Especially not on PCIe 2.0 buses...
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Especially not on PCIe 2.0 buses...
Big.Wayne, those readings where made only with my Q6600 G0 @ 3600 ( 65nm ).
Of course each MB could have diferent readings. Also diferent type of CPU's can do that but I don't think so. I think it's a MB "thing".
One thing I tested was with 3 or 4 diferent bios and all gave me the same values.
Try vPLL=1.52v on your machine. If it is still stable them let it stay 1.52v ;)
I don't recommend Auto values on any voltage setting of the P5Q Deluxe.
:up:
as i listed before, set ddr2 1200 in bios, 1333 in everest and cpu-z when in windows.... have no idea and no answers from asus as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by psychok9
I have had some issues with bios 1103, the main one being after a failed overclock, it sometimes resets the bios to defaults, as if I cleared the CMOS. I found this really irritating, and when asus removed the bios from the main website the first time (indicating a problem with it) I flashed back to 0803 and have not had any issues since.
I also measured the voltages with my DMM using both 0610, 0803 and 1103 bioses, and found no difference between them in the real voltages produced. I found the vNB overvolted by 0.01 - 0.02v, and the vdimm overvolted by 0.09v. However something that has not yet been mentioned, is that I found the memory voltage droops a lot under load. So if I set 1.96v in bios, I get 2.05v real idle and under load it droops to 1.99v.
However this is ameliorated by setting voltages higher, such that if I set 2.10v in bios, I get 2.12v idle and 2.13v load. Also setting 2.08v in bios results in 2.10v idle and 2.11v load. I am still experimenting with it and when I get it all figured I'll post a table.
So far I'm at 4005 MHz @ 1.304v load, DDR1112 @ 5-5-5-15 @ 1.96v (bios), using PL8, Clock Twister Light and 1.20v vNB.
quick test of Bios 1201 an E8600 @ 5.0GHZ Watercooling
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=761515
bios 0803/1103 I got vdrop on 0.2500V in all set bios 1201 = 0.1000V :)
used bios 1102 for a while, seems to be good.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
ASUS P5Q-Deluxe 1201 final Bios
[ 1201 ]
----------------------
Enhance the memory compatibility.
changelog for bios 1201?
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by gurusan
[ 1201 ]
----------------------
Enhance the memory compatibility.
I still don't see it listed as a official released bios only on their FTP = Beta still... Anyhu ... i will wait for ppls test results ... i just hate flashing now again and have to Test all over again with Orthos prime and such, but yeah maybe 1201 is better then 1103, but who knows.
By the way here is my Q6600 @ 3.6ghz Air Cooled finally as of yesterday evening and this morning Orthos Primed 11hrs 5min 4 secs before i stopped it and with these settings in bios, in my template below.
Bios 1103 and 1201:
**** System Performance Settings ****
*******************************
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 101
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-901 MHz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information: 5-5-5-15-3-52-6-3
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
2nd Information : 8-3-5-4-6-4-6
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO
3rd Information : 14-5-1-6-6
WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Auto
AI Clock Twister: Auto
AI Transaction Booster: Auto
All Pull-In's: Disabled
CPU Voltage: 1.425 ( 1.416v idle | 1.43 full )
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.630
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28
NB Voltage: 1.26
DRAM Voltage: 1.96
NB GTL Reference: 0.630
SBridge Voltage: 1.10
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
CPU Margin Enhancement: Optimized
**** Advance CPU Settings ****
**************************
CPU Ratio Setting : 8x
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Here is screen shot just before stopping Orthos which i just took this morning at 6:44am.
Also not sure why, but Orthos states it is at 4050mhz.. lol
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5.../11hrs5min.jpg
I stopped Orthos .. as i say she is good enough. I usually do 8-10 hours of orthos (when ever i OC) and i have never had any issues afterwards, but one never knows as you can prime for 24hrs and still have issues later on, but 8-10hrs is ideal for daily usage and or 24/7 usage.
Temps were decent, but i must inspect The Thermal Paste and heatsink mounting .. as it appears at times ... 2 cores are 8-10C higher then the other 2 ... cores 0-1 is 8-10C higher when OCing then cores 2-3, but at idle they are only 1-2C difference.
Idle right now is 33-32-28-30
whats is the max fsb for this mobo?
Here is my near final results with my ram and bios 1103. 1133mhz, 1.98v, SRC and MemOC charger enabled, PL7/Stronger:). PL6 will not boot with or without SRC or MemOC charger. The only thing I can think to do is try and tighten some of the timings maybe, any suggestions.
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5945/membenchfn9.png
Thanks for the Q6600 setting Leeghoofd. I can't boot into Vista at 9x400 with these settings, so I'm wondering how much can I safely boost PLL, VTT, and NBCore to try? I'm running 9x380 right now and that seems okay. Also you mentioned GTL but you have that on Auto, so I'm a bit confused...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
wongnog
Have a look at my settings 3 posts up from your last post.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xTKxhom3r
Yeah but he is planning on using 4870x2, i think there is a good chance that card will use enough bandwidth to be effected by going from 16x to 8x but obviously this will need to be tested. Saying that though, it would also mean pci 1.1 would also effect it when using 4870x2 but again obviously this needs to be testedQuote:
Originally Posted by RejZor
Well i figured i run this program now to see if i am actually 100% stable as i just ran Orthos for 11 hrs last night/this morning... post is above and it never errored out, but if you read in this theard ppl who primed 10 hours or so .. ran linkpack and was not stable.
IntelBurnTest
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=197835
Ok this program gets Cores HOTTER then Orthos Prime.
I need to figure out why 2 of my cores always read 10C higher then the other 2.
Linpack 0-1 Cores 84C and 2-3 Cores 74C Max.
Orthos = 0-1 Cores 74C and 2-3 Cores 64C Max. (Were talking like 2-3 instances of 3 secs of a Max of 74C)
Here is my test results just done 15 min ago and all is OK Residual result numbers 5 passes all same.
Also ppl read the read me text ... only use what free memory is available to use.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5...nkpackTest.jpg
Bios 1103 was quite buggy for me , no wonder they pull it out of their website :( , now my bios chip seems corrupted and wont hold the overclocks anymore , i reflashed like 5 times to 0704,0803 and all the same i think the bios chips are going bad :(
Can anyone help?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2359
1103 is still listed on Asus's wesbite.Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...l=P5Q%20Deluxe
Hmm i am sure others in here can help you, but i only have Q6600 at 3.6ghz right now .... 4,0ghz on Q9450 is capable, but not all will do so and do so 100% stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas420221
As for what Volst and such i can't say for sure, but ppl in this thread and forum and other threads in this forum have done so... maybe to a quick search through the forum for Q9450 Overclocking and see what you find.
The 1103 changed the boot block, maybe you could try to move forward, if downgrading is not working. Let us know if you have any progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxs112
I have hit 590 FSB with only 1.304v (load) and vNB = 1.26v (although this was not stable but I don't want to abuse my CPU)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigcesar
Nice, try to pull in tRFC, I'm stable at 1112 MHz 5-5-5-15, tRFC = 30Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy
I have had no issue downgrading to 0803 from 1103.
Try restoring the bios with the initial bios that is contained in the second bios chip, then step back up to the bios you want to use.
Also ensure your system is at stock settings when you flash (obviously).
Some quick results:
590FSB
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...san/590FSB.jpg
Everest @ 571 FSB
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...571fsbcopy.jpg
Everest @ DDR1000 4-4-4-4
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0004-4-4-4.jpg
Everest @ DDR1200 5-5-5-15
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...DR1200copy.jpg
i like this fsb...whats is youare setting in BIOS?Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Anyone try out the Bios 1201 yet?
I did and technically speaking it's working ok. However i got "You have 3 days to activate windows" crap and i'm suspecting BIOS because not even system restore restored my activation. I had to go to work before i could find out, but i'll investigate this when i get home in the evening. Till then i suggest you stay away from it unless you don't have problems reactivating Windows in case BIOS is the cause for it. Could be just random glitch though. We'll see...
This is my 24/7 mem performance with setup in sig:
http://pix.nofrag.com/2/5/1/a2516e7c...0396884286.jpg
Thanks for your settings BeastNotro. However I don't think I can get my Q6600 as high as yours (maybe because I have a P5Q-E?) Vista crashes at 9x400 or 8x450 with similar settings to yours except much higher volts. I seem to be benchmark stable at either 9x380 or 8x433, but Crysis craps out after ~20 mins of play. I know it's my OC'ing that's affecting the game because if I dial down to 9x333 and right all voltages at 0.02 above min then the game is rock solid stable -- but of course I suffer low FPS. How did you come up with some of your settings like GTL, SBridge, and PCIE voltage? Most ppl recommend auto.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
BeastNotro read post 2411
The three GTL's settings are all Standard settings in the Bios and as for a Q6600 0.630 and 0.670 are the most common widely used GTL settings. As for Q9450 they are different and i forget what they are, but no matter as you have a Q6600 like i do.Quote:
Originally Posted by wongnog
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.630
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670
NB GTL Reference: 0.630
--------------------------
The SB and PCIE voltages are the Minimum listed in Bios and again is common to use in the P5Q series motherboards, most of the time.
--------------------------
How much voltage are you putting into your chip?
Also when in windows what is the Idle Voltage and Full load Voltage?
What Memory Modules do you have?
What Bios are you using for your PQ5-E?
K so is it better or worse then previous bios you were running?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin.v.r
(this is good that you got a lessor Vdroop --- nice ... bios 0803/1103 I got vdrop on 0.2500V in all set bios 1201 = 0.1000V)
Nice Pi by the way and good OC too.
I want more tests like stability test .. like Linpack and Orthos... :)
Also was it able to use all of your previous bios settings or did you have to fiddle around with it.
Basically i hate to have to flash and then fiddle around again and orthos and linpack .. etc... but with any knew bios i am sure it is a good thing to test 100% stability.
anyone else with bios 1201 results yet?
It doesnt seem like anyone has hit that. What I am really looking for is MAX voltages on the major players (PLL/VTT/NB etc) is the max. I am looking to keep the chip for at least a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
I was really looking for some help from Leeg.
EDIT: I flashed my bios to 1201, but havent tested it yet...though she booted right up to the same settings I had before, 3.8Ghz.
Well 475ish is I think already nice for a day to day FSB mate, my Qx can do 500FSb on this board but I would never run it at those speeds daily (1.6PLL and FSB 1.42 required) I rather settle for 400-45°ish FSB daily... it's not only the stress on the CPU but also the extra stress on the mobo that has to be taken into account... I have seen some suers here push their 9450 to 500FSB but I don't think they will run it daily at those speeds...
PLL I would set max 1.6, VTT max 1.38 and NB 1.4 too for daily ops and that's with good cooling on CPU AND mobo...
Thanks Leeg...!
To get my current settings I am at:
vcore: 1.3625 bios
PLL: 1.52
VTT: 1.30
NB: 1.26
I havent really tried dropping the vcore though...
Oh and for cooling on the NB etc, I have an Antec Twelve Hundred with all fans on low... NB temps show 45C idle at those settings, 50C on load (probe on the heatsink mind you b/c Everest doesnt show my NB temps like it did on my 780i).
I thought my system was stable with 1,45V on VCore but it turned out that IntelBurnTest (AgentGod) requires 1,47250V for actual rock solid stability. Ah well... lol
well I cant say this isnt :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up, if someone could shed some light on this id appreciate the input.
Put in a new 4gb kit of RAM today, G.Skill 4GB DDR2 PK PC2-8500C5, the thing is as you do I sarted overclocking it straight away, well heres how it goes, just started with a mere 20mhz OC and bumped it upto 1086mhz, everything set in the bios manually exept for the PL which was on auto, upon opening memset I saw the board was setting the PL to 10, started memtesting and was getting errors, tried adjusting voltages and still more errors, so I then went back to the bios and set PL manually to 8 (TIGHTER) and now its memtesting away happily :confused:, WHAT, WHY ? on a tighter PL ? :shrug:
Mumid, that's a X48 mem bench level you've got there mate !!! Very nice ;)
What are your bios settings ?
I was reading somewhere that much of the PC2-8500 memory no matter who makes it can run nice on 8 or 9 PL.
I have the G.Skill 4GB DDR2 PC2-8000C5 series and memset states 13 PL and i am Orthos Prime stable 11hrs 5min i shut her down and i am also Linpack Stable...
So should i try for the fun of it use a PL of 8 or 9???? ... Even though it is PC2 1000 and not PC2 8500 ... i am afraid if i do...i won't boot or i will corrupt something.
What ya all think?
jVIDIA
Thks for template, but your settings for me did not all work out, but from you template i fiddled around and........... check it out.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=3281
It's more a combo of FSB/Ram speed and the type of ram used... if you run 1:1 it will be 9- 10 the lowest you can expect, 8 prolly will not even boot... only one way to find out and is to test...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
Leeghoofd
I am 1:1 and Memset states PL 13 for my RIG.. how come?
Here is my OC (below) and you can see in pic CPU-Z 1:1 and i just checked Memset cause of a previous post a few above this one and it is PL 13.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=3281
Edit:
I used Memset 3.5 thats the latest right?
1:1 ( FSB/RAM ratio) sets 13 as PL when transaction booster is set to AUTO... set TB to manual and try eg 10... and test, also to enhance ram speed (but decrease stability) you could enable static read control...
Ah i see, maybe i try that out and test tommorow or next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Thks for info.... now we all know why PL 13 is showing... :)
How is BIOS 1201 .. should i flash again and test again... ????
When I was overclocking with my Crucial Ballistx I was 1:1 with PL13, then best I could tighten upto on that was PL10 but took a :banana::banana::banana::banana:e load more voltage across the board, so I settled for PL12 in the end.
But now with this new kit im running 5:6 and like I said earlier, I got nothing but erros PL10 and above, the last thing I expected was it to be stable at PL8, memtest Pro is just comming upto 1000%, I shall prolly leave that running overnight too be sure and then work on increasing the overall mem speed, after all 20mhz extra is sod all.
Well if thats the case then i will pass on it for me trying 10 or anything lower then 13 pl .... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seanie's Show
As its not that huge of a difference in performance to have componets overheating with more volts... lol
Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
They are 500 fsb, with 333 strap and 12:10 divider. Memory timings manually set to 5-5-5-15 everything else on 'Auto'. 'DRAM Static Read Control', 'DRAM Read Training' and 'MEM. OC Charger' all set to Enable, 'AI Clock Twister' set to 'Moderate'. 'AI Transaction Booster' set to Manual with PL set as 8 and all pull ins enabled. Mem volts are at 2.14 in bios for this to be blend stable.
if you don't mind can you guide me some config with v.1103 biosQuote:
Originally Posted by Mumid
the system look like the same
> E8400 C0 Q817A
> Ballistic 2x1GB PC2-6400 (16FD3)
> P5Q Deluxe v.1103 bios
This config is only one that pass on SuperPI mod with 32MQuote:
AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
FSB Frequency: 500
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1201Mhz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: MANUAL
1st Information :
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
2nd Information :
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO
3rd Information :
WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Enable
AI Clock Twister: Auto
AI Transaction Booster: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.28125
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.30
DRAM Voltage: 2.22
NB Voltage: 1.34
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: Auto
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
Load Line Calibration: Enable
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
NB Clock Skew : Auto
CPU Margin Enhancement : Optimized
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
CPU VID: Disable
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
and event how hard i try it can't go over 10mins on Othos (Blend mode)
> first i try on 5-5-5-15 but not work at all so it work on 5-5-5-18
> play with memory tweak (i can't adjust any value without "Auto")
DRAM Static Read Control: Enable
DRAM Read Training: Enable
MEM. OC Charger: Enable
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: [8] (all pull is Enable/Disable)
> for lowest FSB = 1.30, NB = 1.34, SB = 1.2, Vdimm = 2.22, Vcore = 1.28125
please help me to config these
ps. i have try on your confiq that give above but i seem not work
Have you tried just a bit more Vcore ? Blend mode is not only ram or chipset voltages... does it pass Small FFT's for a while ?
yes, it passed Small FFT's on Vcore 1.28125 with 1:1 (1 hr)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
and Vcore 1.30 is too stable for any test
so i think that CPU is work fine but the problem is ram (maybe)
here Small FFT's 1hr
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/5...lfftbs4.th.png
Silly question perhaps but have you got both of your dimms in the yellow slots? Also I think you are giving too much volts, vdimm = 2.22 you are giving your rams 2.3volts, dangerous with those fragile micron d9's! Also you shouldnt really need more than 1.26-28 on the NB and 1.22 should be fine for fsb.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnLoph
Could just be that my mem can clock a bit better than yours. Try manually setting your strap to 333 and if that doesnt work, try running PL9 and see if you get stability that way.
that maybe true your mem may better than me (i really think that way)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumid
and thank for suggestion, i will try on
ู^_^
Been following this thread and the Q9450 thread while I build and setup my system, but took ages for the registration to go through to enable me to post here
Thanks a lot for all the information given out here, really appreciate it. :up:
I am running 3.6 on q9450 24/7 and have lowered my settings down to minimum where possible, prime stable and 61-56degC across cores
I'll post my settings in a bit using the template
One thing I found though was the 1103 bios was unstable for me and I had to downstep to the 901 which I am using just now
A question I had was with this bios (901) does the motherboard overvolt higher when I set the minimal voltage allowed in the bios for a particular setting? I had read this was an issue with another bios
Cheers all :)
Processor Q9450
RAM Corsair Dominator 8500 4x2GB
Asus P5Q Deluxe
Vista x64
My original core vis is 1.15 and 1.25 at x6 and x8, according to Everest/CPUz
Rather than clog up the board, I'll edit this post for my current overclock settings. I had some problems trying lower settings and bioses, and this is what I came up with
BIOS 803
(tested stable prime95 6hrs large & then 8hrs small, no issues)
*Edited 15th OCtober for 1406 bios and new settings gleaned from the thread - thanks all! :up:
*now using 2201, no problems
AI TWEAKER:
AI Tweaker:
Ai overclock: manual
CPU ratio setting: auto
FSB frequency: 450
PCIE freq: 100
FSB strap to NB: Auto
DRAM freq: Auto
everything Auto then
DRAM timing, Manual 5-5-5-15
DRAM static : Auto
DRAM read training: Auto
MEM OC charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction booster: Auto
Common Performance level: Auto
Pull ins all set: disabled
CPU Voltage: 1.35 (This is high relative to other users but my chip need it) :shrug:
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.63
CPU GTL (1/3): 0.63
CPU PLL: 1.54
FSB Termination: 1.22
DRAM: 2.02
NB Voltage: 1.28
NB GTL Reference: Auto
SB Voltage: 1.20
PCIE Sata voltage: 1.50
Load line Calibration: Enabled
CPU spread: disabled
PCIE spread: disabled
CPU clock Skew: Auto
NB clock skew: Auto
CPU Margin Enhancement: Performance mode
Next page: Advanced: CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Setting: Auto
C1E Support: Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization: Disabled
CPU TM: Disabled
Execute Disable bit: Disabled
Intel Speed Step: Enabled
and that's it, 3.6 stable
Air cooling, thermalright IFX-14 (without the backplate cooler as it was shorting on the P182 case). I a Noctua on IFX and inplace of case fans
Real temp under prime showing ~61deg C on one core rest ~56deg C
When I tried >3.6 it gets unstable and so after reading around, happy with settling for 3.6 with speedstep for 24/7
Stability is important to me - I upped the vcore from 1.33 to keep stable. Temps are okay.
Thanks to Luicis et al with the Q9450/P5Q combination on this thread and the other under Q9450
Bios 1201 ... Flash or not to Flash to it???
Does it overvolt like all the others Bioes do?
For 571 (bench stable) & 590 FSB (max screen @ these voltages):Quote:
Originally Posted by bigcesar
vcore = 1.3625v (bios) gives 1.344 idle/1.304v load (real).
vNB = 1.26v
vFSB = 1.12v
vPLL = 1.52v
GTL = both at auto
memory on 1:1 divider at PL = 10, 5-5-5-15
I could push it harder and get over 600 FSB but I don't want to abuse my CPU.
I have found no difference in voltages using bios 0704, 0803 and 1103. I would assume that 1201 would also be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
If in doubt, set second up from minimum choice for each voltage, and measure with a DMM. I did, as I wanted to know what my board did, in case it was different.
I not know how to test .. well i mean exactly where and do i use both probes on mobo or ground black to case?
Can you post where to test for this ... thks
Use black probe in earth of molex cable, put red probe on measure point. Set DMM to 20 VDC setting.
These photos are sourced from Awardfabrik, thanks guys.
Vdimm:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...mreadpoint.jpg
vNB read point
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...breadpoint.jpg
vFSB & vPLL read points:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...breadpoint.jpg
Could someone explain to me please what the different straps mean? Are they the same as memory dividers, and if so what does each on equal? Thanks.
CryptiK
Awesome DUDE ... thks for the info.
And thks to Awardfabrik for the pics.
Yeah they are Dividers ... but i have mine set to Auto and i chose my own memory Mhz from the next option or second below it as if i chose a strap of 333 or 400 i would get lower or higher then 901mhz i am running, but TO high for what my memory can handle or shall i say handle without some extreme volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by wongnog
As for what dividers they are i am not sure which they are.
Ok this is what I am able to get with what I have to work with right now which is the 0704 BIOS version on one Bios chip,, that I am stuck on until Asus sends me my new chips which are preloaded with 1103 and they shipped tonight I believe.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...teablegood.jpg
Can everyone see this pic good enough to make everything out? I used that new stress program. I like it.:up:
Looks good 8 x 475 and Linkpack stable .. woot woot
Now i always state do Orthos to for 8-10 hours or 8-12 hours.
I can make everything out, but if a person has bad eyes (no offence) they may not.
You may as well wait until new bios comes in to Orthos and then Linkpack it again.
I ran 3 Linkpacks all at different memory FREE . like 1887, 2000 and 2200 .. and all passed.
2200 that is like about over half of the memory i have.
Thanks , finally i left the mobo alone , took the battery out overnight, in theQuote:
Originally Posted by NBF
Morning i put battery back in ,it boot it ok , then i Hot flashed(Swapped) the Bios back to 0704. Now its working great again , and still giving me monster FSB around 621FSB on my E8400. I order a E8600 to see how far i can go in Subzero :D.
Does this also apply to the P5Q-E? thanks in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
thank chispy for the info.
I have a doubt: for refrigeration by air is dangerous to maintain high fsb (550-600fsb) to the motherboard?
how temperature hold these chips P45?
bigcesar: where are you from? :)
any beta bioses after 1103 ?
@bigcesar - my board will do 571 FSB no problems, and only needs 1.26v vNB to be stable, so it doesn't get hot at all. The cpu is only at 1.304v load so it doesn't get hot either.
It just depends on how much voltage your board and cpu need to get there, if it is high, you may experience heat issues. Just have to work it out for yourself with your gear.
@ Rusty - there is apparently bios 1201 beta on the FTP, but I haven't personally checked as I'm at work. I would be inclined to wait rather than flash it, ASUS testing unfinalized beta's on people is questionable and I have had some issues with the initial beta version 1103 before it was withdrawn and re-released.
any links to bios 1201 ? I was only able to find 1201 for p5q-e board
They're on the FTP site, not the website: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...ELUXE-1201.zipQuote:
Originally Posted by rusty
hi can any1 help me get my p5q dlx,qx9650 and Ocz pc2-8000 to to overclock to 4 ghz I've tried 465x8.5 and 400x10 can anyone help me out. Am I using the best bios 1103. If any1 has a stable overclock can they please help me out with there bios settings thanks david
I hate this crap. I've replaced my only IDE thing left in PC with SATA device (DVD burner) so i decided to disable Marvell IDE chip since i don't need it anymore.
Guess what, if i disable it, Vista deactivates itself. Damn annoying crap...
Try this:
FSB 450
PCIE 100
PSB strap to NB 400
DRAM freq 900
DRAM manual timing: 1st info 5-5-5-18-3-55-6-3
DRAM static - disabled for ram overclock
DRAM read training Auto
Mem OC charger Enabled
Ai clock twister Moderate
Ai transaction booster Manual
Common performance level 12
CPU voltage 1.3500 (BIOS)
GTL AUTO
GTL AUTO
PLL 1.54
FSB 1.34
DRAM 2.02
NB 1.3
NB GTL Auto
SB AUTO
Sata AUTO
Load line calibration Enabled
If that doesn't work try to bump your vNB up to 1.35v and retest.
If it passes, reduce the vcore 1 notch at a time until you find what it needs.
Are you able to tell me where you acquired this information? It seems odd that they would have two x16 slots and make it impossible to use them both. I know marketing departments are not above such scams, just want to make sure you have not pull that 'fact' out of the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumid
1.35v NB for 450fsb :confused:
I tested it myself but it is fairly obvious. There are only 16 electrical lanes for the first two slots so you can see that its impossible for them to both run at 16xQuote:
Originally Posted by Runkett
He is running a quad so that takes more vNB to run at a given FSB than a dual core. It's a moderate bump up from where he is at so he can eliminate the MCH as his restriction.Quote:
Originally Posted by gurusan
It may also be his CPU taking more than the average cpu of that type, so bumping up both can help eliminate things as the cause of the instability.
What picture hosting site is the best for pictures people can see? That site there wants you to pay money for better visible pictures, f them.. Thanks,Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
imageshack.us.
use the thumbnails.
Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
As said above, http://www.imageshack.us/ is the way to go.
also try www.imagecross.com, works nice too. i use it for most things, limitations are pretty high that most wont even come close to being bothered by them
Thanks guys. I noticed everyone had better looking pics then me and wondered who to use. I will post another better pic leter tonight when I get home.
dunno, I've had about 6 different quads with this board and never needed above 1.28v for 500+fsb, and I am running 4x1gb dimms as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
You can find it on Asus' site. When running one GPU, the slots are x16/x1/x4 from top to bottom. When running Crossfire, the slots run x8/x8/x4. The bottom slot will always be x4 as it is run through the southbridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runkett
THe x8/x8 Crossfire is a P45 limitation... if you want two x16 electrical (not just physical) slots, you're either going to need X38/48 for Crossfire or a 780/790 board for SLI.
gurusan: what vNB do you reckon I need to hit over 485MHz-FSB?
I'm pretty much stuck at that speed (E6300) but I have my vNB pretty low (1.12v-1.14v).
Will form out template now for full technical assist but as your talking about vNB vs high FSB I thought I would pick your brains! :)
Fair enough, perhaps it is something else holding him back. It was simply a suggestion to attempt to alleviate his issues, only him testing it can determine what is holding him back. However I have never run a quad on this board, so I don't know from personal experience what vNB is required for them to hit 450 - 500 FSB. Thanks for your input.Quote:
Originally Posted by gurusan
I have hit 590FSB on only 1.26v vNB so I wouldn't think it would be an issue for him but just suggested he bump it up to eliminate it as a possibility.
Try 1.24 or 1.26v...maybe even lower if you just have 2 dimms full.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big.Wayne
well yeah your reasoning is correct and a good way to eliminate possible culprits.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Which LAN port is on the PCI-E bus in BIOS? The top one or the bottom one?
Receiving my P5Q-D tomorrow and I wanna be ready! :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by gurusan
I am at 1.28v nb to get it intel burntest stable at 3.8Ghz. I bumped it up from 1.26v because it wasn't stable.
The wording just seems dishonest - Clearly states that crossfire is limited to x8 + x8 - no issue there, but it also says it has 2x x16 slots and only says they drop to x8 in 'link mode'. It seems intentionally worded to imply that using those slots for a purpose other than crossfire would not reduce the lanes. So if there is no way to use the 2nd slot as x16 (bar leaving slot 1 empty or disabled) I'm not sure how they can advertise 2 x x16 pci-e 2.0 slots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polizei
Its not the end of the world or anything (my intent was using an 'old' 8800gts in the 2nd slot as a PPU- thus not crossfire or 'linked') just cant help feeling I have been lied to and cheated just a little. And of course they make the third slot so low you cant use double width cards (x4 would have been fine for a ppu) and get around it that way :shakes:
I always understood that pcie2.0 and 8x/8x wont be a bottleneck...Thats about equal to pcie1.1 16x/16x.
They say it's got 3x x16 slots, but that just means physical size. The electical size (x16/x1/x4 or x8/x8/x4) are what really matters and what you have to pay attention to. They just include the x16 length so people with RAID cards or other expansion cards have a little more flexibility like running an x8 length card in an x16 slot at x4 speed (for instance, in the bottom slot).
Its the bottom one mate, and if you want to disable the PCI one in the bios, it is labeled as 'Marvell Lan 2'.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAdoxx
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7...aug2008ia8.jpg
Intel E6300 + TRUE
Asus P5Q-Deluxe (#803)
Crucial Special 10th Anniversary 2GB (2x1GB)
Radeon HD3450 256MB
Corsair HX620W PSU
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/8...aisedabbr3.jpg
ASUS P5Q DLX Template :
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 07.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 485
PCI-E Frequency: AUTO
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-971
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information :
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
2nd Information :
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO
3rd Information :
WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO
CPU Voltage: 1.41250
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: AUTO
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24
DRAM Voltage: 1.84
NB Voltage: 1.14
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: 1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
NB Clock Skew : Auto
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 0.7
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Ok guys could use a little pointer or two, kinda stuck trying to get my old but nice E6300 much over 485MHz-FSB, I am approaching this very methodically slowly but surely adjusting voltages but I'm getting mixed results. I have never been able to get this chip fully prime stable over 3.4GHz on my previous boards (P5B-Deluxe and P5K-E) so I suspect either the chip has some kinda FSB wall or perhaps I am doing something wrong?
Using only Prime Small FFT's I have found the approx vCore needed to keep the chip stable but once I switch to blend it errors from 5 mins to 2 hours. I finally managed to get the 8 hour prime shot above by upping the vTT (or vFSB) from 1.22 to 1.24, the vNB from 1.12 to 1.14 and the vDimm from 1.80v to 1.84v
Thought I cracked it so being a stickler I then lowered the vTT and vNB to see if it started to error again which it did, so I put the two settings back to where they were for the prime pic above but it failed?
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6426/umkn3.th.jpg
I need to speed up my testing a little so would appreciate a little insight from those that have walked the path before me. I am now gonna pump the vFSB/VTT and vNB and vDimm. I have also tried dropping the multi from x0.7 to x.06 to take the strain of the CPU but that didn't seem to help.
The PC won't POST with the FSB set over .. um about 488MHz-490MHz FSB so its like a full brick wall and where I am at present (485MHz-FSB) is the beginning of the *ragged edge*
p.s: I'm aware that I need to take PLL from auto but thats how it was when I started testing and I didn't want to start again, if you guys think that may be part of my problem then I'm happy to change it now!
p.p.s: I have previously tested my memory up to about 533MHz (DDR2-1066) so I don't think thats the problem? however If I don't get some success soon I will back down my Overclock and then set the memory on a divider and give it a good testing just to be sure. I think the problem is either the CPU or incorrect mobo config so thanks in advance!
I think you're going to want to change that CPU vPLL to something other than Auto... Auto overvolts like mad.
Sounds like you are nearing the limit of the cpu, but I wouldn't give up yet. I had an e6300 in a P5B vanilla before this current setup, and it was stable at 490 FSB at 1.37v vcore. vFSB didn't help it at all, it just added heat, but your cpu may be different.
Try bumping up the vNB and vdimm a little to eliminate them as possibilities. I would use 1.26v vNB, 1.90v vdimm. Leave your timings at 5-5-5-15.
Also try and set vPLL to 1.52v, vFSB to 1.24v - 1.26v
Also bump up the vcore 1 step.
Try and see if that gives you better stability.
I have also seen gains in e6300's by adjusting the GTL values, i would try raising them by single steps to see if they may help you.
Yeah I heard what people have said about this PLL thing, not 100% convinced that jVidia's findings are relevant to a dual-core Conroe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Polizei
Let's say it was over-volting the PLL would that lead to the errors I am encountering? I have no idea about PLL and wouldn't know what to change it too (it has been suggested 1.6v is a good place to start).
Just means I have to start my testing from scratch but unless someone chimes in with a fix I will have no choice :(