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12-30-2008, 02:53 PM
ragheb

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@ ragheb

hi ragheb :), are you using a RE with CS3222271 (D9JNL) - same as me ?
I think ToyTen's kit is CS3222270 (D9GTR) :sonic:

Happy to post my CS3222271-based settings, but for which clocks ?

Also what happens above 400FSB on yours ? Is your kit memtest stable at rated 800mhz/CL7 - mine needs about 1.68V for that.[/QUOTE]

Thanks cheapseats for your response & Happy New Year to all at Xtreme Systems..

As to your question, I am running I think the exact CS3222271 RAM as you as can be seen from the image below and I am struggling to get FSB beyond 380Mhz:confused:..I am stable though at 360 on OCCT which is hopelessly poor. All Bios settings are on AUTO except for the strap which is at 333 & the voltage increases shown on the Everest sensor page. I am also running it pretty cool on a WC for CPU / NB & GPU (8800 GTS slightly ovclkd).
I know in a post you sent on 8 Dec you showed FSB's from 450 at 1:2 all the way to 562 at 5:8 which is by my standard miraculous!!. I am using fairly similar volts increases as yourself but I am not sure whether I need to change the mem timings in Bios or via Memset.
I hope you can help as the lot of you here seem to be quiet geniuses at the huge overclocks...
12-30-2008, 09:42 PM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragheb

@ ragheb

hi ragheb :), are you using a RE with CS3222271 (D9JNL) - same as me ?
I think ToyTen's kit is CS3222270 (D9GTR) :sonic:

Happy to post my CS3222271-based settings, but for which clocks ?

Also what happens above 400FSB on yours ? Is your kit memtest stable at rated 800mhz/CL7 - mine needs about 1.68V for that.

Thanks cheapseats for your response & Happy New Year to all at Xtreme Systems..

As to your question, I am running I think the exact CS3222271 RAM as you as can be seen from the image below and I am struggling to get FSB beyond 380Mhz:confused:..I am stable though at 360 on OCCT which is hopelessly poor. All Bios settings are on AUTO except for the strap which is at 333 & the voltage increases shown on the Everest sensor page. I am also running it pretty cool on a WC for CPU / NB & GPU (8800 GTS slightly ovclkd).
I know in a post you sent on 8 Dec you showed FSB's from 450 at 1:2 all the way to 562 at 5:8 which is by my standard miraculous!!. I am using fairly similar volts increases as yourself but I am not sure whether I need to change the mem timings in Bios or via Memset.
I hope you can help as the lot of you here seem to be quiet geniuses at the huge overclocks...

Hey man if you need any help just post here and I don't mind to help~
IMO, 380FSB should be a piece of cake considerin X48 natively supports 1600Mhz related FSB (400Mhz FSB).
If you're unstable in higher FSBs it's more likely that your ram is not stable. Hence a memtest86+ 2.01 run is recommended...
CPU VTT is rather high. For my rig I only need 1.19v to get 545FSB stable.
vCore is rather high as well. Most E8600 can do 4Ghz below 1.3v...
vNB is way too high...1.4v should be more then enough.
Also Set NBGTL to +20mv and it should give you a more stable situation.
Please try this out and report back so that to find out which part is holding you back:up:
12-31-2008, 03:07 AM
ragheb

Thank you ci2kla very much.
Will follow your advise and report in a few hours. My only concern is whether the RAM is able to run at these speeds at any settings?
Do all of the RAM you quote in your sig run at the 545*8 at 7-6-5-18?
Cheers
12-31-2008, 03:16 AM
cheapseats

ragheb, maybe try this at 450FSB - since it's for the same kit etc, it could save time over working up from 360FSB. It's the maximum Memtest86+/HCI stable CL7 clock my kit will do. All volts are lower than you have been using....;)

As ci2kla mentioned - can you test with Memtest86+ and see what happens in Test 3 ? On my kit Test 3 shows errors with under- and overvolting, before any other test. With the other 450FSB settings below, vDIMM should be the only adjustment needed for the memory if your kit is capable of 900mhz/CL7.

If you can't pass 86+ at any vDIMM (higher or lower than mine), then bring down FSB 10mhz and test again. Keeping vDIMM as low as possible is key with my kit.

Not much to set for this FSB.....vTT/GTL *might* need adjustment/testing with higher CPU multi and vCORE, but vNB < 1.45V is plenty for 450x10/1:2/CL7 clocks using E8600 and 2x1GB CS3222271.

Hope it works :)

For 0403/1001 BIOS

1:2/900mhz/CL7 settings for CS3222271/E8600 (no CPU overclock)

Code:

AI OVERCLOCK TUNER =========================MANUAL OC FROM CPU LEVEL ==========================AUTO OC FROM MEMORY LEVEL UP ====================AUTO FSB FREQUENCY ==============================450 CPU RATIO SETTING ==========================6-7.5 CPU CLOCK SKEW =============================AUTO NB CLOCK SKEW ==============================AUTO FSB STRAP TO NORTH BRIDGE ==================266 or 333 PCIE FREQUENCY =============================100 DRAM FREQUENCY =============================1800 DRAM COMAND RATE ===========================1N DRAM TIMING CONTROL ========================MANUAL CAS LATENCY ================================7 RAS TO CAS DELAY ===========================7 RAS PRE TIME ===============================7 RAS ACT TIME ===============================14 RAS TO RAS DELAY ===========================AUTO REF CYCLE TIME =============================AUTO WRITE RECOVERY TIME ========================AUTO READ TO PRE TIME ===========================AUTO READ TO WRITE DELAY S/D ====================AUTO WRITE TO READ DELAY S ======================AUTO WRITE TO READ DELAY D ======================AUTO READ TO READ DELAY S =======================AUTO READ TO READ DELAY D =======================AUTO WRITE TO WRITE DELAY S =====================AUTO WRITE TO WRITE DELAY D =====================AUTO WRITE TO PRE DELAY =========================AUTO READ TO PRE DELAY ==========================AUTO PRE TO PRE DELAY ===========================AUTO ALL PRE TO ACT DELAY =======================AUTO ALL PRE TO REF DELAY =======================AUTO DRAM STATIC READ CONTROL ===================AUTO DRAM DYNAMIC WRITE CONTROL =================AUTO DRAM SKEW CONTROL DRAM CMD SKEW ON CHANNEL A = AUTO DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM A1 = AUTO DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM A2 = AUTO DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM A1 = AUTO DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM A2 = AUTO DRAM CMD SKEW ON CHANNEL B = AUTO DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM B1 = AUTO DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM B2 = AUTO DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM B1 = AUTO DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM B2 = AUTO AI CLOCK TWISTER ===========================MODERATE or STRONG AI TRANSACTION BOOSTER =====================MANUAL PERFORMANCE LEVEL ==========================06 PULL-IN OF CHA PH1 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH2 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH3 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH4 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH5 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH1 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH2 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH3 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH4 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH5 =========================DISABLED EPU II PHASE CONTROL =======================AUTO CPU VOLTAGE ================================SET AS VID LOAD-LINE CALIBRATION ======================DISABLED CPU PLL VOLTAGE ===========================1.51 FSB TERMINATION VOLTAGE ===================1.10 CPU GTLVREF 0 ==============================AUTO CPU GTLVREF 1 ==============================AUTO CPU GTLVREF 2 ==============================AUTO CPU GTLVREF 3 ==============================AUTO NB GTLVREF =================================AUTO NORTH BRIDGE VOLTAGE =======================1.41-1.43 DRAM VOLTAGE ===============================AS REQUIRED (MINE: 1.88-1.90 FOR HCI) NB DDRVREF =================================AUTO DDR3 CHANNEL A VREF ========================AUTO DDR3 CHANNEL B VREF ========================AUTO SOUTH BRIDGE 1.5 VOLTAGE ===================1.51 SOUTH BRIDGE 1.05 VOLTAGE ==================1.06 CPU SPREAD SPRECTRUM =======================DISABLED PCIE SPREAD SPECTRUM =======================DISABLED
12-31-2008, 03:41 AM
ragheb

Great cheapseats. will report once I have finished all tests.:up:
12-31-2008, 07:25 AM
GLENBOY

634fsb and ddr3 ram at 2113mhz on rampage extreme with e8600 (q822a435)

i thought i'd see what ramspeed and fsb i could do the everest memory benchmark at , this is using the 400 strap and loose memory subtimings and tref on ram set at 100 and running and on performance level 10 so not mind blowing numbers

Volts used
cpu 1. 392 (1.4 set in bios llc enabled)
northbridge 1.73
vtt 1.40
ram 2.04

cpu pll 1.51 set in bios

upped southbridge voltages to 1.6 (for the 1.5 one) and 1.1 (for the 1.05 one)

http://gbwatches.com/pics/634fsb.jpg
01-01-2009, 01:16 AM
quattro_

at last its here:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i4...s/DSC00093.jpg

more:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=212914
01-01-2009, 03:12 AM
Zeus

Awesome! :slobber: Can't wait to get mine.
01-01-2009, 04:43 AM
Solarfall

Quote:

Originally Posted by quattro_

at last its here:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i4...s/DSC00093.jpg

more:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=212914

GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR thats is pure sex :shocked::shocked:
01-01-2009, 08:29 AM
cstkl1

563fsb rampage extreme e8600 samsung hco 4gb kit skewing

ok sold off my rampage 2 extreme
e8600 only

here is the super stable setup for skewing at 563fsb 1800mhz 8-8-8-24 1t 2x2gb samsung hco team xtreem pc3-16000

Code:

AI OVERCLOCK TUNER =========================MANUAL OC FROM CPU LEVEL ==========================AUTO OC FROM MEMORY LEVEL UP ====================AUTO FSB FREQUENCY ==============================564 CPU RATIO SETTING ==========================7-8 CPU CLOCK SKEW =============================Delay 200 NB CLOCK SKEW ==============================Normal FSB STRAP TO NORTH BRIDGE ==================333 PCIE FREQUENCY =============================100 DRAM FREQUENCY =============================1800 DRAM COMAND RATE ===========================1N DRAM TIMING CONTROL ========================MANUAL CAS LATENCY ================================8 RAS TO CAS DELAY ===========================8 RAS PRE TIME ===============================8 RAS ACT TIME ===============================24 RAS TO RAS DELAY ===========================AUTO REF CYCLE TIME =============================72/88 WRITE RECOVERY TIME ========================AUTO READ TO PRE TIME ===========================AUTO READ TO WRITE DELAY S/D ====================AUTO WRITE TO READ DELAY S ======================AUTO WRITE TO READ DELAY D ======================AUTO READ TO READ DELAY S =======================AUTO READ TO READ DELAY D =======================AUTO WRITE TO WRITE DELAY S =====================AUTO WRITE TO WRITE DELAY D =====================AUTO WRITE TO PRE DELAY =========================AUTO READ TO PRE DELAY ==========================AUTO PRE TO PRE DELAY ===========================AUTO ALL PRE TO ACT DELAY =======================AUTO ALL PRE TO REF DELAY =======================AUTO DRAM STATIC READ CONTROL ===================AUTO DRAM DYNAMIC WRITE CONTROL =================AUTO DRAM SKEW CONTROL DRAM CMD SKEW ON CHANNEL A = Normal DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM A1 = Advance 125 DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM A2 = Advance 125 DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM A1 = Advance 25 DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM A2 = Advance 25 DRAM CMD SKEW ON CHANNEL B = Advance 50 DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM B1 = Advance 100 DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM B2 = Advance 100 DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM B1 = Advance 50 DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM B2 = Advance 50 DRAM Read/Dynamic Write = Disabled AI CLOCK TWISTER ===========================MODERATE AI TRANSACTION BOOSTER =====================MANUAL PERFORMANCE LEVEL ==========================09 PULL-IN OF CHA PH1 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH2 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH3 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH4 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH5 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH1 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH2 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH3 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH4 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH5 =========================DISABLED EPU II PHASE CONTROL =======================AUTO CPU VOLTAGE ================================ LOAD-LINE CALIBRATION ======================DISABLED CPU PLL VOLTAGE ===========================1.51 FSB TERMINATION VOLTAGE ===================1.29 CPU GTLVREF 0 ==============================+40 CPU GTLVREF 1 ==============================AUTO CPU GTLVREF 2 ==============================AUTO CPU GTLVREF 3 ==============================AUTO NB GTLVREF =================================AUTO NORTH BRIDGE VOLTAGE =======================1.59 DRAM VOLTAGE ===============================1.9 NB DDRVREF =================================+12.5 DDR3 CHANNEL A VREF ========================+25 DDR3 CHANNEL B VREF ========================+25 SOUTH BRIDGE 1.5 VOLTAGE ===================1.51 SOUTH BRIDGE 1.05 VOLTAGE ==================1.06 CPU SPREAD SPRECTRUM =======================DISABLED PCIE SPREAD SPECTRUM =======================DISABLED

[/QUOTE]

ram skewing
for 500fsb 1600mhz Cl7-7-7-20-1t
use same skewing except no nbdram /dram A/B = Auto, fsb termination 1.12
dram at 1.67 ....nb = 1.25v
400fsb is the same.

vtt for 563 fsb termination issue .....1.19 for IBT stable
but will fail on my test 3 for orthos .. set blend.. then custom min fft 4096... only fsb termination at 1.29 will pass.
theres other ways to force 1.19 to pass for both but will result in weird irregular issues with usb ports.
01-01-2009, 08:52 AM
ragheb

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Ok. I ve got the results below of the first changes pending a collection of advice from some of you wizards. However, and a very odd behaviour :confused: is that when i set the mem timings manually in bios, they seem to revert to auto when I check in cpuz or memset!! Anyway, managed to modify in memset but 10% in memtest and got errors so I am assuming either more volts or lousy memory and need to drop a few mhz & see how that goes. Will keep you posted..but would appreciate your feedback.
Cheers,
01-01-2009, 09:30 AM
Ghostleader

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

ok sold off my rampage 2 extreme
e8600 only

here is the super stable setup for skewing at 563fsb 1800mhz 8-8-8-24 1t 2x2gb samsung hco team xtreem pc3-16000

ram skewing
for 500fsb 1600mhz Cl7-7-7-20-1t
use same skewing except no nbdram /dram A/B = Auto, fsb termination 1.12
dram at 1.67 ....nb = 1.25v
400fsb is the same.

vtt for 563 fsb termination issue .....1.19 for IBT stable
but will fail on my test 3 for orthos .. set blend.. then custom min fft 4096... only fsb termination at 1.29 will pass.
theres other ways to force 1.19 to pass for both but will result in weird irregular issues with usb ports.

Nice of you to share this with us. :up:

I really like to know how do you know how to tune all of those DRAM skews?

I don´t even know how to start tuning those skews. Feel free to PM me with some guidelines.

What will be your next board?
01-01-2009, 02:28 PM
ragheb

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Another set of results, this time at 500 FSB with 99924 & 1.92 Vdimm.
I could not get better timing with the Cellshock CS3222271 not matter what high vdimm I used. Also needed to increase PL to 12 & CR to 2T to get it stable under memtest as you can see. Very disappointed with this RAM so far :down: or I am doing something wrong. I had hopes of getting 77720 at 500 FSB with this high vdimm.
Apologies for the picture quality..something odd happened when I resized it to fit the 200kb limit
01-01-2009, 03:18 PM
ragheb

I am getting really perplexed at this behaviour. I cannot figure out why CPUz is showing completely different timings to the one I have set manually in bios!!!
Also, following cheapseats advice I have set the strap to be in bios at 333 & DRAM Freq at 1800; so I assumed this will always be a 5:8 ratio that I am after but CPUz shows it as 1:2!!!
I am using 0501 bios for the moment as I read it is the best for high FSB with an E8600.
Can anyone explain this & help please?
01-01-2009, 05:51 PM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghostleader

Nice of you to share this with us. :up:

I really like to know how do you know how to tune all of those DRAM skews?

I don´t even know how to start tuning those skews. Feel free to PM me with some guidelines.

What will be your next board?

dont mind posting just that some joker will take this and make it a permanent guide for everything...
that is just pure misinformation

ok ram skewing guide for e8600 + samsung hco 2x2gb dimm a2/b2 the rest u have u test it ureself

software needed memtest86 / IBT / Orthos

Before u begin u must set the cpu skew/nb skew.. and not leave it in auto.
for e8600 confirmed up to 500fsb both is set at normal
oops forgot to mention that.

CLK Skew
first skew to test would be clk leave the rest in auto
so far i found that leaving Channel A +25 advance more than Channel B
use IBT to confirm say in windows diagnostic mode 4gb kit atleast 60 roughly 4 hours and 2gb kit atleast 200 runs with 1600mhz above i had to use clk skews +nb/dram vtt

CTL Skew and CMD Skew
with the ram i tested i found out that CMD skew is the indicator for ctl skew
meaning if the cmd skew is on delay than the ctl skew also must be in delay
if the cmd skew is on advance than the ctl skew is also in advance
and for me cmd skew is best with channel A1/A2 advance 50 to channel B1/B2
and for ctl skew like cheapseat uses channel A1/A2 delayed 25 to channel B1/B2

Test first initial test
use memtest86 test 5 only and run in loops... set vdimm one notch below than the perfect vdimm confirmed at ure setting
test 5 for memtest86 is the best indicator for nb voltage/vdimm voltage and skewing stability and also tRFC..
so example if u set cmd skew in delay then delay the ctl skews and test
find the limit.
later retest with clk skews to find the best almost perfect to pass excepts maybe hangs on pass 2-3. Take note there is no errors.. only hang.. if errors that means skewing is wrongly set.

Retest with orthos in diagnostic mode
Set to blend.. and then custom min fft 4096 max 4096 priority 10.
try to pass more than 4 hours... take note this is hard.. a lot of test that will pass memtest86/hci memtest will not pass this.
example the config above trfc 60 pass 35 mins/72 4hours 12 mins/88 24 hours manually stopped
also noted was at 563 fsb fsb termination at 1.19 for IBT but for this test requires 1.29
have fun

1600 CL7 tRFC 110.. vdimm 1.65 for samsung hco 2x2gb with the same skewing

then try running 3dmark06 in loops.. and see whether ure gc fps sometiemes goes haywire..
so far with the skewing i did above solved all this issue

eh sorry typo had to give back my rampage 2 extreme.. test unit
and sold off the rampage extreme because i am tired and dont think can go further

also last note.. with the skewing above u can reduce ure nb voltage example for 563 fsb from no skewing at 1.61set(1.59set) to skewing at 1.59set( 1.56 true).. i call that worth it...
so far doesnt do much for vdimm voltages for me personally
also y skewing is so important
so far from my experience if i get 4ghz and whatever fsb super stable and all the skewing right.. then upping the multi and vcore is 100% confirmed and trouble free from any ram or nb voltage issues...this is y this mobo can do 4.5ghz confirm stable everytime
the maximus 2 etc.. i can get today 4.5ghz stable 6 hours small fft priority 10.. and again tommorow fail in 3 minutes.. and next day pass 1 hour etc etc.. because of skewing..
vcore voltage reduction ... cmd skews affects this..
01-01-2009, 07:20 PM
cheapseats

ragheb,

if BIOS settings don't save properly: clear CMOS with switch on IO panel and re-enter settings manually (not from a saved USB profile), or reflash BIOS and enter settings manually. I've always needed to reflash though.

I couldn't get stable on 0501 with CS3222271, I've only found Memtest stability on 0403 and 1001 for these settings.

You are correctly running 1:2 for the posted 450FSB settings. 5:8 is the next ratio down on the 333 strap. If you can stabilise at 450/1:2 (900mhz), then the memory itself will be ok for 563/5:8 (also 900mhz).

563/5:8 gives same Everest Read and Latency scores as 475/1:2, but is achieved with a lower memory clock and vDIMM.
01-01-2009, 09:48 PM
cheapseats

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

......Retest with orthos in diagnostic mode
Set to blend.. and then custom min fft 4096 max 4096 priority 10.
try to pass more than 4 hours... take note this is hard.. a lot of test that will pass memtest86/hci memtest will not pass this.........

This fails 4096k test in 1 hour max.

I've included the full settings anyway, in case anyone wants to give them a spin....;)

worth a bit more work though as 200strap/tRD6 (above 475FSB) gives reasonable performance for CL8.
All other straps are slower with CL8/1:2 at 500FSB.

500x9 / 1000mhz / 200 strap / CL8 / tRD 6 / CT Strong

http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/q...IB50P_CS_L.gif

thanks cstkl1 for the GTL, IBT stability is better than with my GTL :up:

Code:

AI OVERCLOCK TUNER =========================MANUAL OC FROM CPU LEVEL ==========================AUTO OC FROM MEMORY LEVEL UP ====================AUTO FSB FREQUENCY ==============================500 CPU RATIO SETTING ==========================09 CPU CLOCK SKEW =============================AUTO NB CLOCK SKEW ==============================AUTO FSB STRAP TO NORTH BRIDGE ==================200 PCIE FREQUENCY =============================101 DRAM FREQUENCY =============================2000 DRAM COMAND RATE ===========================1N DRAM TIMING CONTROL ========================MANUAL CAS LATENCY ================================8 RAS TO CAS DELAY ===========================8 RAS PRE TIME ===============================8 RAS ACT TIME ===============================24 RAS TO RAS DELAY ===========================AUTO REF CYCLE TIME =============================AUTO WRITE RECOVERY TIME ========================AUTO READ TO PRE TIME ===========================AUTO READ TO WRITE DELAY S/D ====================AUTO WRITE TO READ DELAY S ======================AUTO WRITE TO READ DELAY D ======================AUTO READ TO READ DELAY S =======================AUTO READ TO READ DELAY D =======================AUTO WRITE TO WRITE DELAY S =====================AUTO WRITE TO WRITE DELAY D =====================AUTO WRITE TO PRE DELAY =========================AUTO READ TO PRE DELAY ==========================AUTO PRE TO PRE DELAY ===========================AUTO ALL PRE TO ACT DELAY =======================AUTO ALL PRE TO REF DELAY =======================AUTO DRAM STATIC READ CONTROL ===================AUTO DRAM DYNAMIC WRITE CONTROL =================AUTO DRAM SKEW CONTROL DRAM CMD SKEW ON CHANNEL A = AUTO DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM A1 = AUTO DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM A2 = AUTO DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM A1 = AUTO DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM A2 = AUTO DRAM CMD SKEW ON CHANNEL B = AUTO DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM B1 = AUTO DRAM CLK SKEW ON DIMM B2 = AUTO DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM B1 = AUTO DRAM CTL SKEW ON DIMM B2 = AUTO AI CLOCK TWISTER ===========================STRONG AI TRANSACTION BOOSTER =====================MANUAL PERFORMANCE LEVEL ==========================06 PULL-IN OF CHA PH1 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH2 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH3 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH4 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHA PH5 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH1 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH2 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH3 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH4 =========================DISABLED PULL-IN OF CHB PH5 =========================DISABLED EPU II PHASE CONTROL =======================AUTO CPU VOLTAGE ================================1.375 LOAD-LINE CALIBRATION ======================ENABLED CPU PLL VOLTAGE ===========================1.617 FSB TERMINATION VOLTAGE ===================1.391 CPU GTLVREF 0 ============================== +40 CPU GTLVREF 1 ==============================AUTO CPU GTLVREF 2 ==============================AUTO CPU GTLVREF 3 ==============================AUTO NB GTLVREF =================================AUTO NORTH BRIDGE VOLTAGE =======================1.603 DRAM VOLTAGE ===============================1.908 NB DDRVREF ================================= +12.5 DDR3 CHANNEL A VREF ======================== +12.5 DDR3 CHANNEL B VREF ======================== +12.5 SOUTH BRIDGE 1.5 VOLTAGE ===================1.617 SOUTH BRIDGE 1.05 VOLTAGE ==================1.100 CPU SPREAD SPRECTRUM =======================DISABLED PCIE SPREAD SPECTRUM =======================DISABLED
01-01-2009, 10:30 PM
mikeyakame

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

dont mind posting just that some joker will take this and make it a permanent guide for everything...
that is just pure misinformation

ok ram skewing guide for e8600 + samsung hco 2x2gb dimm a2/b2 the rest u have u test it ureself

software needed memtest86 / IBT / Orthos

Before u begin u must set the cpu skew/nb skew.. and not leave it in auto.
for e8600 confirmed up to 500fsb both is set at normal
oops forgot to mention that.

CLK Skew
first skew to test would be clk leave the rest in auto
so far i found that leaving Channel A +25 advance more than Channel B
use IBT to confirm say in windows diagnostic mode 4gb kit atleast 60 roughly 4 hours and 2gb kit atleast 200 runs with 1600mhz above i had to use clk skews +nb/dram vtt

CTL Skew and CMD Skew
with the ram i tested i found out that CMD skew is the indicator for ctl skew
meaning if the cmd skew is on delay than the ctl skew also must be in delay
if the cmd skew is on advance than the ctl skew is also in advance
and for me cmd skew is best with channel A1/A2 advance 50 to channel B1/B2
and for ctl skew like cheapseat uses channel A1/A2 delayed 25 to channel B1/B2

Test first initial test
use memtest86 test 5 only and run in loops... set vdimm one notch below than the perfect vdimm confirmed at ure setting
test 5 for memtest86 is the best indicator for nb voltage/vdimm voltage and skewing stability and also tRFC..
so example if u set cmd skew in delay then delay the ctl skews and test
find the limit.
later retest with clk skews to find the best almost perfect to pass excepts maybe hangs on pass 2-3. Take note there is no errors.. only hang.. if errors that means skewing is wrongly set.

Retest with orthos in diagnostic mode
Set to blend.. and then custom min fft 4096 max 4096 priority 10.
try to pass more than 4 hours... take note this is hard.. a lot of test that will pass memtest86/hci memtest will not pass this.
example the config above trfc 60 pass 35 mins/72 4hours 12 mins/88 24 hours manually stopped
also noted was at 563 fsb fsb termination at 1.19 for IBT but for this test requires 1.29
have fun

1600 CL7 tRFC 110.. vdimm 1.65 for samsung hco 2x2gb with the same skewing

then try running 3dmark06 in loops.. and see whether ure gc fps sometiemes goes haywire..
so far with the skewing i did above solved all this issue

eh sorry typo had to give back my rampage 2 extreme.. test unit
and sold off the rampage extreme because i am tired and dont think can go further

also last note.. with the skewing above u can reduce ure nb voltage example for 563 fsb from no skewing at 1.61set(1.59set) to skewing at 1.59set( 1.56 true).. i call that worth it...
so far doesnt do much for vdimm voltages for me personally
also y skewing is so important
so far from my experience if i get 4ghz and whatever fsb super stable and all the skewing right.. then upping the multi and vcore is 100% confirmed and trouble free from any ram or nb voltage issues...this is y this mobo can do 4.5ghz confirm stable everytime
the maximus 2 etc.. i can get today 4.5ghz stable 6 hours small fft priority 10.. and again tommorow fail in 3 minutes.. and next day pass 1 hour etc etc.. because of skewing..
vcore voltage reduction ... cmd skews affects this..

if you are interested in what the bios skew settings actually change, you can look at mchbar register dumps.

the offsets are:

for clock fine delay, value in register equates to: 1h = ~50ps values are in delay clock periods. ie. 1T.
This is the register format as anexample.

At 513h offset = 35h, 5 = Dimm1 (A1) Fine Delay, 3 = Dimm2 (A2) Fine Delay
At 913h offset = 34h, 4 = Dimm3 (B1) Fine Delay, 3 = Dimm4 (B2) Fine Delay

512h offset = 96h, 6 = Channel A Data Strobe Skew (tDQS) DRAM end of cross clocking, 9 = Channel A Data Strobe Delay Skew MCH end of cross clocking
912h is the same, ie 94h.

Since there is no data from Intel on these registers, their definition is what I understand they reflect. DFI's X48 bios allows these values to be set individually so I'm going off the way they name the options, haven't sat down and double checked on a DFI board but as far as I can tell they should be correct. I've changed their values at the registers manually and ran multiple synthetic benchmarks for each change. The change in memory bandwidth with adjustment reflects DFIs definition of what they do.

FED14510-11h 00 00
FED15512-13h 96 35
FED14910-11h 00 00
FED14912-13h 94 34

channel A dimm 1+2 clock fine delay is 14513h, channel A address strobe skew is 14512h.
channel B dimm 3+4 clock fine delay is 14913h, ( 1h = 50ps values are in delay clocks ), channel B address strobe skew is 14912h.

Data Strobe Skews may be in nano seconds or cross clock periods, hard to say.

cpu / nb clock skews set the delay from know clockgen turnaround skew on the ic, to when the cpu and nb drive their internal clock waves and meet necessary time to setup/pulldown/complete bus transactions end to end. if there is a setting to change the differential drive amplitude, increasing it gradually as FSB frequency becomes faster and faster can help to limit excess deskew from taking place and give much finer adjustment with a bit of trial and error. this becomes increasingly critical as the period for a clock becomes smaller as frequency gets higher, 100ps will at times be too coarse to obtain stability or consistency.
01-02-2009, 01:56 AM
DerekT

New BIOS 1003 was on the ASUS website today. It took me a while as it kept going off and on, but I downloaded it. I have gameplay stability where I did not before. I was stable on Linpack, Memtest, etc. but could not achieve gameplay at the high clocks. Now it is seemingly stable with two hours of Crysis Warhead.

Crossing fingers.
01-02-2009, 04:32 AM
Ghostleader

@cstkl1

Thanks, much appreciated :up:, you should have all respect for your help. :clap:

I´m gonna get back to my RE in a near future to test some more, very interesting board, right now I´m testing Gigabyte EP45-UD3P, great OC for that money I most say.
01-02-2009, 05:35 AM
ragheb

Thanks cheapseats for your feedback. Just flashed back to 1001 & reset the CMOS pushing the rear button in the back & manually re-entered all the relevant entries.
Unfortunately I am still getting what looks like the AUTO settings but the weird thing only on the tRCD, tRP, tRAS & PL settings??.:upset: But CL, CR & the rest are as I specified in bios..:confused:
The thing is that the manual settings are there when I reboot back in bios but for some heck knows reason these are not being retained in WinXP or CPUz is completely wrong & I doubt that very much as Memset is showing exactly the same!!
Anyone has had this odd behaviour before?
01-02-2009, 06:18 AM
rob2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragheb

Anyone has had this odd behaviour before?

Yes - it IS very annoying but I had the same thing with 0801 bios.

What cleared it was to go into the bios load default values-> save & exit and then boot to Windows. Then I restarted and entered the settings manually upon post. It is important not to load any saved profiles from any other bios which also caught me out.
01-02-2009, 06:34 AM
Gullo92

rob2k can you post your settings with 472 fsb?? thanks

Gullo
01-02-2009, 06:35 AM
ragheb

Thank you rob2k. Will get on this immediately..
01-02-2009, 06:47 AM
Ozzfest05

omg those waterblocks are intense nice
01-02-2009, 07:15 AM
ragheb

I am going mad...Just did what rob2k and still f***ing doing the same!!
Running on 1001 bios but will flash the 1003 and load defaults and see maybe this one works better.
01-02-2009, 07:28 AM
Gullo92

ROB2K CAN YOU POST your settings with 472 fsb please. thanks excuse me for my english i'm italian.
01-02-2009, 08:53 AM
rob2k

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@ ragheb - Nightmare !!, another thing I did at the same time was to uninstall Memset just in case this was changing the settings whilst Windows was booting.

@ DerekT - Cheers for the heads up. 1003 is working well here too. I can now run Intel Burn Test and HyperPi at 475FSB

Attachment 92010

@ Gullo92 - Will PM my settings to you to save space.
01-02-2009, 09:11 AM
GLENBOY

hi there where you downloading the 1003 bios from , thanks
01-02-2009, 09:16 AM
Gullo92

can you post bios 1003? i don't find it
01-02-2009, 09:28 AM
cheapseats

1003 only seemed to be at these 2 earlier

http://support.asus.de/download/down...Language=en-us

http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Language=en-us
01-02-2009, 04:19 PM
DerekT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gullo92

can you post bios 1003? i don't find it

Here you go.

http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Language=en-us

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob2k

@ DerekT - Cheers for the heads up. 1003 is working well here too. I can now run Intel Burn Test and HyperPi at 475FSB

Yep. I am now fully game stable.
01-03-2009, 12:41 AM
ragheb

You know what rob2k I think you are absolutely right about Memset. It places an entry on the in the windows startup files.
I will disable this and see if that sort this weird thing up..thanks for the hunch.
01-03-2009, 03:11 AM
ragheb

rob2k..Well done :up:for your input. the mem timings now work but you neednt uninstall Memset, just uncheck the entry using msconfig and it should bypass the last saved file.
01-03-2009, 04:33 AM
Gullo92

hi

in to bios do you have changed other settings?? example chipest ecc.. because the ram is unstable with voltage 2.05.

you put the ram into slot white or blue??
01-03-2009, 05:16 AM
GLENBOY

both slots generally similar but the white slots are supposed to be the best ones
01-03-2009, 08:29 AM
Gullo92

i have q9550 rammpage extreme ad corsair dominator 1800( ram of rob2k) the overclock of cpu is with multi 8.5 my q9550 has multi 8.5. excuseme for my english i'm italian
01-03-2009, 11:24 AM
ragheb

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Quote:

worth a bit more work though as 200strap/tRD6 (above 475FSB) gives reasonable performance for CL8.
All other straps are slower with CL8/1:2 at 500FSB.

500x9 / 1000mhz / 200 strap / CL8 / tRD 6 / CT Strong

thanks cstkl1 for the GTL, IBT stability is better than with my GTL

Code:

AI OVERCLOCK TUNER =========================MANUAL
FSB FREQUENCY ==============================500
CPU RATIO SETTING ==========================09

FSB STRAP TO NORTH BRIDGE ==================200
PCIE FREQUENCY =============================101
DRAM FREQUENCY =============================2000
DRAM COMAND RATE ===========================1N

CAS LATENCY ================================8
RAS TO CAS DELAY ===========================8
RAS PRE TIME ===============================8
RAS ACT TIME ===============================24

AI CLOCK TWISTER ===========================STRONG
AI TRANSACTION BOOSTER =====================MANUAL
PERFORMANCE LEVEL ==========================06

PCPU VOLTAGE ================================1.375
LOAD-LINE CALIBRATION ======================ENABLED
CPU PLL VOLTAGE ===========================1.617
FSB TERMINATION VOLTAGE ===================1.391
CPU GTLVREF 0 ============================== +40

NORTH BRIDGE VOLTAGE =======================1.603
DRAM VOLTAGE ===============================1.908
NB DDRVREF ================================= +12.5
DDR3 CHANNEL A VREF ======================== +12.5
DDR3 CHANNEL B VREF ======================== +12.5
SOUTH BRIDGE 1.5 VOLTAGE ===================1.617
SOUTH BRIDGE 1.05 VOLTAGE ==================1.100

CPU SPREAD SPRECTRUM =======================DISABLED
PCIE SPREAD SPECTRUM =======================DISABLED

Thanks cstkl1 & cheapseats for your help:). I managed finally to get the following setup see picture as per cheapseats above bios settings. Memtest stable after 100% run but have not yet pushed my rig to fully be happy that it completely stable at these speeds.

Anyway, glad to have resolved this finally but now I want to hit 600 FSB & I was wondering what I need to put in bios in order to always get a 5:8 FSB to DRAM ratio?

__________________
Rampage Extreme (1003)
E8600 (Q822A438 / vid 1.25)
CM Cosmos S Case with 4 fans
Nvidia BFG 8500GTS 512MB
Zalman XT WCooling CPU, GPU & NB
CS3222271 2x1GB
CM M1000 Modular PSU
WinXP x86 on Gigabyte i-RAM 4x1 GB RAM
WD Raptor 75GB & Samsung F1 1000 HDs
01-03-2009, 11:45 AM
GLENBOY

very nice ragheb performance level 6 at ddr2040 , excellent :up:
01-03-2009, 01:05 PM
ragheb

Thank you Glenboy.
I was getting rather frustrated with my Cellshock RAM & I must say it is very finicky with vDIMM above 1.90 with huge instability in Windows. Nevertheless it maintains tight timings very well at that vDIMM.
Now, I'd like to get into the 600Mhz Club...

_________________________
Rampage Extreme (1003)
E8600 (Q822A438 / vid 1.26)
CM Cosmos S Case with 4 fans
Nvidia BFG 8500GTS 512MB
Zalman XT WCooling CPU, GPU & NB
CS3222271 2x1GB
CM M1000 Modular PSU
WinXP x86 on Gigabyte i-RAM 4x1 GB RAM
WD Raptor 75GB & Samsung F1 1000 HDs
01-03-2009, 10:17 PM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

also last note.. with the skewing above u can reduce ure nb voltage example for 563 fsb from no skewing at 1.61set(1.59set) to skewing at 1.59set( 1.56 true).. i call that worth it...
so far doesnt do much for vdimm voltages for me personally
also y skewing is so important
so far from my experience if i get 4ghz and whatever fsb super stable and all the skewing right.. then upping the multi and vcore is 100% confirmed and trouble free from any ram or nb voltage issues...this is y this mobo can do 4.5ghz confirm stable everytime
the maximus 2 etc.. i can get today 4.5ghz stable 6 hours small fft priority 10.. and again tommorow fail in 3 minutes.. and next day pass 1 hour etc etc.. because of skewing..
vcore voltage reduction ... cmd skews affects this..

Thanks for your guide too will try that out later...
Yeah that may solve my problem as well...as my E8400 E0 can run small FFTs overnight @ 1.33v/4.36Ghz but fails @4.5Ghz no matter how high the voltages I pumped...so does it means it maybe possibly related to DRAM CMD Skew? Thanks in advance...
01-04-2009, 04:25 AM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragheb

Thank you Glenboy.
I was getting rather frustrated with my Cellshock RAM & I must say it is very finicky with vDIMM above 1.90 with huge instability in Windows. Nevertheless it maintains tight timings very well at that vDIMM.
Now, I'd like to get into the 600Mhz Club...

_________________________
Rampage Extreme (1003)
E8600 (Q822A438 / vid 1.26)
CM Cosmos S Case with 4 fans
Nvidia BFG 8500GTS 512MB
Zalman XT WCooling CPU, GPU & NB
CS3222271 2x1GB
CM M1000 Modular PSU
WinXP x86 on Gigabyte i-RAM 4x1 GB RAM
WD Raptor 75GB & Samsung F1 1000 HDs

My Crucial Value (D9JNL) also have this problem.
If I bump more then 1.9v no matter what frequencies I set (even 1066Mhz) it still got wierd memtest86+ errors. The error will count in but the details won't always show below the screen. And it's confirmed not overheat issue. While that kit REALLY disappointing as with 1.9v still cannot get 1664Mhz CAS7 Stable.:down:
01-04-2009, 06:22 AM
ragheb

Hi ci2kla,
check the post (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1812) where I managed 1800 with CL7 with my RAM.
See if you can replicate it using the same settings..
Good luck
01-04-2009, 09:25 AM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragheb

Hi ci2kla,
check the post (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1812) where I managed 1800 with CL7 with my RAM.
See if you can replicate it using the same settings..
Good luck

Thanks but sorry not likely...I've tried like 40 different combinations but still no luck:(
01-04-2009, 10:54 AM
ragheb

ci2kla,
I see that you are using 0701 as bios ver from your sig. Have you tried 1003. Running stable at 485*9.5 at 1.4v & 88824 1T with PL=6 suprisingly & I think this has quite a bit to do with the latest bios.
01-04-2009, 03:24 PM
Gullo92

Help Me For Overclocking!!!

can you help me with overclocking??. i have rampage extreme(with bios 1003) intel q9550 corsair dominator 1800 mhz 2n 2.00V 7 7 7 20(my ram haven't xmp function). help me please. can you post settings with my setup? excuse me for my english i'm italian. this is the settings of rob2k he is a qx9770( in this overclock have multi 8.5 q9550 have multi 8.5) rampage extreme and my ram.

475 settings - BIOS 1003

Extreme Tweaker

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From Memory Level Up: Auto
FSB Frequency: 475
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5

CPU Configuration

CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Core Multi-Processing: Enabled

CPU Clock Skew: Delay 300ps
NB Clock Skew: Delay 200ps
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 400
PCIE Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1900
DRAM Command Rate: 1N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information: 7-7-7-21-8-88-12-6 (7-6-6-20 @ 472)
CAS# Latency: 7
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 7
RAS# Pre Time: 7
RAS# ACT Time: 21
RAS# To RAS# Delay: 8
REF Cycle Time: 88
WRITE Recovery Time: 12
READ to Pre Time: 6
2nd Information : 8-7-6-4-7-4-7
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 8
WRITE to READ Delay (S): 7
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 6
READ to READ (S): 4
READ to READ (D): 7
WRITE to WRITE (S): 4
WRITE to WRITE (D): 7
3RD Information: 23-8-1-8-8
WRITE to PRE Delay: 23
READ to PRE Delay: 8
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 8
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 8
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Dynamic Write Control: Disabled

DRAM Skew Control

DRAM CMD Skew on Channel A: Delay 75ps
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM A2: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM A1: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM A2: Auto
DRAM CMD Skew on Channel B: Delay 150ps
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM B2: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM B1: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM B2: Auto

Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Auto
Common Performance Level: 06 (Auto selected)

EPU II Phase Control: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.468
Load-Line Calibration: Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.577
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.418
CPU GTLVerf (0): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (1): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (2): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (3): +50mv
NB GTLVerf: +60mV
North Bridge Voltage: 1.630
DRAM Voltage: 2.05
NB DDRVref: AUTO
DDR3 ChannelA Vref: +12.5mv
DDR3 ChannelB Vref: +12.5mv
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.577
South Bridge 1.05 Voltage: 1.086
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

other settings in to bios are default

i have tried with 472 fsb and 475 fsb but the ram is unstable help me!!!
01-04-2009, 07:48 PM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gullo92

can you help me with overclocking??. i have rampage extreme(with bios 1003) intel q9550 corsair dominator 1800 mhz 2n 2.00V 7 7 7 20(my ram haven't xmp function). help me please. can you post settings with my setup? excuse me for my english i'm italian. this is the settings of rob2k he is a qx9770( in this overclock have multi 8.5 q9550 have multi 8.5) rampage extreme and my ram.

475 settings - BIOS 1003

Extreme Tweaker

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From Memory Level Up: Auto
FSB Frequency: 475
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5

CPU Configuration

CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Core Multi-Processing: Enabled

CPU Clock Skew: Delay 300ps
NB Clock Skew: Delay 200ps
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 400
PCIE Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1900
DRAM Command Rate: 1N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information: 7-7-7-21-8-88-12-6 (7-6-6-20 @ 472)
CAS# Latency: 7
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 7
RAS# Pre Time: 7
RAS# ACT Time: 21
RAS# To RAS# Delay: 8
REF Cycle Time: 88
WRITE Recovery Time: 12
READ to Pre Time: 6
2nd Information : 8-7-6-4-7-4-7
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 8
WRITE to READ Delay (S): 7
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 6
READ to READ (S): 4
READ to READ (D): 7
WRITE to WRITE (S): 4
WRITE to WRITE (D): 7
3RD Information: 23-8-1-8-8
WRITE to PRE Delay: 23
READ to PRE Delay: 8
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 8
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 8
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Dynamic Write Control: Disabled

DRAM Skew Control

DRAM CMD Skew on Channel A: Delay 75ps
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM A2: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM A1: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM A2: Auto
DRAM CMD Skew on Channel B: Delay 150ps
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on DIMM B2: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM B1: Auto
DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM B2: Auto

Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Auto
Common Performance Level: 06 (Auto selected)

EPU II Phase Control: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.468
Load-Line Calibration: Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.577
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.418
CPU GTLVerf (0): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (1): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (2): +50mv
CPU GTLVerf (3): +50mv
NB GTLVerf: +60mV
North Bridge Voltage: 1.630
DRAM Voltage: 2.05
NB DDRVref: AUTO
DDR3 ChannelA Vref: +12.5mv
DDR3 ChannelB Vref: +12.5mv
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.577
South Bridge 1.05 Voltage: 1.086
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

other settings in to bios are default

i have tried with 472 fsb and 475 fsb but the ram is unstable help me!!!

You need any spoonfeeding??:p:
ram unstable? try upping ram volts.
fsb unstable? try tuning NB GTL/ CPU GTL for quad cores.
test FSB stable? HCI memtest 3.8 run in dual / memtest86+ v2.01, test #7
01-04-2009, 08:18 PM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

You need any spoonfeeding??:p:
ram unstable? try upping ram volts.
fsb unstable? try tuning NB GTL/ CPU GTL for quad cores.
test FSB stable? HCI memtest 3.8 run in dual / memtest86+ v2.01, test #7

kekeke chill bro

among all the asus mobo's i have used
this is considered the hardest to clock
as its even fussy on the ram chipsets

easiest by far is the rampage ii extreme.. no idea why they even need a guide for x58
01-04-2009, 08:23 PM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

kekeke chill bro

among all the asus mobo's i have used
this is considered the hardest to clock
as its even fussy on the ram chipsets

easiest by far is the rampage ii extreme.. no idea why they even need a guide for x58

well I can still remember just last 2 months I was getting mad sturggling to get 535 FSB stable on a DFI LP UT-X48-T3RS...compare with this board...just keep everything auto and adjust the FSB frequency to 600, fire it up, the BIOS screen pops up, bravo.:p:

IMO you must know what you're doing when you make any adjustments on overclocking...testing tools are also important to figure out which part of hardware is holding you back. Basic tools are like Memtest86+ v2.01 (Mostly used #5 and #7), HCI Memtest 3.8, ORTHOS SP2004 / Prime95, IntelBurnTest, Etc.
01-05-2009, 02:03 AM
Gullo92

i don't expert with overclock can you post the setting that i put into bios?
01-05-2009, 02:48 AM
rob2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gullo92

i don't expert with overclock can you post the setting that i post into bios?

Hi Gullo92, Is this a new build or have you known frequencies that have worked before for CPU and memory ?.
What settings are you able to boot and run benchmarks like PI, IBT, Memtest, Prime etc as mentioned previously ? Are you stable with full AUTO settings ?. also, what cooling are you using ?.

This extra information should be useful for us to help you.
01-05-2009, 03:27 AM
Gullo92

hi rob2k and thanks for your help with auto i stable but some games there is lag i have hd 4870 and i play with hd 4870 512 mb ddr at 1680x1050 with your settings i boot and the pc is ok but while i was playing the game is locked. i need overclock but i don't expert i have try your settings with latency 8 8 8 24 2.20 V and the game go good but orthos are unstable. i have your ram( my ram haven't xpm function) 2x1 gb version. help me with overclocking stable please. my english is orrible. i'm cooling with thermal righ ultra 130 extreme with noctua nf-p12 and the north bridge is cooled for thermaltake extreme spiriti 2 the temperature are okkk. my case is antec 1200 with 6 fans. the fans run the maximus speed. for the ram i have the dominator fan and i have put it in slot white. i try out the ram in slot blue but it's unstable. when i try 8 8 8 24 2.20 V i run prime and the temperature are 75° at full load(cpu) and 57° in full of noth bridge and 59° full of south bridge the temperature are reports in everest ultimate edition my bios is 1003. prime are durings no error for 17 minuts.
01-05-2009, 03:35 AM
cheapseats

new PB time in 32M :)

(SpiTweaker/Maxmem 600/Large system cache)

http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/q...14_9m29x_1.jpg

new highest CL7 clock for my CS3222271 in 32M :)

(no SPiTweaker)

http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/q...80_77714_1.gif
01-05-2009, 04:34 AM
rob2k

@ Cheapseats - Nice work, some amazing memory bandwidth :up: :up:

@ Gullo92 - Back everything down to stock memory speeds 7-7-7-21 at 2.0v with 450 FSB and pick a multiplier to give more or less stock CPU speeds or leave it set to AUTO. You need to see if the 4870 is causing the stuttering or if it is your overclock. In my opinion 75 degrees when running Prime is too hot - I am 51 degrees in prime and only hit 71 when running Intel Burn Test which seems to be a very demaning benchmark. Your memory should run the same speeds as mine it has the same ICs I believe but without the Intel profiles. Try reading reviews of your CPU to see what O/C others get which should give you a going in point. You can then increase the FSB or multiplier until you reach a stable overclock. Remember that your GTL's may differ also so try AUTO or make a matrix of all the combinations with them varying a step at a time to see which work best.
01-05-2009, 04:53 AM
ci2kla

Yeah just got an Q9550 L832B71X @ $282.
Will try that out soon and see how RE plays with Quads.
01-05-2009, 05:01 AM
Gullo92

hi Rob2k can you post the setting into bios that i try?? i don't expert with overclock thanks for your help.
01-05-2009, 06:20 AM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gullo92

hi Rob2k can you post the setting into bios that i try?? i don't expert with overclock thanks for your help.

Gullo92, I think it's better to know more before you seriously clock your machine...we're just trying to help. Overclocking takes time and patience. I'm just trying to up...just ask people to post their setting is usless as everyone's hardware used, compatibility with other hardware, or even with the same brand, the quality aka voltage you need to get to certain higher clocks is all a different story...
01-05-2009, 06:56 AM
cheapseats

@ rob2k

ta Rob - with your DIMMs it would be faster I think :D, apart from low tRAS I can't do much with timings at this sort of clock.

I saw your Dominators were running 7-6-6 at 950mhz or so, are they version 3.x on the label - Micron? There are 8 versions listed at Corsair....
01-05-2009, 07:36 AM
frank.lopez

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheapseats

hi frank :) - sorry for the late reply and hope you've sorted it already. My own 4x1 experience is too limited to make any useful suggestions - my max 4x1GB clock was 800mhz (1600)....CL8 :D No quad here either.

Also Frank, the DDRref settings that I mentioned testing, were for 2x1GB D9JNL and at 500FSB/1:2/CL8/vNB 1.60/vDIMM 1.90
(I used NBDDR +12.5 and A/B DDR +12.5).

@ ragheb

hi ragheb :), are you using a RE with CS3222271 (D9JNL) - same as me ?
I think ToyTen's kit is CS3222270 (D9GTR) :sonic:

Happy to post my CS3222271-based settings, but for which clocks ?

Also what happens above 400FSB on yours ? Is your kit memtest stable at rated 800mhz/CL7 - mine needs about 1.68V for that.

My Kits are CS3222580 - PC3 14400

do you think i should try to change spd info?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=190793
01-05-2009, 07:39 AM
rob2k

2 Attachment(s)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheapseats

I saw your Dominators were running 7-6-6 at 950mhz or so, are they version 3.x on the label - Micron? There are 8 versions listed at Corsair....

These were a good find after earlier disappointments with OCZ and G.Skill and I'm sure they would go more coupled to an E8600 :devil: as my CPU stable O/C is now at it's limit. The voltage is only slightly above 2.0v that is recommended and they have the Dominator fans attached although I have swapped out the fans for UV green ACE units.

Attachment 92242

Attachment 92243
01-05-2009, 07:48 AM
Gullo92

rob 2k help me:shocked: do you post settings in to bios that I try? because i don't expert with overclock rob2k for you is easy becaus we have a similar system.
01-05-2009, 08:18 AM
Smooth

oh my god... I got a déjà vu... this must be a error in the matrix ... some kind of time loop. ;)
01-05-2009, 08:27 AM
punx223

ive had the rampage up and running on dice for a lil bit now...

i just wish the cfx would function

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...23/5900mhz.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../7984spi-1.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...03101708-1.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...59783d05-1.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...3/7597wpri.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../206233d06.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...16318pcm05.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...321677desk.jpg
01-06-2009, 01:23 AM
rob2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by punx223

i just wish the cfx would function

What is cfx :confused: ?
01-06-2009, 01:33 AM
Diegis0n

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob2k

What is cfx :confused: ?

Crossfire ?
01-06-2009, 04:14 AM
rob2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diegis0n

Crossfire ?

:doh: :lol:
01-06-2009, 04:28 AM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob2k

What is cfx :confused: ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diegis0n

Crossfire ?

crossfire x...
more than 2 gpu
so in his case 2x4870x2
01-06-2009, 06:32 AM
cheapseats

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob2k

These were a good find after earlier disappointments with OCZ and G.Skill and I'm sure they would go more coupled to an E8600 :devil: as my CPU stable O/C is now at it's limit. The voltage is only slightly above 2.0v that is recommended and they have the Dominator fans attached although I have swapped out the fans for UV green ACE units.

Thanks for the pics Rob, though I would have believed you without :D

need to get lucky myself soon - 3 kits so far, all not quite good enough....

Quote:

Originally Posted by frank.lopez

My Kits are CS3222580 - PC3 14400

do you think i should try to change spd info?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=190793

you may get better advice on that thread, than from me ;). nothing I'm running at the moment is too stable anyway...
01-06-2009, 07:01 AM
rob2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheapseats

need to get lucky myself soon - 3 kits so far, all not quite good enough....

There are some Dominators on ebay at the mo without the XMP profiles at really good prices.

Would love to try the 2x2Gb versions of these if I new they would run at the same speeds. Shame there is no 'try before you buy' option anywhere !.
01-07-2009, 07:33 AM
spoof

I'm thinking of setting 1.67v on my X48 for 24/7. The chip will be under water. Save for 24/7 or not?!
01-07-2009, 07:35 AM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoof

I'm thinking of setting 1.67v on my X48 for 24/7. The chip will be under water. Save for 24/7 or not?!

vNB? vCore? vDIMM? v....?:shrug:
01-07-2009, 07:36 AM
rob2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoof

I'm thinking of setting 1.67v on my X48 for 24/7. The chip will be under water. Save for 24/7 or not?!

Northbridge or CPU ? - If CPU IMO it will melt :eek:
01-07-2009, 08:39 AM
Zeus

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

vNB? vCore? vDIMM? v....?:shrug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoof

I'm thinking of setting 1.67v on my
X48 for 24/7. The chip will be under water. Save for 24/7 or not?!

Chipset i assume.

A bit much but if temps are fine, why not?
01-07-2009, 01:29 PM
spoof

I said X48, so it's chipset. It needs 1.65v for 470FSB. So, i'll keep temps much lower than 50, but will it degradate or something? I'm planning to use it for a year or something 24/7 all the time.
01-07-2009, 01:32 PM
Zeus

Are you absolutely sure it needs that much for just 470 fsb? 4GB of ram is harder on the NB but 1.65V is a lot. My RE needs 1.41V for 450 FSB and PL6. Haven't tried lower actually.
01-07-2009, 02:33 PM
spoof

With PL7 with 4x2GB (my rig is in signature) and lower than 1.65v it freeze (lock-up) in windows after several hours. PL8, PL9 doesn't help. It's NBs fault, but i don't understand why it need soo much vNB. Maybe it's 4 stick+quad the reason?
01-07-2009, 05:29 PM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoof

With PL7 with 4x2GB (my rig is in signature) and lower than 1.65v it freeze (lock-up) in windows after several hours. PL8, PL9 doesn't help. It's NBs fault, but i don't understand why it need soo much vNB. Maybe it's 4 stick+quad the reason?

What's your VTT voltage??
01-07-2009, 10:38 PM
spoof

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

What's your VTT voltage??

1.38v with 67x GTLREF. Setting higher VTT does NOT help with lockups, PLL voltage too, RAM settings too. Only 1.65 vNB make it stop. I'm using NB GTLREF at 63x, higher value doesn't seems to bring stability with lower vNB.
01-07-2009, 11:48 PM
G H Z

Quote:

Originally Posted by punx223

i just wish the cfx would function

CFX only works in Vista, you can see 4 enabled gpu's in your PCMark screen ;)
01-08-2009, 02:23 AM
stealth

Rampage Extreme Wont Boot With Strap 400 1/1

Hi guys,

My mobo can do 620MHz FSB and my CPU 4670MHz on air.

http://www.overclockers.gr/vbull/att...6&d=1227109725

http://www.overclockers.gr/vbull/att...2&d=1228215223

I was trying to load the settings below:

FSB 530 X 6 Multi =3180MHz
Strap 400, Ram 1060MHz
Ai Clock Twister: Light,
PL10
CPU PLL: 1.55V
Termination: 1.41V
North Bridge:1.63V

But the mobo wont boot no matter what i try or how much voltage i give as long i have strap 400.
The only way to make it boot with these settings is to set the strap at 333,266...

Any one else notice this problem?
How is it possible not to be able to boot with so low settings when the system has been tested at a lot higher speeds?

My system:
Rampage Extreme
E8500
2 X1GB CSX Diablo 2000MHz
GeForce 8800GTX
Bios version 0301

stealth
01-08-2009, 05:45 PM
ci2kla

Strap 400 is slightly broken when @ higher HSB IMO...
For my case, 600FSB boot will quickly freeze up using 400Mhz Strap, which will never happen in 333/266 strap.
So I guess for higher FSB you may need to stick on 333 Strap until a patch for BIOS is up in order to fix this problem.
BTW one of the wierd thing is, when high FSB (i.e. 600+ for duals, 450+ for Quads), when attempting to save and exit the BIOS screen will freeze instantly that need hard reboot to make new options to take effect. Anyone experienced this issue?
01-09-2009, 01:38 AM
stealth

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

BTW one of the wierd thing is, when high FSB (i.e. 600+ for duals, 450+ for Quads), when attempting to save and exit the BIOS screen will freeze instantly that need hard reboot to make new options to take effect. Anyone experienced this issue?

Thanks for reply.

I thought this is a bios problem...just want to make sure is not only me having this problem.

I get the same problem,some times it freezes in lower FSB is well (500-550MHz).

stealth
01-09-2009, 05:11 AM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealth

Thanks for reply.

I thought this is a bios problem...just want to make sure is not only me having this problem.

I get the same problem,some times it freezes in lower FSB is well (500-550MHz).

stealth

no its not a bios problem
its a skewing nb/vdimm issue

with that skewing i did and nb voltage and vtt
no issue like that
without skews i get that

very common when u change a setting thats not a ram related changes that requires a shutdown restart.. will hang

thought u guys realize that.. kekeke.. ram nb unstable is the freeze
01-09-2009, 07:04 AM
ci2kla

Seems this is a cool CPU isn't it?

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/m...an/RE/temp.png
01-09-2009, 07:15 AM
Leeghoofd

Why do you only test 8K ?
01-09-2009, 07:53 AM
Zeus

Small ftt's is hardest on cpu, that's why i guess.
01-09-2009, 06:49 PM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

Small ftt's is hardest on cpu, that's why i guess.

Yes I thought Large FFTs should be easier as it's less stressful then small FFTs in terms of L2 Cache...

How about...this?

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/m...n/RE/ibt10.png
01-10-2009, 04:21 AM
Gullo92

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

Yes I thought Large FFTs should be easier as it's less stressful then small FFTs in terms of L2 Cache...

How about...this?

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/m...n/RE/ibt10.png

can you posto your settings with q9550 what bios do you have? thanks
01-12-2009, 01:47 AM
rob2k

Excellent results ci2kla - low volts too :up: :up:
01-12-2009, 04:41 AM
spoof

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gullo92

can you posto your settings with q9550 what bios do you have? thanks

Yes, this info will help me a lot, because i'm facing huge problem running the board at 470mhz.
01-12-2009, 05:28 AM
Ozzfest05

so I got my new 24/7 clocks at the voltage that im happy with
this is 12 hour stable I think that should be good
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1197/12hpy0.jpg
01-12-2009, 06:40 AM
spoof

What VTT are you using for 500FSB? And, is 0.1 difference between BIOS Set 1.4v VTT and measured and monitored via BISO 1.3v VTT normal? If i push it to 1.45v, which is 1.35v in Hardware Monitoring, will it be problem?
01-12-2009, 07:59 AM
Ozzfest05

Im using 1.41 VTT I believe pll is 1.56 1.29 vcore 1.57 nb +10 nbgtref its hard to remember exactly im at work now but its 12 hours stable so its my new 24/7 clocks I dont think too many people run over 4.5 ghz for a 24/7 clock I may try to get higher but mostly ill do just quick benches at 5ghz+

I also did a bench with more fsb earlier and the nb voltage is too high for 24/7 unless im using better cooling on it
01-12-2009, 08:01 AM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoof

What VTT are you using for 500FSB? And, is 0.1 difference between BIOS Set 1.4v VTT and measured and monitored via BISO 1.3v VTT normal? If i push it to 1.45v, which is 1.35v in Hardware Monitoring, will it be problem?

Overclocking FSB for Quads and Duals is a complete different story.
Also I guess your 8GB ram is one of the issue of hindering your overclocking ability as well because I think 8GB ram is rather stressful to NB plus a Quad core, there's not surprising that you need such vNB voltage to get stable IMO...
01-12-2009, 08:06 AM
Zeus

The Rampage Extreme is a beast, here's 605FSB PL8 32M stable:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../32M9min20.jpg
01-12-2009, 08:29 AM
Ozzfest05

here is my high fsb run http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2...tter32mpt1.jpg
01-12-2009, 09:33 AM
Expat GriZ

Very Nice!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus

The Rampage Extreme is a beast, here's 605FSB PL8 32M stable:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../32M9min20.jpg

Very Nice Zeus!!! Hopefully later tonight I will be hopefully be able to show you the same. Thanks again for the tips!!!:up:

GriZ
01-12-2009, 09:35 AM
spoof

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

Overclocking FSB for Quads and Duals is a complete different story.
Also I guess your 8GB ram is one of the issue of hindering your overclocking ability as well because I think 8GB ram is rather stressful to NB plus a Quad core, there's not surprising that you need such vNB voltage to get stable IMO...

Yes, i know this, but the worst thing is that i don't understand what exactly cause this damn lockups. I think it isn't just NB, because at some point rising vNB doesn't bring any stability. I must admit, that i haven't test my CPU on other board with other chipset, but from testing so far i'm still not sure what is wrong.
01-12-2009, 07:03 PM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoof

Yes, i know this, but the worst thing is that i don't understand what exactly cause this damn lockups. I think it isn't just NB, because at some point rising vNB doesn't bring any stability. I must admit, that i haven't test my CPU on other board with other chipset, but from testing so far i'm still not sure what is wrong.

I'll suggest you to take out 1 pair of ram and test once more...(try to lower the vNB and see what happens, or use IBT)
01-13-2009, 03:00 AM
frank.lopez

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoof

With PL7 with 4x2GB (my rig is in signature) and lower than 1.65v it freeze (lock-up) in windows after several hours. PL8, PL9 doesn't help. It's NBs fault, but i don't understand why it need soo much vNB. Maybe it's 4 stick+quad the reason?

Hi I have a quad and 4x1gb, And I cant seem to rum memtst without errors above 1600Mhz, above that i get alway the test 5 error between stick 0 and stick 1, allthe other test run fine, the problem that i think is moving blocks between channels.

with 2x1gb i can reach 1900Mhz with my cellshock 1800.

Yes the problem is the 4gb.

Now I'm runing 3.80Ghz, and my mems are at 1425 1.9v 8-7-6-21, 1T

here is my config:

AI OVERCLOCK TUNER ==================== MANUAL
OC FROM CPU LEVEL ==================== AUTO
OC FROM MEMORY LEVEL UP ============== AUTO
FSB FREQUENCY ======================= 475
CPU RATIO SETTING ==================== 08
CPU CONFIGURATION
CPU CLOCK SKEW ====================== AUTO
NB CLOCK SKEW ======================= AUTO
FSB STRAP TO NORTH BRIDGE ============= 400
PCIE FREQUENCY ====================== 100
DRAM FREQUENCY ===================== 1425
DRAM COMAND RATE =================== 1N
DRAM TIMING CONTROL ================= MANUAL
CAS LATENCY ======================== 8
RAS TO CAS DELAY ==================== 7
RAS PRE TIME ======================== 6
RAS ACT TIME ======================= 21
RAS TO RAS DELAY =================== Auto
REF CYCLE TIME ===================== 72
WRITE RECOVERY TIME ================ Auto
READ TO PRE TIME =================== Auto
READ TO WRITE DELAY S/D ============= Auto
WRITE TO READ DELAY S =============== Auto
WRITE TO READ DELAY D =============== Auto
READ TO READ DELAY S ================ Auto
READ TO READ DELAY D ================ Auto
WRITE TO WRITE DELAY S ============== Auto
WRITE TO WRITE DELAY D ============== Auto
WRITE TO PRE DELAY ================== Auto
READ TO PRE DELAY=================== Auto
PRE TO PRE DELAY==================== Auto
ALL PRE TO ACT DELAY================= Auto
ALL PRE TO REF DELAY================= Auto
DRAM STATIC READ CONTROL =========== DISABLED
DRAM DYNAMIC WRITE CONTROL ========= DISABLED
DRAM SKEW CONTROL ================= Auto
AI CLOCK TWISTER =================== AUTO
AI TRANSACTION BOOSTER ============= AUTO
EPU II PHASE CONTROL =============== AUTO
CPU VOLTAGE ====================== 1.38750
LOAD-LINE CALIBRATION ============== ENABLED
CPU PLL VOLTAGEM ================== 1.56406
FSB TERMINATION VOLTAGEM ========== 1.33866
CPU GTLVREF 0 ===================== +80
CPU GTLVRED 1 ===================== +40
CPU GTLVRED 2 ===================== +80
CPU GTLVRED 3 ===================== +40
NB GTLVRED ======================= +40
NORTH BRIDGE VOLTAGE ============== 1.51
DRAM VOLTAGEM ==================== 1.90
NB DDRVREF ======================== AUTO
DDR3 CHANNEL A VREF ================ AUTO
DDR3 CHANNEL B VREF ================ AUTO
SOUTH BRIDGE 1.5 VOLTAGE =========== 1.51106
SOUTH BRIDGE 1.05 VOLTAGE ========== 1.06039
CPU SPREAD SPRECTRUM ============== DISABLED
PCIE SPREAD SPECTRUM ============== DISABLED

ADVANCED
CPU CONFIGUTION
CPU RATION SETTING ================= 08
C1E SUPORT ======================== DISABLED
CPU TM FUNCTION =================== DISABLED
MAX CPUID VALUE LIMIT =============== DISABLED
VANDERPOOL TECHNOLOGY ============= ENABLED
EXECUTE DISABLED BIT ================ DISABLED
CORE MULTI- PRECESSING ============== ENABLED

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