what are you on drugs or something lol i don't have rights to see them lol and who is going to buy that crap journalists ? what was the point of that you won't believe your eyes crap to show the worldthat they can do 6 monitor thing meh :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
good point but bashing because no benches isnt really neededQuote:
Originally Posted by Hell Hound
are you 12yrs old or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by eric66
Wow, oh nos, the journalists are actually keeping with the NDA??? What has this world come to?? :rolleyes:
Anyways, isn't the SF event still to come? And that one people can actually talk about their hands on experience playing
Anandtech has a nice little preview of Eyefinity here: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3635
Interesting stuff awaits in the future....
Edit: Olivon you beat me to it by a minute!
Wow dude, that's a horrible attitude. There are plenty of people that would like to use 3+ monitors in games. I was researching using 3 monitors in games months before any hint or rumor suggested it was possible in this next generation. It would be incredibly useful in games where you could fully configure the HUD. Moving less critical information to the side screens so it's there but not directly in your view would be great.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Your posts in the recent 58xx threads have been disgraceful. You have crapped all over any new feature or positive rumor relating to these cards. Now we have waited all this time and, disappointingly, all we have reliably heard so far today is about multi-monitor support, but you have to crap on that feature too. If you don't want to use a feature, fine. But don't pretend that nobody else will. I for one hope that NV improves its multi-monitor support as well so if I get a 3 monitor setup I will still have a choice of GPUs.
Yea. I gave up having high expectations for soon to be released graphics cards because they rarely, if ever, perform as fast as all the so called "insiders" claim for months on end.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
And after seeing these preliminary results from ATi's latest offering... i'll definitely hang onto my money until I see what nVidia is going to bring to the table.
well unless there is full monitor that can support that resolution i say tehre is no point for it at all all those 6 monitors are distracting its not full monitor and u miss some of image in the scene w/e i am hugely dissapointedQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...03831_eye3.jpg
Notice the placard says, "Ati Eyefinty" Supposedly 4 5870 six's in CFX. 24 LCDs... WTF.
http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/showpo...postcount=8715
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=2505Quote:
Eyefinity + Homecinema HD projectors calibrated to take account of perspective etc.
Win?
So it seems new AMD GPUs have already crushed NVIDIA
I'd like to see those preliminary results then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
As a sim racer and fly simmer i m pleased with ATi.Id like Nv to do the same!Having more options would be nice.
Right now 3 screens,a high end card and Th2go (withthe limitation of 3 identical screens up to 22'') or 2 cards (one powerfull and one low end) for SoftTH with 3 screens (not identical and without any resolution restriction) costs a lot of money.
With ATI this can change:only one card (although it costs) and 3 screens.
If u ever use a triple screen setup u ll be suprised of how u dont even see the gap after a while.Not to mention the great immersion provided.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
For a sim racer the triple screens thing is the ulltimate immersion tool!And having 6 of them?You could set them in a circle for 360 vision:shocked:!
Well, it's not only the perf, they even wildly speculate what will be disclosed in events and then blame the manufs for their own stupidity once they don't get what they wan't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
I think it would be amazing if someone could create displays that were alot more seamless. The edges kill multidisplays for me :-/ But very cool stuff!
Really? That was the main thing that kept me from digging more into this subject. I was always concerned about the thick corners of the monitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by sosna
Read the anandtech article...
Monitor makers are already taking notice and they put up a render of one with smaller bezels and no LED lights to distract the user
this is an incredible feature, but is looking to be more of shock value rather than practical use. my opinion is super high resolutions like this are not needed with good AA (and it will probably run better)
i would like to see someone try a placebo test with a few projectors, one to show off 3x 1080p and one to show a wide 1080p with high AA and see if they can tell the difference due to how far away things are.
a good sign this takes off is if we see monitors with 1mm bezels.
Did Nvidia have a press conference today too?
there not trying to do that though whats the point of one screen havign uber high res, people there targeting dont care about that they want to be "in" the game and having 3 screens giving them a massive field of view is what there after, its pretty much aimed at people playing simulation games... nothing to do with how pretty it looks (go look in the thread in pc gaming about flight sims then you will understand why people ati are targeting will love it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Probably. The question is, did anyone care? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by corey
as i said before in other thread, this is just to get nvidia off guard againQuote:
AMD's new Radeon HD 5800 series will bring between 25-40% better performance than current generation, depending on games and application.
It will be interesting to see how the x2 scales considering how the 'dual core' works in the single 5870.
Lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
I'm not overly concerned about the gaps between monitors as long as they can be minimized as much as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
Most programs that you'd want to play on multiple screens (3x.... since 6x would be insanely expensive) tend to be flight simulators and driving games. That being the case, I doubt many of you guys have driven a car or piloted a small aircraft in which the vehicle did not have support pillars like the A-Pillars in a car on either side of the windshield. Setting up the screens so the gaps are where you'd normally have these supports would make these gaps something you'd really not pay much attention to.
edit: well... now that i think about it, this wouldn't much apply to flight sims nearly as much. While the first two 2 seat trainers I flew (A Cessna 152 and Cessna Skycatcher) had an upper fixed wing which kept the :banana::banana::banana::banana:pit rather car-like. Now the single engine 2-seater LSA (light sport aircraft) that I got to fly after I got my license was a completely different world. Nothing like a bubble canopy. :)
I think that display manufacturers love AMD very much at this moment! In ever declining prices of monitors only way for them to improve business is to sell more monitors, and this is excellent reason!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
Imagine gaming caffes, or tradeshows... or... don't know you gave suggestion... you can run six HD displays on a singe ~300 USD card!!!
Oh please, don't let it be the EyeInfinity AMD is touting when they said "You won't believe your eyes."http://www.operationsports.com/forum...mlins/y220.gif
Because it seems there's more of the EI shown rather than some performance of the card. Is there something worth keeping at all?:confused:
BTW, some ppl are talking about Crysis on 5870 here(1st post), Chiphell, Translated.
I can't read Chinese nor fully trust Google's translation. So, was that a simulated perf.?:shrug:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
It's 4 of these:
http://www.pcper.com/images/news/demo01.jpg
like this... LOL
http://www.pcper.com/images/news/demo05.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/skvideo/2280/13.jpg
@labs23
Crysis was a real run on win7, phII, and an OC'd 58701GB, but there is nothing to compare it to, and no specifics as to which map, etc.
One card can play crysis at 24 megapixels... WHAT!?!
They must have CrossFired OCed 5870s to make that happen O_O
I can't understand why you are bad mouthing this? I'm really getting excited about this, I've been waiting to buy my first LCD but now I'm more into getting three (one expensive and two cheaper), it would really be insane. Maybe even getting a second 5870 to get some decent fps... Finally I can start driving racing sims again, now the FOV is improved at least. The "only" thing missing is a G-force chair...Quote:
Originally Posted by labs23
+1!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
Too bad probably no 5870 reference cards will come with 6 display outputs. It'll be up to manufacturers to include that IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnTA9CMTShIQuote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
the gap is there but after a while u dont even notice.:yepp:
Certainly got nothing bad about EI, its an added bonus from AMD that will surely benefit many ppl in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
I just hope they devote equal attention bet. features and performance. No one would want a "up the specs. a bit, add a new feature, and call it DX11":D scenario right?
I'd like to see grid on those panels :D
I think this is grid, but it's only 6 lcds:
http://i25.tinypic.com/v4pdp4.jpg
“Samsung has worked tirelessly to give consumers high-quality monitors that deliver both superb image quality and amazing design and ergonomics, and with our latest line of ultra-thin bezel displays, we’re bringing the best of both worlds to bear for a phenomenal computing experience using PCs with ATI Eyefinity technology,” said Young Bae, Director of Display Product Marketing for Samsung Electronics America, Information Technology Division. “Samsung’s ultra-thin bezel displays combined with ATI Eyefinity technology gives PC users a virtually seamless canvas on which to enjoy the latest games, entertainment and productivity applications.”
We'll be able to get some sweet monitors for this setup. With some good wall mounts I hope
Well, are you seriously doubting that Evergreen won't be DX11 compliant? I think the rumoured specs look very good - a doubling of RV770 in pure numbers and maybe even added performance per shader. So performance doesn't seem to a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by labs23
Add to that DXCS and tesselation I believe this is a generation that can last a long time. I was waiting for these cards but couldn't resist buying a 4850 at 100$ a year ago... And I'm not the least unimpressed yet.
24 projectors with edge blending on 300" projection screen>thats what I want :)
http://www.scalabledisplay.com/produ...yblend/classic
i think theres a few things to correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
to get into a game, a large screen with AA will be good enough compared to multiple screens, all though for some extreme people it will be worth it to buy 3/5/6 monitors. i just got a 40" tv thats 1080p and i might try and place it on my desk and use as a monitor for a week and see how i like it.
and its way better for some games other than flight sims. MMOs love more real estate, FPS like the wide view. RTS love more pixels (wide and tall), action games probably not so much, since they are usually over the shoulder with the camera way back, and for racing, i would honestly have larger over more, since the closer you get to making your perspective closer to life, the easier it is to determine speed and distance. (and this is also where i would love to see higher framerates, 240FPS in a racing game will in my opinion be more important than getting better graphics)
Hmm, if they go with that 45 degrees angled die again, I hope it won't make present third party coolers incompatible.
lol Fallout 2 is on that list, thats gonna look really interstingQuote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrometheusCon
i kinda feel the same - i'd like to play oblivion on more than one screen (4 :D ) but i'd need an edgeless display first
I seen someone post this who apparently went to the event:
http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...3Doff%26sa%3DGQuote:
AMD says that their next-gen GPU will 250% faster than the one introduced in Jul of 2008
250%? Of the 4870?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiki
Well, with 1600 shaders (double of the 4870) and faster memory at the clockspeed of the 4890 then yeah, 250% of the 4870 seams feasible.
Twice as fast and then a bit ..matches the leaked specs
what if they were to use some kind of reflection or refraction to get a .5mm bezel. we just saw samsung is working on making monitors for eyevision, but will it just be thin black strips, or are they trying some optical tricks to make it really look just like one screen
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Confirmed now, AMD indeed stated this:
http://209.85.229.132/translate_c?hl...Jw3_Dzjn9VWg0wQuote:
1:46
AMD says that their next-gen GPU will 250% faster than the one introduced in Jul of 2008. That is going by raw TFLOPS
So it seems the 24-40% increase in performance rumour is completely faked or it is referring to being faster than the 4870x2/295
DAAAAAAMN ...this card is gunna be FAST
I hope that is true
lol the guy on right corner looks like me :ROTF: seriously where is da performanceeeeeeeeeeEEE :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
:yepp: :shock2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
ATI said it - 2.5 times the computational power.Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
That's nearly 3 teraflops of brute power alone
If it has 2.5 the specs of a 4870 then it's about 25% more powerful than the 4870x2
Since the rumour said it has a 25-40% increase over the previous generation then it ties in perfectly with the 4870x2 comparison.
Put simply, this card should be as powerful as the GTX295 and then some ...with none of the scaling hangups.
Hopefully if everything ties in to what this post says ...then I think we've met the new 8800Ultra - a card that will play anything maxed for a few years.
It's nice to see a /b/rother!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Where do you get 24 mp? i only see 12,4 Mp ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
Also i guess the 14 monitors are for quadfire (4 cards with 6 displays each).
Its a nice "to have" feature, but seriously who gona spend that much money on monitors?
My monitor was 500€ and is only a MVA Panels (Lenovo L220x), and my next monitor will defenitly will be a a IPS panel (of theres no better alternative) and that one costs ~700€ a piece (NEC 2490WUXi²).
Only two of those will be 1400€--- and six gona cost 4200€ :shocked:
Thats 3 times more then the costs of my pc... :yepp:
And people buying cheap TN panles ... enjoy your colors... :rofl:
Well judging by what resolution they used for those games on 6 LCDs, I think it's pretty obvious that performance is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
3 30" at max res = 12mp, 6 30" at max = 24mp, btw ati claims 268mp possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
4 cards x 6 outputs each = 24 possible monitors, not 14 :p:
There be more options now when the tech is on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
one option I think of os to get cheap TN Panels for sidewiev and use the better one in the middle.
Interesting times tho for gaming.
Now, where is the card so i can buy it ;)
Next monitor thing for me from my 200$ 1920x1200 24" TN panel is a 20" oled 1920x1200
Would be awesome, but I want performance numbers...not just for the 5xxx series, but for the gt3xx series as well.
I thought nVidia had an event of their own. No one seems to care.. but I tried to look it up..
All I found was that they're gonna rebrand G210 to GT310, GT220 to GT320 and GT240 to GT330..
Nothing about GTX380 or GTX360.. seems like they're really into rebranding old stuff..
WTF
They're like recycle company now ..
ZZZZZZzZZzZZZ
a little 24-monitor quadfire QUAKE III Arena action:
http://www.ultrashock.com/images/v1/...ltimonitor.jpg
Look at that railgun shot flying past your head with a 180 degree POV! this multi-monitor setup thing is really interesting, but i have to admit i was hoping to see some benchmarks and specs today....
bah
lol wut?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
specs are out..
and this might give u an idea about the benchmarks, though the HD5870 is overclocked:
http://translate.google.nl/translate...a%3Dpage%253D1
Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
You are confusing the ability to see more content from the same image (what you originaly stated) with the screen resolution and size,so if you have let's say 5 soldiers on screen with a 65 fov you would see 3 soldiers @ 1280x800 and the same number @1920x1200 (only more detailed),but if you increase the fov to 80 you would see all 5 soldiers at both resolutions only more far away atleast that's my experience with de COD2/4 engine.
Now some sim games have fov scaling according to resolution (most by format wide vs. non-wide) and you actually see more content on multiple monitors,but that's fov and not resolution,I have seen a lot of people on wide screen gaming forums,modifying the game's ini. for a bigger FOV so that they can enjoy their triple monitor set-up.
Feel free to correct me though...
As for the 6 monitor set-up,it looks nice but even with Samsung's thin bezel LCD's the bezel is still very annoying.
Hell yeah. A few years ago at the E3 Convention the U.S. Military had a "Tent" setup with a full 300' surround screen playing their own custom version of America's Army. The setup also included a real Army H1 Hummer on pneumatic actuators that "players" rode in while using either an M4 Carbine, Browning .50cal machine gun, or you could be the driver (armed as well). The weapons actually had a (less than accurate) recoil system, making the firearm kick when fired, and the whole hummer moved all around like you were on some sh*tty road in Baghdad. Definitely good times.Quote:
Originally Posted by evian_26
Edit: This was a pretty sweet 20m diameter 360' screen they had there.
http://www.kalionzes.net/e3_2005/ima...g_0142_jpg.jpg
those numbers are theoretical. dont get your hopes that high to see them get broken. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
That's true. And those hoping that it will only be 25-40% more then a 4870 are going to be disappointed too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
That's why we need actual benchmarks so we can see the reality rather then the rumor. I'm quite disappointed in AMD that they decided not to show benchmarks today.
^ Even if it is a little over/under those estimates, it's still definitely the new 8800utra / 9700pro.
please point me towards anything other than unconfirmed guesswork;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bladerash
no bench mark on games :shrug:
lol i couldnt notice the difference side by side with my dad ips panel 22" and my tn samsung 22" :confused: just his had better view angles, but im just sat infron of my monitor all the time so its fine :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
No, it won't DEFINITELY be anything until we get the cards in our hands and get to experiment for ourselves. It is PROBABLY good if these rumors turn out to be true, but rumors are no guarantee of greatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
So you're saying that a card (taking flagship from the 4890) with nearly 3 teraflops processing power isn't going to be as fast as a 4890Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
..yeah :rofl:
playable fps in Dirt 2 at massive resolutions with all the details on is proof alone that there's no slouch here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
I love marketing :P
250% hehe...
some possible multi screen configs:
http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/skvideo/2280/1.jpg
According to Hardocp's Eyefinity aritcle, they will be revealing specs & benches tomorrow night.
If anythong you should use the TNs in front few, since the have no color degration when views frontal.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
But mixing panels is a pain in the arse, different gray to gray switchtimes, and different latencies (which the gfx can do nothing about).
If you want so much monitors, they have to be from the same type. Especial for gaming. Where latencies are critical.
You know what really makes me tingle? The moment Nvidia shows up with their $400+ cards, ATi will be dropping the 5870 to $299-350, and even lower as time goes by. Talk about getting bang for buck. A card as fast ( Or faster ) than the GTX295, for half the price, with MORE features.
I'm not sure how Nvidia is going to top this. I highly doubt Nvidia's next-gen GTX380 is going to be more than 2x the performance of the GTX280. I just can't see it since they use such large chips. Going by rumoured specs, it looks like they're sticking with their large chips.
Either way, this generation, we CUSTOMERS win! It's going to be a great gaming year this time around fellas.
Me too. I was a marketer during Uni.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
There's marketing and there's stating specs.
One thing you learn early on is that black hat marketing doesn't fly in the courtroom.
It's simple logical deduction.
RV870 is based on the RV770 after all. High clockspeeds, more refined AA handling, 1600 shaders ....yeah
one Q.. 2gb 5870 available @ launch ??
Quote:
Originally Posted by bladerash
OMG its true , 5870 shreds a GTX 295 O.O for 400 $
:clap:
Of course I'm not foolish enough to believe that ATI would release a nextgen card with such low performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
But I can pretty much guarantee that there are people out there that saw the nordichardware article, thought "only 40% more then a 4870/90?" (even though that's not exactly what it said), and then felt a warming in their heart.
Oh, I thought you meant less performance than 25-40% but you meant nvidia fanboys hoping for that case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
I stand corrected :up:
It'll be a breath of fresh air to see the nvidiots cowering under the mud slinging from the ati-fanboys. I almost look forward to complete personality reversals as staunch defenders of the GT200 cower with their excuses of ... price/performance?
These cards will last 4 years perfectely fine. If a 8800 GTX is still serving me well, imagine how these cards will do in years to come. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by cegras
I guess we'll really know for sure pretty soon who actually likes ATI and who just loves rooting for the underdog.
I though they said 2.5 TFlops which is more like 220% or a little bit faster than my 4870x2. But double shaders at 4890 frequencies means 4890CF performance. Anyway, we'll see when the performance numbers come tomorrow :crosses fingers and toes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
It would have been nice if they had fraps running in the HAWX video, 4870x2 plays that really well. It looked fluid but without knowing their settings it's hard to guess at performance levels.
Awesome tech demo:eek2:
If we're taking sides here then I'll confess to owning a first gen 64MB Radeon ViVo, X800XL, 2 2900XT 512MBs, 2900XT 1GB DDR4, 4870 512, 4670 512MB & 4870x2 (triple slot monster variant) and only one high end nVidia: 8800GTS 512MB (before it got shrunk, renamed, twice and still didn't come close to my clocks). I liked the 8800GTS but I bought it because I couldn't get 2x3850 512MB at the time and killed it just before the 4870 came out. So you could probably say I actually like ATi, at a pinch.
EDIT: Rumours - for comparision
HD 5870 :
• 850MHz/1200MHz
• Idle: 26 watts
• Peak: 190 watts
• Price: 1GB $349/2GB $399
• September 22-24
HD 5850 :
• 700MHz/1000MHz
• Price: 1GB $299
• September 22-24
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread...49120&page=103Quote:
Originally Posted by Fusion
Yes, these are 9800GTX+ cards, but they share the same intake as the GTX280Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
You mean centrifugal right, cause your wrong on both accounts, they both share a centrifugal blower design of radial type :rofl: time for some experiments i think :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon
So it is double a RV770!Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
Bring on the benchmarks.
I have a feeling Nvidia will expand on their exclusive feature push for the 300 series. In other words, we will see significant % of silicon specifically designed for non gaming type applications (not sure exactly what they will be bringing new to the table) and of course will continue to push PhysX, 3D gaming etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n
As for gaming performance, Nvidia is limited by TSMC just as AMD is on how many transistors they can pack into one die. Will Nvidia go for an insane transistor count, yields and cost be damned? I honestly don't know.
So it's a 4870x2 on a single die? with about 20% more speed on the Core?Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by crystogod
Rumours:
HD 5870 :
• 850MHz/1200MHz
• Idle: 26 watts
• Peak: 190 watts
• Price: 1GB $349/2GB $399
• September 22-24
HD 5850 :
• 700MHz/1000MHz
• Price: 1GB $299
• September 22-24
yay!!! ill definitely get a 5870 :toast:
I thought a 4870x2 was 2 x RV770, which is what seems the specs are on the 5870? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by eleeter
Do you think 2GB would be a worthy investment over 1GB at 1920x1080 resolution?
If you running max eye candy, AA & AF it would help out.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
In a very general sense yes, your statement would be correct. But the 5870 is not two 4870s glued together, or a side by side MCM design, or anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by crystogod
Depends on if you like unnecessarilyy high texture settings like large view distances, custom texture-mods, increased texture-paks, and super stupid AA levels on stuff like crysis, GTAIV, ARMA & clearsky. IMO it will be hard to push the Vmem over 1024mb, I saw a review do it using gtaiv and large view distances, and with crysis custom texture mods...2GB only good for uber elite users, or those who want to keep using their 5870 well into future games with higher requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
Noo lol i must of made myself unclear, the power in the of the 4870x2 is found in the single core (die) of the 5870 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eleeter
Ah okay. At least a 4870x2 without the limitations of Crossfire, plus other enhancements, DX11, and I'm sure a bunch of smaller stuff we don't know about yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by crystogod