Could anyone provide me the settings required to reach 475FSB with a quad? I've tried different settings but none allow me to boot past Windows loading...
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Could anyone provide me the settings required to reach 475FSB with a quad? I've tried different settings but none allow me to boot past Windows loading...
OK, if I get the none SE and put a fan on the NB heatsink will it cool similar to water cooling version?
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5220/3200mhzlt6.jpg
1.2000V Vcore & 1.35V NB is the border for my CPU, below there OCCT will not be stable. Voltage looks nice, not to high i think.
Thanks Electric_Eye for the advice. It turns out that one of my 2GB sticks of RAM is bad. Last night I tested each stick individually and with one in particular I was able to reproduce my crash error. What a relief to finally know the cause. So, until I get my replacement RAM I'm running with a single 2GB stick in A1, error free.
Also, I never updated my experience removing the NB heat sink from the board. Cuke2u, this time my experience was the same as yours. With only minor pressure the heatsinks and pipe popped off. Then it was simply a matter of carefully chipping away most of the thermal adhesive with a razor blade, it flaked off quite nicely, and then I replaced the whole thing using my Arctic Cooling MX-2. We'll see how it does when I get my replacement RAM and I'm able to begin overclocking.
Thanks to all for their help, I'm sure I'll be looking for more as I work for a stable air cooled overclock.
Maglin, your setup is virtually identical to mine. I've taken great interest in your post several pages back listing your BIOS settings for a stable 400x9 with minimum voltage. Using the same settings I was able to boot into XP64 without an issue. Failed the OCCT stress test, but the desktop was stable. Then I saw your post several pages later stating that you had to increase some of your voltages to get stable. What settings did you eventually arrive at? Would you mind an updated posting of your stable BIOS settings and/or methodology for getting your stable overclock? Thanks.
Review some of my previos post for BIOS profiles and adjust as needed.
As for the Quads in general, leave memory and graphics out of it till youget the CPU/mobo where you like and stable in 1:1. So for best stability, leave strap and RAM frequency to Auto, Disable both speed spectrum settings, Disable RAM Booster an drelax to 0 (1~3 as needed for stability, when stable again), Set Ai Clock Twister to Auto or light (for now, avoid "strong", as it will add stress to memory system and become unstable, destracting OC test), Enable Static Read Control. Getting higher FSB out of a quad is gonna need some more PLL and FSBT thgen in my core 2 OC. Matbe PLL up to 1.712v and FSTB to 1.504v is a good refference point.
Try this and use overvolting as little as needed for low temps and stability.
Hope this helps!
Why is CPU-Z only showing PCI-E link width at 2x? I've tried it in both of the blue PCI-E slots and they both come up at 2x, I've tried raising the PCI-E freq to 101 upto 110 and it still shows 2x. I don't see any bios settings for setting this manually.
Edit: I changed the NB voltage to 1.55 same problem. I even installed XP and installed the latest beta nvidia driver (169.09).
I tried up to 1,8V PLL and 1,55 vFSB with 1,55 vNB and nothing help... I can't get my board to run at 475 FSB :(
My board also has an astronomic vDroop... I select 1,4875V in BIOS and I'm down to 1,376V while running P95 :(
What BIOS are you running?
LLC function??
BTW, is there any good 2x2GB memory kits with Micron chips?
LLC=Load Line Calibration
Getting my 8800GTX and 850W power supply back today, If that doesn't fix my OC problem, then.... :shakes:
hey all....just to let you guys know, i have this board up and running, 400 x 9, very very easily, on my q6600. cpu volts at 1.4
i am still on the shipping bios 401
had to rma a brand new evga 8800gtx, had some tearing issues at stock speeds, so when i get it back i will try some further overclocking.
This board is a dream with the QX9650 and SS....
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=272207
http://www.blazingpc.com/forum/showp...5&postcount=32
Im still having issues with high FSB but it may be the CPU...
Warboy, you posted a screenshot several pages back which showed your temps and voltages in Everest. In the shot your Motherboard Temp is ~19C! Are you doing something in particular with your voltages or air cooling to achieve this? or is that simply a result of your subzero room temperature? ;) My motherboard temp at stock speeds with my Q6600 is around 30C.
Is it still the general consensus that for those with 2 sticks of RAM the white slots on this board offer greater stability? Or is it really just a crap shoot?
Hello,
I am trying to choose between the maximus formula and the p5e to go with a q6600. I will pair them with 2 3870s in crossfire.
And for memory I am thinking about crucial ballistix pc2-8500.
Does the maximus formula also have that 3rd generation 8-phase power for the cpu? because that latest gen thing only shows up on the P5e's page on asus.com.
Which board would you guys recommend?
Any other suggestions for memory?
Thank you
Better late than never in replying, I suppose. Probably the best method would be to use the hard drive's utility which you can download from their website. I personally was installing a dual boot system, so instead of installing Vista first, I just installed XP first, which gave me the option of formatting and partitioning during install.
That's a lot of PLL to pump through. PLL in relation to FSWBT will or should help, but use sparingly, as this put stress on the overall bus, and especiallly CPU bus.
At this point, it's not the mobo that needs so much volts. As I stated before, this mobo is good to 540FSB with the right CPU and 500FSB is a easy one with as lil as 1.504v on NB 1.10v on SB, and 1.58v on SB 1.5.
Post back the other "Extreme Tweaker" settings you are using and we'll take a look.
Good Luck!
How can she do at high mobo FSB at any ratio? I'd like one of these if I can get closer to 532FSB and still have 4GHz 1:1 for DDR1066. 4.26GHz as 533x8 would be great.
My E6300 di it on the P5B, so why not on tis mobo? Even an ES E6550 is pushing 540FSB on the P5K Deluxe
Here are my settings for 423 FSB... just need to find out what do I need for 475 FSB...
I enable the LLC function now the vDroop is gone :)
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 423
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-846
DRAM Command Rate : Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 4
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong (I have tried auto for 475 though)
Transaction Booster : Disabled
Relax: 0
CPU Voltage : Set to 1.393 for 1.384 Real
CPU PLL Voltage : Set to 1.6
North Bridge Voltage : Set to 1.43 for 1.46 Real
DRAM Voltage : Set to 2.02 for 2.10 Real (tried up to 2,30 Real for DDR2-950)
FSB Termination Voltage : Set to 1.36 for 1.40 Real
South Bridge Voltage : Auto
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : Auto
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Enable
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled
Thanks for the help
They're both good so far. The P5E is pretty much the MAXIMUS rebadged and tripped of some and added of others. You get the "2" extra SATA, but still on J-Micron (I'd rather drop in my own Sis on PCI-E).
The MAXIMUS FORMULA has every chance the P5E does with the right BIOS fixes to come.
All the trouble you hear is mostly from quad OC'rs w/ RAM up deviders, and this will be the challenge on both if looking for higher FSB OC.
For Core 2 users on 1:1 w/ tight timings, you cant go wron with either. As for gamers, I like the MAXIMUS for it's unique features such as mobo voltages LED's and LED poster. I like that it is stripped of the stuff I would either not use or just replace, like Wi-Fi, eSATA etc.
The P5E will be likely the last DDR2 X38 but will, or may get revised and /or upgraded in time as newer features come to. But Like most "E" or "Premium" additions, most OC'n stuff is the same.
Hope this helps!
This is so, lately for the higher RAM speeds of over 1000. For overclocking, 2 sticks is always better and so running in 2nd set of slots will aloow for the higher Rrequencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMight
Is it still the general consensus that for those with 2 sticks of RAM the white slots on this board offer greater stability? Or is it really just a crap shoot?
4 stick is gonna' limit those higher speeds and good timings, and very stressful on MCH and worse if using up deviders.
Thank you very much. :)
I will be using a q6600 and pc2 8500 ballistix since that ram looks very popular around here.
I do not know if i will be going with cas 4 or cas 5 with the ram.
I have seen a post where the fsb was 550 with p5e. That looks promising for 1:1 ram divider with cas 4.
I am concerned about the cpu overclock with higher fsb because of the upcoming qx9450 etc.. , will need the higher fsb with the low multiplier.
so the p5e was released after the maximus formula?
-but that 3rd generation 8-phase power that only shows on P5E's specifications is not an enhancement over the formula's 8-phase?
I was looking at newegg for the prices, how come the maximus formula se has 46 reviews and 5 stars vs. 8 reviews and 4 stars for the non-se with people reporting a lot of problems?
bad default bios versions? / only the watercooling enthusiasts like to write reviews and know what they are doing?
-do you know how the asus formula would compare against the gigabyte x38-dq6?
A Barton 2500 overclocked to 2700MHz with 2.0v is 148 Watts
A B3 Quad 2400 overclocked to 3600MHz with 1.4v is 198 Watts
I hope not to cause arguments but I thought this had to be shown.
The Barton would be pretty good to do 2700 and 2v is quite high I think, where the Quad clocked to 3.6MHZ is very average with VERY low volts of 1.4
More likely the Quad would go to 3.8 @ 1.6v which would be 272 Watts
That's why they take a bit of cooling.
This is only here to maybe help show why and not put forward as an argument just some plain easy mathematical facts.
Since it's better to be prepared I just ordered a Fuzion... just in case, if no reseating, splitting loops etc would help then I will have another ace in my sleeve to try... only ~$70 shipped w/ 3-day UPS only, not a huge sum anyway. :cool:
Hey Guys, just wanted to give you an update. I ordered the Asus Maximus Formula SE this morning and it should me here in couple of days. I am glad that I finally ordered it. Because after reading bit-tech quick preview of X48 Chipset, my opinion on X48 is that, it's not worth the wait. Stick with X38. My Grand Total for the MB is $280.49. Once again thx for all the help guys!
Any Good Recommendations for Memory Modules for SE?
P.S. Fusion
I'm using Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 2x1GB and they work very nice, plus i see lots of other peeps have good luck with them.
http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...KIT12864AA1065
Just to add, X48, although being newer and a higher model number, is not necessarily any different for us overclockers anyways. X48 only really makes official claim specs to FSB 1600 and DDR1600. DDR3 based X38's do that with ease already, it's called overclocking. X48 looses true ECC DDR support.
It looks more like X48 may just be another chipset stepping stone (like P35 to X38) till something new and improoved coems for Nehelam support w/ modern DDR3 and ICH10R and new Intel integrated MCH on chip for end of next year, or early '09.
I will be running 4GB of ram on 2 sticks.
So just playing the odds, I should be in the 2 white ram slots if i'm looking for a high FSB speed?
Is it stable?
cpu-z 1.42 supports yorkfield
http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-142.zip
please post a shot with it and a 1M superpi
My system can't do 475 FSB, I'm seriously getting pissed grrrrrrrrrrr
Settings for Q6600 @ 3600mhz
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-900
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 42
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
(These settings gave me best bandwidth, with long-term stability:)
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : AUTO
Transaction Booster : AUTO
CPU Voltage : 1.525
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.8v (REQUIRED FOR LONGTERM STABILITY w/ my cpu)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65v(REQUIRED FOR PROPER BOOT FROM VISTA w/ 4GB)
DRAM Voltage : 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage :1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.6v
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Enable
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
I wanted to mention the importance of cpuPLL voltage. It is definately important to increase this votlage when going over 400mhz FSB with a quad. There is no specifics...each cpu will differ. For example, my B3 quad doesn't care for it...increase too much and stability was quickly lost. My G0, tho, was not stabe for 48hr prime without 1.8v...1.7v...33hrs...1.75v...38.5hrs...
Also of note is that my B3 did not need any FSB or PLL voltage change when FSB was increased(or it had negative effects), while my G0 ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED more vFSB and cpuPLL. b3 was happy with 1.2vFSB, 1.5v PLL, as a comparison. Unfortunately the power draw of the B3 was too high for this board, however I can go all the way up to 1.65v on my G0 without seeing the "prime95/system process" issue when loaded, further pressing the idea that the "EPU", by means of cpu power consumption, is what is affecting the "Prime95 issue".
Ok, here's my final results. I tried upping freq first, then after failure, upped volts until max temp of 85C was reached on CPU. Would post on 442x9 (3.99GHz) but was barely stable using OCCT1.2.0b for more than 1 min, sometimes BSOD <1min, sometimes reboot, even after upping CPUvolts to 1.75 volts and cpuPLL 1.86V, NB to 1.7V. Anyway, brought down to 440x9 (3.97GHz) and was able to lower CPUVolts to 1.6875, cpuPLL 1.78V, NB to 1.55V, FSBtermV to 1.54, and RAM to 2.00V. Under these conditions it is stable for the 1 min OCCT CPU load. Does not make it past a 2min load test tho...
Hey guys, yesterday my rig was running fine (see sig), Q6600 at 350 x 9. I received my second SATA DVD burner, so I unplugged the computer, cracked open the case and installed the burner. I also pulled off the Ultima90 cooler and added a bit more thermal paste, because I was getting high temps on 1 core during load test in Everest.
After I put everything back together, when I went to start it up, it would not post. Everything was spinning (all fans, all the LED's) and the board seems to have full power. The power switch won't even work to turn it off... I have to actually flip off the power at the back of the PSU (Corsair 620).
I hooked up the mini LCD, and tried again. I'm stuck at CPU INIT, with all fans running full blast and board LED's lit up. After shutting it down, I cleared the CMOS by holding in the button for ten seconds. Still stuck at CPU INIT. I uplugged the new burner, still stuck. Played with my RAM (two sticks, different slots, one stick, Channel A), still no go.
Any ideas? Possible short? Take out the CMOS battery? Take MoBo out of case and off of mobo tray, hook up the bare essentials? Anybody else have this problem, and find a workaround?
Nurn.. you broke your cpu.
Please, don't claim facts, when you don't know what really it is (sorry, was also pi**ed by that Barton explanation, and just prefered to shut up, as some people -not you- are deaf to any explanations, but kimandsally showed it very well). No bad feelings, but here are FACTS
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gigab...48-71635.shtml
Gigabyte is taking the time to build a rev1.1 of the board when they can just swap the X38 for a X48. Looks like PCB v1.1 will be reserved to the next X48 with an emphasis on overclocking performance... Also, a rev1.1 less than 2 months after a rev1.0...
Be sure, ASUS is doing the same, but, opposed to Gigabyte, they never officially announced in time a "small revision of their PCBs (they are very marketting aware to do it).
Buyers should really wait, the X48 on new PCB revisions should definetealy give the stability of quadcores over 400MHz FSB. If that stability is so hard to reach till now, it is evident that it is not a CPU or RAM problem, but a motherboard problem. With offcial 400 FSB support for upcoming 45nm quad core CPUs, the X48 motherboards layout will have no choice than give you some headroom to garant stability at 400MHz FSB. Pumping 425-440 MHz from actual Q6600 chips, would no longer be motherboard limited hopefully.
In fact, actually, all X38 PCB revisions need to pump a crazy vcore in the NB and FSB to stabilize a 400MHz FSB on the quads, while, on the new X48 revisions, it will be at stock specs.
My two cents, based on Gigabyte official announcements and Intel 400MHz FSB quad cores that new motherboards must support fully at stock specs.
Is it a bad idea to buy this board . What kind of future does it have ? I want to buy tomorrow btw :P so let me know . All I want is 3ghz on a Q6600 but I want crossfire too. It seems theres a bunch of problems but hopefully everything is resolved soon.
ordering before 12 tomorrow . Hopefully I don't regret it .
what the difference between the se and the xtreme versions ?
Maximus extreme has DDR3 compatibility.
Thank you
so how bad is the problem with removing the stock nb heatsink off this mobo. i hear it could actually tear off the nb completely . Damn !!
if you get it warm enough with a hair dryer,you wont have the slightest problem..just be patient and careful..
Not that i'd recommend it, but I took mine off while the PC was still switched on. It more or less just fell off with the slightest pull on it! I had to shut the PC down quick smart though as the temp started to rocket!!! :rofl:
I then took the normal route for the SB and it was a pain to get off but being patient it did eventually! :rolleyes:
anyone a clue about Super PI 1.5
I´m running my sys @ 425x9 / Q6600
but if i validate my pi i get "checksum is incorrect"
Sys is prime stable for at least 2hours
memtest -> no errors
dram is @ 1020 / 5-5-5-15 all auto
any ideas?:shrug:
Are there any difference in therms of overclockebility between the "white" and the "blue" slots , @ the P5K Deluxe the "black" slots are better then the "yellow" one, but it could be that the black dimms got a bigger drive strenght that can causing death RAMS in the long run...... I had some Mushkin XP8500 that were degrading slowly using those "black " slots , I dont know if there is a co-relation....
Hmmn, i've just been thinking. My E6550 is maxed out at 502FSB but my mem is only running 1004mhz. How or what would I adjust so that it was running at the full 1066mhz or maybe even overclock them??
BIOS 0902 is out.
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...ula/MF0902.zip
Yep take ya time twist it gently , never use brute force, it took me about 30mins to get it off, then another half an hour to get rid of the goo on the NB...
It's a tedious job but reduced my NB temps about 5°C
So, bios 0902, what's the deal? How does it overclock? Comparisons to other bios'?
Is this 0902 some kind of practical joke???
With it I can't use the CPU RATIO SETTING (fixed to auto)
& flashing back seems impossible, because there are no further options when it says:
"Version in ROM file is older than existing board!"
Cheers!
Well on idle its dropped by 3-4ºC, this is without any fans attached to either of them. Its hard to say given the heating in the house is on and off all the time! If you fit an 80mm fan to them with the supplied brackets you should see even better results! :yepp:
Same here. Flashed using the BIOS tool located in the BIOS and after clearing the CMOS I was greeted with a locked CPU RATIO set to auto. I also couldn't flash back to an earlier BIOS version which is strange since I have been able to flash back to 06xx and 05xx from 07xx numerous times. I just pulled the battery hoping that all will be well but that probably wont help.
using 0902 now and had no problems changing CPU ratio. Have you tried changing it in the CPU configuration settings tab (where EIST is) looks like 1/2 multis can be entered now too if your cpu supports
Before posting I flashed it 3 times w same result, however, after I downloaded it again and/or by copying to thumb drive again I got it working out of the Advanced Menu > CPU Configuration, where I now could enter the mutli/ratio manually by starting with a "0"...
@ Aldy402 > the latest reflash did not resolve the flashing-back-to-older-BIOSes-via-thumb-drive-issue, so I'm afraid you're right.. Hopefully they will resolve this in the next BIOS (2 days?).
Also, after flashing for the first time & running at default, my system crashed due to a bad OC :confused: When I checked the BIOS the FSB Term was clocked at max 2V. After resetting this it didn't come back.
tbc..
Still trying to sort out my "stuck at CPU INIT", leaning towards a possible short somewhere. Question... I've been using the 4 pin 12v EATX connector rather than the 8 pin. Do you reckon that makes any difference?
Flashed to 0902 and running great and i also noticed that ASUS is implying the 0.5 multiplier soon.
Hello,
My Maximus Formula is just not working.
I am stuck on "DET DRAM" on the LCD poster, and the mobo won't post... I can't even get into BIOS. Lights are one, and fans are spinning, but no post...
I know this could be related to the default 1.8v for the memories, but I have tried a lot of 533 / 667 / 800 DD2 mem, that should be running fine with 1.8v or less than that.
The mobo won't post, and I am sure all of my hardware is working fine, since I have them working on the previous mobo...
I have tried a lot of memories, I have even tried clearing the CMOS overnight, with the battery off... Still no good.
Looks like there is an issue with my mobo, and I will have to RMA it.
Any other suggestions?
[]'s
Simps
I'm at work right now. When I get home my plan is to
- disconnect everything from of the mobo including cards, drives, fans, RAM, CPU and cooler and inspect closely
- take mobo off of tray, lay it on my worktable (to eliminate possible grounding issues between tray and board)
- replace the CMOS battery that I pulled out last night
- hold down the power button for a minute or two to discharge capacitors fully
- plug the power connectors onto the board(this time I will use the 8 pin instead of 4 pin)
- turn on PSU
- push the Clear CMOS button
- turn off PSU
- disconnect the power connectors
- reinstall CPU and cooler
- reinstall one stick of RAM into DIMM Slot A1 (closest to CPU... agreed??)
- hook up one HD
- hook up one video card
- reconnect two power connectors to mobo - turn on the PSU
- should I try to CLEAR CMOS at this point also???
- hit the power button on the mobo
- pray
Any comments/suggestions... particularly the part about WHEN to hit the CLEAR CMOS button??
Do you folks use screw with fibre insulating washers to screw down your mobo, or just screws with no washers?