Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

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11-08-2010, 03:37 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Don't you think AMD should do something about this and get Cayman out, and it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble?.

From a marketing point of view Nvidia wanted to make first move basis on the release of new cards (even if drivers not fully ready).

10 days difference should be nothing to react to...
11-08-2010, 03:39 PM
tajoh111

Don't be so hard on w1zzard.

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Originally Posted by hurrdurr

Does SLI scaling suck or is it just me ?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...80_SLI/24.html

Massively CPU limited and game limited, hence scaling gets higher when your none CPU limited at higher settings.

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Originally Posted by hurrdurr

WTF TPU, why wouldn't you review this card's current main competitor with new drivers??

Especially when you conducted an EARLIER review (HD6870) WITH new drivers?

Especially when there was so much sh@# about you using older drivers in your GTX 480 review months ago... Talk about not learning a lesson.

I hope this is something about these being the "preliminary" review and it'll be fixed in the real review, but that's not a very realistic thing to hope for...

I said this before and I will say it again. You go to tech powerup not for the newest drivers from certain cards, but for the sheer number of games and cards which might not be on other reviews. You would be surprised how many people will be upgrading from gtx 280, 4870, 4870x2 and others.

Theres a reason that why he doesn't retest with newer drivers and that reason is simply the amount of work would be freakish. E.g 20 odd videocards, 20+ plus games and benchmarks = too much work for any one man or person(400+ runs * how many averages he takes).

Take the style for what it is because there are a dozens of reviews that use newest drivers, etc; only techpowerup has this many many games, this many cards, performance percentages, price to performance ratio's, detailed power analysis and etc. I usually look at three reviews, anandtech(recently), hardwarecanucks and techpowerup. Its not like he is using launch drivers. He has updated the drivers as well. At first he used 9.10 for AMD cards, then 10.2 now 10.7. When he has time(when a new launch card hasn't been dumped onto his lap), he will update the review accordingly.

So don't be so critical, because this is a lot of work for a reviewer and wizzard still has GPU-Z to worry about.
11-08-2010, 03:40 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

From a marketing point of view Nvidia wanted to make first move basis on the release of new cards (even if drivers not fully ready).

10 days difference should be nothing to react to...

You are right, 10 days different is OK, I didn't say it would be a problem either. As said before, AMD better get Cayman out, and it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.
11-08-2010, 03:43 PM
japamd

techPowerup! review is up!

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF...mit2_small.jpg
11-08-2010, 03:45 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

You are right, 10 days different is OK, I didn't say it would be a problem either. As said before, AMD better get Cayman out, and it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.

some gut feelings tells me that tomorrow's presentation will encompass AMD's overall scheme, Fusion + Cayman + Chipset + BD for servers, I honestly think that Nvidia's release is a small hindrance, (only my gut feeling though)
11-08-2010, 03:48 PM
tajoh111

On a side note, 64TMU's weak(performance is decent but isn't crazy good), what happened though, 200 millions transister less. What did they change with the architecture and why hasn't size really gone down.
11-08-2010, 03:48 PM
Carbon_Unit

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Originally Posted by marten_larsson

I believe it was hardware coded, temperature monitored VRMs.

From Anandtech last year:

--Anandtech's explanation--

Thanks for that. I wonder why Nvidia didn't do the same thing, or maybe they did but how it was explained was not the best. Either way, as long as it works and doesn't interfere with gaming and other applications I don't care.

Looking forward to the various reviews, a shame Cayman is not being released as well a comparison of two new cards on the same day would be really cool.
11-08-2010, 03:49 PM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

some gut feelings tells me that tomorrow's presentation will encompass AMD's overall scheme, Fusion + Cayman + Chipset + BD for servers, I honestly think that Nvidia's release is a small hindrance, (only my gut feeling though)

I personally hope AMD can deliver a good promise for a competitive Cayman that arrives in time tomorrow. And I hope they can keep both promises too, because it means better prices and more GPUs in near future for all of us.

A competitive Cayman arriving in time will push the prices down :)
11-08-2010, 03:51 PM
bamtan2

I don't know about you, but that looks like a gtx 485 to me

also, techpowerup finds all the recent amd cards are 25% more power efficient. this is why cayman would/could/will/wont be a big big deal if amd maintains that efficiency leadership at the same size and power as gf110. gtx 580 is a 225W card with a chip that can pull 300W. we can bet cayman is the same.
11-08-2010, 03:53 PM
cegras

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

If you want to discuss nVidia vs AMD from a football-match point of view, I'm not interested in any of that, both of them can bleed, I don't care.

Lets keep the discussion to relevant stuff, and about current cards. Just look at those numbers in the first review, and tell me, how those "thing" that AMD has chosen to call "new generation" looks like compared to GTX580? It will come more tomorrow too.

Don't you think AMD should do something about this and get Cayman out, and it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble?.

I don't think comparing the 68xx to the GTX580 is valid. Midrange to flagship.

As for AMD having an answer to the GTX580, the apparent launch date is Nov. 22. If they fail to meet it (and if that is indeed the real launch date), we can start heaping the hate on after.

You should dignify the 6xxx series with a proper name, or you should call the GTX580 a thing too.
11-08-2010, 03:56 PM
kuroikenshi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

I personally hope AMD can deliver a good promise for a competitive Cayman that arrives in time tomorrow. And I hope they can keep both promises too, because it means better prices and more GPUs in near future for all of us.

A competitive Cayman arriving in time will push the prices down :)

absolutely, I think that for the performance "currently" offered, GTX580 is way off, if it cannot surpass the now one year old 5970 I can potentially see two things happen:
a) GTX585, GTX590 & GTX595 to come shortly after
b) drivers solve the issue and thus making it a better buy than a 5970 (should be expected)
c) They simply used this as a marketing wedge until their 28nm GPU comes out in 2011
11-08-2010, 04:02 PM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by cegras

I don't think comparing the 68xx to the GTX580 is valid. Midrange to flagship.

As for AMD having an answer to the GTX580, the apparent launch date is Nov. 22. If they fail to meet it (and if that is indeed the real launch date), we can start heaping the hate on after.

You should dignify the 6xxx series with a proper name, or you should call the GTX580 a thing too.

Hate? I think you misunderstand it. Open you mind, there is no place for hate about HW. We are not fighting here, we all have just different view which often has more common than we realize.

You are actually saying almost the same as I've been saying all the time. You agree 68xx is not match for GTX580, and I agree it is not spoused to be in the same class either, but then don't you agree that AMD should do something about it and get Cayman out, and it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble?.
11-08-2010, 04:02 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

I have really didn't make my mind if GTX580 is a real or fake next generation yet. Let me look at more in dept reviews, and I'll tell you tomorrow, OK?

But I can tell you today, those "thing" that AMD has chosen to call "new generation" looks worst than the "old generation", for sure.

I dont know what to tell you man I really dont know what kind of info youve been reading on cayman but it sure seems different than mine.

From this preliminary review by tpu what I see is a card from nvidia that can finally trade blows with the 5970 at 50$ less albeit higher power draw still.
Even if Cayman is late I dont think the gtx580 will do too much damage (of course its still an awesome product) to AMD sales as they could simply lower the price on 5970 and that would hold its own vs the 580 till a late Cayman arrives.

Still from the way AMD has been executing I do not think it will be late.
kudos for nvidia for pulling this card out of the hat, if its widely available thats quite impressive and a massive step foward from last year.
11-08-2010, 04:08 PM
bill_d

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

I dont know what to tell you man I really dont know what kind of info youve been reading on cayman but it sure seems different than mine.

From this preliminary review by tpu what I see is a card from nvidia that can finally trade blows with the 5970 at 50$ less albeit higher power draw still.
Even if Cayman is late I dont think the gtx580 will do too much damage (of course its still an awesome product) to AMD sales as they could simply lower the price on 5970 and that would hold its own vs the 580 till a late Cayman arrives.

Still from the way AMD has been executing I do not think it will be late.
kudos for nvidia for pulling this card out of the hat, if its widely available thats quite impressive and a massive step foward from last year.

more like 30 more w/rebate :up:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-887-_-Product
11-08-2010, 04:11 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitriman

I dont know what to tell you man I really dont know what kind of info youve been reading on cayman but it sure seems different than mine.

From this preliminary review by tpu what I see is a card from nvidia that can finally trade blows with the 5970 at 50$ less albeit higher power draw still.
Even if Cayman is late I dont think the gtx580 will do too much damage (of course its still an awesome product) to AMD sales as they could simply lower the price on 5970 and that would hold its own vs the 580 till a late Cayman arrives.

Still from the way AMD has been executing I do not think it will be late.
kudos for nvidia for pulling this card out of the hat, if its widely available thats quite impressive and a massive step foward from last year.

I haven't said ANYTHING about cayman's performance, I say they better keep what they promise, and get it out in time.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? Please, just tell what you mean, and don't try to accuse me for something I've never said.

I think you should keep talking for yourself, i don't need a translate, or lawyer to talk for me. Please talk about your own ideas and meanings. Stop accusing me for thing I've never said.
11-08-2010, 04:12 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by bill_d

more like 30 more w/rebate :up:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-887-_-Product

wow! if they scale good enough, I might buy a 2nd one just for kicks
11-08-2010, 04:15 PM
cold2010

GALAXY GTX 580

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6383/94819018.jpg

http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=253168
11-08-2010, 04:18 PM
Dimitriman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

I haven't said ANYTHING about cayman's performance, I say they better keep what they promise, and get it out in time.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? Please, just tell what you mean, and don't try to accuse me for something I've never said.

I think you should keep talking for yourself, i don't need a translate, or lawyer to talk for me. Please talk about your own ideas and meanings. Stop accusing me for thing I've never said.

I think you should read my post again as I did not talk about performance of Cayman at all neither did I put words into your mouth. I said I dont know what info you have on Cayman that makes you look so pessimistically at it (especially as amds next gen product) and was referring in terms of design not perf.
why are you taking things personal and accusing me of attacking you?
I think youre not quite trying to understand my point of view so dont worry ill refrain from responding to you in the future.
11-08-2010, 04:22 PM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

I think you should read my post again as I did not talk about performance of Cayman at all neither did I put words into your mouth. I said I dont know what info you have on Cayman that makes you look so pessimistically at it (especially as amds next gen product) and was referring in terms of design not perf.
why are you taking things personal and accusing me of attacking you?
I think youre not quite trying to understand my point of view so dont worry ill refrain from responding to you in the future.

That's OK, keep it cool. Maybe we can't understand each other, for some reason. It seams to go both way. So lets cool off and enjoy others conversation, maybe we understand more
11-08-2010, 04:30 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

That's OK, keep it cool. Maybe we can't understand each other, for some reason. It seams to go both way. So lets cool off and enjoy others conversation, maybe we understand more

ok cool agreed no harm done.

Now I need to know exactly in how many hours nda is lifted to see if I can hold my sleep to read the reviews.
11-08-2010, 04:40 PM
tbone8ty

so gtx 580 = 5970

cant wait for dual chip 460 and 6870x2 to come out
11-08-2010, 04:44 PM
Mad Pistol

GTX 580 looks like a pretty nice card. A 20% increase in performance while lowering power consumption on the same process is a great accomplishment.

Here's to hoping AMD delivers on the 6970. :)
11-08-2010, 04:58 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

I haven't said ANYTHING about cayman's performance, I say they better keep what they promise, and get it out in time.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? Please, just tell what you mean, and don't try to accuse me for something I've never said.

I think you should keep talking for yourself, i don't need a translate, or lawyer to talk for me. Please talk about your own ideas and meanings. Stop accusing me for thing I've never said.

but you implied that if they dont get cayman out they are in big trouble ... so what its going to be now ???? big trouble or 5970 can still hold its own against the 580 ...

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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol

GTX 580 looks like a pretty nice card. A 20% increase in performance while lowering power consumption on the same process is a great accomplishment.

Here's to hoping AMD delivers on the 6970. :)

great accomplishement ????

LOLL .... its what these card were supose to be ... nothing else ... and that is great????
11-08-2010, 05:00 PM
Oztopher

I love that galaxy gtx 580 picture... real sexy looking card lol

Pretty much what everyone expected, no? :shrug:

I'll wait for more reviews before judging it against the 5970.

I heard somewhere the reason for the lower power consumption is because they got rid of the 200mill transistors that were used for GPGPU purposes, correct me if i'm wrong.

Overall a nice card, not exactly worthy of the 580 name going by normal standards though.

Surely they might be able to do a dual fermi card now right? Might make things more interesting :hrhr:
11-08-2010, 05:03 PM
safan80

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Originally Posted by japamd

techPowerup! review is up!

They use the 10.7 drivers on the ATI cards except for the 6800 :down:

The 10.10 series drivers has boost my 5970 by about 20-30 fps in games.

The GTX 580 is a great card, but it is a year too late as I already own a 5970.

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