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12-07-2007, 02:16 PM
DMight

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElEctric_EyE

Oh man, I'm sorry to hear that m8. Maybe you want to tell them to upgrade you to the extreme?

Heh, if I could afford the DDR3 I would. I'm quite happy with the performance of my G.Skill 4GB DDR2 kit, esp. considering the price. All I want for Christmas is a working motherboard to put it in.
12-07-2007, 02:27 PM
JoeBar

What a disappointment. :mad:

I finally finished my new system based on a Maximus, just to realize that it can't boot with 2 sticks of ram. It only boots with 1 stick on the 4th slot. Tried 3 bios, 2 different mem kits and every possible relaxed timing but this sucker refuses to boot. For now i believe that i'll pass X38 all over...

Thank God i have a 2nd rig based on a IP35 Pro...
12-07-2007, 02:30 PM
Zucker2k

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This is where I'm at right now. Moving 120watts of my main psu helped a lot.
Oh, this is 8x480 on the 266 strap! And how about that PC 6400 hanging in there at 1200 (did 1280 cas 4 at only 2.4 volts :shocked: )

Edit: Bios 903 of course!
12-07-2007, 02:36 PM
Renegade5399

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBar

What a disappointment. :mad:

I finally finished my new system based on a Maximus, just to realize that it can't boot with 2 sticks of ram. It only boots with 1 stick on the 4th slot. Tried 3 bios, 2 different mem kits and every possible relaxed timing but this sucker refuses to boot. For now i believe that i'll pass X38 all over...

Thank God i have a 2nd rig based on a IP35 Pro...

User error. You try upping the DRAM volts? It boots up at 1.8-1.9v stock. Most RAM needs 2.0v minimum to boot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

This is where I'm at right now. Moving 120watts of my main psu helped a lot.
Oh, this is 8x480 on the 266 strap! And how about that PC 6400 hanging in there at 1200 (did 1280 cas 4 at only 2.4 volts :shocked: )

Edit: Bios 903 of course!

Those numbers look good. Keep going!
12-07-2007, 02:44 PM
safan80

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBar

What a disappointment. :mad:

I finally finished my new system based on a Maximus, just to realize that it can't boot with 2 sticks of ram. It only boots with 1 stick on the 4th slot. Tried 3 bios, 2 different mem kits and every possible relaxed timing but this sucker refuses to boot. For now i believe that i'll pass X38 all over...

Thank God i have a 2nd rig based on a IP35 Pro...

rma your board. all 4 slots on my board work.
12-07-2007, 02:50 PM
Grnfinger

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Originally Posted by ninogui

Hi grnfinger,

have you tried with 5-5-5-16 or 5-5-5-18 or 5-6-5-16.? and a notch up on the ram voltage.?

the straps have been failing me too, at least on bios 0903.

I will try it tonight , thanks for the advice I have been really frustrated by this.
I think I saw my wife last night with the yellow pages opend to lawyers :rofl:

If it works she will be pleased
12-07-2007, 02:51 PM
Unbornchild

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Originally Posted by leoftw

the watercooling thread has some sick pic's in it including this one from member
Scooby

Wow, that's just fascinatingly beautiful to look at!!! It's pure Art! :up:
12-07-2007, 02:54 PM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade5399

User error. You try upping the DRAM volts? It boots up at 1.8-1.9v stock. Most RAM needs 2.0v minimum to boot.

U jump very quick to conclusions... :rolleyes:

Just because i didn't made a list of everything i tried doesn't mean that u can come here and say "user error".

Quote:

Originally Posted by safan80

rma your board. all 4 slots on my board work.

Of course it's for RMA. I just wrote this post to express my frustration cause i just finished building a dual loop system and don't have the time to redo this again, for now... :(
12-07-2007, 03:00 PM
Renegade5399

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBar

U jump very quick to conclusions... :rolleyes:

Just because i didn't made a list of everything i tried doesn't mean that u can come here and say "user error".

Of course it's for RMA. I just wrote this post to express my frustration cause i just finished building a dual loop system and don't have the time to redo this again, for now... :(

Well if you don't list it, we figure you didn't try it. That's also the slot you can boot up with if you have 2.0v+ RAM and you need to get into the BIOS to set the voltage higher. I have to put 1 stick of my Ballistix in that end slot whenever I do a CMOS Clear to get it to boot and set the voltage. The symptoms you listed would have been caused by leaving the voltage on Auto, so my User Error call was a correct one given the facts.

Now did you do a standard or cross ship RMA? I'm curious about the cross ship option.
12-07-2007, 03:23 PM
393

So it look like 0903 is the way to go on this board. Anyone had serious issues with 0903?
12-07-2007, 03:36 PM
mouawad

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Originally Posted by Unbornchild

Wow, that's just fascinatingly beautiful to look at!!! It's pure Art! :up:

pure overkill and a waste of money if you ask me :)

water on the NB (or very good air) is ALL this board needs, the mosfets don't need any more attention and my SB runs cool with passive ramsinks.

i DO love this board :yepp:

currently on 0901 with no problems but methinks i will try 0903 too.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/6436/3800145vbp1.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9452/img0560pu2.jpg
12-07-2007, 03:59 PM
leoftw

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Originally Posted by mouawad

pure overkill and a waste of money if you ask me :)

I thought that was what XS was all about :p:

Nice case btw !

I just realized something for ram volatage I always left it on auto , this might be the issues with my overlclock. I'm going to set them at 2.20V and see what happens . Does Crucial have warranty on their ram ?
12-07-2007, 04:11 PM
Langley

Yes... i love this board too. ;)
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...7122429_qx.jpg
12-07-2007, 04:25 PM
hotshot100

I have recieve my board Yesterday and I have flash it with the 0903 .

I have some problem when I reboot .

The LCD poster stay on the time clock and nothing happen . I need to turn the power supply switch off and wait for the LCD poster shut down . After that I turn the power back on and start the computer and everything work fine . My computer is 100% stable under Orthos .

Its only when I reboot and I dont know why . Sometime when I go in the bios the LCD stay at "en setup" and nothing happen again I need to shut down the power supply switch .

anyone have this problem ? sorry for my poor english .
12-07-2007, 05:36 PM
pazza316

Yes leoftw Crucial offer a lifetime warranty on RAM. Those sticks you have are still under warranty upto 2.2v. I would set the Bios to 2.10 for a start as the board overvolts by upto 0.1. Check the actual Vdimm then and adjust from that.
12-07-2007, 05:38 PM
ninogui

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Originally Posted by DMight

Oh, how I wish this board were an ABIT NF7-S. That's what I'm typing on right now...this board has been rock solid for me for years with my Barton 2700. Maximus Formula is my first upgrade from this system...what a difference.

Well, I've paid my one-way shipping and the board is on it's way to ASUS RMA. I'd love it if they could shed some light on what happened, but I suppose I should just be happy if they send back a working board. Such strange behavior, 8 hours OCCT blend stable and then these random shut downs and the eventual crash INSIDE THE BIOS. I could here the little voice in my head, "This means no Christmas". Well, now I get to put it out of my mind for a week or two...since it's various problems have been kind of all consuming. My family will be thankful for the respite.

I´m sure of that.. your body and your mind will thank you too.

so you´re just like me... nf7-s ruled for years!! just dont ever try to flash it with assus windows update... lololololol
12-07-2007, 05:41 PM
ninogui

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I will try it tonight , thanks for the advice I have been really frustrated by this.
I think I saw my wife last night with the yellow pages opend to lawyers :rofl:

If it works she will be pleased

ahahahah be glad you´re still married
12-07-2007, 05:47 PM
ninogui

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade5399

Well if you don't list it, we figure you didn't try it. That's also the slot you can boot up with if you have 2.0v+ RAM and you need to get into the BIOS to set the voltage higher. I have to put 1 stick of my Ballistix in that end slot whenever I do a CMOS Clear to get it to boot and set the voltage. The symptoms you listed would have been caused by leaving the voltage on Auto, so my User Error call was a correct one given the facts.

Now did you do a standard or cross ship RMA? I'm curious about the cross ship option.

in fact renegade.. now that you mentioned it... i was getting to defaults just for a fresh restart all on auto/factory for my new axerams pc1200 (just chose pc-1200 / auto timmings), including dimmvolt, and when i booted i noticed the bios had the dimmvolt at 2.5!!! immediately restarted and had it down to 2.02.

I thought dimmvolt on auto would be a jdec parameter read into the mb from the ram??

crazy, i almost had a faint.
12-07-2007, 05:52 PM
ninogui

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouawad

pure overkill and a waste of money if you ask me :)

water on the NB (or very good air) is ALL this board needs, the mosfets don't need any more attention and my SB runs cool with passive ramsinks.

i DO love this board :yepp:

currently on 0901 with no problems but methinks i will try 0903 too.

well the photo is preety well produced, that i give you... have you noticed theres no vga (lets say an ultra) on it? lololololol i wonder why lolololol
12-07-2007, 05:57 PM
mouawad

by the way does anybody else with the non-SE board have a 1.02g?

i thought all SE boards were 1.02g but mine is also lol :)
12-07-2007, 06:46 PM
Darkstormz

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouawad

by the way does anybody else with the non-SE board have a 1.02g?

i thought all SE boards were 1.02g but mine is also lol :)

Yes I got 1.02G on my NON-SE board.
My northbridge temps are crazy. 53c load with HR-05 IFX + fan blowing on it.
With my SE board i get around 35-38c load with HR-05 IFX.
Something is strange with my NON-SE board for sure...
12-07-2007, 06:48 PM
safan80

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here's my Yorkfield QX9650 @ 4.4Ghz

occt 3hr stable
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x...p_occt_3hr.jpg

1M and 32M superpi

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x...nd32_super.jpg

added vista x64 1M superpi
12-07-2007, 07:00 PM
Darkstormz

After removing the heatpipe thing from the maximus board, the northbridge has an IHS. Anyone removed it?
12-07-2007, 07:03 PM
Zucker2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstormz

After removing the heatpipe thing from the maximus board, the northbridge has an IHS. Anyone removed it?

I can smell something bad about to happen :D

Edit 1: There are trace wires running close to the edge of the heat sink; you're definitely going to hurt something.

Edit 2: But since this XS, why don't you try pulling on the fusion block after a few hours of orthos, small ffts, and allowing the board to cool.
12-07-2007, 07:05 PM
Darkstormz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

I can smell something bad about to happen :D

Well I see one some pictures that people has a "naked" northbridge without the IHS. I´m tired of my 53c load on NB with the IFX cooler from thermaltake.
So I´m thinking of removing the IHS now :)
12-07-2007, 07:09 PM
Zucker2k

Some guys got lucky, IHS came of when they were trying to peel the fusion block from the NB.
12-07-2007, 07:11 PM
mouawad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstormz

After removing the heatpipe thing from the maximus board, the northbridge has an IHS. Anyone removed it?

i've seen the ihs removed yes :yepp:

only problem is that the northbridge was also attached to it :rofl:

i think it's a risky proposition
12-07-2007, 07:24 PM
Darkstormz

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouawad

i've seen the ihs removed yes :yepp:

only problem is that the northbridge was also attached to it :rofl:

i think it's a risky proposition

haha!

Well I dont have any stability issues with my temps, but I think they are hot.
Will try reseat the IFX cooler tomorrow and see what happends.
12-07-2007, 07:25 PM
safan80

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mouawad

i've seen the ihs removed yes :yepp:

only problem is that the northbridge was also attached to it :rofl:

i think it's a risky proposition

I remember that ;)
12-07-2007, 07:31 PM
Darkstormz

Ouch thats nasty...
12-07-2007, 08:02 PM
iadstudio

Wow. Don't think RMA will work for him!

What are safe temps for this NB? I've heard that at 45+ a lot of people experiance stability issues, but it seems like this thig runs hotter then that.

Mine was a steady 45-50c before I sent it in for RMA.
12-07-2007, 08:04 PM
safan80

Quote:

Originally Posted by iadstudio

Wow. Don't think RMA will work for him!

What are safe temps for this NB? I've heard that at 45+ a lot of people experiance stability issues, but it seems like this thig runs hotter then that.

Mine was a steady 45-50c before I sent it in for RMA.

65C runs fine here check the pics I posted.
12-07-2007, 08:34 PM
iadstudio

Quote:

Originally Posted by safan80

65C runs fine here check the pics I posted.

so maybe my temp expectations for this chipset were off, huh. I don
t feel like finding Intel's whitepaper on the x38 to find the "official" temp recomendations so have to go by what I hear. Anybody know what Intels recomendations are for the x38?

BTW. It doesn't seem like it's worth it to pop the heatsink off and reset with a better TIM or even a better cooler.
12-07-2007, 08:50 PM
safan80

Quote:

Originally Posted by iadstudio

BTW. It doesn't seem like it's worth it to pop the heatsink off and reset with a better TIM or even a better cooler.

it is if you use an mcw30 on it. you can check the water section to see.
12-08-2007, 12:32 AM
fadetoblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tergon

I recently flashed to 903 and then back to 902, system does like either but I can't get back to 0602 I can't figure out why? EZflash won't let me "something about the board version" message and something, Temperatures under 902 are very high, also I can not long change the CPU multipler. Q6600 and Asus Maximus Special edition. Thermal right 120 extreme cooler. Any ideas.
Thanks

Tergon, what exactly are the temp issues you are having? im also having some problems. im gonna paste in the problem from my other post here:

i installed a qx9650 today and having an issue with the temp. temps are normal on all cores except the 2nd one. in core temp (0.95.4) they are : 22,41,19,20. bios reports cpu temp as 41, and so does speed fan. the asus probe software also shows 41 for cpu temp. i have not seen the 41 change at all. even when i run prime, the 41 remains constant. the other cores fluctuate normally.

btw first i had the problem in 0901. then i updated to 0902 and still having the same issue.
12-08-2007, 01:43 AM
pazza316

My temps on all four cores stay the same all the time mate. In probe, Speed fan and core temp. Evan with 12 Hours Dual Orthos and 6 Hours OCCT. It must be incorrect reporting by the bios.
12-08-2007, 02:59 AM
jacek

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I love this board !!!!!
My memory modules can run at PERFORMANCE LEVEL=4. 2.2V in bios.
12-08-2007, 03:15 AM
Darkstormz

Quote:

Originally Posted by safan80

65C runs fine here check the pics I posted.

Ohh someone actually got higher temps then me :)
I use HR-05 IFX on min without a fan now and its about 45c idle 53c load.
12-08-2007, 04:48 AM
intothefantasy

alrite wtf is wrong with this board actually...pls sort me out i was like gonna be mad....today i have brought a thermalright 120 ultra extreme with scythe fan...to replace my artic cooling freezer 7...before i replace i was getting 45c in idle at 2.4ghz un oced....after replacing the tr i get the same 45c idle...i was like wtf? i reseat the damn heatsink for 5 times..i still get the same temp...the temp i reading is from everest. speedfan and bios temp monitor...all the same temp...wtf is going here? i supose that damn heatsink should be better then artic cooling
12-08-2007, 04:54 AM
eSp!s0

450x8 ran 10hours OCCT (slider in the middle) over night without any errors, and yesterday I also tested slider at cpu and at ram for each 30minutes without an error and Memtest, too. I think that must be stable, and here it is, with 400strap :)

BIOS 903
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
-Ratio CMOS Setting : Auto
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100

DRAM Frequency: 1200
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 5
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 15
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : Enabled
-Boost Level 1

CPU Voltage : 1.33500 1.320VCPU-z
CPU PLL Voltage : Auto
North Bridge Voltage : 1.29 1.30V Everest
DRAM Voltage : 2.16 2.19-2.21V Everest
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.38 1.42V Everest
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050 1.06V Everest
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : Auto

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU Volt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
12-08-2007, 05:33 AM
intothefantasy

damn y cant i flash back to old bios? i now at 0903...i flashed with a usb pendrive..and now i cant flash back..
12-08-2007, 05:42 AM
mouawad

Quote:

Originally Posted by iadstudio

so maybe my temp expectations for this chipset were off, huh. I don
t feel like finding Intel's whitepaper on the x38 to find the "official" temp recomendations so have to go by what I hear. Anybody know what Intels recomendations are for the x38?

BTW. It doesn't seem like it's worth it to pop the heatsink off and reset with a better TIM or even a better cooler.

i've removed the heatsink on 2 boards now, they come off pretty easy with a hairdryer to heat up the gunk. some gentle lateral twisting and you shouldn't be in danger of removing the NB :)

i put a mcw30 onto mine and get ~31c under load with 1.5v - it's well worth it if you have a water loop running anyway.
12-08-2007, 06:52 AM
Darkstormz

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouawad

i've removed the heatsink on 2 boards now, they come off pretty easy with a hairdryer to heat up the gunk. some gentle lateral twisting and you shouldn't be in danger of removing the NB :)

i put a mcw30 onto mine and get ~31c under load with 1.5v - it's well worth it if you have a water loop running anyway.

Did you just remove the heatpipe thing, or did you remove the IHS too on the northbridge? The big grey one that looks like Intel CPU IHS.
12-08-2007, 07:23 AM
TheSamurai

anybody try installing LINUX and was actually successful?!?!?!
12-08-2007, 08:12 AM
mouawad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstormz

Did you just remove the heatpipe thing, or did you remove the IHS too on the northbridge? The big grey one that looks like Intel CPU IHS.

i didn't remove the IHS, don't want to neither it's a godsend for waterblocks.
12-08-2007, 08:33 AM
iadstudio

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouawad

i've removed the heatsink on 2 boards now, they come off pretty easy with a hairdryer to heat up the gunk. some gentle lateral twisting and you shouldn't be in danger of removing the NB :)

i put a mcw30 onto mine and get ~31c under load with 1.5v - it's well worth it if you have a water loop running anyway.

I think I'll wait til I have a quad on this thing and verify that my nb temps are holding me back. Right now my chip has a reasonable limit to it and pushing this board hasn't been a problem. I have an OCZ ram cooler so the nb gets plenty of air anyways. We'll see, but id on't plan on taking another nb heatsink off unless i have to. Bedes, I kinda like all that copper. It looks good in my case :D
12-08-2007, 09:58 AM
jacek

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSamurai

anybody try installing LINUX and was actually successful?!?!?!

yes, kubuntu linux successfully installed. Works fine :)
12-08-2007, 10:10 AM
fadetoblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by pazza316

My temps on all four cores stay the same all the time mate. In probe, Speed fan and core temp. Evan with 12 Hours Dual Orthos and 6 Hours OCCT. It must be incorrect reporting by the bios.

so if everything is reporting temps incorrectly how are you supposed to tell what the hell the temp is? is this issue fixed in 0903? if not, is there an older bios version that does not have this issue? also, in my case since its only my 2nd core thats constant, can i assume its +-5 degrees of the other cores? im just afraid to start overclocking without getting a temp reading.
12-08-2007, 10:16 AM
intothefantasy

Quote:

Originally Posted by fadetoblack

so if everything is reporting temps incorrectly how are you supposed to tell what the hell the temp is? is this issue fixed in 0903? if not, is there an older bios version that does not have this issue? also, in my case since its only my 2nd core thats constant, can i assume its +-5 degrees of the other cores? im just afraid to start overclocking without getting a temp reading.

i have flash back to 0602...damn those new bios +20c to my cpu temp...from 30 jump to 50...currently this makes me not sure which is the real temp that my pc actually got..
12-08-2007, 10:19 AM
fadetoblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by intothefantasy

i have flash back to 0602...damn those new bios +20c to my cpu temp...from 30 jump to 50...currently this makes me not sure which is the real temp that my pc actually got..

how many other people are running 0602? is anyone with a qx9650 using this bios? are there any other issues with 0602 that i should know about?
12-08-2007, 11:03 AM
fadetoblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by intothefantasy

i have flash back to 0602...damn those new bios +20c to my cpu temp...from 30 jump to 50...currently this makes me not sure which is the real temp that my pc actually got..

i just tried to flash back to 0602 using the ez flash tool in the bios. after verifying the file, it gave me a message saying that the file is an older version than on the board and didnt let me flash it. how can i go back to 0602?
12-08-2007, 11:09 AM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade5399

Well if you don't list it, we figure you didn't try it. That's also the slot you can boot up with if you have 2.0v+ RAM and you need to get into the BIOS to set the voltage higher. I have to put 1 stick of my Ballistix in that end slot whenever I do a CMOS Clear to get it to boot and set the voltage. The symptoms you listed would have been caused by leaving the voltage on Auto, so my User Error call was a correct one given the facts.

Now did you do a standard or cross ship RMA? I'm curious about the cross ship option.

I used up to 2.2v with different dividers, stripes, timings and other mem/nb related settings and this damn mb refuses to boot... :mad:

I'm going to return it to the store i bought it. RMA is immediate (good customers have their benefits... ;) ) so it's no prob. The only inconvenience is the lack of time and the dual loop redo...
12-08-2007, 11:35 AM
fadetoblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tergon

I had to install an old Ghost backup of XP 32 bit and ran Asusupdate, with BIOS step back enable, also you don't have to download the files through asus update to update the BIOS. Download the files in advance and use the file update instead, I think people are running in to problems more when they use a download through the updater and not off the original FTP or Web site.

where is the bios step back option? i installed asus update and i tried to flash back to 602 but it didnt let me and i didnt see any bios step back option.

edit: never mind, i didnt realize there was an "options" selection. also, is it safe to flash the bios from within windows using asus update?
12-08-2007, 11:52 AM
Grnfinger

In the drop down box select options> click next> check the downgrade box
12-08-2007, 11:55 AM
fadetoblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

In the drop down box select options> click next> check the downgrade box

thanks! im a little afraid to use the asus updater though, ive heard of ppl bricking their boards using that thing - or is it safe as long as i update from file?
12-08-2007, 12:05 PM
zlojack

Quote:

Originally Posted by fadetoblack

thanks! im a little afraid to use the asus updater though, ive heard of ppl bricking their boards using that thing - or is it safe as long as i update from file?

I've updated from file twice and it's been fine.

I just hope they come out with a good BIOS soon, since I can't be arsed to go through the trouble of the downgrade process...
12-08-2007, 12:12 PM
intothefantasy

actually which temp for cpu is actually correct? i get low temp at 0602 bios and high temp at 0903...can someone pls confirm this? i get additional of 20c for bios 0903
12-08-2007, 12:14 PM
fadetoblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by intothefantasy

actually which temp for cpu is actually correct? i get low temp at 0602 bios and high temp at 0903...can someone pls confirm this? i get additional of 20c for bios 0903

this is new to me as well, but i think the 0602 temperatures are correct. do you temperatures at 0903 fluctuate or are they always constant no matter what? if yes, then 0903 is not correct for sure.
12-08-2007, 12:16 PM
fadetoblack

ok i tried to flash the bios using asus updater 71103 and no matter what rom file i give it it says "Warning! The BIOS image can't use in this motherboard. (The EEPROM Type incompatible)".

however when i use the same file in ez flash, it just tells me i cant downgrade and doesnt say anything about eeprom incompatibility.
12-08-2007, 12:18 PM
kup

The problem is the version of AsusUpdate, please read the thread properly or use the "Part 2" thread which contains ALL the information you need.

Asus Maximus Formula *Part 2* *Help / Overclocking / Guide*
12-08-2007, 12:20 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by fadetoblack

thanks! im a little afraid to use the asus updater though, ive heard of ppl bricking their boards using that thing - or is it safe as long as i update from file?

I have done it once to revert from 901 to 802 and all was fine, I did flash from file and set everything to stock speeds b4 the flash.

I find all bios's have temp issues above 504, have yet to try 903 some ppl have good luck with it and some are complaining.
I am choosing to wait and let others be Asus's test rats for I do not want to re do my loop again
12-08-2007, 12:21 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by fadetoblack

ok i tried to flash the bios using asus updater 71103 and no matter what rom file i give it it says "Warning! The BIOS image can't use in this motherboard. (The EEPROM Type incompatible)".

however when i use the same file in ez flash, it just tells me i cant downgrade and doesnt say anything about eeprom incompatibility.

Are you using a 64 bit os?
12-08-2007, 12:22 PM
fadetoblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Are you using a 64 bit os?

nope, xp 32. and im positive the rom files are the correct ones
12-08-2007, 12:28 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by fadetoblack

nope, xp 32. and im positive the rom files are the correct ones

remove Asus Update
install this one
http://rapidshare.com/files/73214067/AsusUpdt.rar

it will work
12-08-2007, 12:36 PM
jonny_ftm

Quote:

Originally Posted by intothefantasy

alrite wtf is wrong with this board actually...pls sort me out i was like gonna be mad....today i have brought a thermalright 120 ultra extreme with scythe fan...to replace my artic cooling freezer 7...before i replace i was getting 45c in idle at 2.4ghz un oced....after replacing the tr i get the same 45c idle...i was like wtf? i reseat the damn heatsink for 5 times..i still get the same temp...the temp i reading is from everest. speedfan and bios temp monitor...all the same temp...wtf is going here? i supose that damn heatsink should be better then artic cooling

Try on load. On idle, there is not much heat to dissipate to show the difference. But, 42°C idle is quiet high for a C2D, you have maybe a bad reading in bios
12-08-2007, 12:42 PM
fadetoblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

remove Asus Update
install this one
http://rapidshare.com/files/73214067/AsusUpdt.rar

it will work

thank you!! im running 0602 now, but unfortunately the temperature issue is still there :mad: .. what a headache this is
12-08-2007, 01:17 PM
zlojack

Yeah.. this temperature thing is sure strange... I must say though, that I got ok temps from Coretemp using 903

I was running my Q6600 at 3996 Mhz and getting 45 degrees at idle and as high as 69 at moderate load... but when I tried to do a stress test, it gave me the good old BSOD, so I'm backing off the FSB from 444 (with x9) to 400, which is stable and tested...

Still have to do some temp checks at stock and I'll let you know in a while...going out now.
12-08-2007, 01:25 PM
fadetoblack

hmm. so your temps arent static in 903? and were you seeing static temps in prev versions?
12-08-2007, 01:45 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlojack

Yeah.. this temperature thing is sure strange... I must say though, that I got ok temps from Coretemp using 903.

What were your temps at 4.0GHz and what voltage?

I see about 38 on idle / 58-61 load @ 3.6GHz with 1.48 volts

I have a wood stove so my room is rather warm ...25 celcius
12-08-2007, 03:44 PM
Zucker2k

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I think I'm going somewhere with this chip/ram combination. This board is gonna be legendary before asus is done with it....
12-08-2007, 03:45 PM
safan80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

I think I'm going somewhere with this chip/ram combination. This board is gonna be legendary before asus is done with it....

when you get to 4.4Ghz let me know.
12-08-2007, 03:47 PM
Zucker2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by safan80

when you get to 4.4Ghz let me know.

If I had proper cooling, I just might be able to pull it off - then maybe I'll have a head to head run with your yorkie :)
12-08-2007, 03:52 PM
safan80

for those wanting to downgrade your bios will you please search the thread. it's been posted over and over and over again.
12-08-2007, 04:51 PM
Grnfinger

Some ppl you just cant reach, so you get what we had here last week
Wich is the way he wants it, ....well he gets it
I dont like it anymore than you do

lol
12-08-2007, 05:40 PM
leoftw

my temps are fine from what I could tell on 903 , hopefully it's reading them fine. Everest and coretemp seem to know whats going on .
12-08-2007, 05:47 PM
Grnfinger

Just tried 903
could not boot with 425x8 @1.4

seems the 9 series dont like my setup much, thinking I should have went 680i
This board is really pissing me off, last time I had such a fussy board was the A8N-SLI Deluxe
12-08-2007, 06:02 PM
Nuckin_Futs

Interesting, For me , my mobo love just bout everything on 8x. But then I like to play more with the duals for that reason. Comparing my mobo to any of my P35's with the same core, I can say it is quickly passing them by in overclocker performance capability.

As for that A8N-SLI, I had the premium, and had 3 yrs of good usage out of it other then 2 PSU's and 1 RAM stick go out, but since nobody spoke up to my post, I can onky guess it was a isolated issue. Other then that, I still have this and the CROSSHAIR that many had bad luck with.

This really shows, that performance is different from board to board, and choosing the combo of CPU can make the difference too.

One thing I can say for mine w/ a dual, as it loves the 8x 5:6 devider where as my Q6600 @ 8x on P5K loved the 4:5. 475x8 was a sweet spot for mine, although at that devider, S3 of ACPI was not 100% reliable anymore, but all other test passed with flying colors. 480x8 to 4:5 DDR1200 was nice too. As for the E6750, if in 1:1, full ACPI is smooth all the way to 510FSB.
12-08-2007, 06:33 PM
Grnfinger

I sat on the fence for along time, dual or quad
I know quad is a tad harder to oc and really I am happy with bios 802 so flashing to 903 is really not an issue, but I would like to know why I cant get 450x8 stable when it once was. Its begining to consume all my free time
12-08-2007, 06:46 PM
Darkstormz

I just got some trouble here.
Was about to reboot and the computer rebooted, but then it said CPU INIT.
Tried to clear cmos, put battery out for 15min.
I took the motherboard out too and checked everything.

Will try with a different cpu tomorrow...
12-08-2007, 07:12 PM
zlojack

Quote:

Originally Posted by fadetoblack

hmm. so your temps arent static in 903? and were you seeing static temps in prev versions?

They were static, but seemed high. I had to reseat my Ultra-120 just to be sure, and I did it with a Loonie (Canadian dollar coin) and it's solid as hell now.

The temps I get are pretty consistent, but 8 -10 degrees higher in PC Probe than in CoreTemp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

What were your temps at 4.0GHz and what voltage?

I see about 38 on idle / 58-61 load @ 3.6GHz with 1.48 volts

I have a wood stove so my room is rather warm ...25 celcius

At 4.0 I had 45 degrees idle and as high as 69 under moderate load, but it wasn't stable. Voltage was 1.49.

I could run 3DMark06 but not OCCT. OCCT got me a BSOD.

Anyway, I am running at 3.6 quite stable at 1.44v around the same temp on PC Probe of 45 idle and 65-70 load.

I haven't done CoreTemp yet, because I have to reboot and disable driver signing on my Vista 64, which causes my G15 LCD not to work for some reason....
12-08-2007, 08:14 PM
ZilverPhish

No need to reboot on vista64 just use,

http://www.overclock.net/attachments...4-vistax64.zip
12-08-2007, 08:28 PM
iadstudio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Just tried 903
could not boot with 425x8 @1.4

seems the 9 series dont like my setup much, thinking I should have went 680i
This board is really pissing me off, last time I had such a fussy board was the A8N-SLI Deluxe

Ha. Funny since I just dumped my 680i for this board. I did like the 680i, but this board handles high fsb clocks with much more consistency. I plan to go with a Q9450 so high fsb is a must.
12-08-2007, 08:29 PM
leoftw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Just tried 903
could not boot with 425x8 @1.4

seems the 9 series dont like my setup much, thinking I should have went 680i
This board is really pissing me off, last time I had such a fussy board was the A8N-SLI Deluxe

You are not the only one but it has potential but after trying hours and hours to get it to 3.6ghz I gave up. Even a 80$ abit Ip35-e can hit 3.6ghz lol . Asus better do something quick .
12-08-2007, 08:44 PM
iadstudio

Quote:

Originally Posted by intothefantasy

alrite wtf is wrong with this board actually...pls sort me out i was like gonna be mad....today i have brought a thermalright 120 ultra extreme with scythe fan...to replace my artic cooling freezer 7...before i replace i was getting 45c in idle at 2.4ghz un oced....after replacing the tr i get the same 45c idle...i was like wtf? i reseat the damn heatsink for 5 times..i still get the same temp...the temp i reading is from everest. speedfan and bios temp monitor...all the same temp...wtf is going here? i supose that damn heatsink should be better then artic cooling

All I can say is the idle temps on my h2o setup was 45c. This HAS to be a bug. My load temps were about what one would expect, but idle was always 45ish once I was on 903. You definately need look at your load temps. My board is on RMA right now (faulty firewire chip) but when it comes back, I'll OC in XP, then boot to Vista and test temps with differnt Bios. We'll see what's causing these temps, but I doubt we're getting acurate idle temps.

IMO, this temp bug is just one indication of how immature the bios is for this board. With any luck, once we start getting some better bios this board will REALLY start to shine. I'm hopeing to hit 500fsb with a Q9450 so Asus better get on those bios revisions.
12-08-2007, 09:11 PM
safan80

vista temps are higher than xp temps for both load and idle.
12-08-2007, 10:28 PM
Nuckin_Futs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I sat on the fence for along time, dual or quad
I know quad is a tad harder to oc and really I am happy with bios 802 so flashing to 903 is really not an issue, but I would like to know why I cant get 450x8 stable when it once was. Its begining to consume all my free time

I cant say for sure. But are you trying with a devider? I noticed that with each recent BIOS, it is tweaking deviders and not realy anything major. So try 1:1 and should be good and and even go beyond that if you know your CPU was good for the FSB to begin with. The quads make high FSB and a devider a bit of a chalange. The other big thing I notice is the strapping for these 1066 chips. stick with Auto and choose deviders for your defult FSB if you want to try them. Just an idea, worked for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlojack

They were static, but seemed high. I had to reseat my Ultra-120 just to be sure, and I did it with a Loonie (Canadian dollar coin) and it's solid as hell now.

The temps I get are pretty consistent, but 8 -10 degrees higher in PC Probe than in CoreTemp

At 4.0 I had 45 degrees idle and as high as 69 under moderate load, but it wasn't stable. Voltage was 1.49.

I could run 3DMark06 but not OCCT. OCCT got me a BSOD.

Anyway, I am running at 3.6 quite stable at 1.44v around the same temp on PC Probe of 45 idle and 65-70 load.

I haven't done CoreTemp yet, because I have to reboot and disable driver signing on my Vista 64, which causes my G15 LCD not to work for some reason....

This sounds normal for the recent BIOS. But if you get 9-10 higher then what BIOS and Everest cores 1&2 temps read then it may be something else. I only had this weirdness on one other ASUS as the P5WD2 premium and it never got resoled and yet no matter what app I used, it read the same so I figured it to be a thermister/sensor issue. It performed the same, just had to know the temps were off so I had to up threashold and stuff lke that.

I'm sure it's something different though here. Keep us posted, cause I have not seen this in any BIOS version so far, other then the pre 602 that read the CPU IHS temp to BIOS (the lower of the 2 temps).
12-08-2007, 10:35 PM
zlojack

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZilverPhish

No need to reboot on vista64 just use,

http://www.overclock.net/attachments...4-vistax64.zip

Thanks man!

I'm getting 39-42 on the different cores with the Q6600 at 3.6

I still need to play with it a bit more to see if I can get that 444 FSB stable...
12-08-2007, 10:40 PM
safan80

I decided I wanted to lower my bridge temps, so I did.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x...ct_1hr_low.jpg

edit: I switched from 1:1 to 4:5 mem ratio.

edit2: broke into 10s on 1M superpi with vista

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x..._x64_super.jpg
12-08-2007, 10:41 PM
mouawad

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBar

I used up to 2.2v with different dividers, stripes, timings and other mem/nb related settings and this damn mb refuses to boot... :mad:

I'm going to return it to the store i bought it. RMA is immediate (good customers have their benefits... ;) ) so it's no prob. The only inconvenience is the lack of time and the dual loop redo...

you've learnt your lesson - don't build loops before you've actually booted the board under air and know it's working.

saves alot of hassle in the long run.
12-08-2007, 10:56 PM
zlojack

Ok, on stock speeds, with my Ultra 120 Extreme, my Q6600 with everything on auto is running 28-33 degrees for the four cores in CoreTemp.

This isn't bad, but I would expect it to be lower, given the supposed cooling properties of the HS.

PC Probe is now reporting insane voltages of 4.08 for SB, SB2, FSBT, DRAM, NB and DRAM Ref.

All the same and all at 4.08... which leads me to believe that something is not reporting right... this only happens on auto.

Also, has anyone else had AISuite simply stop working? Mine crashes every time I open it. I can get it to run, but it doesn't report anything and it doesn't do anything.
12-08-2007, 11:26 PM
iadstudio

Quote:

Originally Posted by safan80

vista temps are higher than xp temps for both load and idle.

Are higher or read higher?

Not that I think it's impossible, but same speed same volts, my temps read 8-10c higher on this board than my evga 680i. Something's up. Could anyone explain to me how this is possible outside of a sensor reading issue?
12-08-2007, 11:39 PM
mouawad

well there's massive vdroop on the 680i board unless you've done the pencil mod.

that might explain the difference.
12-08-2007, 11:45 PM
iadstudio

pencil mod was done. I'm talking about the same fsb, same cpu speed, same volts and the temps are quite different.
12-09-2007, 12:01 AM
mouawad

well my p5k-dlx was slightly warmer than my 680i at the same clocks/volts also.

not as extreme as yours ...maybe 3-4c but it was also much more stable and clocked memory alot better so i just ignored it.

but then my 680i wasn't pencil'd either so .......

how many mounts have you done with the maximus?
12-09-2007, 12:56 AM
iadstudio

only a few, but I think they were all good. Strange thing it temps didn't really change all that much from mount to mount. Lke I said, load temps seemed right, just idle temps that were high. I suppose it could just be the board but I'm curious as to why this happens. Not complaining though, this board kicks a$$ ! Can't wait til I get it back from RMA
12-09-2007, 02:21 AM
loften

well i got mine to turn on tonight.it is still on 401 as of the moment but it all went pretty smooth in xp64. the only little problem was when setting up the raid and clicking on the wrong setting at first, then we figured out i needed to click the ich8/ich9 setting instead of the other one.that little detour took about a extra hour of scratching my mellon. i need to install a few more drivers but i can't believe everything worked.. e6850, all 4 sticks of crucial pc8500 and both 3870's.. after i get it up and going for a few days i may venture into turning up some stuff a little bit. oh yeah and add some water in a few weeks..
12-09-2007, 04:31 AM
ElEctric_EyE

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zucker2k

I think I'm going somewhere with this chip/ram combination. This board is gonna be legendary before asus is done with it....

Nice dude... this is the best I could do at 430x9. Gonna try experimenting at x8 today. You have the same memory as me, woooo! I have high hopes! Is your RAM in the white slots?
12-09-2007, 08:34 AM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

I cant say for sure. But are you trying with a devider? I noticed that with each recent BIOS, it is tweaking deviders and not realy anything major. So try 1:1 and should be good and and even go beyond that if you know your CPU was good for the FSB to begin with. The quads make high FSB and a devider a bit of a chalange. The other big thing I notice is the strapping for these 1066 chips. stick with Auto and choose deviders for your defult FSB if you want to try them. Just an idea, worked for me

Took your advice and ran 1:1 altho its a tad slower on 3dmark but I honestly cant feel a difference, I have it OCCT 1 hour stable:up:
Going to Prime 95 it for the day and see how it holds up
12-09-2007, 08:41 AM
Darkstormz

Last night I was about to reboot, and then the LCD-Poster said "CPU INIT".
I´ve tried everything, reseat cpu + heatsink, remove all crap like ram, harddrives etc.

I managed to flash a bios but i crashed @ 13%. Then I did bios recovery and it posted again. But 1 min later i get CPU INIT again.
Time for RMA or ?
12-09-2007, 09:11 AM
Leithfield

Try disconnecting the power cord - walk away for 15mins and then reactivate; if posts, go into bios and set to factory defaults ... save and shut down ... remove power cord ... wait 10mins and reactivate. Have experienced intermittent CPU INIT errors with overclocking and found this process resolves the issue.

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