yes , but still nothing. The mobo has replaced with the new one too.
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I notice with non usb3 M4A89TD PRO bios 1006, it's overvolting quite heftily with LLC on, 1.475v = 1.524 full load prime 95, not a big deal I will just drop voltage to compensate but would be nice to set a voltage and actually get it as LLC Off = undershooting what I set quite a bit. A simple fix would be a middle option. LLC Off, 50% LLC and 100 % LLC.
Success!!!! yaay - thanks asus - it does overvolt .02v more than the previous BIOS's with LLC but at least I got it stable at 4Ghz again :)
:up:
This seems to be a common problem with most Asus bios, the last couple releases for the C4F do the same thing,
although 1005 is a little better (especially on the IMC)...
I was hoping to see the LLC% option too, hopefully 1005 was just a placeholder and bingo has something new and better coming soon. :up:
Glad you got your clocks back man!! :clap:
I have to say... Asus may be a little slow getting new releases out, but at least when you get a new one it actually improves things! :yepp:
how to rollback m4a87td/usb3 bios using bupdater?
running the 1606 bios now on ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3
load as in prime 95 or just a game?
I'm set at about 1.4375 for example right now to compensate doing some testing in prime 95, Load = 1.488-1.50. I use LLC only to keep voltage more consistent, it bounces around quite a bit more off.
Target is 1.475 which I will hit with these settings IDLE.
It may have more to do with the way turbo is implemented on chip. I like control and don't want my chip doing stuff I don't tell it to do especially when doing reviews, that said turbo is off. What could be happening is turbo is told to be off multi wise but the cpu and or microcode isn't smart enough to say hey we don't need to ramp voltage now becasue turbo is off. Thats a very logical explanation why instead of having some droop voltage ramps up even more when loaded as that is the way turbo was designed to work.
It's not a big deal LLC percentages will allow closer to accurate set voltages for all parties.
first post, thanks for letting me be a part of the community.
I've been following this thread closely and I'm assuming that the Crosshair IV Forumla BIOS 1005 is the final version? Since it's on ASUS' download page?
1606 is official and on the M4A89GTDPRo-USB3 Page on asus's site ;)
Yes, that was I meant, sorry for the confusion
Hi bingo13, thanks for the latest BIOS release. :)
Following on from my earlier posting regarding possible issues with GPU clock error and USB header (issues still present in 1606 BIOS), below are findings for two different 1055T processors:
1) Max CPU Bus Frequency overclock results (HyperPI 32M, y-cruncher Kasumi stable): i) 1055T, 125W processor - 305 MHz; ii) 1055T, 95W processor – 299 MHz [300 MHz (CPU-Z) in Windows environment – disparity between BIOS and Windows environment]
2) CPU Bus Frequency for 1055T, 95W processor is prone to moving around a fair bit, i.e. a setting of 302 MHz in the BIOS results in values of between 302 and 306.7 MHz in Windows environment (CPU-Z).
3) CPU Core voltage for 95W processor in Turbo mode reaches 1.49V (Everest), for 1.275V CPU voltage setting in BIOS, and AMD OverDrive erroneously reports multiplier value up to 20 when set to 15 in BIOS – recognising that this could be an issue with the AMD OverDrive software.
ASUS M4A89GTD Pro/USB3; AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 125W/95W; 4GB OCZ Platinum DDR3 1600 @ 7-7-7-20 27tRC, 1T 1.725V; 2 x 1TB Western Digital WD1002FAEX SATA 6Gbps Caviar Black, RAID 0; 1TB Samsung F3 HD103SJ; Lite-On iHAS124; Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD; Noctua NH-C12P SE14; 1 x Arctic F12 PWM, 2 x Arctic F9 PWM; 4GB Corsair Flash Voyager GT (ReadyBoost); Corsair HX450; Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.
Load on Prime 95. Disabling LLC may cause a ~0.06v vdroop for my x4 955.
Changing to 1055T and the same board, LLC overvolt goes higher. Set 1.4125v for 4GHz and shows 1.452-1.464v on CPU-Z under Prime 95 load. Similarly as yours.
I'm struggling if CPU-Z voltage value is a bit higher than actual on M4A89TD? I have measured vcore use a voltmeter on C4F, and it is always ~0.02v lower than what CPU-Z showed (1.4125v 4GHz setted in BIOS as M4A89TD, 1.438-1.440v measured, 1.452-1.464v on CPU-Z under Prime 95 load), I doubt this because I'm not sure if C4F's LLC level is the same as M4A89TD.:shrug:
I'm experiencing difficulties holding the previous stable OC on M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 - 4267MHz with 1.403125V (set in bios), resulting in 1.416V (or similar) in cpu-z while idle and 1.44 - 1.52V (cpu-z) under Prime95 load. Now, with bios 1605 and 1606 it seems that even 1.44V - 1.45V (set in bios) doesn't help. I put back the frequency to 4GHz with 1.33V, but I want to have my previous result again. However, the reason could be different and it could be something in my system, instead of a bios problem. LLC is enabled on the CPU and disabled for CPU-NB. It seems that CPU-NB is working on the same voltage as before - I tested that. My Corsair GTX2, however, needed a slight bump in voltage from 1.69 to 1.7025 or smth. If you need any other info, please let me know and I will do whatever I'm able to help. I have currently unused Crosshair IV, I could try the same components with it.
Edit: I think 1303 was the best for OC, but I'm not sure about the exact version.
Edit2: The CPU hadn't been tortured at all. I've run some benchmarks but as I remember 1.58V was the max on cinebench and as I see here, some people are putting over 1.6V into it. I have a descent water-cooling setup, load temperatures never went too high. Even on SuperPi 1M @ 4676MHz I've used 1.58V, lol.
Bingo13, maybe you can tell us what we are waiting for and what bug is being crushed at the moment ? :shrug:
I think it was supposed to be addressed in this BIOS. I upgraded my M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 to the latest release BIOS 1606, and it does NOT recognize my second graphics card. I have an HD5850 in the primary and 9600 GT in the second slot. Overall I'm pleased with the BIOS and have had no issues, it just doesn't fix the problem I (and others) are having.
I did NOT clear CMOS after loading, will try that when I get some time. Any other suggestions are welcome!
Taz
Yes, I know the slot difference. In my case, I have an HD5850 and 9600GT. Here are the various scenarios & how they play out:
- Just the HD5850: Recognizes it without an issue in primary slot
- Just the 9600GT: Recognizes it without an issue in the primary slot
- 9600GT in primary, HD5850 in secondary: Recognizes both cards
- 9600GT in secondary,HD5850 in primary: Recognizes only the HD5850
Again, I have not tried swapping cards or slots, etc., since upgrading to 1606 but I don't think it will matter since it can't see the 9600GT in the configuration I need.
Taz
The 1606 BIOS release notes specifically mention fixing support for two NVIDIA cards. Yet, my Geforce 460 and Geforce 240 fail to be detected simultaneously in the M4A89GTD Pro. :confused:
Device manager, AMD Overdrive, GPU-z, do not recognize a second GPU installed in the computer. The GPU does work and is recognized if installed as the sole GPU, just not as a secondary one...even if it is only for physics.
Uninstalling and reinstalling GPU drivers would very likely not work, but I can give it a try when I get time.
09/08/2010 Update
I will warn everyone now that updating to the following BIOS code means you cannot flash back to a previous BIOS and we will not have a tool to do it. Unless you are willing to use a BETA BIOS, wait for the official release please.
Crosshair IV Formula - BIOS 055
1. Improved Memory Performance and Clocking
2. C1E/CnQ operation update
3. Voltage enhancements
http://www.mediafire.com/file/hb5uxm...-ASUS-0055.rar
Crosshair III Formula - BIOS 1805
1. Improved Memory Performance and Clocking
2. C1E/CnQ operation update
3. Voltage enhancements
http://www.mediafire.com/file/kdvvx3...-ASUS-1805.rar
Based on the CIIIF results, should be rolling out M3/M4 updates in the near future.
bingo13
I understand, that most attention pointed on high level products, but want to ask about one old integrated motherboard - Asus M2NPV-MX. Near two month ago I found that there is new beta BIOS for it, 5005, which added support for all AM2/AM2+/AM3 CPUs, except six core models. Later, some of them disappeared from CPU Support List, for example Phenom II X4 955/965, and there is also post on forum, where user says about incompatibility of this mobo with Phenom II X4 945. I planned to upgrade CPU in this mobo to one of Phenom II X4 CPUs, but now I'm in embarrassment - is Phenom II X4 working on this motherboard, and why some of the CPUs disappeared form CPU Support List?
flashed CHIV 055 bios , previous oc settings are not stable at all . not even when upping voltages and lowering speeds .
(yes i did clear cmos , reset to defaults and did settings again)
So now running linx at F5 default bios settings to see if that's stable . (seen fsb fluctuate between 189 and 217 , wow)
Why is this Bios dated the day before the 1005 if it is newer?:shrug:
Thnaks Bingo for the updated news. Can't wait to get an update for my M3 motherboard hopefully it's not another month before it comes out haha.
that's quite a large fsb droop Crim :( can anyone else confirm that?
Be nice to see more m3a79 love :)
Haven't seen anything like that here with 955/1090. Monitoring with CPU-Z, AI Suite and THG Clock. Both idle and loaded using Prime (small FFTs/blend) and LinX. Voltage spreads are tighter with this BIOS, particularly VCORE and CPU/NB. Also at least on my board most measured voltages are lower then software reports.
I'm still waiting for a Turbo CORE compliant BIOS for my M3A78-T...
I'm wondering why it seems so difficult to implement it, because there are several M3N series boards, even the oldest and cheapest M2N with that feature enabled...
Why nVIDIA chipsets are "easier" in BIOS developement?
I bought a full AMD board (SB750, price around 130 EUR), thinking that my choice will assure stability, and frequent updates, including full Thuban support...
@bingo
Just found out the major problem of Thuban with the crosshair II. Seems like Asus implemented the 4 P-States of the Phenom II X4 for the X6 (which has 5 P-States).
To make it visual what they did wrong:
http://www.abload.de/img/thubanfmz7.png
but it should be this way:
http://www.abload.de/img/thubaniipvjn.png
So P4 doesnt not work because the X4 doesnt have it, -> no C&Q. Multiplier Changes in Bios just affects the Turbo state (P0), not the normal Load State (P1). Would be pleased if u can adress this to your technicians in charge.
regards
seems like the cpu-nb needs a lot more vcore in my case . whereas 3085mhz was stable at 1.3V before i now need 1.4V to get 3000NB stable .
still testing with linx now , this time upping HTlink speed and see .
I am using the M3NHT mobo cause I have SLI. My 1055T gets very unstable when I overclock beyond 3.5GHZ=250 FSB, HT/NB at 2050MHZ @ 8X multiplier, also the voltages don't apply or the multiplier below 14X. rather than that the cpu works fine but sometimes turbo mode will try to kick in for like a couple of seconds then goes back to normal,. Would like to have the option to disable turbo core as well.. Beyond 3.5GHZ the voltages don't stick and the computer will start to randomly freeze on anything beyond 250FSB also I am greeted with BSOD with 0x00000101 which said. "A clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor within the allocated time interval" and that's beyond 3.5GHZ. I gave the cpu to a buddy of mine and he got it overclocked to 4GHZ @ 2.4GHZ HT/NB like no prob with his board.
I used PC Probe/RC TweakIt for software monitoring running Prime95/Small FFTs with the 1090 at 4200MHz. The listed voltages are the highest I saw during a 15 second period. At the same time I captured the 15 second time with a scope. The measured voltages are the high and low values during that time. I can go back through my notes for other voltages if needed.
CPU Voltage (Set in BIOS - 1.49375):
Measured
Idle - 1.492 min, 1.500 max
Load - 1.532 min, 1.536 max
Displayed by software
Idle - 1.501
Load - 1.548
CPU/NB (Set in BIOS - 1.25000):
Idle - 1.252 min, 1.260 max
Load - 1.264 min, 1.268 max
Displayed by software
Idle - 1.250
Load - 1.290
Crim I asked asus to tighten ship on dram performance for a multitude of reasons.
1 being when cold the IMC bugs and 2000 is a hard wall, add this to the fact no one can take much advantage of 2000+ on air/water and we have some wasted speed.
Tightening up Ram performance can impact max NB clocks and possibly cpu......what really matters is if you lost anything performance wise ;) not clock wise.....
Not saying that this was implemented in this beta but they may have......
Hey Praz, I hate to be a pest, but can I ask how you got RC Tweakit to work on both rigs?
I have the cable connected, and installed the software on both machines,
but both still say the "connection is not available"
It may be something I need to figure out for my particular gear, but I really thought I had done everything needed... :(
Any tips would be appreciated!
055 seems to be quite stable for me, quite impressed because for 12 hours I haven't seen the FSB droop once which to me is very impressive, voltage seems solid as well for both cpu/cpu-nb.
p95 blend for 11 hours not a single issue spotted yet.
New Crosshair IV BIOS 1102 ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...-ASUS-1102.zip New M4A88TD-M-EVO-USB3 and M4A78-E BIOS as well, you can get them now as the typical friday or wait few days until they are on ASUS web with a change log.
1102 working like a charm after resetting CMOS and reconfiguring the system
is 1102 the 055's final version?
Both are different final BIOS, this one is from 24/08 in case you wonder so it probably is the last one one they fixed
1102 is probably before they switched to the new AGIE code.
Since it was built on 24th and testing was almost finished on 30th I guess this is the BIOS people were mentioning, at least it has every single thing detected and working properly on my 965/1055T. As for AGESA, never cared much but I think it's 3.7.1.0
its crazy now, dont know, which BIOS to use for the best stability and OC (Crosshair IV)....
BIOS of the day:
Rampage III Extreme 1005
M4A785G HTPC 1602
M4A785G HTPC RC 1602
M4A78 HTPC 1002
M4A88TD-V-EVO 1503
Crosshair III Formula 1805
Crosshair IV Formula 1102
Still no information on the M3NHT Deluxe and no other M3N boards. This is garbage, I am tired of getting that 0X101 BSOD. This motherboard cannot be used with any X6 CPU I highly recommend it. Can't overclock, even stock settings it still BSOD's with the same BSOD i have been getting for the past 2 months. I changed to my 940BE guess what no BSOD anymore. Asus I am going to try the NF980A better not have the same issues and the lack of support if there is not another bios update or beta coming soon. Like I have said on my previous post my buddy got my 1055T up to 4GHZ no problem and yet I cannot even run it on stock settings stable.
Thanks for the reply Sentential now I know at least I am not the only one with the issues. Still sticking with Asus though but that means if there is no update soon I will be forced to spend another 300$ on a new mobo and ddr3 ram when I love my current sticks of 8GB DDR2 1066MHZ, and also I have TRI SLI GTX 260 Core 216's :(
I have as much settings as possible on auto in the new CHIV bios , so speedstep and all the other stuff is activated .
I have seen fluctuations in FSB from 108 to 234 in everest .
I thought speedstep and turbo are not touching fsb but only multipliers .
This also happens when I set pcie and fsb speed fixed to 100 and 200 .
Well, 1102 seemed a little more stable but after moving to 0055, I'm still receiving the issue of having to power my pc on and off several times until I receive a boot.
think it could be just an Everest problem? never seen it with anything else.
You can flash between these two BIOS's, I thought it was not possible. I am getting a 0.02 voltage increase CPU and CPU/NB with 1102 over 055 with the same BIOS settings LLC on both. Asus Probe is showing a 0.01 swing on CPU and CPU/NB voltage also CPU-Z and Everest ver.5.50.2100 is showing a 0.02 swing. Flashed back to 055 just to be sure and getting the same swings.
Ya same exact position as me and for the same reasons. The only caveat for me is that I have an Xfi card and cant use it and tri sli. Gettting Asus's 980a probably wont do anything as the 780a and 980a are effectively the same chipset.
If you are looking for a "fix" it would be the MSI board but I am hesitant to buy it for same exact reasons you don't. However what I am being reminded of throughout this process is why I loathe AMD motherboards. My next setup will be back to intel I think
Also pic very related:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...l/IMG_1787.jpg
^^ My last AMD motherboard circa 2005 back when S939 was just released... ya that didnt end well and is why I spent the next 5 years on Intel. I feel history repeating itself again...
Full load with LLC on both CPU & CPU/NB
Bios 1102
Prime95 blend
HWiNFO32 (checked with multimeter-it is very accurate readings)
About 30min monitoring
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2507/1102v.jpg
Hi-Bios:
CPU: 0.058
CPU/NB: 0.046
Hi Avg-Bios
CPU:0.051
CPU/NB: 0.039
So it seems like they improved CPU/NB, but about the same for CPU as previous bios(es)
i still can't understand those with a 1090T are OCing with bios.
use k10stat and you can OC bios-independet. just use the default-values in bios and raise the VID with K10stat. sure, no possibility to raise the clock from 200 to 2XX (therefore with the 1055T you cannot do this), but guys, you have a CPU with an open multiplcator, use it!
altough bios for M3N-HT (I also have it and I also wait for a better one, especially cause of the missing P4-state) is crap - it boots with a thuban-CPU and so we have won with the black edition CPUs ...
>>>Cyber
Dave.
Say your benching vantage. You find that you can run the bench untill you hit cpu test at say i dunno 4450, but cpu test crashes, after further testing you find 4200 is stable through cpu test. You boot with your HT lower at 4200cpu, slide the clocks to 4450 run vantage, right before cpu test you drop clocks down to 4200 again with HT slider. Congrats you just boosted your GT1 and GT2 scores while being able to pass cpu test at it's known stable speed :)
nex 73: thanks for comparsion, with CPU-NB its great...And what now with OC? Which BIOS Formula IV is the best for air/watter overclocking? Now im at 0905 bios..
On the other hand I'm using 16GB of memory as advertised in the motherboard specifications and the system takes several attempts to boot, becomes unstable at heavy load over a period of time and will not overclock at all.
So it really depends what you're trying to accomplish.
Official bios Version 1102
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Language=en-us
Same 1102 from last week ;)
I have full DIMMs and no downrated RAM, BIOS adjusts settings itself when you select stock speed (1102), never heard of a friend doing such thing
From my initial testing on air, 1102 is no better than the previous bioses & the bouncing things still remain unsolved. It seems to me that there're new ram divider issues on this bios!:shakes:
C4F is a good board....What seems to be the problem?!
Please get people to help out, would you!
I agree Mad....
And bios 0055b isn't much better either.
To their credit they have gotten the floating HTRef down to around 3Mhz (mostly), but still that can kill your OC when your pushing the limit.... :(
We really need a solid HTRef and percentages for LLC overvolt on the CPU and IMC.
They're obviously working on it, but with 6 weeks between releases I'd hoped for something a little better too...
0801 and 0905 both were better for me . I did not have any htswings there .
with this new one 055 i'm getting 30+mhz swings :mad:
I am using 1005 and still have not seen Ht Ref swing. stays at 200.7 all day long. I have a lil voltage swing though, .2v on the core.
I still can't believe my Asus 890gx board was more stable than the Crosshair IV formula I had last week!!! - Needless to say - I returned it for a full refund today and went back to the trusty M4A89GTD/Pro-usb3
It was on basic 0901 (which I later tried with 1005) and I could see the bouncing vcore!! On a couple of occasions all three vcore sensors buggied too!!
On stock my CPU never used to go above 1.32v - With the Crosshair it was always jumping around from 1.42 down to the usual 1.32 (but never went as low as the 1.28v I get for stock on my 890gx).
:down:
Crash the system benching it hard a few times and you will see the HT ref bounce on 0905 bios...........unless i got a bad board which I doubt. That would mean 4 boards were bad......
Under the M4A89GTD Pro Bios DL section at support.asus.com There seems to be a typo. There is a 1456 BIOS as the latest, but a 1606 on there as well. My guess this is just a typo. I sent word off to Bingo, but I have not heard from him in some time.