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Originally Posted by chuckbam
20" widescreen LCD at 1440 x900 (Left), 17" 1280 x 1024, LCD (right).Quote:
Originally Posted by NoRogeR
Don't you know how to size a photo? You have the whole thread out of wack.
I think people could see it a little smaller :rofl:
Nice mod fix though.
Fixed and yes I know how to resize pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam
Personally i wish everyone would use thumbnails. Keeps the thread clean and people on dial-up don't have to wait forever to read a thread.
My results so far.
Max PI = 4230mhz
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...o10/QuadPI.jpg
Max Prime Stable = 4009 (501x8)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../4gigq6600.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ic3man
That is a very impressive OC. I would not have imagined, that you could OC that chip like that.
I need a 1000 w PS :) or it is the MB, my Vcore drops under load.
I have been working with a GO since yesterday. Also my DDR is holding me back. I is very stable at 900 MHz 4-5-5-12. But, that is all it will do at 2.3v. I went through that with the Dual core 9x. One thing I don't understand, when I loosen up on the memory timings, I get a OC failure.
I only have air cool, but I was not being held back by that before other problems failed.
re vcore droping on load - Have you disabled C1E, Vanderpool(if available) and Speedstep? What is vcore set to in bios? What memory have you got.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam
Hello guys! Totay installed my Q6600 under Zalman9700NT. My previous E6600 was up to 3.8GHZ with fsb wall at 480MHZ.
3dmark2006
http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/297...7249513_th.jpg
FSB 510MHZ
http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/277...6112296_th.jpg
Validation
Super PI
http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/283...3774394_th.jpg
Validation
It drops some. I have the Vcore set to 1.385. And I get 1.34 at idle and it drops to 1.31 under load. I want it to loop both Prime95 25.4 Torture Test and 3DMARK06 together indefinitely at that Vcore.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
I keep Vanderpool off, and I had the CI and Speedstep disabled for testing.
I can get it to boot around 390 x9, 3.5 GHz. And I can even get it to run for a while, pass a few PI tests etc. But, it just does not have the stability I need.
I run this system 24/7 and also want to use the bios power management on my day to day use.
I run my DDR at 1.2v. I have not messed with the NB v, maybe I should up that a little. I don't even know what the default voltage is on that.
I think I am maxing out this PS. 520 w, with 2 RAIDs and a bunch of other stuff. I was hoping to get it up to around stable at maybe over 3.5 GHz.
But I will wait till the DDR3 comes down in price and get a new board and memory.
PCMARK05 on 10/11/06 with 2 core at just about the same speed.
http://chuckbam.com/P5B_Deluxe_XP/PCMARK05.jpg
This is one with the same 2 core CPU on 3/27/07 with Vista.
Look at the HD speed
http://chuckbam.com/Vista/PCMark05_32707.JPG
This is a test the other day with the Quad under XP. By the time I ran this one at this clock speed it was late. I only ran it one time. Maybe a few more runs it would have balanced out more. It run's everything 2 times. So, it is like having two tests. One with the overall and one by line item.
http://chuckbam.com/Vista/PCMARK05100407.jpg
I need to clean up my Vista install before I do a test PCMARK05 on that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam
Most q6600's on air seems to need at least above 1.4v to get 3.6. I would try higher volts and if that fails try with higher volts and drop the multiplier to 8and try fsb450 1:1 with memory. I have pll=1.6,fsb=1.3,and NB=1.4 with vcore=1.4125v I dont believe that you want to use BIOS power management if you are overclocking as it will affect the stablity.
Dear sesdave,Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
I will try the the 1:1, I would have the same DDR speed of 900 MHz. 8x 450 ~ 3.6 ~ DDR2 900 MHz. That would work for the DDR. I have tested this memory, maybe a year now, and this is the best I can run 4 sticks with a somewhat acceptable timing.
Under Vista I have the Vista power management configured not to drop the the Vcore when the multiplier drops to 6x.
I will go up a little on the Vcore and see if I can have this overclock with the acceptable thermal result. The CPU should be OK since the Vcore spec is 1.372. I will go up to the Max spec and see it does.
Can you tell me what is the default NB v ? That would give me a reference. I guess I can just look that up. What is PLL?
Like I said, I want 110% stability with this computer. My default OS is Vista 64. Set up for Visual effect. I have a custom aero theme, side bar full of gadgets, TV card running, DreamScene, some FTP folders, and other TSR's. 24/7, not a good test OS. But I did run Prime95 for 8 hours.
Today I will order a OEM Vista Basic and dump the XP as my testing platform.
At this point in time, a fully loaded Vista OS is to fragile for testing. The registry and services is will not withstand BSD, bad shutdowns etc.
Thanks for the TTR's Guide, that is a real nice tool.
http://chuckbam.com/_themes/CPUz2160.JPG
http://chuckbam.com/_themes/Capture21.JPG
http://chuckbam.com/_themes/Capture59.JPG
PS: I can also experiment with software controlled power management for day to day operation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam
I am slightly confused - what speed are you trying to get the q6600 to run at for 24/7 operation. I will happily run mine 24/7 @3.6 without any power management as it only idles at 34c. Sure it increases under application/game load but nothing like running prime95 all day. As long as you have decent CPU HSF and a good airflow through the case it will be fine. What HSF have you got as 50c is a bit high with nothing running and underclocked.I would expect it to be somewhere between 30-40 on idle allowing for different batches.
Why you want to buy 32 bit vista when you have Vistax64 - you have a 64bit CPu and vista x64 runs fine. Seems a bit of a waste.
CPU PLL voltage is a BIOS setting on the P5K which I understand to be for fine-tuning the power supply of the q6600. Increasing the default setting can help stability of o/c with high fsb.
just got my G0, temps are about 7c different per core, with my ultra 120 extreme, i reseated the cpu with the washer mod, still the same, i dont think the bottom of the 120 is touching the cpu all the way down, any suggestions?
Temperature variance between cores is normal. You can try to reduce it by lapping the heatsink and the cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Heatsink is lapped, the cpu i dont want to lap, i have lapped 5 cpu's with no difference to anything, temps stayed the same, and OC stayed the same, all with mirror shine to them as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GripS
Well.... My 'G0' was not flat(not even close). CPU's rarely fail so i wouldn't be so concerned about losing the warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
I know man, but the thing is i have lapped several cpu's with no gains, if any very small and not worth the trouble, so far the temp difference is 8c , core 0 and 2 run 8c higher than core 1 and 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by GripS
Q6600 GO @ 4185 Ghz
L726A820
Thermaltake BigWater 745
sesdave,Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
I am just trying to have a balance of performance/stability. My power management only changes the multiplier not the Vcore. Are you saying that running Prime95 all day is to high a standard?
The temps at 50c are the core temps. Is the the Intel Thermal specification of 71°C the CPU temp? I read on an Intel PDF that on a 775 you have to have the sencer mounted directly in the center of the die. My CPU temp in that pic I believe was in the high 30s. But, on average it is less (See the pics)
I have an ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro with 3 day old Arctic Silver 5 (different companies).
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/freezer7pro/
After many re-installs, I just dumped a Asus VR-Guard cooler. It was just a big hot hunk of copper. I even added a additional fan and it helped only a little. I put the OEM fan back on and then went to what I have now and this is the best out of the three. The min temps are not the best, but, the max temps are fairly low compared to the other two. I don't think I have a CPU cooling problem at high load for what I am trying to do.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/periph...CPU-Coolers/p5
Before that I dumped CORSAIR XMS2 8500cs DDR. It did not run anything close to the claims on my board. I replaced it with what I have now and I have better stability, mem speed and timings. This mem is on the QVL list.
I can believe how much DDR2 went down in price in 3/4 of a year. And the DDR3 prices are way out of site. I bet they will go down substantially in the months to come.
I would not install Vista Basic 32-bit. I believe I have seen the OEM Basic 64-bit at Directron.com. Also, I have installed Basic 64-bit on 2 computers with the Windows 64-bit Anytime Upgrade disk and a Basic 32 valid OEM key. I want it to read 4 GBs of memory.
I Vista install I have now is not setup for any Benchmarking. I have been running Prime95 though for probably 1/2 hour and all is good.
I picked a Vcore of 1.42 and that is as high as I will go. That should be safe for long term use (yes, no ?) I am at 8x 430 3440 MHz. 1:1 860 mem.
FSB of 450, I had a BSD at boot, FSB 440 I ran Prime95 for around 20 min and had a re-boot.
Now I am at 430 and all is good. If I need to go lower, I am just going back to the 360 9x and stay at that. You can tell by my Video card that I am not a gamer. But, I am a big time multi tasker. Vista feels real go with this 4 core CPU. I really notice a difference.
I would like to find a way to OC a ATI vid card in 2D. Just a little
Here are more temps at 1.41-1.42v.
http://chuckbam.com/P5B_Deluxe_XP/sub27/2640.JPG
http://chuckbam.com/P5B_Deluxe_XP/sub27/3.52lowload.JPG
http://chuckbam.com/P5B_Deluxe_XP/sub27/3520._100.JPG
Q6600 L626
P5K Deluxe
TRUE + Liquid PRO
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3...rksassalt0.jpg
Rbs.
One 24hr run of prime 95 is more than enough to prove any system stability for MB,CPU and memory- it maxes the machine out way more than any normal use of multitasking will do. I have never bothered with more than a 12hour run but some forums demand it to prove your overclock. Depend on how keen you are - although as you want 24/7 use it worth doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam
Coretemps are what count. Here is a link to an article re tcase,tjunction and all thing temperature for CPU's http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/...perature-guide
Your idle temps seem high -Whats your case cooling like. I had an arctic cooler 7 pro before the ultima-90 and it would idle 37c @3.6 with 1.425v using MX-2 paste. If the load temps of 60c are with prime95 running that looks good to me.
Dont give up on 440 just yet - uses other BIOS options than vcore to try and get stability. I use not only CPU PLL increase for stability . This is an interesting thread on how CPU Voltage Reference & NB Voltage Reference can influence OC- ability. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=2461613 What make is your memory and what volts are you giving it. You could try loosening the timings to 5,5,5,15 first to get the system stable and work on it later.
Rivatuner is the tool I use for overclocking my 8800GTS - it has a 2D/3D option. Get it from guru3d.com. http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163 good site for most drivers and tools.
I'm having trouble getting my GO past 3.0 stable.....
I'm gonna try a new board and see what happens.
I'm using an EVGA 680i A1 now, looking at using an Abit IP35 pro
All the P5K boards seem good for the q6600. asus premium seems pretty good with it due to the quality of the capacitors on the board.http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=155116Quote:
Originally Posted by crosshairs
Course there is now theGigabyte x38 DQ6 which will support DDR2 ram to consider.http://www.trustedreviews.com/mother...GA-X38T-DQ6/p1
I lapped my e6600 with no real gain but it seems a lot of q6600 are being reported as having a concave IHS. Check it with a razor blade light test - e.g get a razor or stanley knife blade and hold it on the IHS surface and see if it blocks all light along the length.if there is significant light showing you will benefit from lapping it - if not a waste of time. I checked mine and it was okay so I didnt do it. Here is a link that shows a 10c benefit when he lapped his concave IHS http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=441410Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
A mirror shine isnt the main idea - just get it as flat as possible for maximum contact -The paste will do the rest. I found upto 600 -800 grit black wet and dry paper was enough for an overall flat finish with all nickle removed- a last round with a 1000 if wanted but not necessary. Different grades of paper and a piece of glass is all thats needed. I see some people use water when rubbing - this isnt a car wing that we are rubbing down so no water!.Just use new sheets as required. That should drop overall temps and even core temps . Have you got a fan with a good CFM on your HS
viperp170
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Sorry, Nooby...I have a Blitz Formula with a q6600 # 720A326 .. I am trying to run 3.4 I have water cooling ... I have to reboot over and over to get stable.. I have OCZ 8500 set at 945, 5.5.5.15 2.3v cpu volts 1.475. NB 1.55v if you go higher on cpu or nb it becomes unstable. Could ya help... thanks
ok, would anyone run 1.6v and 1.65 under load for daily use if temps were under 70 while priming???
thats about how much voltage i need to get my baby at 3.8 stable
A quick bench and suicide run. Q6600 Go on a P5K Deluxe.
Q6600 GO @ 455x9 (4.1ghzThereabouts:D ) GSkill 6400 GBHZs 1092mhz 4-4-4-13.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8...32m4090gz9.jpg
RLM
Will TITAN AMANDA TEC COOLLER be enough for overclocking a G0? I know it would dissipate tons of heat, since it is quad core...
Many overclocks around 3.6-3.8 are on good air coolers with load on prime95 around 65-70c. The latest HSF are very good and dont have the TEC downsides of high power consumption and PC case heat problems. Course if you already have an Amanda - give it a go and see what the temps are like when you o/c the CPU. Post the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixt00l
Is that voltage before or after Vdroop. I have been reading that there is a lot of droop in the X38 boards. What is the load voltage?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Get the Thermalright ultra-120 Extreme, the best air cooler around, I think that the thermalright cost much lesser then the titan:XQuote:
Originally Posted by Fixt00l
Hmz I can get the LP somewhere, but the UT is out of stock atm, So I was wondering if the cooling ( regarding the seperate NB/SB/PWM sinks) are good enough, considering the Heatpipes on the UT really works ( as I heared from a few). Maybe adding some 40-60 mm fan on them if needed. Or shall I just wait another 1-2 weeks when the UT are back on stock?
it idles at 1.58-1.60 and loads at 1.62-1.65, on the gigabyte board the voltage jumps around a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossg
Forgive the stupid question, but is completing super-pi calculations equivalent to a stable OC?
I always thought it had to be Prime/Orthos stable for multiple hours?
If I'm wrong, what program can be run/completed to call one's OC "stable?"
Thanks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by san~man
No Super PI, even 32M is much less CPU taxing than Orthos / prime. OCCT isnt bad for a 30 min test, but nothing beats Orthos / Prime.
That's what I thought, thanks for the confirmation.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Now, what's the "accepted" or "reasonable" time length to run prime/orthos for a "stable" OC?
I believe everyone on here accepts Prime 95 for at least 8 hours before calling it stable. Others might say 12 hours.
I usually run mine 8 or longer.
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetickiller
anyone know how good L731 chips are
What would you guys say is the highest safe vCore to use daily on water ( fuzion,pa120.3) ?
That said I have just read this review http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=689 which basically says that the x38 MBs are not worth the cost as a performance upgrade against the P35 unless you specifically want to build a system with crossfire HD 2900XTs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
My G0 under Tuniq Tower. Unfortunately 467 is max FSB for this proc on air :(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...00L731B163.jpg
1.55v bios:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...56155vbios.jpg
1.6525v bios:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...16525vbios.jpg
New BIOS 0402 released for those overclocking with a P5K Premium.
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
Seems to resolve most of the hard drive issues except for samsung. May also have other improvements which will help overclocks - I hope!
EXCELLENT. Will load it up this evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Dear sesdave,Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Thanks for all the links and other information. I read them all.
I am using Kingston HyperX DDR2 4GB, HX6400D2LLK2/2G, Specs PC2-6400 CL4 +2.0V. I can run this memory at about 455 @ 1.25v -4-5-5-12.
I have decided that a 9x 360 OC is the best overclock for me. I considered both 3.24 and 3.44. I found that with (P5B-D) my motherboard, gaining the extra .20 GHz was just not worth taking this CPU out of Vcore specs.
http://chuckbam.com/overclock_determination_of2.htm
I think I am getting the performance I need. I will have to see what others are testing at.
http://chuckbam.com/CompPage082107_Files/Pcmark054b.PNG
I just fired up my Q6600 build on an Asus Premium on water and made a few changes in the bios and set the vcore at 1.45 for 425x9 then loaded windows at 3825mhz without a problem. It was the fastest windows install I have ever seen and put a massive smile on my face. Chip is a L726A849 SLACR from TankGuys. Once I load all the drivers I will try that new Bios and see what else this thing can do. Very happy so far though.
Just threw together a new box without researching parts as much as usual (needed it quickly), and to my satisfaction I ended up with a nice "G0". I'm running on air @ 400x9 and 1.3875v on the cpu as you can see in my signature! Nice & quick!
Also, does anyone know of a reliable cpu temperature application for Vista x64? Speedfan give me seemingly incorrect temperatures (they look much too low).
I would like to know that too! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkatom
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skerlnik
Vista x64 - first apply ldisable driver signing command http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/ind...showtopic=2548 = may not work anymore if you have applied update : KB932596 but try it anyway!
Coretemps 95.4 beta for CPU with a fix for vista x64 driver signing. If the disable CMD doesnt work remember to run bat file each time nefore you start Coretemp.exe or it will loop on driver load http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=43
Everest ultimate for everything - load and select computer/sensor to display all temperatures available on MB sensors http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...-Edition.shtml
Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Thanks Sesdave, that works very well!
- Sker
I love PC-Wizad. I think it is very underestimated. One of the best things about it is the fact that as soon as you minimize it, all the info you need pops up on your desktop... LIKE THIS.............................................. .................................................. .............................VVVQuote:
Originally Posted by Skerlnik
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/5...enyloaduu6.jpg
Hey that *is* cool! I didn't notice that the first time. Looks like I'm going to have to lapp the cpu and heatsink. Some of the cores are 5C different in temperature at idle.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustChill
- Sker
PC wizard feature does look neat - didn't know a new vesion was out. I might use insread of coretemp/everest as the display is more compact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skerlnik
Re the CPU - might be worth doing a razor test on the IHS before lapping cos if its not concave you probably wont gain much from lapping it. I had the same thought but mines flat. That way you dont waste your time , have aching wrists and have its resale value as new-lol!.
I had the foresight to check my CPU and heatsink with a razor before installing. Both parts weren't flat, so I'll probably do some sanding work eventually. The funny thing is, I threw this box together quickly, and just used Thermalright's paste (yes I have some AS-5) without even properly cleaning the CPU, and it runs at 3600 mhz @ 1.38v at 43c idle. Not a shabby CPU! I imagine once I lapp the parts I may see another 5c drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
- Sker
I'm skeptical about lapping CPU's or heatsinks. If done right, it might lower your temps, but I don't think the difference is really all that apparent. Some lapped CPU's look very cool with intense reflections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skerlnik
I think it's your motherboard and the Thermalright Extreme heatsink that are giving you very good overclocks. That MSI board is the same as the platinum with lower quality heatpipes. Everyone is on the Gigabyte/ASUS bandwagon, but MSI has been making some outstanding motherboard over the years. The P35 NEO-2 is one of those great boards.
If the IHS is concave and the HS uneven lapping will provide better contact and reduce temperatures - check the 10c drop in the link posted previously. Achieving even flat surface on the CPU and HS is the objective - if already flat dont waste your time lapping. Mirroring adds nothing as paste will still be applied to complete the thermal transfer connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Gruber
MB and HSF are part of the overclock but CPU heat output is a main contributor to restricting the overclock. He has a good CPU(lucky swine -lol) but he hasn't maxed his overclock out. So when raising FSb and other parameters he will be limited by the amount of vcore that can be applied for stability before the resulting temperature rise causes instability or fries the CPU. Water and air cooling have a limit to what they can hold the load temps at no matter how good they are - so any reduction in the heat output under load is good to achieve the maximum overclock. That is why people use phase for extreme overclocking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Hans, I'll admit I was a little skeptical before my first lapping. I had an E6600 that ran somewhat warm, so I decided to lap the heatsink and CPU, and it ended up running 7c cooler! That's not too shabby! Also, my MSI *is* the Platinum edition with the crazy heat pipes which kind of make mounting a fan to a Thermalright U-120 somewhat tricky! I've owned Asus, Giga, A-open, Abit, and Intel MB's, yet this MSI definitely has impressed me.
Sesdave, you make some good points! Once I lapp everything I'll ramp up this CPU to see what it can really do! *oink*
- Sker
Hey Guys !!
I'm about to buy one of this babies....I have a store that has some SLACR..do you recommend any batch ??
Regards
Sergio
L23A or L26A
Glad to hear that your lapping was successful. Obviously you knew what you were doing. Some people have posted little or no gain in lower temps. I assume skill (lapping) has more to do with it than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skerlnik
I have the Thermalright Ultra 120 as well on my C2D setup. It was very difficult setting up the Thermalright 120. So difficult that I actually prefer the Tuniq Tower 120 for simplicity and the fact it comes with its own fan. The Tuniq fan is ceratainly a lot louder than the Thermalright.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
I've got the L23A. I was wondering why many people were having trouble overclocking their Q6600's. Mine runs quite stable at 3.4Ghz at 1.35v. I'm trying to save the earth by conserving energy.
I understand why you would lap the CPU cooler. I have seen some real ruff ones. But, would not a very thin application of some good thermal compound do the same thing on the CPU? I do it with a razor. takes a little time to break in but, I think it works. I did not know that CPU were that tough. If they can stand a good lapping. I always treated then as being fragile. But sine the removal of the pins, I have not been so careful with them.
Hans, I purchased a P35 NEO-2 FR and am installing it soon. Your approval of it had an influence on my decision. In fact, I would not even looked in to it, if it was not for your posts. Other than the 4 phase power, ( but it does not appear that you are having any problems with that) it seems like a good deal. I had a few MSI products before.
I have an 8 phase power with the P5B-D. And, it has the greatest Vdroop I have ever seen on a performance motherboard.
If you've ever checked the flatness of a CPU with a razor edge, you'll see that they're never uniformly flat. Same goes for heatsinks. You can sand their metal casing down quite a bit before actually damaging them. I like to keep the little plastic cover that comes attached over the socket side on while lapping. I've used wet/dry sandpaper & have even gotten a CPU wet on it's electronic bits (probably not a good idea) and it's still worked fine. They're not as fragile as you may think.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam
Also, you may want to check Arctic Silver's instructions on how to apply thermal compound to a core 2 or quad core CPU. I wouldn't recommend applying it with a razor blade, but instead squeeze out a thin line down the CPU and let the paste ooze where it needs to go once you seat the heatsink.
Nice choice on the MSI part! I'm another satisfied consumer. One of the best features on this board is the LED error code display. Comes in very handy!
- Sker
Every posting of a Q6600 progressively being lapped that i have seen shows that the outer edge of the IHS is clearly higher then the center(where the cores are). This is not good. Intel doesn't really care as long as it's close. They don't make chips to be overclocked. And at stock speeds the stock HSF is good enough to do the job. But we are all overclocking our chips so 'good enough' doesn't cut it :). Lapping netted me significant decrease in temps under load (idle went unchanged).
I have a 726A running at 4G at 1.5v rock solid on water.
Sweet! Post some screens.Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
Sometimes I wonder if after sanding a water block, and CPU for hours, it kind of makes you apply the paste a little 'better' too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Gruber
Or even that the surfaces were super clean so everything bonded better...
Not sure, but I skipped lapping. ;)
Just use liquid Pro :)
I have been working way too much lately, I just got home about an hour ago for another 15 hour day. I will try to crank out some bench work over the weekend and post it up but so far it looks pretty good. Pulled over 14,000 in 3DM06 with just a slight clock on the 8800GTX on just the second try. I need to fine tune this setup.:)
Full load temps plz plz plz. And the watercooler config :)
Just askin' coz' I'm going to buy a watercooler kit...and need to know how better is it against Ultra-120 extreme.
Thanks!
Rbs.
by this you mean rock solid with SPi 32m? hope you can post it with prime95...Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
You gotta admit that even a 32m run with that low of voltage is impressive. But i do agree..... Let's see some prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by timber715
Ok I tried Prime V25.5 at 4G and its a no go after only a few minutes so I began dropping down the speed. Right now Im running at 3753mhz at 1.56v with all four cores loaded. Temps so far after ten minutes running are cores 0-1 61C cores 2-3 62C but its way to early to say anything yet. I will let it go for at least a few hours and post the results,if everything looks good I will start to climb back up with the speed. I have however ran every other bench at 4G with zero issues but then again this is the last word. Will check back later with results.
It would be nice to see people quote their speeds with Prime95 loads stable for 30 minutes or more. I can run at 3.4Ghz 1.30v(bios setting) CPU-Z shows my vcore overvolts 0.25-0.50v. Prime95 brings my Q6600 to it knees within minutes. Usually after 10 minutes, one core will fail and the test will continue. Suprisingly, the core that fails changes after each Prime95 setting.
I doubt some of these 4.0Ghz overclocks can run Prime95 stable for more than an hour. However, some of you guys with kick ass phaze change and massive cooling on every other component could do it with no problem at all. I would guess 10% or less of overclockers would count as professional overclockers. I've seen some pretty crazy looking guru overclocking gear, makes me feel like an amateur.
Anandtech.com did a comparison of cheap water cooling >$300 vs. Air Cooling. The Thermalright Ultra 120 and extreme120 as well as the Tuniq Tower 120 as well as several others provided better cooling than watercooling under $300. I've got 2 Tuniq Tower 120's and one Thermalright Ultra 120. If you spend over $300, water cooling beats out the best air coolers.
I use Arctic Silver 5 paste. There's a new paste that betters the cooling of Arctiv Silver 5 that was reviewed recently, can't recall the name but it was reviewed by frostytech.com
For those getting the (Chuckbam) MSI P35 NEO-2 FR, I'm using bios 1.1 on a Vista 64 bit system. I've turned up the FSB one notch below red setting and the Northbridge up to 1.45v (I think) which is one notch into the red danger area of the MSI bios. I've heard bad things about some of the newer MSI bios releases by MSI. Gigabyte definately spends the most time tweaking their bios compared to MSI. However, MSI bios 1.1 works very well.
Ok here is Prime 95 v25.5 after 9+ hours at 3753mhz, Looks like I need to retract my statement about being rock solid at 4G at least right now with prime included. Testing continues.:)
I dont have a quad but thanks I forgot all about PC wizard !Quote:
Originally Posted by JustChill
What's your watercooler config?Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
Rbs.
Single loop for the Chip which is a PA 120.3 with three Silverstone FM121 vari speed fans in pull config, fusion block and MCP655 pump on 1/2" tubing. Seperate GPU loop is being constructed as of now but is not operational yet.
Thank you...and ambient temps?Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
Sorry for the questions...I'm going to put together a similiar watercooler system, just catching some information :)
Rbs.
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Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
3753Mhz is a very respectable overclock, considering 9+ hours of Prime95. I can run Battlefield 2 for hours on my Q6600 at 3.4Ghz 1.3v, but if I run Prime95, a core will fail in 5 minutes.
How is the Fuzion better than Storm Rev2 (if any way)?Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
People running @3.9-4.1GHz range: what are your settings (FSB, voltage etc) and cooling?
THX
I primed[ small FFts] mine 9 hours and 30min before 1 core failes @ 3.6ghz(400x9) @ 1.392 before 1 core failed :<, thus I prime always 12h+ mark:X and got it stable with vcore 1.408 for 13 hours.
Not a problem at all. Idle temps are in the high 20s low 30s and a major short term load only reaches around 40. My 24/7 speed currently is 3950 at 1.53v which is very stable infact other then prime I can run anything all day long without issue. IMO buy real good parts for a liquid build and over size the heat load you think you might need and you should be happy with the results,patience is everything when building. I perfer Thermochill rads myself even though they are pricey and have built many liquid systems with them that paid back great results.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by rbsmontemor
Thanks much, Im just getting started with this chip as I only fired it up last week and have been working like a total retard way too much lately which leaves almost no time to continue research on this new monster, I worked today 13hrs and just got home. Prime95 is rather humbling when you think everythings crankin though I personally do not use it much. I will bring that speed back up and run it again and again until I dial it in. I will post more as I move forward.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Gruber
Thats a good question though IMO I think the Fusion still has the lead. I have a liquid cooled Opty 170 system at 3G on my left here that is using the Storm rev2 and the Q rig on my right has the Fusion which I think is working better though there are many variables that can effect a direct comparison. I think the Fusion might have a slightly larger Copper surface area which would certainly give it an advantage in heat dissipation. There are however a couple of new players out in the water block arena that look very promising. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by T2k
Thats a solid clock and with that cooling you could reach even higher. 1.5v is fine just keep an eye on your temps.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by mc2k
wow, mine takes 1.4 to fold @ 3.4 stable 24/7... wish I could get 3.6 stable at 1.4v... it's do 3.6 but not a 1.4 24/7 stable...
Here's my contribution: (haven't had time to see if it'll go higher)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k9...cs/36prime.jpg
Yea, i know I lapped the cpu + TRUE , this what lapping did for me:Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
before Lap:
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...ire/before.jpg
After Lap:
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...ire/after2.jpg
Still got a big gap between cores 0 1 & 2 3, after the lap I could reach for same clock with lower vcore required, before it needed at least 1.440 vcore or= reboot within 2-3 hours of prime
Thats a pretty nice decrease in temps for lapping and I would not get too crazy about the core temp difference, my temp readings are the same though not as drastic. You would need an almost optically flat surface on both parts like a granite surface plate for perfectly even heat distribution. Im happy with this chip so far and think its still got some headroom beyond 4G left once really tweaked.
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Originally Posted by andressergio
Just received a 730A , VID 1.215 does 3ghz easily on 1.2 volts under load, 3.4at 1.325, not been higher yet , it's on a gigabyte DS4 mobo , gonna put in the P5K DLx with WC as load temps were at 56°C with an thermalright Ultra 120 with a Papst GL fan at 1200rpm in an open case... testing will continue, think this one will replace my 727B
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Originally Posted by T2k
Do a little search over @ the wc'ing section and u'll find your answers... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
BTW ppl don't post multiple posts. This is what multi-quote is all about... :rolleyes:
Fuzion > Storm 2 with quads, difference is less to minimal with dual cores...
Mine, quick run of things really... didn't get to optimize, change nb volt, etc as the goal wasn't to get the max mhz out of it but to stress enough. I am pretty sure there is 50-100mhz hiding in there somewhere.
Nice job. 4365 is one of the highest I've seen.
Try using small fft's and see what happens :)
seems you have a monster wating to awake there, looks promising... goodluck :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
ClubIT has a good deal on them right now. I just ordered one. Only $277.99 USD with 3-7 day fedex for $2.99.
http://www.clubit.com/product_detail...temno=A1938452
Here's something I found a little strange. I have the MSI P35 mb, and was running 3 HD's, and 1 optical from the 4 ICH9 ports. I added a 4th HD and moved the optical drive to the extra marvell SATA port, which I had to enable. Hit the power, and the damn thing wouldn't boot! In the end, I had to remove a few sticks of memory and up the memory voltage by another 0.1v before it would boot with all 4 sticks.
Seems like activating the marvell port is causing a small voltage drop across the dimm ports. I guess it makes sense considering the laws of physics, but you'd think the MB would just draw more power from the PSU to support the additional requirements.
Anyway, just sharing since I thought it was a little strange (and kind of frustrating!).
Btw, kicked my FSB up to 450mhz x8 and same voltage on the CPU. This thing runs great!! Still haven't lapped it yet, and my core temps never get over 59c.
- Sker
Hey guys I received the Q6600 2 days ago, the G0 L723A wich was promising and recomended here also...it's VID= 1,2875..but...
The ambient temp was 25-26C
Crucials left near stock i mean near 1066 5-5-5-15 at 2,2 to asure to test the CPU only.
Boot at 3420Mhz (380x9) vith vcore 1,35 but prime95 fails, so i have to go for 1,4 for Prime95 to stabilize, 30 mins at Smallfft's, and Largefft's also. I have pretty high temps when Prime95 is runing i mean 69 the cores and 52 CPU...
I tried going up to 3600 (400x9) and boots perfect on 1,4Vcore, but Prime95 fails in seconds...So i tried more Vcore and it also failed til 1,5 Vcore wich is kinda sad...temps are very high i mean 74 the Cores and 60 the CPU...
I have an Asus P5K dlx bios 311 and TT Big typhoon with AS5 no lapped...
Wich settings are you using guys on ASUS P5K dlx for example to go to 3,6ghz ? With version of Prime95 you use (i used 25,5) and wich test or settings on it, i never used Prime95, just orthos....
It's kinda weird that prime95 fails cause in other CPU i had the lack of vcore always was showed by reboots, etc, but this time i mean at 3,6 and 1,425vcore y can play strangehold on vista, bioshok, lost planet etc...
It can be a temp issue ? should i consider lapping ? or i just got a bad batch...
Any help will be appreciatted
Best regards
Sergio