I know its good for the mind :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
I was being sarcastic with the "reading is bad".. but apparently I did it wrong. :p:
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I know its good for the mind :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
I was being sarcastic with the "reading is bad".. but apparently I did it wrong. :p:
It launched on paper, I never said they did a hard launch. If that were the case I would have called it a more appropriate "Pre-Launch" or the hype that surrounds it sheesh! But have it any way you'd like;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=183Quote:
Originally Posted by dippyskoodlez
:up:
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Originally Posted by informal
Not one partner is advertising a Barcelona compatible board for sale. At Computex partners had Barcelona running on AMD reference boards in sealed boxes.
With all the hype around Barcelona, what would make a motherboard manufacturer not advertise compatibility?
You actually believe this??Quote:
Originally Posted by Sup3rman
The main AMD selling point IS backwards compatibility.They based all their advertisement on that(apart from native quad core stuff and other things).
So no,that won't happen,not in million years.
I will not go into why there is no advertisements from mobo maker's side.
I am not predicting the future. I am saying to date there is no platform to run Barcelona outside of AMDs reference boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
AMD's main selling point keeps changing:
> First
Superiority over Intel's quad (They have back off this point)
> Then
Superiority over Opteron dual core (2GHz QC vs. 3GHz QC superiority really depends on the app)
> Then
Performance per watt (This didn't work AMD 1.9GHz @ 65W vs. Intel 2GHz @ 50W)
> Now
Backwards compatible simple BIOS upgrade (the simple BIOS upgrade is not so simple)
I am positive there are people on this board with access to a Barcelona CPU, it's not the NDA that's preventing the benchmarks.
it isnt launched on paper.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
How many people saying the same thing over and over again do you need before you understand the matter?
Guys: Does it really matter if it launched or paper or didn't?
Keep a perspective. It's not important. Really, it isn't.
When they get here they'll get here and thats it.
I want a pair of Harpertowns so bad I get wood every time I think about it( and at 55 that ain't easy!:D ) but you don't see me bellyaching about it daily do you?
C'mon, Have some fun here and at least try to be friends.
Xs has so much to offer, don't get stuck on the negative things.
Thanks for reading..
Just caught this:
Sup3rman: You said:
"I am positive there are people on this board with access to a Barcelona CPU, it's not the NDA that's preventing the benchmarks."
Yes, there are people with Barcelona's but they'd never see another cpu from AMD if they published benchmarks. That's the God's truth and the only reason you haven't seen benchmarks here.
I'll take Movieman's advice. But first; I didn't come here to insult folks like one other poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
Whatever it is, it's Hyped out the wa-zoo but hidden from that public. The simple point still stands, if it kicked ass, AMD would be leaking real benchmarks all over the place. NDA's would have been lifted long before its official launch as well. Bad sign.
Now please link to where I said anything close to flame bait like that? Movieman I'm 50 years old and no, these childish replies don't bother me, that's why I didn't add to the flames. He's absolutely clueless and is posting feeling instead of established norms.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
Donnie27, you are very wrong in your understanding of English, PR & Marketing. They have not paper launched it & the only way they can is to say "you can buy it now" when really you can't. AMD have never said Barcelona was available now, just that they were going to make it available in August. So if it's not in shops by Midnight, August the 31st then it's a paper launch.
Examples.
That's what Intel and AMD have been jumped for since the term was invented.Quote:
Paper launch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A paper launch is the situation in which a product is compared or tested against other products, despite the fact that it is not available to the public at ... en.wikipedia.org
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32000
If you guys think I'm the only one using the Term paper launch like this, you're crazy.Quote:
Why does Intel have to control the benchmarking environment? It is not an objective review methodology with Intel controlling the systems and software. Credibility is seriously in question.
Looks like another desperate paper launch so they can give the impression of keeping pace with AMD. More reacting to AMD.
It's Intel way of doing. AMD used to be full of NDA and greedy to spare ES chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Moreover why the point of giving something now? Barcelona is out in around one months.
Donnie:
Everyone likes to have the last word in a discussion. Myself included.
Last night I read thru this back and forth of whether of not AMD is doing a paper launch and saw the tempers heating up.
That's why I asked that people let this go and get onto something constructive. I tried to do it nicely as I would much rather deal with everyone on this forum as a friend than pull rank and play mod.
Get my drift?
To take something as minute as this and make it into a bone of contention between people is ludricous IMO.
Every Barcelona thread that has been opened has been closed.
I don't want that to happen here.
I've already asked one guy not to post in this thread to try and keep the peace. I don't want to have to ask anyone else.
The bottom line is that companies do release information before the product to build interest in that product so that a ready market is there the day the item is available. Whether that time is a month or a year is their option.
Can we please leave it at that?
Thanks for reading.
I'm not mad or upset. It was an old ploy by the doodles guys to switch the subject. He loves AMD and anything seeming negative towards AMD, he takes personally. I don't want to see the thread closed either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Honestly, I know why they did it and I shouldn't be called names for saying they did it.:up: It's not about the "last word", it's about simple right and wrong. Now I'll do my best to get with the program.
Well said MM.It seems you are restraining badly not to use mod stick,i can see your hand reaching to it,but stopping at the last sec :D.You are right,every company hypes their products before launch,it's common practice.Only AMD does it in slightly different way since they are extra careful to whom they give their chips.
If there is a real reason for some type of Barcelona hush-up, AMD would do better to disclose it and build trust. It's too close for all of this secrecy when AMD is being Hammered (pardon the pun).Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
Intel would hide their results just like AMD if Penryn didn't out perform Conroe for example. Not taking sides here, please noticed I said the same thing when the question was asked.
Not problem with AMD fanboys Donnie27, Intel"Evil Inside" Knigth is already here to destroy them and he works 24h/24h :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Hehehe! Funny thing is I want to see Barkie kick ass. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I just don't like the stalling.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
Intel doesn't hides nothing cause they know Penryn outperform Conroe and it doesn't hide Conroe numbers cause they outperform K8 numbers. AMD may not shows numbers cause they are bads...or not :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Thank you. Now go play in the Intel thread and let these poor guys enjoy their discussion of their upcoming products.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
It's been a long year for the AMD supporters and lets hope all the mystery is to bring out a monster new line for AMD.
That would make my day.:up:
Yes, I was restraining. Being a mod here is a 2 edged sword.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
One is also a forum member with many friends and also hates to interfere in any thread. It isn't a power game or ego trip but a desire to see peace and friendship prevail. Sounds a bit naive but it isn't.
I see this forum as a place to come and learn and share what we know as friends.
It's that simple to me and I try to be fair to everyone as long as they will listen to logic.
Now I'm not a mild person by nature and you see the dark side of me when spammers post here.
I ban their backsides as fast as possible to deny them the one thing they want: Time on the forum for people to read their filth.
OK, Back to Barcelona!:D
Possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
Thank you too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
A New Giuseppe Amato interview here
http://www.hwupgrade.com/articles/cp...ato_index.html
This tidbit is interesting:
Giuseppe Amato: At the present moment our main customers have Opteron Barcelona CPU samples, which are begin used for the validation process and internal research for compatibility with existing systems. These processors are not available for the press at this moment, but they will be by the end of August. We prefer not to spread information on operating clock speeds and performance as of right now, but I will say that the early versions of Barcelona processors will reach 2 GHz.
He is the guy to listen... Giuseppe Amato give generally good informations
"Giuseppe Amato: That rumor is the result of a misinterpretation of an announcement that our CEO, Hector Ruiz, made. He was saying that AMD will leave the care of manufacturing and production to partner foundries only for parts that are not an intellectual property, IP. This does not imply that all AMD manufacturing will be decentralized. Only standard technology parts will be outsourced for manufacturing to our partner factories, which will result in an economic benefit for us."
I wonder if these will ramp with voltage or just squat like a fat duck with clock speed. Either way, can't wait till august. ;)
Ryan
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Originally Posted by AbelJemka
Maybe AMD are hiding it because Intel fanboys and some shoddy high traffic websites might cry FAKE LOL:rofl:
Like AMD Fans did when the first Conroe tests showed up?:ROTF: :rofl: Sorry MM, couldn't pass that one up.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMX
Why? A lot of us think that it will be a very hard time for AMD. But we have no new informations for AMD, and all we think know was widly discussed, so let people dream... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Quote them after we will see it? Nobody say fake cause everybody had already seen Pentium M results. Stop trying rewriting history with something never exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
It's just aswell I was only planning on getting the 2GHz K10 so hopefully by years end i'll hopefully have K10+RV670+RD790 & hopefully for a reasonable price.
I am wondering though as to when AMD will "bump up" the clocks for the QC parts, hopefully it won't take them too long to hit the 2.6GHz that their "simulations" used.
Trust me LOL, there were doubters and some of them are posing on this forum and in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
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Originally Posted by DeathReborn
For K10+RD790 you'll need Phenom, not Barcelona (different socket). Phenom should arrive in December @ < 2.0GHz.
You're kidding right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sup3rman
You mean @ > 2.0GHz ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sup3rman
Some how I doubt he was jokingQuote:
Originally Posted by red
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/4...stars_list.png
but your roadmap seems false too...
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Hardware Upgrade: Can you give us some clues about the release dates of AMD’s new generation of processors for servers and desktops?
Giuseppe Amato: As for Opteron solutions, we have already made public the release date which is in September. At that time we will launch the new processors of the Barcelona family. As for the Phenom processors for desktops, the first samples of Phenom FX CPUs will be available by the end of the year, while the remaining versions of the family will arrive by March 2008."
@>2 ghz = greater than 2ghz
@<2ghz = less than 2ghz
For a december timeframe, I'd be betting on 2-2.2ghz for servers with perhaps a bin higher for a desktop single socket fx - but I'd be pleasantly suprised if we do see 2.6-2.8ghz products retail.
If all we see are 2.0 ghz cores then other in apps that can take advantage of four cores the 3.0ghz athlon x2 will perform better than the phenom x4. As such I think AMD would be wise to hold off releasing a desktop chip until it offers a performance benefit over the current lineup - servers would generally benefit more from the additional cores and so a release even at 'slow' speeds would be welcome there as soon as possible.
But as you can get a 6000+ so cheap now, why would anyone upgrade to a 2.0ghz x4 unless it was similarly priced? And if your looking at a new build I can't say that am2 looks all that appealing...
I disagree. AMD will have great sales because there are folks who will buy their latest and greatest no matter how it performs. If there are lower numbers of these, slow sales will not matter anyway. AMD will be able to even place a price premium on them and they'll still sell well enough that holding them back would be a mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by onewingedangel
However, AMD will need to work out the kinks and ramp them up to the point of just matching Intel and they'll do just fine. They might also start a reverse price war where they and Intel inch up prices. See RAM market for example?
Yea, although I am going to be interested in a Dual/Quad Barcelona server around the middle of next year. I just don't like half multi's, personal choice more than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sup3rman
RD790 does support S1207+ so they may use it for a server/workstation setup aswell, doubtful but a possibility.
Source: http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.p...=15452&catid=2Quote:
The release of the first K10 CPUs, the Opteron 2300 line-up is closing in fast and although AMD has talked a lot about it they have been reluctant to show off too many K10 CPUs. This 'issue' has been 'fixed' by the guys at oc.com.tw who have posted a first quick photo shoot of two Agena (Phenom FX/X4) engineering samples. The pics can be contemplated just below.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/158...amples0ut2.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7...amples0sw2.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6...amples0qx5.jpg
LE: Thanks Red, the pins should have tiped me off :). They must be Agena then?
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...spx?i=3006&p=5
They lie, Anandtech have shown 2, just waiting for proper BIOS/motherboard support.
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http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/AMDP...andsOn/2207033 Visually stimulating computer experience, awesome?
Guys! Pictures above are showing not Barcelona but Phenom CPU!!
Haven't you noticed pins!! :)
Besides picture form Anand is showing early Barcelona samples. No markings on heat spreader except 'AMD'. This mean they are for internal evaluation. Far from retail chips..
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2...cengsampy1.jpg
Agena benchmarks please :)
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gallery/a...ood-280245.php here is the permalink if you're into those kind of pictures. Babelfish says that they are 1.6GHz, 1.8GHz, B0. What else? Anyone speaks Chinese?
I got it in English and they are just talking about this press release.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
http://www.hothardware.com/articles/...in_NYC/?page=2
Don't shoot the messenger :p:Quote:
representatives from AMD said a top-to-bottom line-up of desktop Phenom processors, priced competitively in the marketplace, will be available in the fourth quarter of this year.
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Originally Posted by red
:frag:
Nice find red :up: !Quote:
Originally Posted by red
If now we only could steel that beta game and put it on Q6600 for comparison....
Made the rest of the story moot!Quote:
Perhaps the most interesting item on display - at least to us anyway - was AMD's Phenom powered demo system. We weren't able to ascertain the clock speed or run any benchmarks, but we were still able to glean some good information about the system and CPU.
I can see them not being able or allowed to run benchmarks but not being able "to ascertain the clockspeed"..Pluuuuese..If someone's going to BS me at least try to make it beleivable..Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
How difficult would it be to see the machines speed? 2 left clicks maybe?:shakes:
Just what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
They were being supervised in case you missed the previous story with that AMD guy sitting behind them. And i guess breaking the rules would mean no more exclusives from AMD at the very least.
I do understand but my point remains the same. Without knowing the speed a machine is running it all you can talk in is in the vaguest generalities and therefore you really don't have any exclusive other than to say " Gee, it seems pretty responsive"Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR
I can take my clover rig, turn the multi to 6, the ram to stock 333 and you have a 1998mhz 8 core machine that still is pretty decent but nowhere near the power of 3157mhz that I run it at.
That was my thinking when I said without knowing the speed of the machine you have no reference to appraise it.
didn't see anyone post these ones from Fuad. If true, looks like AMD may actually have some good news to compete with although they are ultra expensive to make.
3 to 4 % of Barcelona can go over 2.6 GHz
K10 at the corner of a wafer doomed to 2 GHz
by the way, Where the crap is the corner of a circle:p:?
corner is in the very center.....you just have to fold it twice
Then they should have told AMD they wouldn't comment on performance, Temps and or etc..... otherwise=P In fact, the whole market should tell AMD to piss-off until they can give them something tangible. Dewd, this one wasn't IMHO!Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR
Let's see, it was running cool, well hell, if it was running at about 1.6 or 1.8GHz it should be running cool. Big deal. It's not like they can say it was running at 2.8GHz and cool. How do we know it wasn't an older core?
Again, do I need to link to some of the crap said about Intel During the first Conroe tests where Intel actually at least let them see the speed of the processor and etc..? How about a couple of weeks later when they let Anand and gang test one on their own? Barcelona is what, 5 weeks away from launch? People here were called Intel Plants when they got Conroe posted results on this forum. LOL, one even called Fugger an Intel employee at [H].
The corners are the one nearest the partial dies or the complete ones far-est from the Center.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
I thought it was just the opposite!Quote:
Originally Posted by ludeboy12
The corner is the outside rimQuote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Right!Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
He means the edge? Circles don't have corners!
What term do you expect him to use?Quote:
Originally Posted by red
Rims or perhaps the crust :rolleyes:
We should all go to AMD and say:
WE NEED MORE INFO ON PHENOM!!!!!! :yepp:
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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
That would be great to do but unfortunately AMD doesn't seem to care about enthusiasts lately :(
They do but a different class of enthusiasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
Most notably the Server enthusiasts with high end only demands with absolutely unlimited budgets
Yeah, it seems all they care about anymore is server people. It's almost as if they're completely ignoring desktop enthusiasts :(Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Desktop Enthusiast :frag: AMD
I have loved AMD since the K7 days, but I tire of AMD not revealing any more info than they already have given us on K10. Why don't they stir :banana: up a bit and show us some Phenom vs Q6600? :D
Even if Phenom is like R600 and takes a little tweaking then it becomes something awesome for the $, I'll buy it. But if it doesn't live up to its expectations, then Intel, you've sold me a Core 2 Quad.
let us imagine for a second, that you sell tacos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
there are 50 people that will pay you $1 per Taco and 3 people which will pay you $50 a taco. Which people are you going to design your tacos for?
Nice analogy :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Link us to their site? Or is this just you making excuse #7000 for AMD?:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
well I know there is one of them you might be familiar withQuote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
http://www.usa.gov/
There's no such group as "Server enthusiasts" and "with absolutely unlimited budgets". Only you could come up with something so far fetched but why am I not surprised?:rolleyes: Again, if these types of users from your imagination were a force to be reckoned' with, there would be many sites dedicated to them. I'm sure these sites would be at least as popular as this one. Come on, give us a link and not .gov :rofl:????????Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Unlimited, no, but have you ever heard the phrase "if you have to ask the price then you can't afford it"? There are many comapnies who will pay tens if not hundreds of times more for a product that us "poor" people pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Governments, large corporations & educational establishments will pay the equivalent of $1000 per CPU for what would cost you in the shops $200. There's massive profits to be had if you go for the right segment with the right marketing.
nn_step uses terms you SHOULD be able to comprehend to explain a rather large & expensive section of the PC industry.
Quick question, do you own Intel stock or just have a thing about bashing AMD or their supporters? Not a dig at you personally, just wondering why you can't say nice about AMD.
Google is an excellent example. They're one of the biggest customers of server CPUs and will pay the $ to have the best ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
When will the AMD bashing end? :rolleyes:
^^it seems it became a sport here to bash amd for whatever reason. too many biased folks on both sides if you ask me, so it never ends unless people get over their fanboyism, stocks or even payrolls.
I don't know what I should think about "3-4% of Barc can go over 2.6GHz" that's like saying 40% (or any other random number...) of the core 2 based xeons can go over 3,33GHz, but what about the TDP, is it reasonable? I don't believe AMD/Intel would sell 150W chips...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
I thought it's not the yields? Someone's definitely lying here...Quote:
"The second trouble is that not all the chips from wafer works and we know that AMD is currently not happy with yields of the chips and will likely need another revision and it can pray that everything including clocks, leakage and speed is going to be fine. Otherwise it won't be pretty."
AMD earnings callQuote:
Krishna Shankar - JMP Securities
I just wanted to get a sense for [Barcelona] -- it sounds like there was some delay here and I wanted to get a sense for the challenges and how you plan to scale up the performance to address the various performance segments in the market.
Dirk R. Meyer
I better understand, thank you. First of all, we’re very happy with our 65-nanometer yields across all products, including Barcelona, so no issue there. The fact of the matter, Barcelona, while being an absolutely great product, is complicated and it’s taking a little bit more design work than we anticipated getting the final rim in place.
sorry for bashing the inq, but it's great fun, they are so clueless... Maybe they get some inside information, but I don't believe, that they *even understand what they are told*
If they had unlimited budgets they'd buy xeons, because they couldn't care less about the fb-dimm power consumption! Oh, no, tbh they'd buy power6/bluegene-P systems depending on the workload.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
So no unlimited budgets.. it's still about power draw, were the AMD platform is quite competetive even w/o Barcelona (just imagine what Barc will do on that front..)
edit: lol, I confused the inq and fudzilla.. (anyway fudzilla is even worse *g*)
I think 3-4%@2.6GHz under 120W. This is only logical conclusion from what Fudzilla is saying...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky
Are you sure about the inq par of your post??? (hint: Fudzilla :D ) :)
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2161022,00.asp
*"All told, Allen expects about 50 platforms to be designed using Barcelona."
*"It has great power efficiency and performance per watt,"
*"For example, the new Xeon 7300 quad-core processors will have up to 2.25 [times] performance-per-watt improvement over our current products as they bring the energy-efficient performance of the Core microarchitecture [to servers with four or more sockets]."
*David Driggers, chief technology officer of Verari Systems, a blade server vendor based in San Diego, offered a mixed review of Barcelona's performance so far. He said that while Barcelona's four cores each allow four calculations per clock cycle, offering better performance in that respect, the 2GHz clock speed is about 20 percent slower than he expected.
*Driggers is also concerned that AMD has been stingy with releasing the various Barcelona models so that his company can test the processor with a combination of different customer applications. By contrast, Driggers said he has already received five different processor models for Intel's Caneland platform.
*Driggers said, adding that he believes that since Barcelona can plug into existing dual-core sockets, the company might hold off releasing the chip for as long as possible.
This Driggers guy seems like an Intel mouthpiece to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
Please note*? He didn't say anything about Companies or the Government until I asked for links. He said and I asked about "Server enthusiasts". I didn't make a universal statement, I asked about this and only this imaginary group of enthusiasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
IT people who buy High-end don't play the role of Fan Boi for NO ONE. Many used IBM, Sun and Intel. When the K8 took the market by storm they moved to them with the quickness never seen before. All of those movies rendered by Opterons are proof. Also proof that Intel is not locking AMD out of anything=P When AMD has something, these folks will test and then adopt it as they see fit.
No, I don't own Intel stock and I speak with my wallet. I have 4 computer up and running my home. 2 are AMD and 2 are Intel based. I like all 4 of my computers, sorry to disappoint you. If Phenom kicks ass and I'll be in line to BUY one. Unlike others, I don't see myself as an AMD PR person.:ROTF:
Now, since you're in an inquiring mode, ask nn why he has nothing nice to say about Intel in 16K posts?
Before the first Conroe tests, many wondered the same thing about the Intel Bashing;) I knew it had went on here wayyyyy longer than the one year Conroe been on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Well, a lot of super computer owners are waiting for their Barcelonas, since the majority of super computers run Opteron CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky
So it's looking like we'll prolly get the a few Phenom X4s and Phenom FX-80. It should be good enough, IF Phenom performs like it's been hyped to :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xbitlabs
Wouldn't it be easier for AMD to shut up the nay-sayers and stop the bashing? They could have easily performed that task:) Sorry, I don't take Intel or AMD's word for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
sigh
proven bij objective test bureau (or whatever in english)
AMD still uses less power on the serverparts (whole systems)
link somewhere on (µ)
this is regarding dualcore,because of amd hasnt released their QC yet, they couldnt compare those
Yeah he does. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR
if this has been posted please delete
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41097
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65nm, 45nm CPUs to fit into every AM2 motherboard
By Theo Valich: Friday 20 July 2007, 15:27
ONE OF THE BIGGEST mistakes AMD management did recently was the over confident and pompous slaying of the socket 754/939 processor line-up. People didn't want to upgrade, and those that had to upgrade opted for Socket 775 and Intel Core 2 offerings.
According to our sources, AMD has understood the error of its ways and future processor sockets will be interoperable, at least in the upgrade scheme of things. Owners of Socket AM2 and AM2+ motherboards should have no problems fitting not just current and future K10 quad-core and dual-core processors known as Agena (Phenom X4 GP-7000), Kuma (Phenom X2 GS/GE-6000) and Rana (Athlon X2 BE/LS-2000), but you will also be able to fit 45nm Deneb/Propus/Regor cores from the future (H2'08) that support both DDR2 and DDR3 memory.
The processors of today will not work with motherboards that feature DDR3 supporting Socket AM3, but the other way around should work like a charm. This was done by keeping identical power requirements for the motherboard makers.
We learned that for high-performing motherboards, AMD is requiring that AM2+ motherboards support 125W processors using 95A VRM (Voltage Regulation Module capable of delivering 95 Ampers), and that requirement will not change with AM3 socket. When it comes to the ainstream, cost-effective land - motherboard makers have to provide 89W using 80 Amper current (80A). So, we have three sockets from AMD - AM2, AM2+ and AM3 being physically and electrically identical.
There is also a second version of AM2 socket intended for value segment, the DTX form factor, to be more precise, and that cannot deliver more than 65W using 45 Amper current. This one will fit both 65nm and 45nm K10 processors with low-power markings, the ones around 65W.
Even though AMD is mixing'n'matching right now, judging by the amount of e-mails we have received in the past two years - this policy might prove better than Intel's. That's keeping the same socket, but changing the VRMs to point of zero backwards compatibility. µ
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41111
So, can their keeping Barcelona Secrete help AMD? IMHO, NO!Quote:
AMD turns in $600 million loss
No shock there, then
By INQUIRER staff: Thursday 19 July 2007, 22:09
I found this article quite interesting!
It has some new technical data about Barcelona design...
:up:Quote:
L1 Cache
Each core in the Barcelona will have a dedicated 128KB, 2-way set associative L1 cache. This is twice the size of the L1 cache available to each core in the Intel Core 2 processor. The latency for the processor to retrieve data from the L1 cache is 3 clock cycles.
L2 Cache
In the Core 2 design, Intel makes use of a large L2 cache shared between two cores. AMD, however, has chosen to use a smaller, dedicated 512KB L2 cache for each processing core. That means the quad-core Opteron processor will have four separate 512KB L2 caches. These caches are 16-way set associative, and the latency for each core to retrieve data from its L2 cache is 12 clock cycles.
L3 Cache
The Barcelona features a large, shared L3 cache that is at least 2MB in size. This L3 cache will be shared by all cores, whether it's a dual-core or quad-core processor.
This cache is 32-way set associative and is based on a non-inclusive victim cache architecture. The latency for any core to retrieve data from the L3 cache is said to be less than 38 clock cycles. Oddly enough, AMD says the actual latency depends on the clock speed of the south bridge.
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It MAY be true, but I wonder if they know George Ou is a raving Intel fanboy :mad:Quote:
Important Update
George Ou of ZDNet has just alerted us to the fact that not only are these estimated results inaccurate, they are based on outdated Intel results. When the actual results are compared, the Barcelona's advantage is only 1% at 2.6 GHz. Even this advantage is only theoretical as the fastest Barcelona processors to be released initially will only run at 2.0 GHz. For more details on the latest, certified benchmark results, check out George Ou's post here.
George also points out that AMD removed the "simulated" benchmark results from their website on July 6th, and promised to post proper benchmark results of their Barcelona processor. However, we received the very same benchmark results just last week. If these results have already been officially junked by AMD, why are we still being served the same poo?
If you point out facts that make AMD not look so good, you're an Intel Fanboy? Hey, don't shoot the messagenger if you can't shoot down what he said. Otherwise, you look like an AMD Fanboy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
This is from my own perspective. I'm just a very small fish in a big sea, and I realize that. I build about 100 systems a year for friends, family and repeat customers. About one year ago, give or take a few months, I built about 90% AMD, 10% Intel systems. Over the past year, that's gone to about 95% Intel, 5% AMD. By not releasing benchmarks for Phenom X4 or X2, AMD is hurting their core business in ways that are unimaginable and they don't seem to care about stemming the tide. All I or anyone else is asking for are some numbers to stop the Intel steamroller. I love AMD and would love to support them, but how can I in good conscience tell my customers to buy AMD right now?
:ROTF: You can't because AMD isn't doin too hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
given that the average consumer doesn't overclock and the fact that you can pick up a 3600+ CPU/Mobo combo for under $110.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
AMD is vastly a better Value (for normal consumers) than Intel
Yeah AMD does win for value. Especially in the budget segment.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
90% of my customers don't care about "value" systems. The majority do video encoding and 3D animation. Budgets are usually in the 3000 to 5000 CDN range.
Those "workstations" are not the industry standard PC. Now $400 PCs are the standardsQuote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
no 400 is the ultra low end. Not standard. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
no, it's the standard. Every time I have someone wanting a computer, I say "what's your budget?"
They always follow up with $500 or $600. I just cringe at the crap heap I have to build.
The low end IS the standard, and it always has been.
Ryan
Some years I've built half as many, other years a 3rd. But absolutely the same per cent-age. There's no way in hell I'm believing folks are as dumb as some Geeks here try to pretend they are. Most 65% of these folks are on their 4 or 5th computer with another 25% 2nd or 3rd. That doesn't mean each user is an expert but they're NOT clueless either. They want a cheap price, it works so they can perform their *lite tasks and how long it will last. I replaced a lot of dead TBirds BTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
I cringe at the crap heaps that local PC builders sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by FghtinIrshNvrDi
They'll sell gamers a generic PSU with no second thought :ROTF:
They'll also sell them a computer with a 7600 GS as well. Depends on who gets to define "gamer."
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/120877/a...t-obvious.html
"Originally slated to have appeared earlier this year, the official launch will now be the second week of September."
Hey what happened to August 27 according to DailyTech? Another "bump"? Or is desktop "launching" sooner than expected?
August 27 :confused:
September was mentioned in lot of sources. And desktop won't appear on the market till New Year