@ mrcape: strictly for benching. :D
I've had trd at 9, 10 & 11. Nothing changed so I don't think that's my problem. I thought GTL voltages were mainly for Quad core? Pretty much most of the settings are on auto or default.
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@ mrcape: strictly for benching. :D
I've had trd at 9, 10 & 11. Nothing changed so I don't think that's my problem. I thought GTL voltages were mainly for Quad core? Pretty much most of the settings are on auto or default.
No as you ramp up the fsb, the cpu gtls and vfsb must be set proper. That can differ from cpu to cpu so you gotta play there. But that is fun right? :)
Fun like winning a marathon fun. Not fun like messing around with the woman fun. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
I've left my GTLs at 63/67 thus far. I think the second one can go up to 69. Haven't messed around with those yet. You mean decreasing those can add stability?
I believe this was asked a few pages back, but I don't think I saw anyone answer-
Has anyone run 8gb of ram on this board yet? I have 4gb of G.Skill PC8500, and would like to add another 4gb to my "collection" in the future.
Remember the Quad :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
I have:
GSkill 8500 2x2 which needs 2.3v to run at 500 1-1 (using now 24/7)
4x1 ballistix 6400 4-4-4-12 @2.2 (2 are marked CL11195.NW/97432 and 2 CL11195.NN/97432).
I do not know the specific chips used on either of these sets.
Both of these sets will run 500 1-1 with fairly high NB and FSB voltage (1.55)
If I use memset to change Ras to Cas read/write to 4, I'll get a lockup fairly quickly when
running Prime 2.56/w 4 threads.
I've tried various combinations of settings in bios, but I'm no expert on the finer points of this bios
so maybe I'm missing the obvious. This occurs with multi set to 6,7, or 7.5 (where I am 24/7)
Frankly I think I'm lucky to have a 24/7 setting this high. As I mentioned before, I would like to get the
NB and FSB voltage down and tighten the timings.
I've given up on that for now unless someone has some specific suggestions, in which case I'll try
them carefully and report the results back to the group to be used by future readers.
It would be good to start getting an organized dual and quad OC guide, specific to this mobo, to help folks along.
All hints, tweaks, bios settings, etc. are appreciated.
Yeah it's awesome quad action man! From what I've seen, 4gb is a lot harder to run tight than 2gb, especially if it's 24/7 rock stable and you want to add more than 2.3v.
Enjoy it.
Gee, that was specific :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcape
OK, so I was incorrect on the strap tweaks:
Top one is fresh boot -no FED1403F change but with a tRP=4 and tRFC=48
Next pic is FED1403F=23 (no other strap tweaks) I think I did this right but check me.
Quite a bit of difference in latency and mem speed. A tad slower in WPrime:
/add Note: My machine would not boot with Fine FSB compensation=enabled
i had but now i have it stabilized...it was ultra sensitive in saving at 9.5x...i had to work the vcore, nb, and cpu gtlref %...of course, i am using 64% for MCH GTLREF (445 FSB @ 9.5X).Quote:
Originally Posted by HousERaT
if you haven't tried..try turning off FSB FINE TUNING...see if that makes a difference.
So we have these 2 settings:
FSB Compensation FineTune <- My machine will not boot or boot crashes if it is on
DDR2 Enhance Mode
Does anybody have the slightest clue what either of these do? If anybody has a contact at Biostar this would be a good question to get an answer on.
with a dual core i don't believe the FSB Fine Tune makes any difference..with my quad (9650), i tried it both ways...still can post to boot...i haven't been successful yet to get a P95 off the ground:)..tried enabling and disabling, nada!...might need more Vcore...or...my memory timings could be to tight...Prime 95 is not important to me since i rarely or never use the full four cores at 100%....if i can run 3D benches and PCMark 2005 along with Wprime bench, i will be content.
Disabled FSB Compensation Finetune and just completed my first 32mb superpi at 540 FSB. Couldn't get over 530 before. Was also able to turn down my memory voltage from 2.27 to 2.18. ;)
good show!:up:
New personal best. Accidentally left bios on 8 multi. Surprise, was solid with one more bump of VCore - 1.48v (yeah, I know). Core0 < 60 realtemp
Ace, still waiting for your boots and your WPrime :D
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9...nch3kt7.th.jpg
darn good Wprime!:up:
still working on 500 FSB (8.5x) with my 9650 @ 4250 Mhz...not totally stable as of yet...might go down to 8x to see if that is successful at 500 FSB.
i did an excellent 3D2006 at 4232 Mhz @ 445 FSB @ 9.5x
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddogg
Sweet :shocked: :cool:
What cpu cooling you using ddogg?
I'm now stable enough at 540fsb to produce a 32mb spi. I'd like to see some screenies with 600fsb on air completing 32mb spi. Must be magic timings or a really good cpu/memory combo to get that done. ;)
An old water setup I've used since socket A days when we were bleeding near 200 watts of heat. The nice thing was the Swiftech 600x waterblock works on socket 775 with a 10 buck adapter they offered. I used to have a copper heat sync buried 6ft underground, but it got a leak. Now I use a heater core from a pickup truck in an external rad-box. We were kind of nuts back then :)Quote:
Originally Posted by shaolinchicken
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddogg
dude that setup!!is teh awesome,yet so simple!!! can u please pm me more in detail specs\pics or link atleast to that water setup :eek:
Quote:
Originally Posted by railmeat
I'm impressed!
Very nice ddogg and working a treat.
Has anybody, so far, seen any drawbacks to this board only having 4 phase power? It doesn't look like it from the threads I have read.
did you apply those tweaks to the chipset to get those good times???Quote:
Originally Posted by ddogg
Nope, just as shown with clean boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
BTW, I had noticed many screenshots with the cpu skew thingy set to 200ms. When I tried this my machine would not boot. So, I'm thinking not to use this with quads.
Basically auto on everything except setting divider to 1-1, 64 on the Mch, PL9, no finetune, 1.55v to NB and FSB, 2.3 to ddr, 1.48 VCore
Bad stuff happens everytime I try to tweak a bios setting out of the auto setting - so when in doubt, leave it in auto including strap and all ram settings except PL-9/10.
I think you may not get to 500 stable without using some other ram unless maybe you try 6-6-6-18. It is just so damn sensitive to the ram when using a quad. I tried 4 sets, and the Mushkin 6400 was very much like your GSkill 8000 whereas that same Mushkin would run at 525-550 topside on the IP35XE w/8400 with a 5/6 multi. As mentioned the Dominator 8500 could not break 400 on this board while it would run 500+ on the IP35 w/8400
What happens when you do 1 stick single channel?
i never seen that low of Wprime at 4 ghz...that time would be more appropiate for 4.2-4.3 ghz cpu speed
EDIT:...which operating system are you using for the Wprime run?
Here's my superpi 32M time.
I'm still about 30 seconds off where I know I could be.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=208
youngpro gets 10m55secs at 4015mhz.
I'm at 11m32secs at 4002mhz.
My times are getting better and I actually broke th 50ns latency barrier today with some more tweaks. I still feel that I have a long ways to go to get this board to where I want.
http://www.johnshim.com/forums/xtrem...ore.cdt-iv.jpg
definitely the bios needs tweaking for the Quad...it did very well for my E8500...of course, i reached about 4.4 ghz at 520 FSB for the E8500...right now i can get to 510 FSB with my QX9650 but the latencies are a bit high and therefore, not getting as strong performance...it is really weird since i am using the same memory...i am trying some corsair dominators that are DDR-1143...not much difference between the corsair's & GSkill DDR-800 in performance.
i reflashed the bios...i also flashed the bootblock, nvram...it did make a difference for the DDR recomp configuration...auto and the sub settings are working with the corsair ram...i will check the gskill later on today to see if they work as advertised.
is youngpro using the super pi chipset tweaker program to get that better time?Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
i am wondering if the boards have various revisions of the NB on them and that accounts for better times...my first board was used for the E8500...this 2nd board might be different with a chipset revision...i never checked but something to consider....the first board was down to about 52ns at 520 fsb for the E8500...now, it won't go below 58ns or 62ns at 510 fsb with the 9650 installed.
EDIT...maybe the first NB chipset was higher binned chipset...this one might suck eggs!:D
What board rev do you guys have i got 5.1 but have seen 5.0 are there ne newer than 5.1
There can be major boost in 32M with good tweaking (mem, NB/strap, OS) and Spitweaker helps also when you know how to use it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Ace, I might have done those strap tweaks. I got thinking about it so rebooted at 8x, did the tweaks and ran WPrime again. I got more or less what I got in the earlier screen which makes me think they must have been in. Maybe I'll reboot and run Wprime again without the tweaks for sure and see if it makes any difference.
HWBot
/edit (first screen shot)
Wprime 1.63 no tweaks
/Add: (second validation screen shot - WPrime 1.55)
You have to use V1.55 to submit to hwbot. With 1.55 the times are not as good - 9.753 for 32 and 304.746 for 1024m (5-5-4-15 with Strap Tweaks).
I would have to guess there are more than one revision of this board. If you look at some of the earlier screenshots of these boards, folks using setfsb have the ICS9LPRS918BKL chip. Mine has the ICS9LPRS919BKL chip. Don't know if that means more than one revision but I thought I'd put it out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
anyone else have a problem where the marvell sata chip disable option doesnt work?
I have been looking for WHERE to turn it off but haven't found it as of yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lome
Config Onboard PCI/PCI-E Devices under advanced but default is off wtf lol
Nudged it up a bit: Second now to a Cascade rig.
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/4...al02ak8.th.jpg
@Lome, thanks for the c1e disabler. Saves me a lot of aggravation.
@Ace, I changed the CPU PLL down to 1.5 - Seems more stable. I can Prime 2.56x4 thread on blend at 490 3.926 ghz. Seem to remember I could not hold that with CPU PLL @ 1.6. Might be something else, but could be worth trying.
yeah, i found 1.6v cpu pll as non workable the other evening...i leave that now at 1.5.
as for the C1E, i noticed there are two options in the bios that need to be disable to keep your voltage from dropping....the 1st "C1E" is under the "Advanced" tab in 'CPU CONFIGURATION'...the 2nd "C1E" enable/disable feature is under the 'O.N.E.' tab..look in "CPU CONFIGURATION"...very strange to have two C1E settings...anyway look in those two spots.
EDIT:...i presume everyone knows that Intel's Speed-Step disable/enable feature is at the top of the page under "O.N.E." tab when you are in manual overclock.
also, another little tidbit for those who didn't know before hand..after you boot into windows the LED 'Post Code' on the board reads out cpu temperature while in windows.
just figured this one out too!
under the ONE tab you have a sub setting called "DDR2 ENHANCED MODE"...that setting lowers the chipset latencies (when enabled or Auto)....turning it off (disabled) gives you a significant hit on copy and some reduction on read speeds, plus it increases your latencies by about 5-7 points!
having that disabled is the main reason i am able to get into windows with my QX9650 at 500 or 510 FSB...plus, i need to set CPU Clock at 100ps, MCH at 200ps, another setting at 100ps and 1000mv to boot successfully into windows at 500 or 510 FSB with the DDR2 Enhanced Mode disabled.
looks as if 470 FSB using 5:6 memory divider (564 memory Mhz) is about it for my Corsair Dominator DDR2-1142 memory (max of 571 mhz)...i am using 2.1v for a Vdimm...not into pushing any more since previously, i killed one of the sticks using 2.5 Vdimm for about 2 hours.
most times people complain about degradation of the cpu and i wonder if it is not degradation of the memory when we go beyond a certain Vdimm.
EDIT...final 3D and other benches to come.
I have a new superpi32M best at 4ghz. :)
http://www.johnshim.com/forums/xtrem...kmore.cdts.jpg
I swear I messed with the enhanced mem setting before and I thought it did nothing but it appears to actually work. I am on the 6/26 bios instead though.
I'll flash back to 7/10 to see if it effects it with that bios as well.
VERY NICE!:up:...so...if biostar bios engineers get on the stick, we can enjoy that or close to it with an updated bios
yeah or if they allow for some more control of the mem like dfi or asus we might be able to tweak most of the mem settings in the bios.
i'm glad i didn't give up on this board though i was SOOOOO close. :)
try Hyper-PI 0.99...i like that better than Super-Pi 1.5 version...you can do 1-4 cores and you can do it real time...AND...cutout all the fluff!
:clap: shimmishimQuote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
I test the board since saturday and I'm not so much impressed, I miss the µguru from my IP35 pro, the tune power soft doesn't work really well or I don't find the good way.
This board was supposed to break the 600 fsb easily and I got a reall pain to just screen at 600 mhz with setfsb (Can't boot over 566 !).
My ram need to slow down their timing to get the 600 mhz ( was trfc at 28 and PL 5 under the IP35 pro :shocked: when I have to set it at trfc 56:down:
and PL9 or 10 weird)
I hate this AMI bios, the voltage have too big increment , would like to have 0.05v increment , I cant choose 2.25 v for my ram I have 2.2v or 2.3 v too big ! same on the other voltage too bad, I can't see the exact value of voltage aka 1.25v on my cpu insteed of this weird + 0.050 v .
Ok it's a budget board but I expected much from this .
And last thing, it's the lack of fans connector, damned only 3 it's not enough for my taste, at least they seems to be fully controllable by bios ( a good point there)
switch over to Abit's IX48 GT3..that will take care of your problem.
trutfully, i have not tried for 600 FSB..i look for a reasonable overclock...with this board, my E8500 performed much better than on Giga's X48T board...i mean this is all relative....even my QX9650 would post to boot at 510 FSB...i could not even do that on any board to date!
if you were able to get down to PL=5 on the IP35 Pro, i tip my hat to you!..the lowest i could get on the IP35 Pro was PL=7...DAMN!...you have some EXCELLENT ram!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomati
first of all, i never said 600 FSB...i said you will get some where between 550 and 570 FSB with an E8600, E8500 or E8400.
you need to work on "Clock Gen Configuration" settings under "O.N.E." tab
it is not the AMI bios at fault; it's Biostar's Bios Engineers who did not think the voltage increments out properly...i agree...very unintelligent engineering!Quote:
I hate this AMI bios, the voltage have too big increment , would like to have 0.05v increment , I cant choose 2.25 v for my ram I have 2.2v or 2.3 v too big ! same on the other voltage too bad, I can't see the exact value of voltage aka 1.25v on my cpu insteed of this weird + 0.050 v .
REALLY!...IP35 Pro was almost a $200 board when it came out last year!...price per barrel has doubled since that time and guess what, PCB is a derviative of oil...SO...it is more expensive to build these motherboards!...make sense!:shrug:Quote:
Ok it's a budget board but I expected much from this .
you are just SPOILED!:yepp:Quote:
And last thing, it's the lack of fans connector, damned only 3 it's not enough for my taste, at least they seems to be fully controllable by bios ( a good point there)
well i found some problems in the bios related to disabling the marvell sata chip (double bios options and double roms), i tried to remove the extra rom set but this resulted in a non-posting board.
does anyone have any experiance hotflashing these type of bios chips? Ive got an asus g35 board with the same bios socket.
other than that i have to say im impressed with this board other than the large voltage steps and flakey parts of the bios was able to run right up to the limit of my ram (535) easier than any other board ive tried
hope they get a proper bios for this thing soon, i know the board is selling well.
It will only work if the ASUS bios is a 1meg bios. Assuming it is, prepare a floppy, CD, or much preferred Data Stick to be real mode DOS bootable, and copy the desired bios and latest AFUDOS.exe to the bootable device.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lome
Loosen the ASUS bios chip up by removing and re-installing a few times before turning the system on. Don't push the bios chip all the way down when re-installing it, but about half way. It will be easier to get out when the system is running. I use a small screwdriver to remove the chip while the system is running, but the tip is insulated with tape.
There is a special "switch" needed to flash a BIOS for a different board using AFUDOS.
Example:
C:\>AFUDOS.exe P45AA710.BST /X
Boot the ASUS to the real mode device, switch chips, flash I45 bios, done.
check hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Lome
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=164
thanks for the help J and G, couldnt get afudos to go, tried a bunch of different versions, kept saying romid mismatch and the /X switch didnt work on any, but the amiboot.rom on usb stick worked.
-Thanks:clap:
Sorry I forgot some detailQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
I tried an E8600 under the biostar , with this cpu I was able to reach 650 fsb with a friend's P5E3 premium in single channel via setfsb and boot at 620 fsb in dual so the cpu is able to catch over 600 fsb, the trouble is the biostar can't achieved this as easily as I tough, and probably there will be no point for any stability, that's what frustrating me.
For my IP35 pro , I just set 9 x 400 fsb (q6600) with ram at 1200 and memset give me PL = 5 , original trfc is 42 from ballistix and I was able to tight it to 28.
You probably right I was expecting too much.
Another nudge up - Getting closer to the top spot. Dropped the 1024 WPrime over a second.
http://i36.tinypic.com/2rgkrxg.jpg
600+ fsb is mostly in your ram, as long as you have 8000 series cpu, but volts need to be high and mch is gonna be so loose not worth it except if you have a complex about your penis size
My ram can reach above 600 ( ~625 mhz with 2.35v) but I can't achieved this with the biostar and as you said , require too much volt on NB .Quote:
Originally Posted by Lome
Anybody know what's the max safe voltage for 24/7 use with this 45µm ( right ?) NB ?
heh-heh, hey bevis, he said penis, heh-heh :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lome
this is about it for the quad...i am about 200 mhz below my E8500.
one thing i recommend users of this board to do is re-flash the 710 bios from DOS...go here to get the bios and flashing EXE..compliments of The Rebels Haven
the best thing to do is to make your USB flash drive into a FAT32 bootable drive...here is the tool to turn your USB drive into a bootable drive...compliments of Extreme Overclocking...don't forget to also download the 98 boot files on the same page...it will need those to put them on your USB drive.
i used this flash comand: C:\AFUDOS23.EXE(space)P45AA710.BSP(space)/B /N /P (space between each switch option)
you will need to rename the AFUDOS since it has 9 alpha-numeric characters ahead of the EXE...DOS won't accept any more than 8 alpha-numeric characters.
OPTION B= PROGRAM BOOTBLOCK
OPTION N= PROGRAM NVRAM
OPTION P= PROGRAM MAIN BIOS
doing this re-flash opened up the ability to use all 4 DDR2 Recomp Configurations...before, i could only use Configuration 3...now i can use/try all 4...i found number 4 was the best and it allowed me to post to boot at PL=7...my QX9650 worked much better since flashing.
EDIT:...of course, the flashing procedure is not for those who are unsure...risks are there for mishaps...if you have a burp in your house electricity at the time you are flashing, it could render the board as inoperable...just something to think about.
MOST IMPORTANT PART OF FLASHING, DO NOT OVERCLOCK WHILE ATTEMPTING TO FLASH.
some benches to ponder;)
used windows XP
Ace-a-Rue,
Would you be willing to run a DPC Latency test on your motherboard?
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml
thanks,
Ron
this looks like it checks the driver integration with the OS..right?Quote:
Originally Posted by rostrow
Right.
For some reason the test results also depend a lot on the bios. Gigabyte boards allegedly have problems with this test.
i suspect this test will probably reveal memory timings that are to tight!
i am not as satisfied with my QX9650 results...obviously the bios has problems dealing with a dual L2 cache...i see the low end 9450's doing well since they have one common or shared L2 like the dual cores...i believe my limitations are directly related to that!
I picked up a TPower i45 today to replace my failed P35 mobo. It was working fine at 3.2Ghz with my quad, so I kicked it up to 3.6(I run 3.76 normally). The system soft restarted a few times, and hasn't booted since. I've reset the bios via the jumper, no luck. After running through a few codes, I see a 63 on the LCD display, it occasionally flashes to 93. Both codes are bios related, but the board had been working fine for hours on the bios that I flashed on it as soon as I booted it. I purchased one of these boards previously a couple months ago, and the same thing happened to me. I returned it at that point, but would like to find out what the heck is happening with them. Anyone else see this happening? Surely I can't be the only person, since this has happened to me on two boards.
--Matt
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
always when you have a problem like this is to unplug the PSU, clear CMOS, pop the battery out and also push the board power button to unload the caps!
wait 5-10 minutes...if this does not correct the problem and get you back to a post screen, i would suspect either bad RAM or a PSU.
make sure you unplug everything from the board...even the ATX power to the board plus the CPU 12V...the PSU can hold power in its own caps for an extended period...you don't want that to feed the board...i would even yank your memory while clearing CMOS with the battery out.
when you get ready to start up, install only one stick of memory and the video card...you just want bare minimums to make it post so you can get into the bios.
if you make it into the bios, load optimal bios settings and save!
i hope this works for you.
Here is a rapid test for the Everest BAndwith @ 4 ghz ( 10 x 400 / ram @ 600)
http://pix.nofrag.com/4/9/5/2d9d5b6a...6cf44220tt.jpg
I found the read value is a little bit too low ( expected in sub 10000) read is fine while copy is very weak on this board , with my q6600 on IP35 pro I have for (9 x 400 / ram 600) ~ 9800 read /
I have flashed the board after this try with the 710 bios and I will make a new test in the same condition.
I set my ram as tight I could with memset, PL5 frooze the PC, I can go on TRFC = 25 but
@ ace-a-rue, I'm impressed by your bandwith as the 3 value are very regular compared to mine.
I still has tried to hit the 600 fsb with the shared P1T1 settings found in Rebell heaven's forum but with no more succes so far.
here you go!Quote:
Originally Posted by rostrow
where is "DDR2 Enhanced Mode" set to?...i have mine enabled...that could be the reason for your low "Copy" speed...also set the "NVRAM" to clear for the next bios save to get the old garbage out of there.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomati
:clap: ace-a-rue,
you got the clue :up:
this is with the DDR2 Enhanced Mode activated now
http://pix.nofrag.com/6/a/0/c8508886...08546703tt.jpg
real much better :)
I wiill continue my test
edit : I'm able to boot at PL=6 with trfc @ 28 but I'm only @ 400 fsb while my ram is set @ 600 don't know if it's relative too the flash ? and I had cleaned the NVram as you suggested before.
Matt, I'm feeling your pain - see post 164 to fix the bios, and post 196 for a setting to keep it from happening again. "Change the MCH GTL REF voltage from AUTO to 0.64xVTT ..."Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
i think p45 is 65nmQuote:
Originally Posted by tomati
if so id say bout 1.6 is max safe 24/7
bios is very buggy, my raid card (perc 5/i) only comes up after a power down reset, the reload function doesnt work properly after an oc failure, my x1850 wont post with the 8x8 jumpers set (works on other (giga) p45), cant disable the onboard marvell chip, double option in the bios, double roms in the bios, etc.
Wow, what a pain. That seems to have gotten it posting again. No chance to attempt the OC before work though. We'll give that a shot later.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddogg
Thanks!
-Matt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lome
thanks for the tip ;)
40GP 32M, not really fast , I don't know exactly why ? DDR2 mode and FSB tune activated, ram profil 4 + tweak via memset ( PL7 froze the PC)
12m35s 40GP 32M
http://images4.hiboox.com/vignettes/...a568c50aa6.png
bandwith @ 4ghz 8*500 / ram 625 (strap 266) + tweak via memset
10606 / 10651 / 10803 / 49.4ns
http://images4.hiboox.com/vignettes/...c5b0590840.png
Unfortunatelly I can't get a 40GP 32M with these settings, tried with more vram ( 2.4) , loosing the ram timing ( PL and trfc ) but so far no way
Strange thing is that with PL9 I got better timing than with PL8 before it crashed ???
bandwith @ 4ghz 7.5 * 533 cas4 ram 1:1
10298 / 11290 / 11095 / 48.5ns
http://images4.hiboox.com/vignettes/...28a2538a33.png
bandwith @ 4ghz 7*572 cas4
10700 / 12093 / 11714 / 47.6ns
http://images4.hiboox.com/vignettes/...266aea4689.png
anyone know if the 9800GX2 issue ever got fixed with this board?
Very nice fsb for a quad core :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by ddogg
Very promising board :)
What kind of cooling do you have on the cpu and on the motherboard?
Something is really wrong with this motherboard and its ram voltage , now for over 1 week i am trying to get a stable work @ 550+ but no luck , my memory and cpu are able to do 580 stable or even 600 on P965 , the OCZ ram in the 965 mobo require 2.2v for 600 mhz while in the biostar 2.3 v for 550 mhz no even stable i tried most voltage configuration but no luck , In order to boot (bios only) over 550 i require 2.4-3-2.4- and 2.5 v for 580 FSB witch is a huge .
Currently the motherboard is very stable @ 520 1:1 with 2.1 memory volt . Even +0.7 volt on the chipset do not help
http://xtupload.com/imgageoutput.php...52untitled.jpg
work in progress ; any tips will e appreciated :D
I had to relax the performance level to get over 530. Try 10 or 11.
ok, i miss-read you previous post...i thought you were not posting any longer...you board was just not booting...mmm, i hate that when i read it wrong!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
Quote:
Originally Posted by HousERaT
Tried even 15 , do not helpQuote:
that seems to work and it is not a whole lot lost using 10 versus 9.
that seems to work and it is not a whole lot lost using 10 versus 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by HousERaT
how do you have your "Clock Gen Configuration" set up???Quote:
Originally Posted by makaka
it might be wise to set 100ps for cpu skew and 200ps or 300ps for MCH skew control...and...cpu clock driving control at 900mv or 1000mv.
No, you had it right. It wasn't posting. All I'd get is an E9 (or maybe 63?). I followed the directions in those two other posts that were referenced(164 and 196), and I'm able to post and boot again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
--Matt
I was benching 3D last night at 575fsb and my settings are close to what you're advising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
@mattkosem: If Ace's settings don't get you stable try mine:
CPU SKEW 200ps
MCH SKEW 100ps
Driving Control 800mV
PLL voltage 1.6
NBV .350
fsb .325
Memory AUTO
PL 11 (you should be able to do 10 or 9 between 500-530 if you have good ram).
That's all I remember off the top of my head.
These setting are real picky so be prepared to spend some time trying to find out what works for you.
The RaT
Are those safe 24/7 values? +.350 on the NB and +.325 on the VTT seems a bit high. On my 1.1VTT chip, that'd put me at 1.425 (which, IIRC, is .025 past the safe zone). Is the NB safe on that much voltage? Pardon my hesitance, I killed my P35 at 1.7v yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by HousERaT
--Matt
Those volts are on the fringe of being safe. Honestly you shouldn't need that much for where you are. Keep in mind that what I posted is at 575 x 8. I'd start out at .300 for both and see if that's enough to help.
Ok, I'll see what it takes. I was running 1.28 on the VTT with my old board for 3.76, and it (DFI Blood Iron) is not exactly a well-known quad-core clocker. TBQH, I've never even taken the VID on this processor past 1.34. Maybe I'll have an opportunity now that I'm under water again. Should .64 on the MCH GTL be okay for FSBs approaching 500?Quote:
Originally Posted by HousERaT
--Matt
I'd leave that at stock unless it won't get to windows. I actually had to decrease those the higher I went.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
if you are going to push any voltage just make sure the PWM and NB have an excellent thermal paste to transfer the heat...normally, board makers use a thin grey or brown TIM material which does not do very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
those kind of issues made me come up with IP35 Pro Heatpipe mod...i am thinking of removing the heatpipe coolers and SB cooler on this board to remove the TIM and then, apply AS Ceramique thermal paste...i like that paste since it is totally non-conductive..alternative paste to use is MX2, which is also non-conductive.
@Ace-a-Rue: Is it just paste on the I45 or are they cemented on like other board makers are doing these days?
i have not seen any of them cemented on...which boards have you seen that way with the heatpipe system?Quote:
Originally Posted by HousERaT
here you go boys, just got started.
16GB 800gold 5-5-5-15, tweaking it out a little, not much overclocking but there is room to tweak.
Thanks for notice , tried all possible setting 200 ps and above , . Note the motherboard refuse to boot with PS over 700 .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
cpu clock driving control was set to 700-800-900- and 100 mv but no help .
The motherboard can post up to 580 mhz but the most stable is 525 mhz or even a bit lower ,
the LCD screen show SP or C1 and hang usually there :mad:
Here is the most that i can get
http://xtupload.com/imgageoutput.php...57untitled.jpg
Please help to archive 570 +stable , when i got this motherboard i was looking for 600x8.5 and yes my cpu can do it :D
Waiting for more info
current setting :
CPu + 0.35 v
memory +0.3 v (lowring this value is possible)
Chipset +0.35 v (lowring this value is possible - with 0.2v there was no stability problem) . just left this setting to lazy to update it
GTl xxx:0.63
GTL xxx:0.67
GTl MCH : auto
Cpu PLL v : 1.5 or 1.6 do no make any deference .
CPU SKEW 100ps-200 ps or ... 700ps even auto do not make any defernce
MCH SKEW 100ps-200 ps or ... 700ps even auto do not make any deference
Driving Control auto or any other do not make any deference
PLS help
hmmmm..16gb is a hefty amount of memory...are you sure???...in the manual, it says maximum amount of memory is 8 GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
EDIT:...i took another look at your image and by gosh you show 16gb of memory...how did you do that!:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by makaka
recommendations in red above.
something might jive for you.
unfortunately getting similar results from board to board is elusive...on my E8500 on Giga's X48T-DQ6 (DDR3), i got up to 535-540 fsb but it wasn't stable...i finally backed it down to 520 but still i had hang ups...not until 500 FSB did it work properly..now, on this biostar board, 520 is a good working fsb for the same E8500...go figure!:)
tried your setting i was able to boot windows with 560 but it was ultra unstable , and hunged in the memory test Everest . Now @ 550 Mhz it can do some bench but as u see in the screen shot memory test show error just after 6 % (512 mb) .
http://xtupload.com/imgageoutput.php...79untitled.jpg
current setting :
CPu + 0.30 v
memory +0.3 v
Chipset +0.50v
GTl xxx:0.63
GTL xxx:0.63
GTl MCH : 64%
Cpu PLL v : 1.5
CPU SKEW 100ps
MCH SKEW 300ps
cpu Driving Control 1000mv
ANy other idea ?
i can get 600 easy.
try vtt or vfsb +0.325 to +0.4
also try vnb +0.6 and make sure you have a fan over it.
Thanks i already tried 0.4 vfsb and and VNB up to +0.7 (max ):D:D and yes i have a fan over it , tomorrow i will replace the stock heat sink and see if it making a good contact with the north bridge :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
you are on the right track.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaka
try increasing tRAS = 24; tRFC = 68; "write to precharge delay" = 17; "w to r delay (same rank)" = 14.
see if those four help stabilize your memory test.
thanks .Quote:
you are on the right track.
try increasing tRAS = 24; tRFC = 68; "write to precharge delay" = 17; "w to r delay (same rank)" = 14.
see if those four help stabilize your memory test.
Here is my memory SPD just for reference the same memory was running with in P965 with 5-5-5-15- (tRFC = 32) up to 620 mhz Super pi 21 mb stable.
http://xtupload.com/imgageoutput.php...76untitled.jpg
I will try and report , hold on .
Those setting result in no boot for the first too time then BOSD just after loading the windows look like the OCZ reaper 9200 heat relaxed timing:D:D:D
this is very COOL...a great exchange of information and ideas!:up:
i have a low SPD for tRAS and tRFC, but it doesn't work according to plan:D
one other suggestion...set the memory timing, in the bios, that has three "3's" in a row in the bios...i am doing a test right now so i can not get to the bios to give you the correct nomenclature....it is about in the middle of the row from top to bottom...you need to change those to number "4"; all three of them, if you haven't done it already!
where is your performance level and what DDR2 Comp Reconfig?Quote:
Originally Posted by makaka
i went from 470 FSB on my QX9650 to 475 FSB and it would not post correctly...finally, i had to set the PL=9 (was '7') and move my DDR2 Comp Reconfig to '3' (was 4).
changes in memory timings requires those other settings to be adjusted.