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postponed the launch schedule of its next-generation Radeon HD 6000 series GPUs (Southern Islands) from the original October 12 to November, according to sources from graphics card makers.
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postponed the launch schedule of its next-generation Radeon HD 6000 series GPUs (Southern Islands) from the original October 12 to November, according to sources from graphics card makers.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100927PD228.html
already been posted bro in the other threads. :)
TSMC failing to produce sufficinet quantities again?
Again ? It was delayed once yesterday already. @.@
cue all the ati-haters "zomg ati sucks" "they cant afford" etc etc
The more HD6000 threads are posted at XS, the more it gets delayed! :rofl:
Woohoo. I can hold on to my GTX 480 for a few more days before having to keep up with the Joneses.
Lo and behold, it's the new Fermi :rofl:
Thats a big stretch. It would be hard to compete with Fermi's string of failures at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaMcO
for this to be atis fermi it would have to arrive in retail in april 2011 and be marginally faster than a gtx480...
i dont see either of the two happening :D
Yeah i know... Just felt like making a joke :P
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Originally Posted by saaya
lets not forget the infamous 'woodscrew-gate'
It was already said that the press event is still on October 12 so probably the launch is still the same. Nothing but a rumour, and since AMD didn't delay the press event it doesn't make sense to believe the launch will be delayed.
That at launch actual availability can be problematic, that is totally possible though. We should wait and see. ;)
Joneses, lol. N1.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
I also dont care if its delayed. No need for extra GPU powah ATM.
Hey we can ALWAYS use more GPU power :D
Imagine 500$ gpu that would give you playable FPS in games (Full eye candy) @ 25xx rez !!
so the unspecified release date, has been been put back a couple of unspecified weeks, to an unspecified release date. Thus making their existing cards still the most cost effective and competitive, for an unspecified amount of time.
Good thread this.
no its not delayed.
Oh yes. There's never enough GPU power if you're into eyefinity. This overclocked 5850 I've got just can't cut playable framerates in BC2 when doing 3x1 EF. I'll be grabbing a 6K card as soon as they're available.
people say delay while the don't even know the official launch date :) now how fun is that.....
No need eyefinity for that, a mere 30"screen brought my 5870 CF to it's knees with some games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
Seems to me the whole thread is just for fun since the meaningful discussion is already ongoing in the lengthy thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
lolzQuote:
Originally Posted by fellix_bg
^ Definitely funny. I know I chuckled.
The original launch date for Barts was Oct 25th. Things are going so well they bumped it up to Oct 18th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
Someone is getting confused thinking that Cayman, which should launch in mid-late Nov, is the first of the 6x00 series...
thats what i expected too. mixing up what is coming out soon with what is coming out laterQuote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Look at the bright side it gives ATI more time to work on their drives and hopefully they will have proper powerplay support. ATI would push up the schedule if Nvidia opened their can of Fermi refresh ;)
Powerplay is working fine and has been for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
^^ :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by fellix_bg
Seriously though, I heard the Cayman got delayed slightly, no word about Barts getting delayed :shrug:
Coming from someone that uses a 480 only for physics this is laughable. Even if you intended it as a joke. You must have more money than brains.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaMcO
Wasn't this already corrected?
just when i got some extra money together too...
ONLY for Physics? So what do i use for 3D then? :ROTF: It's a SINGLE 480 i have, which does both...Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelCain
NOW the joke about the brain is funny, what do you think? :up:
For single gpu cards, yeah it worked out of the box. Both the 4870x2 and 5970 took a while for it to work properly. The delay though can be a good thing is all I am saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
What delay?Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
Must run pretty badly :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaMcO
In the history of graphics cards, it's been extremely rare to see situations in which a card like 5970 could last so long without competition.
8800gtx.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper_sung
humm, no 5970 is on a diff league to 8800gtx... which I also have ....
And as things are, my guess is it will make it to 2011 without proper competition :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper_sung
wow... a full 12 month with a top of the range card... who would've known... now that's impressive
He's saying the 8800 GTX went untouched for a very long time... just like the 5970. We all know the 5970 is about 4x as powerful as an 8800 GTX. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
no, I meant time wise... its been close to a year and the 5970 is still the king of the hill "king of the mountain if you like midnight oil"
G80 was king of the hill war longer than 5970 has been. And 5970 seems to be dethroned shortly. Besides, G80 was a single chip solution. Since G80 no one has been able to produce a single chip even close to that dominance.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
G80 was released november 2006. And wasn't beat by any graphics card until early 2008 when HD3870 X2 was released. And the first chips to outperform G80 was RV770 and GT200 in mid 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
mate I am talking about stuff on a single PCB. back then having 2 gpus on a single pcb was not feasible (until 3870), so I'd say that comment does not belong...
5970 has been out 10 months now, with very poor availability the first time. Still not even close to G80.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
don't get me wrong G80 was possibly one of those things you don't see often on a market so fierce. Where innovation and excellence is the driving force, in fact I think that the GPU design has reached such a point, that I doubt we will see something take the #1 spot for as long as the G80 did.
Now back onto topic.... where's that HD6000 for the love of Hardware
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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
why facepalm?? maybe I put my message across using the incorrect words. when 5970 came out, the gap that it created between itself and other cards was bigger in comparison to what G80 achieved (speaking on comparational quantitative ratios) cards was immense. that's what I was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroimaho
BTW I have owned both cards plus a dozen more in the last 24 months, and OC'ed some of them to breaking point
G80 overclocked really good
Cypress x 2 was simply on an entirely different level of oc capability
what about the 3870x2? i cant recall what was out back in those days, but the 3870 was TINY.
i never really care about whos on top, cause perf per watt and perf per $ is what i like to look at. i guess people who buy 8800ultras also buy 2000$ 1TB SSD drives
Hmm.... I think that logic would only work if it was nVidia who had a dual GPU card on the market currently that is being b*tch slapped, dominated, and thoroughly kicked around by a SINGLE GPU card from ATi.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
The 8800gtx when it was released in 2006 was roughly 4x faster than any single GPU ATi card on the market, and most reviews went with comparing ATi's X1950 XTX in crossfire to a single 8800gtx in an attempt to make ATi look like less of a joke.
In the 3 reviews I just glanced over from 2006, none of them actually compared 2x 8800gtx in SLI with the crossfire x1950 XTX cards in an apples to apples comparison when the card was definitely capable of 2x SLI and even 3x SLI.
I guess the reviewers were perhaps experiencing some bias after the previous 6 months of parading around with their favorite ATi cards, but were stopped mid stride by big green. hehe. I guess things never change.
http://www.kalionzes.net/computers/8800gtx.jpg
Didn't it take just a few months for ATI to respond with the HD2400? which was up to par with Nvidia's G80???
**EDIT** and when I say up to par I don't mean equal, but very close to.
fail postQuote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
the HD2400 was a lowend card that was put in millions of dells in school and home computers.
you are prolly thinking of the 2900XT which really was nowere close
lol yeah fail post, that what you when when one posts straight after getting up from bed, will have to get a coffee first before I type any further
Especially after the edit didn't even correct the fail…Quote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
I LOL at myself!!!!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl:
damn that was the failsauce of the day
The 8800GTX lasted nearly 2 years.
It's close to a 4850 in performance.
Correct, G 80 will always be fondly remembered as one of the greatest GPU chip ever made, alongside R300 & its derivative R350 (if you consider R300 & R350 as the same chip with only minor improvement perhaps this is the chip that can challenge G 80 performance leading longevity in history).
Stop with your terrible logic. We compare dual slot, single PCIE cards to dual slot, single PCIE cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
I really am confused by this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
What are you trying to say, because I remember a 1950xt being a dual slot card.
Its a bit confusing the point your trying to make.
It really was kind of a weird comparison(at least if they are the only two setup in the comparison) to compare a single card to two cards combined.
Simple, one guy defines dominance as a single gpu card pwning a dual gpu setup/card. Another guy defines dominance by being on top as long as it uses 1 pci-e slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Tbh, I don't really get what Andrew_LB is replying to anyway. kuroikenshi merely said 5970 is in a league of its own.
:shrug::shrug:
EDIT: Personally, I'll just shut my mouth. No point getting bothered with this :D. It's just messing with my mind.
i guess you didn't back then... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
so, in summary, there is no hd6000 delay and the g80 kicked ass for a long time.
/thread
He's echoing the mantra of nvidia fans who love to say the 5970 cannot be compared to single GPU cards even though you can purchase it and stick it into your PCIE slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Back then the 8800GTX / Ultra was the best card to get, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
Thanks! Saved me few minutes of reading :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
Looks like 2011 will be another year with complete AMD dominance.
if only AMD could get a good driver team together and start releasing GOOD drivers..I might switch next upgrade
Looks like DigTimes changed their mind:
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no issues with amd in the last 2 years; i never understood why people complain that much about amd drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoonXX
well i guess that this is related to the fact that 60-70% of the people claiming that amd drivers suck own and nvidia card :shakes:
Half of it is fanboy nonsense, the rest is mostly Crossfire/HTPC specific. Individual game issues seem to get knocked out pretty quick. Not perfect, but neither are Nvidia drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
most drivers errors are really human errors ...Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
Maybe the rest of the world isn't as uber ati perfect as you, just because it isn't raining where you live doesn't mean its not rainy anywhere else in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
Tunnel vision is bliss... :up:
ive had issues with the installer not working so well, or xfire perf not being that awesome. but overall its no worse than nvidia issue we have with the laptops here.
mountains out of mole hills
I still want a confirmation on all of this "68xx series is the new midrange" crap.
You'd have a point if he was making claims about Ati being 100% perfect and all reports of problems were dirty lies, but that isn't what he said. The people who spam "OMG Ati drivers suck LOL" in every thread is who he was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
lets see...finicky config for multi-monitor/resolution and driver settings that don't like to stay are two of the main "fun times" I had when setting up a multi monitor config at my church. two cards (non crossfire) driving two monitors, 1 projector and two floor TVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
Setup is One monitor is dedicated, second monitor displays same as TVs and projector, TVs connected using svid- I'd love to be able to run the TVs at 1024*768 *max they support* and the projector and second monitor at 1280*1024, but I can't
lower performance in folding applications (may have changed, havn't really looked since when I was looking for my GTX 260)
and lets also not forget driver optimizations for games/TWIMTBP program-random crashes in games with new drivers; etc
let me also be clear- I have issues with nvidia drivers too, but for the uses I have...nvidia has been a better option for me
The point is clearly in the quote...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
His two years of having "no issues with amd" sounds like they have some pretty perfect drivers to me and is implying that maybe the rest of the world isn't as adept as he since they are complaining about their problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user View Post
no issues with amd in the last 2 years; i never understood why people complain that much about amd drivers...
Throw out the change logs guys, everything has been great for two years, there are no driver bugs to fix...
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Originally Posted by highoctane
lol so please tell us more about the driver problems you experienced ...
wait a couple more days for benchmarks ....Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelCain
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Originally Posted by highoctane
it only means he didnt have problems for 2 years ....
the issue one person has does not quantify the rest of the world
JD power for car reviews shows the worst cars have 200ish issues per 100 cars (first 90 days i think). and the best at 140. so a great car will see about 1.4 issues, and a really bad one sees just 2.
if there is an issue that affects many, and the internet gets an outcry, then people try to assume things just are really bad. and likewise, if someone is having trouble with a few various issues, should they assume its always going to be that way?
i just tried to connect my moms laptop to the tv, which has an nvidia card. and at 1080p the image is scaled too big, at 1680x1050 its too small. there is NO scaling option in the driver. it was forcing it to use the tvs scaling. and even if it wasnt on the tv specific one, there was no slider to make an adjustment anyway. so i tried to update drivers and it was downloading and an incredible 30 KB/s, took over 2 hours to download and i had to leave by then. ati lets you download at over 2.5MB/s
unless someone has statistics, lets drop the whos drivers are worse and by how much debate
I needed a sig.. not anymore..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
Thanks.
I'm not the one complaining about drivers first of all but if you're asking the biggest headache I've had with ATI is nerfed driver installs more times than I can count and having to resort to driver cleaners, never had that happen with nvidia. Even the 10.8's caused dxva on my 4850 to display green blocks during playback, resolved with 10.9's or 10.5's. Do other people have that problem, I have no clue but just because you don't have a problem on your end doesn't mean others don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
I have no reason to defend or attack these companies or their drivers, I've been around this stuff long enough to know it all has bugs
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Originally Posted by highoctane
Rest of the world is complaining about their driver problems. Right. :)
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Originally Posted by highoctane
i dunno how you installs your drivers .. but i let the windows thingy recognize new hardware and find it on the drivers disk .. no problem with nvidia .. nor ati ... how impossible is this :O
and btw when you update your drivers its because you need it to ... for smoother performance in games and application that you use .. and the readme's from ati or nvidia usually provide the change log in them so you can clearly see if you need to apply those drivers or not ... and i do it like that ..and no problem relating to drivers ....
It certainly is clear. He personally had no problems. If the people ranting in the forums were correct he would most certainly have had some problems. His point being: the people ranting are exaggerating.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
I wasn't looking for advice, haven't had any install issues since the 9 series drivers. I've been installing the same way I always have yet somebody somewhere fixed something since I haven't changed and it hasn't been an issue for me with the 10 series drivers, just magic I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
I forgot to mention the latest issue I'm experiencing is with Mafia2 now that I'm thinking about it, after exiting the game the desktop is dimmed way down. Simple work around is cntr+alt+dlt then esc to resolve the dimming until a patch is out for the game itself or video card driver release to fix it.
Of course by elitist logic user error certainly played a roll and that the game and drivers are perfect.
That goes both ways does it not...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
No it doesn't, but the ranting goes both ways. Ranters always exaggerate though.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
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Originally Posted by highoctane
so you never had any issues or did you????Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
i mean some human errors and some drivers errors or problem exist .. as the case with the 10.8's .. but why did you updated a stable drivers into something else ????
and as the case with the mafia II problem you mentioned ... but like i am i have stable drivers and i keep them for a long time ... and i only upgrade if i have to ... never had a problem that way .. with either nvidia or ati ... and i might have exagerated the human error part .. but alot of driver problems are really due to human errors ... installing too much might cause some registry problem causing driver problems etc... am i the only one thinking of those things ????
btw this post isnt intended to stir up something ... but get a mature opinion on that said driver problem subject
IMHO, for single VGA card system, both IHVs drivers are in the same boat, plenty stable & fast nowadays. But internet forums are filled with enthusiasts, and the prevalence of multi VGA cards system is quite high. That's exactly the spot where ATi driver still needs some catch up with its green competitor, and the source of so much grievances & critics all over the web, hence the FUD about ATi's worse driver.
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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
Read my posts, you asked about what problems "I have experienced" and thats what I've shared some real issues off the top of my head. Have I experienced driver issues of course, its in my posts, was I complaining, no, I was answering your question.
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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
What defines stable driver to you, why bother releasing new drivers at all with that mindset, if they where perfect stable why would anybody need to update drivers at all.
From an IT perspective I go with the if its not broke don't touch it approach on systems that rarely see any sort of change sw or hw but personally the only driver I do update somewhat regularly is video card driver every couple months as more of a driver roll up. With fixes constantly being released for games to hardware scaling when using an hdmi cable I prefer to just put my faith in the driver developers that they will fix more than might get broke whether I am experiencing problems at that point or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
I've got 5+ year old os installs still running fine as I'm sure others here do as well without fubar'd registries, there should be no need to worry about registry problems unless something happens during an install or the driver is the source of the corruption.
Anyways its all off topic and I don't plan on cluttering the thread anymore...
My point at the beginning was to imply even if you are not experiencing driver issues doesn't mean problems don't exist for others.
stable drivers are drivers that enable me to do the usual task that i need without glitches ... and i dont need more .. but then again im no hardcore gamer ... so i can see why people are frustrated with crossfire problems or even having issues after exiting a game ...
my system install can last more then 2 or 3 years ... my last reformat was due to a full hardware change .. and the other one due to hdd dying on me .. otherwise everything was stable .... but like i said .. i dont have higher needs as compared to gamers who want every bit of frames in the games they play .. so i might be missing out on some issues ....
of course drivers issues exist .. but i have yet to experience some screen flickering or whatever when playing the few games i play ...
no it's that i don't fail to change overscan settings like alot of whiners do when using an unknown monitor (hyundai W241D and 32" phillips flat screen over hdmi in my case); don't play crappy games (i buy 2-3 games / year); don't fail to accept that some problems might be related to something different than the driver (VPU recovery is a problem occuring with bad hardware = PSU / Cooling / VGA).Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
i also have nvidia on my notebook and never had a problem with their drivers (although everything it does is some CAD work when i'm at the university) just like on our family pc (which is my old gaming rig)
IMO all driver issues are blown out of proportion and based on something which happened a looooooong time ago (last ati cards with really crappy drivers were the 8500 series and last ati cards witth some major headaches were the x1k series and ever since they dropped support for these cards their drivers were pretty good to me (just like the NV drivers which happen to have a better UI) and i can fully recommend cards from both vendors if the price is right
Confirmed about a week ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelCain
Now the real question is... what if the original rumor of Barts, back then 67x0 now it's 68x0, really does beat the GTX480 and does 3TFlops?
why do ati specs always focus on TFlops? i'm trying to accuse you of anything LordEC, but it seems like everyone is always hyped about the TFlops.... and who has access to these TFlops?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
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Originally Posted by highoctane
Is your system is sound?
I have none of those issues & honestly how many "other" people do you think have the same one's as you. You're frustrated. But, how does this relate back to ATI and not something underlying within your system?
Or, is there an outcry within some forum (Mafia) that is calling for a ATi driver fix..?
Which?
^SecondedQuote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
I got exactly the same feeling ...
Hmm so ATI actually make drivers like Nvidia its just that ATI users dont install them properly.
So that makes ATI users morons ? :D
NARUHODO !!!!
There's an n-body simulation software for R6xx and above which gave me 1 TFLOPS out of my 4890 (peak TFLOPS of my card is somewhere above 1.2 TFLOPS). It's just a peak theoretical flops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Simple, it's just a marketing tool, except that the numbers they are telling are the truth and reachable only on softwares that really take AMD's uarch to its fullest potential. I think SETI, milkyway, and some other DC can do this. IIRC, there's a DC that brings up heat load as much as furmark. Isn't that the case with all processors?
Plus, if Barts is ~3 TFLOPS, that would mean GTX480 or close to GTX480 performance. Pretty crazy for 960 shaders.
You sure ? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by blindbox
Are we even sure about absolutely anything with regards to NI? :rolleyes::DQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Nothing apart from code names as we know it. Everything else are from leaks and 'leaks'.
Barts Pro 960, Barts XT 1280. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Barts XT should be able to reach the same TFLOPS as Cypress XT, after all the new 1280 SPs are some 98.5 % as fast as old 1600 SPs. So, if Barts XT IS a 1280 SP part with new 4D configuration.. It would need some 863 MHz core clock to match HD 5870. It would take ~940 MHz for Cypress XT to hit 3 TFLOPS, and 952 MHz for Barts XT. So, IF Barts is going to hit 3 TFLOPS, it HAS to be at least 952 MHz part. Of course, assuming that the efficiency of the new 4D system is 98.5 % compared to old 4+1D system.
Cayman.. 1920 SPs is equivalent to 2400 "old" SPs. 4 TFLOPS at 850 MHz.
Considering the fact that the real world gaming performance doesn't scale linearly with TFLOPS, the gains aren't as great.
I wonder what AMD would have to do on the SAME available process node to be considered great?Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
Ohh I know how about renaming 5870 to 6800GTX? :shakes:
Seriously in my opinion if the shaders have been rebuilt then its already a indicator that they are trying opposite to Nvidia "dominance & re-branding days". :shrug: