ASUS Maximus Formula SE

Thanks
I think I will not fix what is not broken

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Originally Posted by kup

You've got to 495x8 with a Q6600? What volts/settings?

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Key numbers:

CPU ratio = 8
Strap = 266 (4:5)
CPU = 1.575 (you may need to add more according to your CPU's demands)
NB = 1.79
CPU VPLL=1.70
FSBT=1.60
SB = 1.50
CPU GTL =x63

Most other things are on auto or disabled.

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Originally Posted by NLight95

I personally like this lapping kit. Includes everything you need.

http://www.svc.com/lapkit-p.html

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Hi

i went for the easy pckits one.

tha kit looks good too.. i just wonder the surface area for lapping. i did it on the ultra 120 extreme, not easy, i got a glass 5mm thick piece of 30x40 to ease it up (extreme not really light or easy to deal with)


so lapped both cooler & cpu, iddle went down to 37-31-31-25-25 and full load not much difference, around 62-59-59-54-54. good thing is now i can get the push-pull 120mm fans on low setting, meaning an almost silence system.

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Could somebody tell me the secret to the 9 series bios

902 was a complete disaster
903 will not post unless I use STOCK settings

Flashing with EZ Flash, load my oc profile and the bugger does is sit there on det ram, power off then back on and hit f2 to load default and it works.
Reboot and load my settings ( auto or manual ) and it wont boot, same thing det ram...
besides a very large hammer, anybody got some other ideas?

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Hi finger

Well i´ve been testing ram a lot of notches up and down, and concluded everytime the lcd hangs on det ram is in fact all ram settings issues, not cpu settings, and probably not nb too, if its not too much out of spec.

for time being im settling on 3.4ghz for day to day, on

cpuvolt 1,40625
pll 1,58 (testing 1,52)
nb 1,49
fsbt 1,40
sb 1,050

and my rams are at 14-5-5-5 2.1v pc1133 strap auto, clocktwister strong, static read enable and trans.booster enable (0), with vdram at ddr2-ref. with memtest performance set to 6 (1 notch down) my everest values are read 9732, write 7729, copy 8608, latency 51.8

my temps are stable and not too bad for a vid 1.2875, range from 37-61,62.


dont wanna push the rams too hard, but prob your issue is ram.

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Key numbers:

CPU ratio = 8
Strap = 266 (4:5)
CPU = 1.575 (you may need to add more according to your CPU's demands)
NB = 1.79
CPU VPLL=1.70
FSBT=1.60
SB = 1.50
CPU GTL =x63

Most other things are on auto or disabled.

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hi zuck

ye thats great.. dont forget to warn people not knowing that your vid is quite low... quite low indeed.. for higher ones above 1.28 people would prob need at least 1.6 cpuvolt and the pll quite high too... lololol maybe too high for air cooling, unless you have an upside down vacuum cleaner lolol



greets

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Originally Posted by NLight95

I managed 480 FSB on my G0 Q6600 (L737B) using my IP35 Pro. I think it had more to go but the IP35 Pro just couldn't handle it. I just picked up a Maximus so hopefully it can do at least the same if not better.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h5...B--OCCT1hr.jpg

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hi

2880 ? whats that overunderclock? oh poor ip35 pro lololol

(kiddin)

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Originally Posted by NLight95

Has anyone replaced the nb heatsink with a Thermalright HR-05?

Or how about a Thermaltake ES II?

(http://www.thermaltake.com/product/C...4/cl-c0034.asp)

If so, then what are your results?

I'm wondering if the aforementioned coolers would would be more effective than the stock Formula heatsink with a 40m fan. I used these coolers on my old ICFX3200 and still have them hanging around.

Also, are there any issues with mounting a Tuniq Tower on the non-SE version of this board?

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Tt ES2 = abt 6c less than stock cooler.

PLS NOTE that this is due to the southbridge not being connected to the heatsink only...temps fare 1c or less without SB part of stock cooling, however this requires much more airflow than the Tt ES2 does.

The thermalright unit's old mounting would not let me use it on this board. I see that the new unit's(IFX) mounting system has changed, so maybe it will work...

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Originally Posted by jonny_ftm

And here, for the lazy new comers, and any one who missed it :-) all the discussion about that bug. If anyone can verify it with last bioses...

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Consider it verified. Is not specific to voltage tho...it's current related. Once your cpu draws too much power... I get the same from B3 and G0, but G0 requires "phase-change only" voltages before reaching comparable power consumption to my B3.

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Originally Posted by ninogui

Hi

i went for the easy pckits one.

tha kit looks good too.. i just wonder the surface area for lapping. i did it on the ultra 120 extreme, not easy, i got a glass 5mm thick piece of 30x40 to ease it up (extreme not really light or easy to deal with)


so lapped both cooler & cpu, iddle went down to 37-31-31-25-25 and full load not much difference, around 62-59-59-54-54. good thing is now i can get the push-pull 120mm fans on low setting, meaning an almost silence system.

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I'm thinking about trying this fan with my TT.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/12evalcafan8.html

I replaced the original LL fans throughout my case with Scythe Flex units. It's just a hair noisier but case and hdd temps dropped 2-3 C. Believe it or not, the noisiest component in my system is the Corsair ram cooler. Occasionally it makes a high-pitched that grates on my ears. I may replace it with the OCZ cooler.

I'm still deciding what BIOS to use (I posted a poll on this). Seems like 0903 is going back and forth as far as being all that stable. I think I may go with 0802.

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Originally Posted by ninogui

hi

2880 ? whats that overunderclock? oh poor ip35 pro lololol

(kiddin)

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480x6

Yeah, poor IP35 Pro just can't handle the heat. Mosfets get way to hot with a quad. It's one reason why I'm upgrading to the Maximus. I do wish the Max had eSATA ports, even though I'm not currently using any. Just nice to have them for external drive support. The Max uses the JMB368 controller which is IDE only.

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Originally Posted by ninogui

Hi finger

Well i´ve been testing ram a lot of notches up and down, and concluded everytime the lcd hangs on det ram is in fact all ram settings issues, not cpu settings, and probably not nb too, if its not too much out of spec.

for time being im settling on 3.4ghz for day to day, on

cpuvolt 1,40625
pll 1,58 (testing 1,52)
nb 1,49
fsbt 1,40
sb 1,050

and my rams are at 14-5-5-5 2.1v pc1133 strap auto, clocktwister strong, static read enable and trans.booster enable (0), with vdram at ddr2-ref. with memtest performance set to 6 (1 notch down) my everest values are read 9732, write 7729, copy 8608, latency 51.8

my temps are stable and not too bad for a vid 1.2875, range from 37-61,62.


dont wanna push the rams too hard, but prob your issue is ram.

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Thanks for the advice, will test it out later tonight after my 3.8 test is done
what bios are you running?

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Originally Posted by NLight95

I'm thinking about trying this fan with my TT.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/12evalcafan8.html

I replaced the original LL fans throughout my case with Scythe Flex units. It's just a hair noisier but case and hdd temps dropped 2-3 C. Believe it or not, the noisiest component in my system is the Corsair ram cooler. Occasionally it makes a high-pitched that grates on my ears. I may replace it with the OCZ cooler.

I'm still deciding what BIOS to use (I posted a poll on this). Seems like 0903 is going back and forth as far as being all that stable. I think I may go with 0802.

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ok... of course will always be a question of noise x air pressure.. im currently not going for 120mm fans higher than 1600rpm.

lot of people gere say bad things about the corsair ram cooler build quality. one guy even had to insert a drop of machine iol on it to quiet the fan down because of poor casing/fan spin axis quality. if youre using gtx/2900 class board the ocz ram cooler it will closely touch the back of the board, but you might tape it to isolate. It is huge, and will steal some air from push/pull cpu air but by far much better quality.

im using 0903 still, no real issues but hoping asus will give us a new one for christmas before dumping development for the formula.

i peeked in most other x38 boards users posts, we sometimes complain about the formula, but most of them have bigger problems on bios settings than we do.

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

Tt ES2 = abt 6c less than stock cooler.

PLS NOTE that this is due to the southbridge not being connected to the heatsink only...temps fare 1c or less without SB part of stock cooling, however this requires much more airflow than the Tt ES2 does.

The thermalright unit's old mounting would not let me use it on this board. I see that the new unit's(IFX) mounting system has changed, so maybe it will work...

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That's too bad about the HR-05 mounting. I've found TR's mounting mechanism is rather cheesy and allows the heatsink to shift around too much. This is where I prefer the TT ES2. I really like that the nb+sb heatsink assembly can be removed as a separate unit on the Max. It will allow me to use the ES II on the nb (after removing the "ring" sponge) and an Evercool EC-VC-RE on the sb.

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Thanks for the advice, will test it out later tonight after my 3.8 test is done
what bios are you running?

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0903

ye, for a couple more days i dont wanna too much over those setings to have stable 3,6 or 3,8. ill let the dust (or should i say the paste loll) settle in first.

also found out, no news on that it all comes down to your cpu vid. if its in the low 1.2 youre very lucky. if its in the highs you will need much more voltage on mostly all components.

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Originally Posted by NLight95

That's too bad about the HR-05 mounting. I've found TR's mounting mechanism is rather cheesy and allows the heatsink to shift around too much. This is where I prefer the TT ES2. I really like that the nb+sb heatsink assembly can be removed as a separate unit on the Max. It will allow me to use the ES II on the nb (after removing the "ring" sponge) and an Evercool EC-VC-RE on the sb.

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I have a btx sharkkon case, so im lucky in the sense that the half-way 90mm fan is blowing from the outside air directly and close (10cm) to the SB, so i never really worry about it.

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Originally Posted by ninogui

ok... of course will always be a question of noise x air pressure.. im currently not going for 120mm fans higher than 1600rpm.

lot of people gere say bad things about the corsair ram cooler build quality. one guy even had to insert a drop of machine iol on it to quiet the fan down because of poor casing/fan spin axis quality. if youre using gtx/2900 class board the ocz ram cooler it will closely touch the back of the board, but you might tape it to isolate. It is huge, and will steal some air from push/pull cpu air but by far much better quality.

im using 0903 still, no real issues but hoping asus will give us a new one for christmas before dumping development for the formula.

i peeked in most other x38 boards users posts, we sometimes complain about the formula, but most of them have bigger problems on bios settings than we do.

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Hmm, a drop of machine oil--now why didn't I think of that. :hitself:

I researched the Max long and hard before finally deciding on it. I was considering several other X38 boards as well as some P35s. Price is steep but at least it's still around the "magic" $250 mark. I just can't see paying over 300 for any board, even if it's an enthusiast one.

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

nope.:(

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prime full load here. 1.54 vcore. you guys know how to change the apps' priority right?

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x...me_resized.jpg

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Originally Posted by GAR

I think this is something a bios update wont be able to fix..........that sucks really bad and is holding alot of people back from overclocking their quads alot further!!

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I'm not having any trouble. with my Qx9650 or my qx6700(minus the fact that it's a b3).

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Originally Posted by safan80

prime full load here. 1.54 vcore. you guys know how to change the apps' priority right?

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Um, your pic is of 9650, first of all...


So, 45nm draws same power as 65nm?:stick:

Sry for my attitude, but I wouldn't waste time posting if I have not personally confirmed the issue...an issue that I verified for GAR in the first place. Back then you mentioned no issues, so more than likely you got a good cpu that does not require excessive CURRENT(not volts, do you need me to repeat it again?:stick:). :mad:


IT IS NOT VOLTAGE-RELATED.


1.55v requires phase with G0?:stick:


:ROTF: Please RBP(Read Before Posting)

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Originally Posted by safan80

prime full load here. 1.54 vcore. you guys know how to change the apps' priority right?

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x...me_resized.jpg



I'm not having any trouble. with my Qx9650 or my qx6700(minus the fact that it's a b3).

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in that pic you have core 1 at 70C and core 4 at 55C.. are you ok with that? im wondering cause im having the same issue (in case you didnt see my previous posts), although the max difference i see is 12 between core 1 and core 3. btw what utility is that anyway?

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

Um, your pic is of 9650, first of all...

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I think it's a problem with how your ocing or with G0 ships. if it was a board problem I would of encountered the problem with this chip or with my other chip. With my qx9650 it doesn't do full load until I change the process priority. presonally I think it has to do with user error, or else more people would be reporting this. They'd rather blame the board than themselves.

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Originally Posted by fadetoblack

in that pic you have core 1 at 70C and core 4 at 55C.. is that normal?? im wondering cause im having the same issue (in case you didnt see my previous posts), although the max difference i see is 12 between core 1 and core 3. btw what utility is that anyway?

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in that pic I didn't run prime for any sort of time I just did it to show it still does full load. it does that when starting to do full load but levels out. see the first pic.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=4133

the monitoring program is everest.

i have been lapping things for years from computer parts to car parts.. my brother lapped his quad and his cooler as flat as can be on a block of glass to 2000 grit.. installed the cpu and noticed the clip holding the cpu in the motherboard puts enough pressure on the sides to warp the cover on the cpu. not flat.. removed the mother board clip and used the cooler and backing plate to hold it in and keep it flat.

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Originally Posted by ElEctric_EyE

Temp is def my limiting factor. Jan is when I will take apart my WC loop and then I plan to use a custom backing plate and use a fuzion nozzle setup for the cpu. Lapping a cpu, right now for me, is like the black arts. Not sure what's involved or what tools to use to go about it. I am very pleased with my speed and dont think even with all the addons ill make it stable over 4GHz, but it's worth a try, if not just once.

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Originally Posted by safan80

They'd rather blame the board than themselves.

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You could be right, except none of the other boards I have here exhibit this issue. Once the cpu draws a wee bit over 165a, the "system" process will load up one core. As you breach 165a, the system process will use a full core, preventing Prime from running 100% on all four cores.

Now, as I said earlier, you must read before you post...I clearly stated that my G0 DOES NOT have the same issue at the same voltage. My B3, however, does show the behavior GAR descibed weeks ago...at a LOWER voltage than his cpu does. It's another user here that has the issue at the same voltage.

BTW, before you claim it's the board sample I got, I have 2 boards, and RMA'ed one already. Each of the three showed the same behavior w/ the B3...my G0 does not show this all the way up to 1.725v, real, but @ 1.7375 it does...

My dualcore doesn't cause this at all.

About your "user error" claim...if such was the case, changing cpu but not changing settings would exhibit the same behavior....as all that a user can do is change settings in bios.

However, against your opinion, this is not the case. @ 1.525, 400x9, all other settings on auto besides setting FSB strap to 333mhz, and ram to 2.1v...B3 shows it, B2 E6600 does not, G0 does not.

So if it my error, then what error is this that we(GAR and I) are both making? If you could explain how you came to this conclusion, maybe we could fix the error?


Other than simply blaming it on me, how about some contructive criticism so others here may benefit? Simply stating that you do not experience the problem does not mean there is no issue...nor can you deny the fact that each cpu is different, so how your cpu performs on this board is NOT how everyone's cpu will behave...

Please feel free to look back a few pages at my settings for 450x8, and tell me where I went wrong...maybe it would help others...

I've been running my Q6600 at 3.6 stable for days, but going above that and I run into problems... temps pretty consistent around the 35-39 range idle and 66-71 range under load.

I had it working for a while at 444 x 9, but it started to crap out on me...

Hi guys, I flashed to 0903 and got same stability, but my 3Dmark06 score dropped quite a bit. It seems only my CPU score went down, this is the same for sis software benchies.

My question is it ok for me to flash back to 0901? or do i have to do something different?

Has anyone noticed that CPUZ , AISuite , & Everest read different Cpu Voltages ? I don't know what to trust ?

I jacked it up to 1.5v and its says 1.42V . What is lying ?

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Originally Posted by NLight95

Has anyone replaced the nb heatsink with a Thermalright HR-05?

Or how about a Thermaltake ES II?

If so, then what are your results?

I'm wondering if the aforementioned coolers would would be more effective than the stock Formula heatsink with a 40m fan. I used these coolers on my old ICFX3200 and still have them hanging around.

Also, are there any issues with mounting a Tuniq Tower on the non-SE version of this board?

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Here's a review comparing the most known NB coolers

http://mickaeln2006.free.fr/index.ph...1&limitstart=2

The ES II s**ks. In that test, the HR-05 and Noctua are passive, while the ES II is active. There are reviews showing also an improvement in the IFX model and furthermore if you add a fan for active cooling

The HR-05 IFX will be better than stock. The ES II, I can't say. But, on thermalright site, only the IFX version is shown to be compatible with X38 chipset, sadely

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

Consider it verified. Is not specific to voltage tho...it's current related. Once your cpu draws too much power... I get the same from B3 and G0, but G0 requires "phase-change only" voltages before reaching comparable power consumption to my B3.

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Yep, thanks for having verified it. This really makes the board useless on a Q6600 for real OC'ers :mad:

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Originally Posted by safan80

prime full load here. 1.54 vcore. you guys know how to change the apps' priority right?

I'm not having any trouble. with my Qx9650 or my qx6700(minus the fact that it's a b3).

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I agree with cadaveca, you should read some other topics and be sure when you post. We're talking about a Q6600 chipset, not a 45nm yorkie or a QX6700. Also, people who verified it are far from being noobs. This issue was verified by many users if you follow the initial threads. And finally, GAR migrated to the Gigabyte X38 chipset, and didn't have that issue anymore, neither he had it with the P35 board.
And, of course, my P5B deluxe doesn't show any issue with either my B3 or G0 Q6600 chips.

So, please, don't post such affirmations as "should be user error". You can just propose us to increase priority, which we'll tell you we did make :-) (no bad feelings)