Skulltrail @ 4.8Ghz

An image for the drool factor. Enjoy.

How is this news? Its Xtreme.

http://fugger.netfirms.com/6.jpg

Its not extreme... it is Xtreme!!!!

Thats just.... :eek: :eek:

:shocked: :slobber:

Realy incredible performance!
OS is Vista X64 I think.

Watch out for Movieman He's gonna be in heaven :D

:shocked:
the cops are gonna pull u over for speeding, that is too fast!

Nice! :up: :yepp:

What cooling was used? How about some photos of the rig, must look pretty beefy.

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Watch out for Movieman He's gonna be in heaven :D

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No, in shock.

Charles: I know you realise this but you just beat my clovers best score in Cinebench by over 12,300 points!:rofl:

Holy Mother Of God!:bows:

Yes, as said above: What cooling?
You tell me air and my heart will stop!:shocked:

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Originally Posted by Movieman

No, in shock.

Charles: I know you realise this but you just beat my clovers best score in Cinebench by over 12,300 points!:rofl:

Holy Mother Of God!:bows:

Yes, as said above: What cooling?
You tell me air and my heart will stop!:shocked:

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lawl :rofl: :ROTF:

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Watch out for Movieman He's gonna be in heaven :D

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No, actually he's changing his pants :D

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No, actually he's changing his pants :D

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No, booking a flight to Vegas to steal it!:rofl:

PWNAGE! Thats just great!

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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide

PWNAGE! Thats just great!

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It's also the WR in Cinebench by SO much it's not even funny!
Maybe a good 10,000 points over any other known machine.

38.5GHz Xtreme mofo!

the X7DWA-N, 2x E5450, 16GB FB-DIMM, i was about to order.. canceled!

one Q though.. when?

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Originally Posted by Movieman

It's also the WR in Cinebench by SO much it's not even funny!
Maybe a good 10,000 points over any other known machine.

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Well somebody make him give us more information. Like cooling. Wonder is that vcore accurate in teh CPUZ? Will higher bus speed help us in Cinebench? SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING! CALL HIM or something.!:)

Charles: People are dying to know what options are in the bios.
Any chance of some screenies?
Pics of the systern would be nice also :up:

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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide

Well somebody make him give us more information. Like cooling. Wonder is that vcore accurate in teh CPUZ? Will higher bus speed help us in Cinebench? SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING! CALL HIM or something.!:)

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CPUz is wrong..Sees that as a Yorkfield and it's a Harpertown
Also Vcore has to be reading low for that speed from what I've seen on Yorkies.
I'm also curious as to what the DDR2-800FBDimms will do before they crap out.
Charles: Any chance of a run with the 10 multi and see if the memory will hit 450ish?

Gahhh what a tease! Damn, if cpu-z is reading that voltage correctly.... VERY VERY nice! Good job.

Holy Saint Cows!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

ok, it's 5:45Pm in Vegas. We'll let the man eat supper with his Mrs. in peace.
Then I will start calling him every 10 mins!:rofl:

LOL CPU-Z vcore is off by a huge margin unless this is a set of god chips amongst god chips. I would like to know the cooling used for this, if you tell me air I very well may join Dave in the requiring of a spare set of shorts :yepp:

Argh what cooling did you use! Im dying to know!

Sorry, the image is all I can share at this time. :D

sweet :up:

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ok, it's 5:45Pm in Vegas. We'll let the man eat supper with his Mrs. in peace.
Then I will start calling him every 10 mins!:rofl:

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hehe... :ROTF:

ps. no edit this time :yepp:

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

Sorry, the image is all I can share at this time. :D

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bah lier :(

:shock2:

I need to start buying more pants :eek2:

spending 3000 dollars on a pair of chips that will have zero resale value and will be outclassed by nehalem in just a year or so seems like a wise decision.

nonetheless, impressive.

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Sorry, the image is all I can share at this time. :D

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:slapass:

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spending 3000 dollars on a pair of chips that will have zero resale value and will be outclassed by nehalem in just a year or so seems like a wise decision.

nonetheless, impressive.

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That is the world we live in so get used to it.
Gone are the days of having the "top" machine for 2-3 years while the companies rolled out the next lineup.
Today you get a year maybe, and this is the price you pay if you want to be at the top.
There are always cheaper,lesser machinery available but if you think that way of what is coming you will never get the best as you'll be too busy thinking of what will be coming out..
Is there an answer? Yes, your attitude, desires and financial abilty dictate what you do.
For me it's buy the best, then skip a generatrion, then buy the best again.
Always at or near the top and in the interim year I've still got a great system.

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ok, it's 5:45Pm in Vegas. We'll let the man eat supper with his Mrs. in peace.
Then I will start calling him every 10 mins!:rofl:

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Don't make Fugger have to put you in "Time-out". :ROTF: :ROTF:

pretty please?

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Don't make Fugger have to put you in "Time-out". :ROTF: :ROTF:

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Yea, Tachy..Global ignore..:rofl:

Astounding! Intel is trying to redefine Moore’s law.:shocked:

dude, thats freaken awesome. please when you get the free time, please let us know what you used for cooling. and more pics.

:slobber: :shock2:

Let's start passing the chips around. Then before Dave gets it I will be on a flight to a non-extradition country.

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That is the world we live in so get used to it.
Gone are the days of having the "top" machine for 2-3 years while the companies rolled out the next lineup.
Today you get a year maybe, and this is the price you pay if you want to be at the top.
There are always cheaper,lesser machinery available but if you think that way of what is coming you will never get the best as you'll be too busy thinking of what will be coming out..
Is there an answer? Yes, your attitude, desires and financial abilty dictate what you do.
For me it's buy the best, then skip a generatrion, then buy the best again.
Always at or near the top and in the interim year I've still got a great system.

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Dave be nice to him... he's a friend of mine at Anandtech...
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LOL... and yeah... it seems like i was ready to pull the gun on skulltrail, but neph is coming out soon, so im debating if i really need this machine....


And your SAMMY wasnt the skipping a generation. :P Man i wanted your sammy.

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Originally Posted by Movieman

:slapass:

That is the world we live in so get used to it.
Gone are the days of having the "top" machine for 2-3 years while the companies rolled out the next lineup.
Today you get a year maybe, and this is the price you pay if you want to be at the top.
There are always cheaper,lesser machinery available but if you think that way of what is coming you will never get the best as you'll be too busy thinking of what will be coming out..
Is there an answer? Yes, your attitude, desires and financial abilty dictate what you do.
For me it's buy the best, then skip a generatrion, then buy the best again.
Always at or near the top and in the interim year I've still got a great system.

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Yepp. No point in sitting around waiting for the next best thing all the time.

Except, it actually makes sense to wait for once now :yepp: NVIDIA D9E and yet to be released Yorkfield! :shocked:

Hold on.. Fugger is from Vegas!?!?! I'm in Vegas too!

Can someone just sneak into FUGGERs house take few pictures and then run so that he wouldn't catch you? Then post it somewhere and show the screenies to us :p:

Amazing score.

FUGGER will have his shotgun handy. Better let Dave handle it. ;)

Wait why does it say Socket 775? I thought Skulltrail and QX9775 were Socket 771? CPU-Z misreading?

Its not here, I have nothing, I deny everything.

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Wait why does it say Socket 775? I thought Skulltrail and QX9775 were Socket 771? CPU-Z misreading?

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Yup, socket 771 and cpuz is wrong..

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Its not here, I have nothing, I deny everything.

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Yea, and I'll be 23 my next birthday and look like Brad Pitt!:ROTF:

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Yea, and I'll be 23 my next birthday and look like Brad Pitt!:ROTF:

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wasnt that 40 years ago? :rofl: :rofl:

news: Movieman Goes 4p

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Its not here, I have nothing, I deny everything.

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Damn. I already looked you up in yellow pages by last name fugger:p: Was planning to come over with little arsenal. I know you would not give those out without a fight. I'm in salt lake right now so about 8hr drive and im there. But since you denied everything.....

Anyway great performance there, cant wait to see some 3d marks with TRI SLI or maybe QuadFire:up:

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Originally Posted by Movieman

:slapass:

That is the world we live in so get used to it.
Gone are the days of having the "top" machine for 2-3 years while the companies rolled out the next lineup.
Today you get a year maybe, and this is the price you pay if you want to be at the top.
There are always cheaper,lesser machinery available but if you think that way of what is coming you will never get the best as you'll be too busy thinking of what will be coming out..
Is there an answer? Yes, your attitude, desires and financial abilty dictate what you do.
For me it's buy the best, then skip a generatrion, then buy the best again.
Always at or near the top and in the interim year I've still got a great system.

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Movieman you missed my point my friend. Skulltrail is not the top, its something beyond the top, which will only be available in limited quantity, because fortunately there are only a handful of people stupid enough to buy it. Its one of those elite things that you will pay twice as much as it should cost, and will lose value much faster than anything else. So my point is that its not the top, its something in its own class, the class of retards with way too much money and way too little brains. Dont take any offense in this, I know you can get a bit defensive about skulltrail (you and your multicore... you should see a psychiatrist), but just pause and think about it. I have no problem with people buying QX chips, or spending 800 dollars on a kit of ram, or buying 2x the latest and greatest video cards, and so on. Those things always have resale value, and dont become expensive paperweights. But Skulltrail is one of those things that will cost you boats of money, and will end up in the gutter just like Quad FX.

@ Naekuh, thanks for the nice words aigo (im guessing its you...)

Everyone is ending up in the gutter for the next generation ;)

Nehalem is using a new socket all across the board, so everyone who wants one will probably buy new components ;)

But was that 4.8 Ghz on each core using normal cooling methods (ie, consumer heatsinks, water blocks or basic phase change) and not some esoteric short term LN2/Dry Ice/Cascade contraption ?

I'm just waiting.... waiting.... can't find it in stock...

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c'mon!!!! You can't even say if you are using air or water? That's breaking the NDA?

The price tag alone for even stock Skulltrail parts will assure I'll never build one. But I'm not complaining. To the contrary, I'm truly at awe.

Congradulations go to those talented engineers at Intel for setting the bar even higher in the semi-conductor industry. And congratulations to those enthusiasts that can afford to soon build such a great piece of technology. Go Intel! :clap:

Amazing teaser Fugger

Truly worthy of the name "XtremeSystems"

Screw the NDA! Now lets see more photos & benchies!

Fugger i dont think you have to justify posting this in Xtreme news section its your site lol

I think it falls under the category of FUGGERs Xtreme News so I think it applies in this situation. :)

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But was that 4.8 Ghz on each core using normal cooling methods (ie, consumer heatsinks, water blocks or basic phase change) and not some esoteric short term LN2/Dry Ice/Cascade contraption ?

I'm just waiting.... waiting.... can't find it in stock...

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I'm thinking water cooled. A while ago, it was shone off @ 5.0ghz with dual phase units...

edit: Think I need to add a bit to my reasoning :p:

There's been lots and lots of Wolfdales and such being showed off @ 4ghz+ on air, and given the time they've had to tweak SkullTrail since the 5.0ghz demo, I'm sure they've been able to have it reach 4.8ghz on water. Probably not something to be ran 24/7 though :up:

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Sorry, the image is all I can share at this time. :D

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THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE :shakes: :down: :p:

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An image for the drool factor. Enjoy.

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Yeah, that bike is awesome! :p:

God bless the xtreme who don't pay attention to resale value and keep this place very entertaining. :up:

:clap: :eek2:

great job.

is this air cooling??? or water??

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

Sorry, the image is all I can share at this time. :D

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fine, 4.8 = bullocks anyway

waiting on 5.0 - 40GHz

:)

Ive figured out the cooling... Fugger's Freezer and it was loaded with LN2 and a dozen Delta Fans @ 8cfm each :D

this board looks nice, but how about some pics with higher FSB, 400 FSB is standard fair. Awesome clock though on that xtremechip, if only i could bother myself to spend the cash on a unlocked beast

lucky bastard!

Impressive worth of CPU performance there and 4.8GHz omg. Too bad it carries pricetag of its own but I expect to see some hefty 3DMark06 score later. :D

Charles why isn't it running WCG yet? :)

Nice score :toast:

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Movieman you missed my point my friend. Skulltrail is not the top, its something beyond the top, which will only be available in limited quantity, because fortunately there are only a handful of people stupid enough to buy it. Its one of those elite things that you will pay twice as much as it should cost, and will lose value much faster than anything else. So my point is that its not the top, its something in its own class, the class of retards with way too much money and way too little brains. Dont take any offense in this, I know you can get a bit defensive about skulltrail (you and your multicore... you should see a psychiatrist), but just pause and think about it. I have no problem with people buying QX chips, or spending 800 dollars on a kit of ram, or buying 2x the latest and greatest video cards, and so on. Those things always have resale value, and dont become expensive paperweights. But Skulltrail is one of those things that will cost you boats of money, and will end up in the gutter just like Quad FX.

@ Naekuh, thanks for the nice words aigo (im guessing its you...)

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I think your missing the point in that not everyone cares about price / performance, i may be taking a stab at your name being 87 the year your born, and thus you being 20 you might not understand that some people are in an economic bracket, where performance is the most important thing, that the satisfaction of having the fastest rig is the reward in itself... Granted thats a smaller segment of the community, but i dont see how one has a right to tell people how to spend their money, or what they should enjoy... people dont buy bugatti's for resale value.

Qft.

JAG87 needs to think out of the box.

how about some images of R680/D9E benches on skulltrail, please

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I think your missing the point in that not everyone cares about price / performance, i may be taking a stab at your name being 87 the year your born, and thus you being 20 you might not understand that some people are in an economic bracket, where performance is the most important thing, that the satisfaction of having the fastest rig is the reward in itself... Granted thats a smaller segment of the community, but i dont see how one has a right to tell people how to spend their money, or what they should enjoy... people dont buy bugatti's for resale value.

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yes, but when you buy a bugatti you will have the fastest car for a long, long time. when you buy skulltrail , you will have the fastest machine for about 12 months, for an absurd price.

skulltrail is nothing more than a proof of concept design. I wouldn't want to be the person who looks at his chassis in Q4 2008 and thinks "I cant believe I spent 3000 dollars on a pair of cpus that nobody would even dream of wanting right now, and omg, nehalem is faster, overclocks more, and uses less power". I think that feeling completely cancels out the "zomg I have the fastest machine ever" feeling when you just buy skulltrail. maybe thats just me, but I work hard for my money.

and please buddy, dont compare cars to computers. we're at the pinnacle of development with the mechanics in cars, when you buy a bugatti you will have the fastest car until you die perhaps. unless all of sudden they make it legal to strap a jet engine at the back of a car. technology is not like that, I dont need to tell you that. so if it makes people happy to own the best for such a very short time while spending a :banana::banana::banana::banana: load of cash, then so be it. Im not the one to tell you how to spend your money, but I do have the right to state my opinion on the product, and thats all I am doing.

PS. good guess on the age :up:

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Charles why isn't it running WCG yet? :)

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yes, but when you buy a bugatti you will have the fastest car for a long, long time. when you buy skulltrail , you will have the fastest machine for about 12 months, for an absurd price.

skulltrail is nothing more than a proof of concept design. I wouldn't want to be the person who looks at his chassis in Q4 2008 and thinks "I cant believe I spent 3000 dollars on a pair of cpus that nobody would even dream of wanting right now, and omg, nehalem is faster, overclocks more, and uses less power". I think that feeling completely cancels out the "zomg I have the fastest machine ever" feeling when you just buy skulltrail. maybe thats just me, but I work hard for my money.

and please buddy, dont compare cars to computers. we're at the pinnacle of development with the mechanics in cars, when you buy a bugatti you will have the fastest car until you die perhaps. unless all of sudden they make it legal to strap a jet engine at the back of a car. technology is not like that, I dont need to tell you that. so if it makes people happy to own the best for such a very short time while spending a :banana::banana::banana::banana: load of cash, then so be it. Im not the one to tell you how to spend your money, but I do have the right to state my opinion on the product, and thats all I am doing.

PS. good guess on the age :up:

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but what if you are setting world records with your rig, what comes of it then, is it still just a pile of junk in a year? Its all for the records in his mind, you just dont see it the same way, plus charles is sponsored so it doesnt matter anyway, I bet he gets most of the crap just handed to him to test out for Intel, ect.

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but what if you are setting world records with your rig, what comes of it then, is it still just a pile of junk in a year? Its all for the records in his mind, you just dont see it the same way, plus charles is sponsored so it doesnt matter anyway, I bet he gets most of the crap just handed to him to test out for Intel, ect.

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I am not talking to charles or any other overclocker that does this for records... My argument is directed to the average XS forum user that comes to XS to learn how to get the best possible machine for his money. because after all thats what 99% of the users are here for.

Correct me if I am out of line anywhere.

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yes, but when you buy a Bugatti you will have the fastest car for a long, long time. when you buy skulltrail , you will have the fastest machine for about 12 months, for an absurd price.

skulltrail is nothing more than a proof of concept design. I wouldn't want to be the person who looks at his chassis in Q4 2008 and thinks "I cant believe I spent 3000 dollars on a pair of cpus that nobody would even dream of wanting right now, and omg, nehalem is faster, overclocks more, and uses less power". I think that feeling completely cancels out the "zomg I have the fastest machine ever" feeling when you just buy skulltrail. maybe thats just me, but I work hard for my money.

and please buddy, dont compare cars to computers. we're at the pinnacle of development with the mechanics in cars, when you buy a bugatti you will have the fastest car until you die perhaps. unless all of sudden they make it legal to strap a jet engine at the back of a car. technology is not like that, I dont need to tell you that. so if it makes people happy to own the best for such a very short time while spending a :banana::banana::banana::banana: load of cash, then so be it. Im not the one to tell you how to spend your money, but I do have the right to state my opinion on the product, and thats all I am doing.

PS. good guess on the age :up:

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Sorry to say this but your wrong on many points.
Buy that Bugatti today and in under 2 years something will be faster.
Same as PC's my friend.
One has to make the decision at what level he wants to play.
Yes, you get a year at the top and thats the price of admission.
If you don't want to play at that level you simply don't buy the top and settle for something lesser.
Now you say: " I wouldn't want to be the person who looks at his chassis in Q4 2008 and thinks "I cant believe I spent 3000 dollars on a pair of cpus that nobody would even dream of wanting right now, and omg, nehalem is faster, overclocks more, and uses less power".
I could say that same thing right now comparing this SkullTrail rig to my Clovertown setup but that is evolution and I accept it.
It doesn't make my rig useless, it just means that there is something faster out there. My system does just as much today as it did yesterday so there is no feeling of OMG, I have to toss this in the barrel..
See what I mean?
Someone buys this ST system today and they will get more than a year out of it. Much more.

I raced cars for years..Drags and SCCA
Would have loved to play at the top with the big boys in F1 but outside of my financial ability( and personal talents)
We all find that area that we're comfortable at and thats where we "play"

Now back to our regularly scheduled "Fugger Watch" hoping he shows some more on this beast!:D

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yes, but when you buy a bugatti you will have the fastest car for a long, long time. when you buy skulltrail , you will have the fastest machine for about 12 months, for an absurd price.

skulltrail is nothing more than a proof of concept design. I wouldn't want to be the person who looks at his chassis in Q4 2008 and thinks "I cant believe I spent 3000 dollars on a pair of cpus that nobody would even dream of wanting right now, and omg, nehalem is faster, overclocks more, and uses less power". I think that feeling completely cancels out the "zomg I have the fastest machine ever" feeling when you just buy skulltrail. maybe thats just me, but I work hard for my money.

and please buddy, dont compare cars to computers. we're at the pinnacle of development with the mechanics in cars, when you buy a bugatti you will have the fastest car until you die perhaps. unless all of sudden they make it legal to strap a jet engine at the back of a car. technology is not like that, I dont need to tell you that. so if it makes people happy to own the best for such a very short time while spending a :banana::banana::banana::banana: load of cash, then so be it. Im not the one to tell you how to spend your money, but I do have the right to state my opinion on the product, and thats all I am doing.

PS. good guess on the age :up:

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Unfortunately when you pay 1.3 million for a Bugatti Veyron that doesn't give you the fastest car for more than 23 months. As the current fastest production car in the world is the SCC Ulimate Aero TT produced by Shelby Super Cars. And it only costs 600,000.
Only about HALF that of the Veyron.

Just like what villa1n said, as with people with Bugatti's and Skulltrails, these people are in a different financial bracket. Absolute performance is their goal and price doesn't deter them. There is absolutely no reason to say it's stupid when people are striving for this, it can be very stupid when people are looking for a price/performance cpu and they pick out a QX chip though. Don't get the two situations confused and show some respect to those who have different priorities and goals.

Edit: Movieman beat me by couple minutes =P

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Not many of the regulars, I'd say. I couldn't even dream of affording something like Skulltrail, so I come here to see it in action, so to speak.

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Not many of the regulars, I'd say. I couldn't even dream of affording something like Skulltrail, so I come here to see it in action, so to speak.

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Well said. I'm in that group also.
BUT I come to see what can be, what is ther top and I can sit back and enjoy Fugger's tweaking this beast almost as if it was here.
Yea, a little "Walter Mitty" if you will but it's true.
( Now sits back and laughs as not 5% of this forum is old enough to know that term):rofl:

I just like to see what will be available to the average Joe, myself included, in about two years. If it's top of the line now, it will be a bargain in about 2 years.

A Bugatti Veyron doesnt depreciate in value though. So a false analogy.

Also, the Bugatti Veyron is in a different weight class to the SCC Ultimate Aero TT, so another reason why the analogy doesnt stand. The Bugatti Veyron is far more comfortable due to extra electronic crap it has.

http://www.supercars.net/Comp?source...List=3621-3190

We come to XS to read about the most Xtreme hardware available. A few can actually afford to go out and assemble a rig with best-in-class components. The rest just like to see what amazing hardware is capable of in the hands of capable and experianced overclockers like Charles, Vince (K|ngp|n), George (HiPro), and Eric (OPPAINTER). So when we get it down the line when it's not so gee-wiz-brand-new we know how to properly set it up for whatever our passion is...gaming...crunching...or benching.

I have met some of these folks (Charles, Vince, Eric, Shamino, etc) and and really appreciate that they are willing to share the secrets of their discoveries with hardware they get first. Yes most of them are sponsored so they get the privilege of playing with this amazing hardware without much financial outlay. We shouldn't bust them for this. They have more than earned this status.

Will most of us ever go out and do the things they do to their rigs? NO. But, if it weren't for people like Charles and Vince setting WR's with their rigs we wouldn't have any inspiration to do what we do with our own machines. I am proud to be among my "family"...this band of dedicated and passionate overclockers.

*steps off soap box and turns off the microphone*

Well said, Philly_Boy.

I keep hearing people referring to Skulltrail as a "proof of concept" board. That term has specific meanings, depending on whether you're talking about computer security or business. This is how it is defined in Wikipedia:

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Proof of concept is a short and/or incomplete realization (or synopsis) of a certain method or idea(s) to demonstrate its feasibility, or a demonstration in principle, whose purpose is to verify that some concept or theory is probably capable of exploitation in a useful manner. A related (somehow synonym) term is "proof of principle".

The proof of concept is usually considered a milestone on the way of (sic) a fully functioning prototype.

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Skulltrail is neither a proof of concept or a prototype. It's a finished product that will soon be available for sale.

So Skulltrail REQUIRES desktop processors that are LGA771 socket? Meaning I can't use Xeon LGA771s.
Bummer. What's the LGA771 desktop lineup? Is it just the QX9x50s?

Did you earn your money? Yes? Then you have the right to spend it on whatever the hell you want :up: I would look at a Bugatti as a complete waste of money, money better spent on beer :yepp:

OMG FUGGER! That is insane. We need more..

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Sorry to say this but your wrong on many points.
Buy that Bugatti today and in under 2 years something will be faster.
Same as PC's my friend.
One has to make the decision at what level he wants to play.
Yes, you get a year at the top and thats the price of admission.
If you don't want to play at that level you simply don't buy the top and settle for something lesser.
Now you say: " I wouldn't want to be the person who looks at his chassis in Q4 2008 and thinks "I cant believe I spent 3000 dollars on a pair of cpus that nobody would even dream of wanting right now, and omg, nehalem is faster, overclocks more, and uses less power".
I could say that same thing right now comparing this SkullTrail rig to my Clovertown setup but that is evolution and I accept it.
It doesn't make my rig useless, it just means that there is something faster out there. My system does just as much today as it did yesterday so there is no feeling of OMG, I have to toss this in the barrel..
See what I mean?
Someone buys this ST system today and they will get more than a year out of it. Much more.

I raced cars for years..Drags and SCCA
Would have loved to play at the top with the big boys in F1 but outside of my financial ability( and personal talents)
We all find that area that we're comfortable at and thats where we "play"

Now back to our regularly scheduled "Fugger Watch" hoping he shows some more on this beast!:D

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let me break down your argument in two seconds:

Q: why would someone buy skulltrail?
A: to have the fastest machine on earth

I quote you:

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I could say that same thing right now comparing this SkullTrail rig to my Clovertown setup but that is evolution and I accept it.
It doesn't make my rig useless, it just means that there is something faster out there. My system does just as much today as it did yesterday so there is no feeling of OMG, I have to toss this in the barrel..

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do you see the inconsistency?

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Unfortunately when you pay 1.3 million for a Bugatti Veyron that doesn't give you the fastest car for more than 23 months. As the current fastest production car in the world is the SCC Ulimate Aero TT produced by Shelby Super Cars. And it only costs 600,000.
Only about HALF that of the Veyron.

Just like what villa1n said, as with people with Bugatti's and Skulltrails, these people are in a different financial bracket. Absolute performance is their goal and price doesn't deter them. There is absolutely no reason to say it's stupid when people are striving for this, it can be very stupid when people are looking for a price/performance cpu and they pick out a QX chip though. Don't get the two situations confused and show some respect to those who have different priorities and goals.

Edit: Movieman beat me by couple minutes =P

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we started talking about the bugatti because a person brought it up, but its completely out of the context. we shouldn't even be comparing cars to computers. people pay thousands of dollars for a 1965 camaro, how come I dont see people paying thousands of dollars for a commodore 64. And what are these accusations of me not showing respect?

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Not many of the regulars, I'd say. I couldn't even dream of affording something like Skulltrail, so I come here to see it in action, so to speak.

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thats perfectly fine, nothing wrong with that.

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A Bugatti Veyron doesnt depreciate in value though. So a false analogy.

Also, the Bugatti Veyron is in a different weight class to the SCC Ultimate Aero TT, so another reason why the analogy doesnt stand. The Bugatti Veyron is far more comfortable due to extra electronic crap it has.

http://www.supercars.net/Comp?source...List=3621-3190

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exactly, which is why the two shouldn't be compared.

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We come to XS to read about the most Xtreme hardware available. A few can actually afford to go out and assemble a rig with best-in-class components. The rest just like to see what amazing hardware is capable of in the hands of capable and experianced overclockers like Charles, Vince (K|ngp|n), George (HiPro), and Eric (OPPAINTER). So when we get it down the line when it's not so gee-wiz-brand-new we know how to properly set it up for whatever our passion is...gaming...crunching...or benching.

I have met some of these folks (Charles, Vince, Eric, Shamino, etc) and and really appreciate that they are willing to share the secrets of their discoveries with hardware they get first. Yes most of them are sponsored so they get the privilege of playing with this amazing hardware without much financial outlay. We shouldn't bust them for this. They have more than earned this status.

Will most of us ever go out and do the things they do to their rigs? NO. But, if it weren't for people like Charles and Vince setting WR's with their rigs we wouldn't have any inspiration to do what we do with our own machines. I am proud to be among my "family"...this band of dedicated and passionate overclockers.

*steps off soap box and turns off the microphone*

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like I already said, there is nothing wrong with that, I agree it's nice that these people get to play with this hardware and show us the possibilities, I am simply stating my opinion that people should not get too excited about something that will never penetrate into the market.

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Well said, Philly_Boy.

I keep hearing people referring to Skulltrail as a "proof of concept" board. That term has specific meanings, depending on whether you're talking about computer security or business. This is how it is defined in Wikipedia:



Skulltrail is neither a proof of concept or a prototype. It's a finished product that will soon be available for sale.

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There is only going to be hundreds or maybe a thousand boards produced. Thats not even a limited edition retail product, thats closer to a prototype if you ask me.






Ok, wow that was the longest multi quote post ever. I just want to say, chill out guys, dont get so defensive about this. I am merely stating my opinion on what the future outlook of this platform is, and my opinion on the investment in such a platform. In no way am I against charles or anybody else showing this stuff off. After all, if this stuff isn't shown off on XS, where else? :up:

Very nice !

5 big rants about skulltrail sounds like you just hate it. Is it because it blows your rig away ? Just my guess, given your age. When you look close, your logic is flawed.

There are tons of stuff with "terrible" value that people buy because they CAN and WANT. To rich people, the satisfaction means alot more than just money. What are they suppose to do ? Save eternally ?

If you dont like extreme stuff, that costs an arm and a leg, your should think about going back to AnandTech. Earlier you said that people come here looking for the best bang for their buck. Wrong....This is XTREME SYSTEMS.

That's very nice going Fugger :up:

Any idea on release date yet and how many they are making.?

Looks really impressive Charles.

Keep pushing it.

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let me break down your argument in two seconds:

Q: why would someone buy skulltrail?
A: to have the fastest machine on earth

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Why would I buy it, if I had the funds to do so:
1) I like dual socket machines and this is really the first dualie with all the options in BIOS to get the most out of the cpu's.
I also generally find that dual socket boards are built better( more stable) than single sockets.
2) I do DC work, aids, cancer, etc..
The "faster" the machine the more work it can do and hopefully shorten the time until the cures are found for these diseases to give my kids and yours to come a better healthier life.
3) And last: Still a little kid in me that has some fun with a few of the benchmarks.:D
I've spent maybe 12-20 hours in the past year running benches, mostly Cinebench and wPrime. The rest of the time the machines work at 100% load 24/7 doing research.

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Why would I buy it, if I had the funds to do so:
1) I like dual socket machines and this is really the first dualie with all the options in BIOS to get the most out of the cpu's.
I also generally find that dual socket boards are built better( more stable) than single sockets.
2) I do DC work, aids, cancer, etc..
The "faster" the machine the more work it can do and hopefully shorten the time until the cures are found for these diseases to give my kids and yours to come a better healthier life.
3) And last: Still a little kid in me that has some fun with a few of the benchmarks.:D
I've spent maybe 12-20 hours in the past year running benches, mostly Cinebench and wPrime. The rest of the time the machines work at 100% load 24/7 doing research.

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I have nothing to say against that, except that you are excluded from the group of average enthusiasts. You strive to find multi core, and this is one of the only platforms out today that gives you 8 cores, together with a clovertown platform, which you already have. And I am sure you can testify that a clovertown platform, when you add it up, isn't much cheaper than skulltrail after all. well maybe the cpus might be a bit cheaper, but thats all.

but lets be honest. take a sample of 100 enthusiasts on XS. how many people have a clovertown system, and how many people have a heavily OCed E6850 or Q6600... the whole point of my argument was market penetration and value for your money, and you as well as other people, misinterpreted this from the very begging. read my first post one more time movieman.

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5 big rants about skulltrail sounds like you just hate it. Is it because it blows your rig away ? Just my guess, given your age. When you look close, your logic is flawed.

There are tons of stuff with "terrible" value that people buy because they CAN and WANT. To rich people, the satisfaction means alot more than just money. What are they suppose to do ? Save eternally ?

If you dont like extreme stuff, that costs an arm and a leg, your should think about going back to AnandTech. Earlier you said that people come here looking for the best bang for their buck. Wrong....This is XTREME SYSTEMS.

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you couldn't be more wrong my friend. I have started the same kind of discussions against FANS8 or QuadFX, whatever you want to call it, when it clearly doesn't outperform my system.

I agree with you that there are tons of stuff with terrible value that people buy, and all I am doing is pointing out that this is one of them. Thats all, no need to get defensive.

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lThere is only going to be hundreds or maybe a thousand boards produced. Thats not even a limited edition retail product, thats closer to a prototype if you ask me.

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You're trying to cover up the fact that you used the wrong term. Proof of concept, a prototype and a finished product are three different things. And the only one who's being defensive here is you.

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I have nothing to say against that, except that you are excluded from the group of average enthusiasts. You strive to find multi core, and this is one of the only platforms out today that gives you 8 cores, together with a clovertown platform, which you already have. And I am sure you can testify that a clovertown platform, when you add it up, isn't much cheaper than skulltrail after all. well maybe the cpus might be a bit cheaper, but thats all.

but lets be honest. take a sample of 100 enthusiasts on XS. how many people have a clovertown system, and how many people have a heavily OCed E6850 or Q6600... the whole point of my argument was market penetration and value for your money, and you as well as other people, misinterpreted this from the very begging. read my first post one more time movieman.
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I'd guess a complete Skulltrail system( board, top cpu's and 4x2 gig DDR2-800FBDimms) would cost app $4000.00
Definitely not for the average guy.
At Xs there are many interests.
Guys that are into top vid cards and modding them for pure graphics performance.
Guys that strictly do things like Super Pi
Guys like me that do DC work.
All different and room for all of us.
Whether this machine is cost efficient or even useful outside of a limited area isn't the point.
The issue is that it is something new with more capabilities than the previous dual socket boards and with those capabilities allows a dualie to really come into it's own.
This is why all the interest and you might be surprised at just how many people are actually thinking of getting one.
You should see my PM box with all the questions..
Oh, I'm cheap, and poor, built 2 clover systems for the cost of this one with the aid of a gentleman who also is into DC work.

There is room for all of us so rather than coming into a thread with negative remarks maybe sit back and just enjoy someone else's accomplishment and if it doesn't quite seem to be something your interested it, flip to another thread where your interests are..
Thanks for reading..

Im just trying to point out that from the cost/gaming performance POV, It has bad value, but from the satisfaction/cost POV, to the enthusiasts with alot of cash to spare, it has great value. An dual socket mobo with OC options :D

Forget the rest, when will this really ship for sure?:-)
Also curious about running Xeons instead of desktop LGA771 - I presume the prefether tactic is the only difference, and for most the desktop version would work better, but prolly both would work?

ok. jag, lets make it simple. for some of us 3000$ is not a lot of money. relative to our income, paying that much for the best performance in the world currently, is a very worth while expenditure. the car analogy was a quick metaphor, not a in depth thought out philosophical arguement, as the arguement is quite simple... price performance is relative. plain and simple.

I do remember when a 5950 Ultra, BH-5, a DFI Infinity and a 3200+ was around 500 dollars. Back then I had the best of the best. Now it's nearing 10k a machine. Bring back the days when a normal person could afford the best and clock it blind...

Most people hardly use 10% of the power in their cars on the road daily? Why then would anybody need to buy a powerful car? For satisfaction. For happiness. Its a reward for hard work.

People will want the Skulltrail and will buy it. If everything excessive is such a waste of money, there wouldn't be any Ferrari dealerships around.

Heck. I bought an IBM PS/2 80 i80386 machine when I finished college in the early/mid 80s. It cost me $9,000 without monitor or keyboard. I also bought a $4,000 laser printer that was marketed by Apple.

In the mid-90s, I bought a Voodoo2 SLI system for $630 and it couldn't even output 2D. So, I rushed out and bought a Matrox G200 AGP video card with a staggering 16 MB of ram on board. The video subsystem alone cost close to $900. I also remember the Pentium 2 cpu for $1,100.

Well I just got in from work/after work party. All I can say is damn good job Fugger!!!!! You make up proud!

next I know you can't show us too much more but can you sneak a few answers if possible

1. is skulltrail designed to oc with other xeon chips, like the 5440 and 5430's? with fsb options or other potions that don't require multiplier increasing ( as those chips are locked it appears ).

I am asking this since skulltrail may be a possible option to build workstation machines, not just xtreme beasts.

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Well I just got in from work/after work party. All I can say is damn good job Fugger!!!!! You make up proud!

next I know you can't show us too much more but can you sneak a few answers if possible

1. is skulltrail designed to oc with other xeon chips, like the 5440 and 5430's? with fsb options or other potions that don't require multiplier increasing ( as those chips are locked it appears ).

I am asking this since skulltrail may be a possible option to build workstation machines, not just xtreme beasts.

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I looked around and it appears that Skulltrail requires Core 2 Extreme LGA771 chips.