My point is the 1603 bios works on my board.I had to use 1.41 before for 3.6ghz now its fine set at 1.375.
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My point is the 1603 bios works on my board.I had to use 1.41 before for 3.6ghz now its fine set at 1.375.
My board seems to have died. :mad:
I was getting random crashing during games even at stock, & i was having trouble POSTing.
Yet P95/IntelBurnTest/Memtest all passed fine.
But i could shut off power for a bit, & it would sometimes POST, or could reset CMOS & it'd POST.
But now no POST at all regardless of what i do :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by -n7-
Is this the first one to die on you or?
Have you tried a different psu? Sounds like what happens when a psu dies...check it out before rma.Quote:
Originally Posted by -n7-
Quote:
Originally Posted by sxs112
What cpu do you have?
Still on the 803 bios here, and still messing with the OC but heres a SS of where I am at with my Q9400. LLC disabled gives me 1.240v running Linpack.
Larry
[IMG=http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8465/3840biglarlinpackcl4.th.jpg]
Looking good man, good job :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Lar
Thanks :) Its just a good chip, the board seems to handle it no problem. Once I get my max clock on it with reasonable volts I'll need to start tightening up the ram settings which should be the fun part :DQuote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
I have a PL of 10 right now with all but 1 pullin enabled. Strange thing is that if I manually set the dram freq I got errors, at least back when I first tried it, auto works well tho.
Larry
E8600 ram to test Memory Brandwidth, got 2 set Cellshock PC8000 CL4 4-4-4-12 an G.skill PC8000 CL4 4-4-4-5
bios 1103 an 1201 got a bad Memory Brandwidth,an can not hit 600+ fsb,here is 0803 best,hmm I can try bios 1306
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...oard,2001.html
Interesting, joint winner P45
At least initially, I am seeing the same thing on my P5Q-E. I flashed 13.06 and lowered my vcore down 2 notches from 1.35v to 1.33+v. It is running prime blend now at 30+ minutes. This is in contrast to any prior BIOS rev where any voltage lower than 1.35 would fail somewhat quickly. May still ultimately error out but if not, I may try to lower again a notch or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by TI66ER
All other setting remain the same. Only change was in vcore.
Finn
Well I finally made it through 125 pages, damn. Leeghoofd, I notice that your sig shows bios 803, did you settle on that bios as the best?
test Memory Brandwidth:up: Bios 1306 = 0803 :up:
an YES :shocked:very very low vcore,first test whit bios 1306 an vcore move not,total stable
Good find on that round up... :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by mac_69
beastnotro, System is running fine @1.4v (1.25VID) and I added another 120mm fan, Temps are now 69 max on p95 large for max heat, The rest of my settings are per your template, What other settings could I try to lower?
my stable settings at the minute.
CPU Voltage: 1.4
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.630
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28
NB Voltage: 1.26
DRAM Voltage: 1.96
NB GTL Reference: 0.630
SBridge Voltage: 1.10
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50
I think leefhoofd is using 1201 currtently, as it gives him better memory bandwitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
initial testing of the 1306 seems good huh?
Well one you could leave it alone if all is well.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
Or Two
The only things i would lower is the PLL from 1.56 to 1.54 and the NB from 1.26 to 1.24 . again stability may become an issue as it was for me when i did that as linpack would error out.
So its up to you .. i personally would leave it.
I may even try to lower my vcore now to 1.40 as i only did 1.42 in BIOS for absolute stability when i first go rig setup to 3.6ghz as 1.38 was not good so i bumped to 1.42 and left it there... :)
I may even try Bios 1306 BETA as many say it seems to be good and many can use lower Vcore by 2 notches lower... so if 1.40 is absolute stable say for me then on 1306 bios i hope 1.38 would be.. lol
Thanks, Ill wait to hear how you get on with it before I change anything:)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
Yep on 1201 here, gives me 0901 par performance with my 2Gb sticks... haven't tested the 1306 bios with the Gskill Hz's.. but overall I can set one or two notches lower on the vcore... 3.6Ghz priming at 1.112 Vcore now lol was 1.13 before (bios setting 1.18, before 1.2 required to be stable with 1201, LLC disabled) any setting lower than 1.2 and it would cap out on small FFT's under 15 minutes... with 1306 still humming along at 1.18 in bios...no other settings touched...
Hope this bios gives better results too with my E board... LLC doesn't work at all there, and anything over 450FSB makes it very unstable... (tested all ram, PSU,CPU combos)
http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/1306prime.JPG
:) thks, but i said maybe i try 1306 beta.... lol.. i letting others be the http://thoughtnotstatic.files.wordpr...pg?w=239&h=275 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
:rofl: Wise man.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
Bios 1306 4.8ghz an 1.46v:clap::up:
Where did you find bios 1603.I dont see it on the ftp.asus.com.tw.Quote:
Originally Posted by TI66ER
E8400 C0Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Blasar - I have the same mobo / mem / CPU as you, my settings are below. You may need more or less VCORE depending on your CPU to get to 3.4. Try setting to something like 1.40 and see if you can boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blasar
BTW, I use the yellow memory slots. I also found that FSB Termination Voltage & NB Voltage are essential to stability, at least for my setup. You also need more DRAM voltage, I have mine set to 2.02 b/c the mobo is known to overvolt. Finally, make sure to set your Performance Level to 8. Interestingly, I couldn't post when set higher (10).
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8X
FSB Frequency: 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 266
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1066
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information :
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO (defaults to 52)
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: 8
PULL-INS: All Disabled
CPU Voltage: 1.375
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.63
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.67
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.02
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: 0.63
SBridge Voltage: 1.10
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew: AUTO
NB Clock Skew: AUTO
CPU Margin: Optimized
I couldn't get higher clocks with 1306 but i hope it'll help with stability at current clocks. Man at first i was pushing poor E4300 at over 1,5V and now i can run it just fine at 1,45V.
Well I am two hours OCCT "CPU" stable but I need to tweak my ram before moving on. Here are my current settings and I would appreciate suggestions for a starting direction. Full system specs are in my sig. I also updated the spreadsheet for bios 1201.
Thanks.
PHP Code:ASUS P5Q DLX Template : SiGfever
Ambient: 23.8c
CPU: Q9550 vid = 1.25
Memory: G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 415
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1019
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information :
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
2nd Information :
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO
3rd Information :
WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level [12]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.38125
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.32
DRAM Voltage: 2.02
NB Voltage: 1.34
NB GTL Reference: 0.68
SBridge Voltage: Auto
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
NB Clock Skew : Normal
CPU Margin Enhancement: Compatible
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinnEire
Just a follow-up that overnight one of my cores failed. I am retesting with a bump to NB now. Still, while obviosuly not 100% stable, I never saw this CPU hold this long at this voltage before.
Question for the sages: What typically causes one core to fail in Prime95 while the other keeps chugging along for hours and hours? Any observations or knowledge on this?
Finn
Could be quite a few things, but the most likely IMHO is a gtl setting for that core.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinnEire
On another note, with the new bios, how is the PL, ie; Transaction Booster? Anyone able to lower it from previous version of bios? I am running 803 and up to 480fsb I was able to run 10 with all but 1 pullin enabled, had to raise it considerably to get 485fsb stable.
Larry
I forgot a link to the screenshot..still more testing to go at this speed tho.
Larry
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7...0biglarru6.jpg
Memory test, BIOS 1201 x 1306
Q6600/2x2gb G.Skill PC8800
450fsb / DDR2 1124 CL5-5-5-15
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: 8
PULL-INS: All Enabled
1201
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/29/1201jh2.jpg
1306
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2696/1306fp5.jpg
Good improvement on latency :clap:
Getting close to my P35 board
so i guess its safe to say the new bios is better than 1201
where the frock can we DL the 1306 bios
So is everyone using the beta bios linked a few pages back or the one from the normal ftp? Are these 2 links giving the same file? I would have thought the second link is more trustworthy, I have never seen/used the first link before.
1.) ftp://dlsvr.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5Q_Deluxe
2.) ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5Q_Deluxe
Is there now less vdrop/vdroop with the 1306 bios?
from either of the 2 links I just posted aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by Rattle
Can the P5Q Deluxe BIOS be used on a P5Q-E board... anyone tried it?
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Well here's the P5Q-E site: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5Q-E/ and the 1306 BIOS was posted 10mins earlier for the Deluxe (10:28AM) as opposed to 10:48 for the P5Q-E, so I'm guessing the BIOS for either board is identical. I'm pretty sure I saw someone metion this before, but I just wanted to double check again, rather than brick my board.
Also, if for some reason I don't like the 1306 BIOS, can I simply reflash back to 1201? --- which, other than the PL issue (no PL lower than 10) is rock stable. I'm at 533 FSB right now, with only 1.26v for NB (w/ .625 NB GTL) , 1.88v for RAM, 1.16v for vFSB/VTT & 1.52v for PLL
Does the f@home have a good error correction or does it check them at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Polizei
When doing such important charity work I would make damn sure my results would be top notch.
Would you please help try running CL4 and see if any great boost on "read" bandwidth? Thanks...Quote:
Originally Posted by NBF
What do people get for system temps? Mine seem a bit high at 50 (read with asus pcprobe). Does anyone have active cooling?
nice thanks for the links for 1306, will give it a go.
try to run auto GLT to cpu,I got it on auto
I get 35*C max for the motherboard temp (that's what you meant, right?). No active cooling. I'm using 1.26v vNB.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
Is there less vdroop on 1306?
Thanks for your reply :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by WildstarOCT
I´ll gonna try your settings, cross my fingers, and see what happens. :D
I´m really pissed off with this limitation. Does anyone with this board ever heard of such thing? My system boots only if i choose the 3rd option (starting from the bottom) for the ram frequency, any other option=no boot, no matter the voltages, settings, etc.... :confused:
Because, if it´s not normal, something must be wrong with the board or with the mems, and if there´s a problem, can RMA be the solution?
Regards.
What program do you use for mesuring motherboard temp? Useing asus ai suite mine reads CPU 57*C SYSTEM 47*C and real temp reads cpu 65*C 65*C 63*C 63*C.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
I just use asus probe too. What vNB do you use? What is your ambient temp?
That is quite odd. It may be a defective board. I have a strange issue too, I cannot boot my ram between 1199 and 1277 MHz. I can get it stable at 499 FSB, DDR 1199 MHz, but if I set 500/1200 it wont boot. Then, I can all of sudden boot at 1277 up to 1333 (haven't tried higher). The board has a massive memory hole, and it really annoys me. I am also thinking my board may be defective, but i don't want to be without it while I'm rma'ing it. Then they'll probably just send it back and say it works fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blasar
vNB=1.24Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Ambient temp, no more than 23-28*C
Been running p95 large fft for over an hour now and asus probe is reading system 49*C, Kinda scarry, What are max temps for the northbridge?
I don't know, I should have said my system temp is 35*C max, there is no sensor for the NB temp. I don't know where the system temp is read from. Not sure why your temps are so high mate. 49*C sure is getting warm.
Is your NB heatsink mounted well and is it straight? (may have been damaged in transit) Assuming the system temp monitor is somewhere near the NB, it may be the cause. If not, no idea mate.
Thanks, I will take a look.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Yes I agree that for the memory part this board is acting wierd...Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
I was using AVEXIR DDR2 667 (7ED22-D9GMH) OC to 1200Mhz with 2.02v rock solid stable.
However when I tried to push further like 1248 it needs massive bump of juice to 2.4v...
Also for the lantency part I got zero bandwidth gain on changing to CAS4 from CAS5 leaving FSB the same. I was wondering if it's a motherboard or BIOS issue and should I RMA this board at once...it's really bugging me:mad:
Today and tomorrow, i´m going to do my final tests to this board, trying the WildstarOCT settings and pushing the volts a little higher and i hope all this issues go away.
If the problem continues, i´m taking the PC to the store where i bought it and if they can´t solve it, i´m RMA´ing it.
Regards.
system temp= PWM, and those are hot, and 49 is nothing to worry about :up:, only the R.O.G. got temp readout also for the NB.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
Wow that's a lot of volts for 48 MHz more. Also very odd that there is no gain in bandwidth when using CAS 4 at the same ram and FSB frequency. I'll have to test that on mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ci2kla
Are you sure that 'system' - pwm temp? I haven't seen anyone mention where the system temp is read from.Quote:
Originally Posted by CERO
All these boards with different serious issues are making me think something is very inconsistent with Asus' manufacturing process - perhaps now the 'deluxe' name is being applied to poorly made, low end boards? I think this is the last 'deluxe' I'll ever buy, and I'm certainly regretting buying the one I have.
I'm not joking when I say my old P5B vanilla could achieve higher ram clocks without massive holes in the frequency range that my current board has. I know it's not my ram, as I have done 1000 - 1300+ benchable on a P5K, with no gaps in the frequency range.
Hi there!!
I want to thank to WildstarOCT for his advice, i´ve tried the settings he said and the result was a nice boot :clap: :clap: :worship: :worship:
The only thing i did, for now, was to lower the CPU voltage to 1.281, and some quick tests with Prime95. Now i´ve left the CPU running Prime95 at the following settings to see if it is rock stable, if so, i´m lowering the other voltages to the minimum asap ;):
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8X
FSB Frequency: 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 266
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1066
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO (defaults to 52)
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: 8
PULL-INS: All Disabled
CPU Voltage: 1.281 :D
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.630
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.02
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: 0.630
SBridge Voltage: 1.10
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50
Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew: AUTO
NB Clock Skew: AUTO
CPU Margin: Optimized
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Regards.
I have my fsb term at 1.22 for my 9450 at 3.85Ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blasar
^Yes good point, try and lower the vFSB to 1.12v and start from there. The max rated is actually given as 1.15v by intel so if you can stay under that, it would be better for your cpu's health.
1.15v? For 65 or 45 nm CPU´s?Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
1.15v for 45nm CPUsQuote:
Originally Posted by Blasar
usually default VTT voltage for 45nm CPU is 1.1v as stated in the description column of the BIOS
for 65nm chips I guess it's 1.2v default
Yeah, it's worked perfectly till about a week ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
HX520 & HX1000...both are working fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Hicks121
I haven't called them for RMA yet; want to try swapping CPU before completely writing it off.
But i highly doubt my QX6850 died (will swap back to Q6700).
Quote:
Originally Posted by -n7-
Hope you didn't inherit my weird issue that I am having which I doubt I think it is just the 9450s getting effected by the cpu margin enhancement bug thing..
hi,guys you see the newest bios? P5Q-ASUS-DELUXE-1306 ...shut be final
http://rapidshare.com/files/14032630...ELUXE-1306.rar
Hey tigs stop posting that bloody link on a bunch of forums :p how about instead you tell us where you got that 1603 BIOS from. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TI66ER
Yes.. I have been watching j00! o_O
What exactly is the cpu margin enhancement? Thinking about updating my bios from 803, and I have seen you say something about that a few times, don't need any problems :)Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Larry
N/m
It's a new option they added to the BIOS and I think it blew out whatever it controls on my 9450. Apparently there have been other people having issues with it that have 9450s. The other people having issues part came from a level three engineer manager at Asus. They are still looking into it. I can't go above rev 0803 because it won't boot completely to Vista with any newer revision then 0803 it just freezes at the progress screen but, with 0803 and earlier stable as a rock at 3.85Ghz 1.25v.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Lar
Hm, i have it set to Performance Mode. Not sure what it does but Performance Mode does sound better than just default Optimized :P
Thank you for that. I just flashed to the new beta and it seems ok so far, have not tried anything special yet, tho I did run Prime Blend for 1/2 hour just to be sure all was at least close to ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
What I see with that setting, is that while watching Prime, when it was shifting from large to small fft,workers 1 and 3 got the load first, then 2 and 4. 1/3 were actually 1 ahead of 2/4 as to consecutive load. I believe from what I saw that the "Margin" that this setting is, is splitting load on the quad to offset the strain under load. Does that make any sense? At least it appears that way. Will test further this evening to see what gives, and TY again for the info :)
Larry
Mine was ok for bout two weeks.. I had mine set to performance... Your welcome. If that is true good observation. That might,, make sense as to why it stopped working eventualy for me "burnt it out".
Its a strange setting and no info on it is a bad thing. I left it in Optimized mode, I will see what gives with it over time I guess.
This is a nice board, but the memory has alot to be desired compared to some other chipsets, but then it really isn't mature yet i guess.
Larry
You're welcome, glad it worked out. It looks like you've got a killer Q6600 there. Keep pushing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Blasar
Guys, I've got a QX9650 that I've had overclocked to 4.0ghz over the last year on a P35 board. I need a new motherboard, and I'm looking for the same solid overclock (I'm not a benchmarker) on a stable board with a minimum of quirks. Do the 45nm quads do well on this board? Is it a pretty straight-forward board?
I posted the direct links 1 page back from the one you posted on........Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
If you quote the post Ti66er linked you too, you get the link addresses that way - that's what we all did.........you don't need to be 'told' per se.......
Here you go if reading back 1 page is too hard :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Hey another news about memory bandwidth...
I've asked a coo**ler forum's member to perform a benchmark on how CL4 / CL5 affect memory bandwidth...the MB he's using was Maximus II Fomula
and ooooops! The result is just the same as my P5Q-Deluxe: Zero improvement on bandwidth!
I think now it's not only P5Q-D has the problem with D9GMH chips...but also other P45 asus boards...even high end models...bleh
I'll send a report back to ASUS support forums and see how the mods react;)
interesting..... keep us posted!
I took the plunge an upgraded to 1306 from 1201. So far no issues. I'm going ensure i'm 100% stable by doing a good 72 hours of prime large fft's (my house gets warm during the day and cool at night, i need a large spread to ensure stability).
Damn sorry mate I fell asleep last night and didn't do the CAS 4 vs CAS 5 test. I will this evening when I get home from work today.Quote:
Originally Posted by ci2kla
Very interesting results from the Maximus II formula. I also am running GMH/GKX chips, so I should get the same result as you. CAS 4 should definitely be markedly better than CAS 5 at the same speed/FSB and if it's not, it is very concerning, and indicates a major issue.
yeah definitely...and here's the test result on M2FQuote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
And thanks for helping me test the CAS4 / CAS5 difference...
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p...sw/p451200.png
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p.../p451200-2.png
Problems with D9GMH ram on Asus P5QDeluxe:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ci2kla
I hope not, gonna switch out my mobo to a P5Q-D soon. Hope my TeamExtreme runs well:rolleyes:
Good luck talking to the crack smoking mods on the Asus forums:D
I have the same issues, CAS 4 gives barely any gain over CAS 5 at the same ram frequency and FSB. This is concerning.
DDR 1000, CAS 4, PL 10
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...dr1000cas4.jpg
DDR 1000, CAS 5, PL 10
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...dr1000cas5.jpg
The new 1306 bios also overvolts the ram. I have a 2x2gb corsair dominator 1066 that run prime stable at 1.98v.
How much does it overvolt? Got any measurements? Bios 1201 for me overvolts from bios set 0.01v at idle, which increases to 0.02v over bios set under load.Quote:
Originally Posted by mathewgx
Well finally not only me have this problem so I guess my motherboard isn't faulty but maybe the BIOS...Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Another friend of mine tried on BIOSTAR TP I45 and the normal result should look like....(He's using D9GMH also)
http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/m...C4JPGthumb.jpg
http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/m...c5JPGthumb.jpg
How much of a gain do guys expect going from Cas 5 to Cas4? :confused:
edit: just saw this post above, something must be fishy about the p5Q...
That's more of an expected gain. His result at 580 FSB 4-4-4-10 has a low copy score, here's my board at 571 FSB, DDR 1142 5-5-5-15 :Quote:
Originally Posted by ci2kla
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...571fsbcopy.jpg
Yes true that's another issue for TP I45: low copy bandwidth score. I asked him why but he said he had no clue. So in conclusion the CAS4/5 issue is really a problem isn't it?.......Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
I would love to see the memset too on the biostar plz ? wanna know the settings the board sets.. secondly the biostar seems to be underperforming he runs 500mhz more on the CPU and lower latency yet it just tops the P5 Dlx with slower CPU speed and higher latency...
Maybe the C5 is not working well on biostar...I always thought on Intel chipsets ram speed is more important then low latencies...
Did a C4/5 run on mine all the same settings : (difference is very small)
http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/C4C5.JPG
I'll launch a topic to see if other intel boards (P45 or not behave in the same manner)
Yes, that is strangely low performance for the clocks/timings he's running, I would also like to see the memset of the biostar board if possible.
**UPDATE** - using the 1306 bios, I rechecked my ram voltages, low and behold, they are again different. Now, real voltage undervolts bios set value by 0.02v, such that:
Bios---------Real
2.14---------2.12v
2.16---------2.14v
2.18---------2.16v
2.20---------2.18v
2.22---------2.20v
2.24---------2.22v
2.26---------2.24v
2.28---------2.26v
I haven't gone higher than 2.28v bios but I assume it behaves the same way all the way up. I guess like before, this may not be the same on everyone's boards, so you'd have to measure and make sure. Also, the real vdimm doesn't change under load as it did on earlier bioses, it just stays stable.
Added a thread to see how other Intel chipset users are influenced by lower latencies... :
Link here : Latency Poll
Good idea, I'll post in that in a sec after I redo a run and include memset in the screenie. I'm interested to see what the results show, especially concerning the P45 chipset.
Just pulled this run off on the latest bios, there's more left in the ram, this was at 2.26v (real):
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...s4226vreal.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...vrealspi1M.jpg
1306 changes ?
No extra options, perhaps a slight bandwidth increase at the same memory settings (reported by martin v.r) and for me, the vdimm has changed as per my post a couple of posts above this one.
On my P5Q DLX on Bios 1306
Memory Volts in Bios = 1.96 and when booted to windows i rechecked at ILDE and it is 2.02 . just like 1201 bios was.
NB 1.26 in Bios and Idle in windows = 1.30 .. just like 1201 Bios was.
Now i am thinking that ppls mobo's will differ even though its the same MODEL... No i also have LLC enabled .. like always.
Yeah, i thought as much, everyone was getting different voltages before, I didn't think it was going to be any different with this bios.
I get 0.01v overvolt with my vNB so 1.26v bios = 1.27v idle/load (real). It really is very strange, and IMHO it calls into question the manufacturing quality of the boards. They should not vary so greatly at all.
Now i am also using 8 pin connector not 4 pin .. not 2 x 4 pin .... but am using the 8 pin connector thats on my PSU . not a 4 pin molex/8 pin.. but the Inline soldered one that is part of the PSU.
Maybe that makes a difference or not. but let me know what your using.
I'm using, and have always used, the 8 pin connector. I think there must be differences in various components of the boards PWM circuitry that result in different voltages for each board.
CryptiK, correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that with the 1306 bios you voltages are diferent from the previous bios ?
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Ok guys i have had a bit of an issue lately ... yesterday and today .... i will try and describe what it is and what i have done.
Ok i figured i try out linpack 1.5.1 which has the 1.4 binaries which i have passed 1.4 many of the times np's max memory used 5-10 loops.
Well i tried it out and got the dreaded BSOD 0x00000024 error again and reboot one on third loop and numbers not even, i figured like last time i need to maybe up PPL and NB one notch and that did not work as the 0x00000024 was again there.
Then i tried lowering memory volts from 1.96 to 1.90 and left PPL at what i usully ran at 1.56 PPL and 1.26 NB... and samething BSOD 0x00000024 and reboot on third loop and the numbers were not even.
So i was left scatching my head and thing what can it be this time.
Well i figured i would go and try out 1.4 linpack again and POOF BSOD 0x00000024 after second test and rebooted, plus numbers not even.
So i am like WTF?
So i figured i try upping the SB and PCI-E volts one notch = 1.20 SB and 1.60 PCI-E and leave all other settings to my normal settings .. except those two.
Well loaded up 1.4 linpack and the BSOD 0x00000024 was again there and rebooted after second test and again numbers were not even.
So i was peed off and thinking maybe mobo, maybe memory, maybe CPU ... and i tested last night with memtest86+ v2.01 for 4 1/2 complete passes = 3 hours on memory at all my usual settings in Bios and NO ERRORS.
So i am again like ok WTF?
So last night i figured i do a fresh install of Vista 64-bit and all updates and SP1 again, maybe OS issue corruption.. ?
But again BSOD on linpack 1.4 0x00000024 and i am WTF again.
So today about 20 min ago decided Reluctantly to down clock to 3.4 ghz 8 x 423 = 847 on memory instead of my usuall 3.6ghz 8 x 450 = 921 mhz on memory. ( I KEPT ALL VOLTS AND SETTINGS THE SAME AS MY USUAL SETTINGS, JUST LOWERED FSB AND MEMORY)
And yep you guessed it linpack 1.4 passed NP's 5 loops at max memory used like i always use that setting.
So my question are/is ====
Is it CPU degration = i only had it for about what 3 weeks brand new?
Is it Mobo Controller = maybe it Fked?
Is it my memory Modules = Possibly it can't run any more at 921 mhz????
So the morale of this story is linpack 1.4 passed Np's before at 3.6ghz and 921 mhz on memory and several times i tested 5-10 loops for 3-4 days in a row = about 5 times each day for testing and NP's at all.
Before anyone asks .. I was using Bios 1201 for several days and linpack pass NP's until yesterday when the issue started to arise (as i wanted to try linpack 1.5.1) and i figured maybe BIOS no good anymore so i figured i try Bios 1306 out last night and as you can see same Issues. I am still on 1306 bios and at 3.4ghz for now.
An honest opinion : forget about Linpack, the older version worked fine here, the latest build just does nothing, doesn't budge, sometimes it reboots my pc... is my pc less stable maybe ? it's rocksolid stable for 24/7 folding, gaming etc... I don't care about the new linpack as it tortures ya hardware way even more any other test or program will ever do... and even harder than it's predecessors...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
I think the linpack program is the issue here... as it strains even more ya hardware than the older versions... when is enough enough ? :shrug:
Leeghoofd thats what i was thinking, but the fact that it stressed it so much may have caused my CPU or Memory or Mobo to degrade the 3.6ghz linpack 1.4 stable as it passed it before several times no issues.
So did linpack harm my RIG at 3.6ghz serveral passes?
Thats what i am now scared it may have done and if so then linpack can kiss my royal arse as it is amde to destroy systems not make them happier.. so i am 3.4ghz for now and i am not sure if i want to go to 3.6ghz as if it is unstable in folding and such (which i got to test all over again at 3.6ghz then i will be pissed off for sure) and i will never recommed linpack again if it has harmed my componets.
So maybe in a day or so i will go back to 3.6ghz as i have a new HD coming a 640GB Seagate and i will be doing fresh install all over again for it and so on and i will then figure out what i will do then for ghz and such.
Is 0803 bios the best for you? as you have same memory as me, maybe it is Bios issues after all 1201 and 1306 . maybe even though 1201 passed linpack all those times, maybe the bios became fudged and 1306 has the fudge in it as well.. ???
I am guessing is all and time will tell now.
Maybe i will stick to Orthos 12 hours as i never had issues afterwards when do Orthos 12 hours.???
thats not untypical of these boards so dont take it personally, weve all been there (or will be there) :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastNotro
these boards are quirky, dont expect to run redline 24/7, back it off a bit. (5fsb or so)
to get some "quick" stability results i usualy run Prime95 (blend) since it can crash my rig rather easily and quickly if unstable.
Memtest86+ will pass unstable speeds as much as 10fsb beyond actual stability. test#7 is usually the killer, so loop test#7 :up: