerful Fermi I take is another dual pcb that will show up in 7-9 months.
:shakes:
Looks like the new number is closer to 7 months of ATI rule. Looks like Nvidia needs to get back into chipsets or something.
Is it fiscal Q2 or calendar Q2?
Either way, a disappointment and already contradicting what 003 said.
B-b-b-b-b-b-but he knows someone under NDA! How can he be wrong?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
That is for the Quadro and Tesla variants of Fermi and this has been known for a while now. GeForce is still on track for Q1 and will have higher clocks than Tesla and Quadro, and have ECC disabled, which trades off performance for precision, only needed in HPC applications.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
I'm not. It's been known for a while now that the Quadro and Tesla cards will be launching after GeForce. That isn't under NDA and was stated by Jen-Hsun Huang in Nvidia's most recent financial conference call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n
You can't compare differect archs. ATI uses more "complex" SPs which need to be fed properly by the compilers. And there's the texturing, setup rate differences etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuromancer
How about responding to the real question asked several times in this thread: Are the numbers in those charts close to the real ones? You can say that without giving any information about your "source".
The charts are most likely faked. Price/performance of the high end GeForce Fermi will be very good. If the 5970 remains priced at what it is currently after Fermi is released, it will be quite a waste of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
Nice dodge. So I take it that the numbers you have supposedly seen don't match what is in these graphs. A simple no would have sufficed.
If the numbers aren't close, then why would the price of R800 have go down, as 003 says? :rolleyes:
Don't take my word for any of this. Wait for Q1 and see for yourself ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
As an example to answer your question. The original MSRP of the GTX280 was very high, quite a bit higher than the 4870. Although it was faster than the 4870, most people were not willing to pay the significant premium and Nvidia was at one point forced to lower prices to a level at which they were actually losing money with each GTX280 sale. That is why they quickly responded with the GTX285 which slightly bumped up performance and significantly lowered cost of manufacturing.Quote:
Originally Posted by m.fox
What 003 says is already highly questionable. I'm just trying to get a straight answer on the performance side of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by m.fox
Oh don't worry, I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
I don't think 6 months is "quickly". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
I was trying to make a point. They did it as soon as the could.Quote:
Originally Posted by m.fox
Mmm, your statement only seems logical if you were talking about the Dual-Fermi card but thers no way on this earth that the GTX380 with nearly double the die size( Manufacture Cost) will be a better perf/$. I repeat "003" the 380 will NOT cost less than 500$. Whereas the 5970 would drop to 500$ after what? 5 months of its release date? 100$ for 5 months seems a very good deal to me LMAO :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
And hes calling the 5970 a waste of many :rofl:
Trying to get a straight answer from 003? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
He keeps changing his tune every 5 minutes to fit with whatever rumour/official thing comes out. My disgarded lunch is more likely is more likely to have insider information imo.
Where did I say that the 5970 is a waste of money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alous
I never changed my story. Before an NDA was broken to inform me some details regarding Fermi, what I was posting was simply my speculations. Sometimes I may have come off as trying to state them as fact, but that was only because I personally wanted them to be true. Once I learned what I know now, my "story" has been the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by postumus
Didnt you see how he changed his mind ? He started to say those slides looks legit to Him. Then he posted that those are fakes ,your contradicting yourself 003, maybe seek some help? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
And the 5970 STILL a better deal EVEN if thats the 380 performance considering the launch date of both products :cool:
EVEN if the 5970 Remains at 599$ and the 380 at 499$( Probably more if nVidia wants some profits), the 5970 being slighly faster is still a good deal and I already quoted you saying the 5970 is a waste of money on my previous post You want som1 to move your mouse over it? Let me know that, either your visual skills and memory are lacking or is it something else? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
I only believe in one thing: LOGIC ,thats how life is made.
Indeed. At first he said that they "look legit", but then he said "they were probably fakes"Quote:
Originally Posted by Alous
What changed inbetween? The info under NDA? :rofl:
:rofl::rofl:Oh ok, so when you're wrong, you're actually right?Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
IE I may have stated something as fact, bc I *wanted* it to be true.
I suppose we should just read your mind when you want something so badly for Nvidia you mislead us. :rofl:
Also, some1 was complaining abouta user being a potential shill for AMD, and whether said user was actually being paid by AMD. That said, I'd say 003 ought to consider emailing Nvidia about a salary plan. :ROTF:
You guys do realize that HD5870 and HD5970 are here now.
If you're the type who must have the fastest, you already have (or should have) a HD5970 (or 2 of them).
If you're the type who must have the newest best DX cards.. you definitely have an AMD card since they are only ones that make DX11 cards.
You could "predict" "guess" "pray" etc, for Fermi. You could end up waiting a long time or a very very long time.
Or just get a HD5870 today.
Besides, even if Fermi is perfectly amazing awesome and a bit faster.. so what? Its not like it has a feature advantage (ie both DX11) - I haven't heard anything about eyeInfinity killer have you?
not for those that have a GTX295 or GT200 either R700 has no need to be rushing, if not wait for fermi then decide whats the best buy...but for a guy who has a GTS250 maybe...Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
Let's look at that quote from successful_troll again:
There is no THG review. He lied about this, therefore the graphs are fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Probably the most successful troll of the year
Now, we know that the "official" NVIDIA one with data about Far Cry 2 has been taken from these charts. Therefore it is also fake. Why then would the other "official" charts, which were all posted together with the obviously fake one, be real? There is nothing to speculate about here.
I don't do this often, but I am home sick right now and have a lot of time, and there is something about your poor argumentation techniques, logical fallacies and blatant bias that just bugs me.
Changed my mind about what? My initial post where I said "Looks legit to me" was in response to another member who had posted a comment claiming that they looked fake because the performance of the 5970 was greatly differing from its performance on the same benchmark coming from different sources. I was pointing out that that claim was in fact false and the performance of the 5970 on the graphs in question is accurate to within a fraction of a frame in comparison to the same benchmark from other sources. When I said "Looks legit to me", I was referring to the fact that 5970 performance in the graphs in question is actually accurate when compared to the same benchmark of the 5970 from other sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alous
In the response to the quote above this I have explained in detail how I in fact did not say they looked legitimate in the sense that they held truth. Therefore, my statement saying the charts are faked does not contradict my initial statement of "Looks legit to me". Furthermore, claiming the charts "look legitimate" is technically a true statement, as they were taken from previous official slides from Nvidia and photoshopped to look as though they represent Fermi and HD5000 generation cards. Therefore, they do look legitimate, which is an entirely different statement than claiming they are legitimate. In this sense, they still do look legitimate.Quote:
He started to say those slides looks legit to Him. Then he posted that those are fakes ,your contradicting yourself 003
What a lovely condescending personal attack. Post reported.Quote:
maybe seek some help? :rofl:
This was so poorly worded it took me a minute to figure out what you were trying to say, but I believe you mean to say Even if the GTX380 matches the performance of the 5970, the 5970 is still the better deal considering it was launched earlier.Quote:
And the 5970 STILL a better deal EVEN if thats the 380 performance considering the launch date of both products :cool:
If that is what you meant to say then there is much wrong with the statement. First of all, you are taking two variables that have no correlation (release date and performance, of which you lack both for Fermi) and using them to extrapolate a third unrelated variable, value. On top of this logical fallacy, it is also flawed in the sense that you would need to know the MSRP of both products to draw even the most remote assessment of value, and that is a piece of information you do not have.
Now this is an interesting turning of the tables. You are claiming that if the GTX380 is $500 and the 5970 is $600, and if performance of the 5970 is slightly faster than that of the GTX380, that the 5970 would be a good deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alous
If I recall correctly, the GTX280 was slightly faster (considerably faster in some circumstances) than the 4870 but cost quite a bit more. Because of that, many people said it was a bad deal and waste of money considering the price/performance of the 4870 was much better. What you appear to be saying is that if the price/performance of the GTX380 is better than that of the 5970, but the 5970 is still faster than the GTX380, then the 5970 is still a better deal even if the GTX380 has the better price/performance ratio. This would be a complete 180 degree flip of the mindset people had in the previous generation with the GTX280 and 4870. What would be your reasoning for this 180 degree flip?
You have already stated this and I have sufficiently debunked it already.Quote:
and I already quoted you saying the 5970 is a waste of money on my previous post
What a lovely condescending personal attack. Post reported.Quote:
You want som1 to move your mouse over it? Let me know that, either your visual skills and memory are lacking or is it something else?
I literally almost choked to death reading this last bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alous
Ok, first you really think that I dont know that already? Internet is freedom. Ohh, your reported, reminds me of kids mind. You know how many accounts and ips can I make? right? Sorry for touching your feelings 003 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 003
But I am taking facts from REAL world, lets do this, the 4870 msrp was? and the 280 was?
The 280 was costing DOUBLE the 4870 and Cmon just say the truth and stop turning around.The 280 was even near 650$ here and 2x4870 was considerably faster than the 280 that I had. I hate 1 thing: people saying wrong things to play with peoples mind, it doesn't take language skills to be smart , the smartest people on this planet arent the best at grammar, trust me :up:
From my understanding your stating that Fermi is coming next month? If so , I will be the 1st to sell the 5970 and get a 380 if its 499$ and has near the 5970 perf. I had a 280 before the 5970 btw I only got the 280 because I got it for 250$ in january 09. Any of you guys see a 180def from last generation?
So,according to 003, the GTX380 will cost 299$ and the 5970 599$. Sorry but thats what I understood from your 180degree any1 else seeing something else?
Now please have a cup of tea and lemon and a good sleep no offence. Im just here to clear things off not to make fights.
Cheers
Thank you
...and this is the new improved "cleaned up" news section...
*sigh*
Would you kindly quote where I said the 5970 will be a waste of money when the GTX380 is released? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by skugpezz
All these guys arguing need to read the new rules for the news section before you loose access to it.
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4352/1131z.gif http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226784
Troll fight! :rofl:
Yup. Except I have a sound and logical argument. Other people are twisting my words and trying to say I've made claims that I have not.Quote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
Well said, although unless some of the rubbish posted above is deleted pretty quick I guess it is hammer time already ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
p.11 #272 dont try to edit it please, Looking forward for real benchmarks to pop on big review sites. And of course extreme oc results from XtremeSystems :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
And what is it that I said right before the part you emboldened?
Any news about the GTX 395 and release date?
Grow up children. I don't even want to see bans and/or infractions, I want your mothers numbers so I can call them. Thread closed.
... I swear, I don't know why we don't have a bot to automatically close any thread with the word "Fermi" in it...