What tRFC you are running? My board is quite sensitive with 2GB sticks if I use low tRFC timings.Quote:
Originally Posted by tty
What tRFC you are running? My board is quite sensitive with 2GB sticks if I use low tRFC timings.Quote:
Originally Posted by tty
I trying my luck in this o/c compy...
kekeke...
Come support me guys.. :p:
thanks...
using bios 1.83 me...
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/sh...846109&page=12
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...validation.jpg
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=303396
Praying hard..
Hope i stand a chance... :D
1.15 is the VID.Quote:
Originally Posted by dropglock
The voltage set in bios was 1.45v...
very high for a 45nm chip... :(
I will test an e2140 on monday on this board :D
Also going to test this board with some D9 to test the max fsb. Max fsb i hit so far is 528 with a passiv cooled NB.
This is it using bios 1.1 and 1000MHz. It's set to default, no time for testing more now, but I did a SPi (4x) for about half an hour and no errors.
That is using 2.0v.
Thanks for your info.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyemarn
I'm using the 1.83bios now. :D
I highly recommend you to update your BIOS to 1.6 or higher and try with that one to see if you don't have issues with sound card/PCI Express This could help with the multiplier too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragzarok
Try upping a bit voltage for FSB VTT to 1.325 or 1.35.
Also you should up SB I/O Pwr to 1.6 or 1.7, Not the SB core.
You should disable PCI Express Spectrum for better overclocking. (at the bottom, in the Cell Menu).
Clon22, what are your temps with that E2140 at 3.7?, Idle / Load / Ambient
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=42
The MSI Neo-FR giving 225C!!! And burned also a piece of the motherboard. This was the motherboard I was going to get too since it's being said that it can boot into 8400 with no problems at all with the earlier bios. DAMN! DAMN! :dammit: :censored: Some say the P5K would boot 8400 out of the box, some say it doesn't so I'm stuck on that too. I don't know what to really get now...
Dude I'm overclocking a quad core Q6600 to 3.6GHz and I can touch those mosfets with my finger, they're hot but no more than 50-60C. That 220C is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. Who knows what they did to that board.Quote:
Originally Posted by dropglock
Sorry, can you show me some screenshots? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by tty
Maybe this is due to the 4 Phase Design on this board, if you are gonna user a CPU with a TDP higher than 85 watts (quads) i guess you should look for another board :).
I will stay with my dual core at safe voltages/frequencies :D
Those temps are too high, unless they volt-modded the board i guess it's fake.
Those temps are way too high. From the look of the board, it's either the Neo Combo-F or the Neo-F, definitely not the Neo2-FR.
Running a Neo2-FR with a 4.15ghz Q6600, the mosfets on mine read about 110F using an infared temp sensor.
dropglock first of all, no mosfet can take up to 220C, normally they f*** up at around 100-120C.
The maximum mosfet temperature I had on a motherboard was 80C measured with a probe but that was when I overclocked a dual P4 prescott to a serious 220W consumption.
I'm sure it's a fake or they voltmoded the board for some weird 8GHz experiment or stuff like that.
I don't have time to put a probe there right now, I don't even bother cause when I touch the base of the heatsink there is just warm.
200+ is alittle exaggerated...
Maybe a little tough luck i guess... :)
My guess is that the 193 temp was in Fahrenheit, not celsius. That would make it ~90c, which is easily remedied by either sinks or a fan.
Thanks Guys. I really hope you guys are correct. I am going to go with the Neo2-FR then, hopefully nothing goes wrong :(
Hi all,
Anyone can tell me how much is vdrop with quadcore (oc)?
What do you guys think is the best bios version atm? im using right now 1.63b which seems to be fine. do you know if theres a modbios for "real" undervolting?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arne
FYI 1.7 is officially released
New to this forum.
Just built new rig using v1.1 Neo2-FR running the B09 bios, also tried 1.5, 1.6, 1.7. Think I finally have it stable on my E6300 @ 3428Mhz, OCZ Reaper 9200 (the black kind with the heatpipe riser) running at 1175Mhz 5-5-5-15-32. Was running memory at 2.3V in Bios but speedfan 4.33 reporting Vram at 2.45V??? Changed it to 2.1 and speedfan still reported Vram as 2.45V, no change. This mem is rated up to 2.4V so it is a bit over spec but it runs fine at the bios setting of 2.1V. I suspect speedfan is reporting incorrectly so would like to poke around and get the real voltage with my DMM.
Also the vCore selected in BIOS differs ALOT! I have to select 1.525 to get 1.5 idle then that give me Vdroop to 1.46-7 at load. I am aming to get only (Lol) 1.45-6 after vDroop but it just doesnt seem to be possible with any bios vCore selection with any of the Bios I have tried.
Also, trying to run 2 Powercolor PCS 3870s in Xfire. Singly the cards run at least as 880/1251... but in Xfire if I move the mem settings at all it becomes quite unstable. Wondering if any of you have a similar setup and/or expierence similar problems. For info I have the Moles plugged in to the M/b, Use a Thermaltake Power Express GPU PSU for one card and on 6 pin PCIe power lead from a Hiper Type R 580W, set 2nd 4X Pcie @ 100, 104, 110 also tried sing bridge and bot bridge dongles at same time. Also the X4 slot doesnt seem to communicate well with the x16 slot, very bandwidth limited. Very frustrating!
Thanx for any help with either issue!
Daz
Why not try latest beta BIOS 1.83. Nice clocks you get there with your 6300. I think speedfan reads vdimm wrongly so you don't need to worry. The Vdroop is not too bad actually. Mine idles 0.02V lower and 0.04V~0.05V lower under load. Too bad, P35 is not an ideal chipset for multi GPU setup. The x4 slot really kills the bandwith especially with a high-end card. You can do further readings here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazman
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/...s_pci_express/
I suggest you get a X38 board if you are serious into multi GPU setup.
One of the mosfets near the the DIMM sockets is for vDIMM, the other two are for the 5v line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazman
Two of the mosfets right above the CPU socket are for vCore, the other one is for the 12v line.
Don't trust any voltage reading from Speedfan
I know that thanks;)Quote:
Originally Posted by heikis
Im going to try newest beta this week:)
Couldn't run 4x1GB memory on this board without pressing F4 in the Cell Menu and setting the values as in the picture.
The CPU is a Q6600@400x9=3.6GHz, memory is tested to work perfectly on this board in 2x1GB at 1200MHz 5-5-5-12, however, due to a stupid bios limitation I cannot run it more than 1000MHz 5-4-4-12. As Anandtech has outlined well, it's a crappy glitch. Tried to up vmem or vmch, no result. :(
You have a very cool processor there! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] DragonOrta
4.2ghz.
Powerful! :D...
Cool! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
I managed to upped my E2140 alittle.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=303416
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...validation.jpg
What's the deal with the FSB jumper on this board?
Does it set the MCH strap / timings?
Is there the option to adjust "Performance Level" (aka tRD) in the BIOS?
Thanks
No option for PL (tRD) in BIOS.
I have an e2140 L725A here, and it clocks horrible. Max is 3050mhz :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by clon22
Which voltage settings did u use?
Did you tried max FSB ?Quote:
Originally Posted by caligula
I'm using madness voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
1.625v to hit that.
hehehe.... :p
Usual running 3.2ghz @ 1.4v. :)
Performance Level is affected by setting TRFC in bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo Mahoney
For example on my 2x2GB Adata if I set 54 performance level is 8 and if I set it to 48 is 7.
this 1.83 beta bios pwns , i have Transcend aXeRam 2x1 + OCZ XTC Titanium EPP running for now @ 456Mhz - 4-4-4-14 -6-6-6-6 +PL @7 , couldn't do this with 1.7beta3 . Another thing ... i can now run my Xeon 0.5V core less then on 1.7 0_o , interesting.
The max FSB I can get my my Neo2-FR (1.83B and Rev. 1.1) and E8400 (Q745A) is 505fsb, which is disappointing. It isn't a huge problem but I had DDR1000 ram and wanted to have the FSB above 500fsb. Currently running it @4.3ghz (478 X 9) with 1.38v under load, and it ran 9.5 hours Orthos Blend Stable without any errors. Any tips on getting my FSB any higher, I have ran up the VTT and NB Voltage and still no go.
have you tried setting the jumpers below the first PCI-E x16 slot to 333fsb?
I am pretty postive I set the jumpers to the 333fsb stap but I'll just double check as the FSB I recorded on the board and CPU don't mirror others results one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] DragonOrta
Checked if the jumpers and they where set-up correctly (333 setting). I wonder whats holding me back, and body else with a wolfdale and a P35 Neo2? What are your results and what setting used, BIOS, etc.
I'm using an E8400.
1st one was Q748, pretty yucky.
Max fsb was 530 but need 1.475v for 4ghz and 1.6v for 4.2ghz.
The 2nd one is better. :D
1.27v for 4ghz, 1.5375v for 4.5ghz.
Have yet to test max fsb on this one.
:)
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9...7681cx8.th.jpg
here's mine... :D
Have anyone tested this board with 4x1Gb D9GXX? Thinking about buying another pair of 8500 Ballistix. What could I expect with ~2,3 volts 24/7?
1200Mhz 5-5-5-15?
You're still on ver1.0 bios...Quote:
Originally Posted by StyM
Flash to 1.1 would be gd thou... :D
If on wolfdale, 1.7 and up. :)
It is not possible to run very high clocks on that Board. I can't give reasons for that but i made this experience twice (with xp-8500 of mushkin and crucial 8500er ballistix).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Leary
But hey, the performance is even good with such "low" clocks so don't worry:cool:
I have a Q745 and the max I am getting for fsb is around 530fsb, but it clocks great besides that. I have ram that does 550mhz and it would be awesome if I could do 550fsb x 8...Quote:
Originally Posted by clon22
Bios is getting better. Apart from the good old 1.10 now 1.83 and 1.84 seem stable and clock high enough.
THX for the info, i'll try that:up:
How's your v1.84?? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tty
MSI seems like releasing beta BIOS every one or two weeks. I've flashed more than 10times since owning the board for around 3 months. Would excessive flashing damage the BIOS chip?
1.84 is the same as 1.83 except that it fixes some reboot problems on 8xxx cpu. Thats what I heard.
About bios flashing:
"In the earliest EAROMs, this might occur after as few as 1,000 write cycles, while in modern Flash EEPROM the endurance may exceed 1,000,000, but it is by no means infinite."
In other words don't worry about flashing, I don't see myself flashing over 100 times not to mention 1 million.
I must admit I flashed the bios on this board about 30 times by now.
And some good news. I got this 2x2GB Adata 800+ extreme memory ($100+). It works up to 1120MHz on this board using only 2.2v and 5-5-5-15-48 .
Currently running at 1066MHz 5-5-5-15 2.05v .
can someone link me to the 1.84 beta ... cheers!
Here it is:
Bios 1.84
thanks, got it !
Good to hear that. From my experience, this board needs loose tRFC value to OC 2GB sticks. What do you think about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by tty
Thanks for the info. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tty
Haven't tried max fsb...Quote:
Originally Posted by turtleonviagra
will try when i have time...
kekeke..
:D
(Not too hopeful thou...)=:p
I'm not sure it's board fault. For example with Team Elite I need 54+ Trfc and performance level 8-9 to run stable up to 1000MHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyemarn
For this Adata I need only 46-48 Trfc and Performance level 7 over 1000MHz.
I guess it depends on memory chips.
Right now I'm using 5-5-5-15-48-6-12-6-6 for 1066MHz and a performance level 7.
I don't even bother with lower clocks and tight timings like 4-4-4 because on P35 there is more gain if you run higher memory clocks rather than 800-900MHz on CL4.
I think I agree with you. Actually I have tried 3 sets of budget 4GB(2GBx2) kits and found out that my Elite can do high speed. With the other two sets, I didn't know I have to raise tRFC to overclock. My Elite can do more than 1000mhz with 5-5-5-18-55-10-10-10-10 at 1.9V. What voltage are you using for MCH, FSB and chipsets?Quote:
Originally Posted by tty
425-435MHz fsb
3.4-3.5GHz Q6600
1.3875v CPU (1.36v real)
1.35v NB
1.7v SB
1.300v fsb (a bit high but needed for quad core)
Has anyone with d9gmh / d9gkx sticks reached a frequency of 600MHz or higher?
Whats the reason why this board isn't as good in memory overclocking as others like p5k or something similiar:confused:
I flashed it (I previously was on 1.7b6) and damn it freaked me out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tty
It couldnt save bios settings. every single time it sayd bad bios checksum. i couldnt even set the boot order in bios- the changes wouldnt apply.
lucky for me that the F11 worked and I could select the boot device on the fly and booted my usb-mem and flashed to 1.7 official.
Use afud 408 to flash the bios, other newer versions of bios flasher are buggy.Quote:
Originally Posted by heikis
Update on my Adata 2x2GB kit.
1096MHz 5-5-5-15 2.1v performance level 7
Bios 1.84?
memset 3.5 beta
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=92190
Yes I'm running 1.84 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arne
As I said before, use afud408 to flash the bios, I never had any error with it.
I had the save setting problem when I used newer versions like 412 or latest beta.
Great! Thanks for d info. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WSX
Thank You so much! Mine says AS7345 and under that it says IMS160. I guess this is Bios v1.6? I hope so because I needed a mobo that would support E8400 right out of the box. I still haven't gotten my e8400 but it's coming. Just waiting for my PSU and that E8400 and I will build my first PC ever and overclock my first CPU ever :up: CAN'T WAIT! :wiggle:Quote:
Originally Posted by WSX
Hello guys, I've migrated from a 975x powerUp to a Neo2 FR, and as I don't want to break any OC record, I put my Q6600 G0 (vid 1.2125) at 3 Ghz with all voltages stock, hopping that SpeedStep and C1E worked as with the 975x, but EIST (speedstep) does not reduce the multiplier, and C1E is missing from the bios (now running v1.6) is there any "hidden" option or another bios version that has C1E ??
Normally C1E isn't hidden in the bios.
Do you have activated in windows in the energy management tab, that you want to have minimum consumption? (i dunno whats exactly in english but i think you'll know what i mean)
I've done a windows repair yesterday, maybe this has changed the energy profile, I will check tonight. But still C1E is missing in bios, hope the option EIST includes SpeedStep and C1E.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arne
Official BIOS 1.8 is out. It's newer than 1.84 beta so you guys might wana give it a try.
C1E is located in the "Advanced Options" in Bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by viktor92
Well EIST is doing its magic after changing the energy profile to "minimun power...". With the standar power management, the C1E option enabled in the 975x does the same efect as EIST. I'm using bios v1.6, and no C1E option is present, what bios are you using ??Quote:
Originally Posted by [LCN]Knowledge
:clap: :up:
Your prob sounds strange. You might should try the 1.8. Maybe then your eyes will be opened lol
Man, why don't you tell me where do you have C1E option and what bios version are you using ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Arne
The ide channel on this board, is it run specifically off the marvell controller
Well, look at that quote. I have actually beta 1.63b, so i can't say you for sure where its located. Often its under CPU features etc but it should be under AO.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by [LCN]Knowledge
Relax guys, there is no C1E option in any bios release (for this board).
You can only disable/enable EIST.
Mr. wise guy, better look at the bios more carefully, because there is no "Advanced options", and in nowhere there is a C1E option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arne
Is it hidden in CPU Fetures? Hit F4 and see. Thats the way MSi does things, the way they have it on my P6N.
OMG,.. ok I will take a picture with my mobile. I've used Bios 1.1, 1.6, 1.83beta and i always see the option ok, i will reboot now. O_o
*Edit: i dont see it anymore, maybe it is not supported on this board, or it is not in all BIOS's version.
I've used the MSI P35 NEO2-FIR with 4 different BIOS and never seen a C1E option in any of them, if you want to enable/disable speedstep just use the EIST option in "Cell Menu".
Does anyone know how compatible this mobo is with a-data sdram? :confused2
My computer will not come on anymore. If I have the power supply plugged into the 8pin, it will not even jumpstart. If I take out the 8pin, the board will power up but not get past 4 red LEDs. Is it dead?
It's what I'm doing and it seems to work fine (and enabled the "minimal power management" energy profile in windows also), but I don't understand why C1E is missing in a P35 bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by WSX
Could a xp user with this board check in
device manager/Universal Serial Bus Controllers
I have 8 Intel ICH9 USB xxxxx entries
and
8 USB Root Hub
is this what you are showing also
thanks
Mine shows the same thing.
Same hereQuote:
Originally Posted by vandiesel
Check the previous page for my posts regarding A-Data memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaxis01
What's a good voltage for memory for this board, enough to not kill the memory? Is 2.2 high enough? I currently don't have air blowing on the memory also. I am using Crucial Ballistixwith a E8400.
Hey what memory are you using and what are the timings? Did you do anything to the VTT FSB Voltage, NB Voltage, SB I/O Power and the SB Core Power?Quote:
Originally Posted by clon22
I'm using 4 x 1GB GSKill DDR2 800 GBPK at 4-4-4-12 and 667 Mhz (333 x 2 x 1). This setup was the best with my 975x PowerUp, I still should try at 835 Mhz (333 x 2 x 1.25). The voltages are ALL stock, my memory at 1.9v (when I try at 835, I will put voltage at 1.95). My Q6600 G0 is running at 333 x 9 (FSB jumpers at 333mhz) with stock voltage and has a VID of 1.2125. With four sticks installed, the memory is hotter, but I have a side 80mm fan flowing over them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dropglock
For the memory, 2.2v is fairly high for me, but look at the specs to see the range accepted, mine has 1.9 to 2.0v, but all depends at what frecuencies do you want to overclock your memory, but I advise to you that the temperature rise very quickly with high voltages.
Hybrid
viktor92
Thanks for that, the reason.............when I install the intel chipset drivers they take out the usb root hub with the yellow! need to uninstall/reboot to fix
Share some results with you guys here. :)
-E8400 wk43 w/Ultima90i
All on air...
3D06 @ 501x9, gpu@stock :
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...3d06_stock.jpg
Nuclearus Multicore managed 16K :
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3..._nuclearus.jpg
Spi32m @ 1:1 :
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3..._hwmonitor.jpg
Btw, system is inside my little iCute QH-01 casing...
Bump up gpu clocks abit...
then tried to clear 16k with higher cpu speed...
Have not login to ORB for a very long time...
took more than 10 tries to remember my email n password...
then managed to logged in... faintz...
Heres the compare link :
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5154609
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...0420252164.jpg
Kept vcore @ 1.55v...
514x9.... 515x9 no go....
i guess need cooler temps... too hot...
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=310620
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...spi1m_cpuz.jpg
Oh yah,
btw Cpuz 1.44 is in... :)
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
Will try better cooling another time...
I'm using D9GMH,Quote:
Originally Posted by dropglock
I guess your ballistix are using similar chips too...
For regular 24/7 usage,
I do not go above 1.95vdimm. :)
My daily settings are 445x9(bios 1.3v), mems@890mhz 5-5-4-10@1.9v.
Its good enough for me. :)
1.45/1.5/1.6/1.15 respectively for the rest.
Same here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by vandiesel
Here's my 24/7 settings. I got some questions though. Do you guys think I need to reinstall my heatsink because 76 degrees is high! And are these bio's settings safe enough to last me 2 years? And what's up with the system information under OCCT? Its all wrong. Thanks.
http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456...ockSTABLE2.jpg
and the bios settings.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...k/DSC00146.jpg
More info on high Wolfdale temp readings
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1259
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Nice
If you guys are still looking for the C1E option in the MSI P35 Bios here's a few pics to show you exactly where it should be.............:D At least this is where its at on my MSI P35 board..............:eek:
Main screen, go to the advanced bios features (second option)
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8164/dsc00262lk4.jpg
Advanced bios features, go to CPU features (third from bottom).
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3554/dsc00263mi1.jpg
CPU features when you first go into them.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2008/dsc00264wm2.jpg
Press F4 when you're in the CPU features menu and you should see the C1E option come up.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9281/dsc00265fd1.jpg
This is he way it works on my current MSI P35 board as well as my old MSI P6N board, it's a standard MSI option as far as I know................:shocked: